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ozbob

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I have heard that NGRs 708 and 710 713 will be available for service from Monday 8th Jan 2018 too.
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6th January 2018

Re: Please explain?

Good Morning,

Nothing from our Transport bureaucracy to explain officially why the NGR trains have been moved to Redbank Workshops.  How much does the 24 hour 7 days a week security at Redbank to safeguard the NGR trains cost and who is responsible for that by the way?

Some ' insiders ' have confirmed on Facebook that the trains are there for storage ( not for scrap as some have suggested < this is what happens when the authorities leave an information vacuum).

We have been informed that more NGR trains will be moved to Redbank as well. Clearly the facilities at the Wulkuraka Maintenance Centre, we understand designed for 15 NGR trains, are overwhelmed.  We think there are around 24 NGR trains in SEQ at this point in time.  We understand two more NGR trains will be available for revenue service from Monday (8th January 2018) as well.  The slow acceptance of the NGR trains (still non DDA non DSAPT compliant by the way) raises doubts as to how many will be available for Commonwealth Games service.

Transparency and truth is a short commodity in Queensland transport circles sadly.

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Quote from: ozbob on January 05, 2018, 02:28:17 AM
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Please explain?

Good Morning,

NGR 720 was moved to Redbank Workshops yesterday we presume for storage.  This now means that 3 of the NGR trains are now stored at Redbank Workshops.  NGR 701, 702 and 720.


Photograph of the NGR trains at Redbank Workshops  4th January 2018  R. Dow

When NGRs 701 & 702 were moved to Redbank Workshops on the 22nd December 2017 we made a request for an explanation. None has been forthcoming.  We again request a clear detailed explanation as to why new trains are being moved to Redbank Workshops for storage.  Is there are problem with commissioning more NGRs into revenue service and the back log means no space left at the Wulkuraka Maintenance Centre?

To compound this situation we note yesterday multiple service cancellations and delays due to ' mechanical issues '.  It is difficult to have confidence that Queensland Rail will be able to deliver a reliable, let alone frequent rail service for the Commonwealth Games when there is this constant failure and impacts on service.

Yesterday afternoon for example these services were cancelled due to ' mechanical issues ':



Not a good look sadly.  The public has real concerns for our public transport network and with very good reason.

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As to the number of NGR trains required to service the Commonwealth Games, the Whole of Business Review of Queensland Rail, dated 2017 says:

"It is understood that 18 NGR trains are required to service the proposed Commonwealth Games timetable (we note that the timetable is still being agreed and this number may change). There is a tight commissioning schedule for NGR trains as two to three are planned to be commissioned every month. Due to the current blockages and high risk of 'juvenile failures', a conservative view would be that 18 NGR trains will not be ready by April 2018. Furthermore, a number of interviewees identified the risk that not enough train crew would be available to meet the proposed timetable."

The full report is available at the website of our friends at the Citytrain Response Unit.
https://www.cru.qld.gov.au/reports.html

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We have been informed that more NGR trains will be moved to Redbank as well. Clearly the facilities at the Wulkuraka Maintenance Centre, we understand designed for 15 NGR trains, are overwhelmed.  We think there are around 24 NGR trains in SEQ at this point in time.  We understand two more NGR trains will be available for revenue service from Monday (8th January 2018) as well.  The slow acceptance of the NGR trains (still non DDA non DSAPT compliant by the way) raises doubts as to how many will be available for Commonwealth Games service.

Wasn't the facility supposed to hold all NGRs?

So why are they at Redbank?

Redbank is a workshop, correct? Therefore perhaps some kind of modification is being conducted there.

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Redbank workshops is but a shell of its glory days
The NGRs are being stored there as no space at WMC. WMC was designed for 15 NGRs.  Wulkuraka Maintenance Centre is not really for stabling, but for servicing the trains and so forth.

You need to remember that NGRs were meant to be running revenue services from late 2016. And stabled at the new stabling yards etc. This logjam was not meant to occur but because of the myriad of issues has. Hence forced to use Redbank for non accepted NGRs.
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Quote from: ozbob on January 06, 2018, 04:33:25 AM
Redbank workshops is but a shell of its glory days
The NGRs are being stored there as no space at WMC. WMC was designed for 15 NGRs.

You need to remember that NGRs were meant to be running revenue services from late 2016. And stabled at the new stabling yards etc. This logjam was not meant to occur but because of the myriad of issues has. Hence forced to use Redbank for non accepted NGRs.
After overcrowded 3-car services were introduced in the Jan 2014 timetables, commuters were told by QR that the NGR would be running by late 2015! 4 years later, we still have these overcrowded 3-car services, apart from a Friday of course, when they've been axed.

ozbob

^ had forgotten about the 2015 committment.  Never was going to happen hey?
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Days since NGR 701 towed to Wulkuraka

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Stillwater

#2489
Maybe we should be grateful for the NGR trains actually being here, even if they are not in service.

This story comes from a UK site:

https://mediapenguin.wordpress.com/tag/neil-scales

You are a go-ahead, modern European city and a haven for tourists.  You want to create a world-class tram system to ferry about the new wave of tourists, particularly from China. You decide you want some transport experts at the top of their game to facilitate this exciting project. So you appoint Neil Scales as a non-executive director along with Peter Strachan – Neil's recently departed predecessor at the job he has just been appointed to in Queensland, Australia.  Oh dear, didn't quite work out as planned – the Edinburgh project has been engulfed in as many shenanigans as Scales' Merseytram project that failed having squandered £70m from the public purse. In the summer Scales and Strachan along with other directors resigned from Edinburgh's TIE trams scheme after costs rose from upto £200m to £776m.

When Merseytram  was scrapped by the government in 2005 it had cost £28m on consultants, £15m on utilities realignment and £17m on design and other costs. The auditor concluded this was due to 'weak management and leadership'.

Undeterred Merseytravel revived a new £450m scheme in 2008 only to be told the government was not going to fund it.  It should also be added that an original trolley-bus scheme also failed at a public inquiry in 1999. That's an impressive hat trick.

Some observers in Scotland say introducing trams on routes already well-served by public transport is simply a trophy or vanity project. Sound familiar?

You wonder where Neil got the time to participate in the Edinburgh scheme, having Merseytravel to run, being chairman of the UK Passenger Transport Group and president of the European Platform for Mobility Management.

Still, he's off to sunnier climes with a huge pay packet. And his chum Mr Strachan? Now boss of major transport projects for the Olympics after overseeing fare rises averaging 15% a year while in Australia.  Nice work, eh?

Inquiry

When things go wrong in Scotland, they have an open and accountable inquiry:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15516577.Edinburgh_Trams_Inquiry_hits_the_buffers___why_should_we_have_expected_anything_else_

And they have an inquiry web page:

http://www.edinburghtraminquiry.org

Meanwhile, at Merseytravel, and their trams project?

The Courier-Mail reported it here:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/new-acting-queensland-rail-chief-neil-scales-has-uk-track-record-of-high-expenditure/news-story/453fe1788c0cf0f066114aea395995b8
and said:

"Mr Scales was in charge at Merseytravel when millions of dollars in taxpayers' cash was wasted on failed projects and questionable spending. Four separate reviews dissected the spending, finding problems with transparency around decision making and "significant governance concerns".

When they stuff up in the UK, they appoint an auditor to get to the bottom of things, not in Queensland unfortunately.

The auditor who looked into the Merseytravel trams mess concluded this was due to 'weak management and leadership'.

Maybe information about the Edinburgh Trams and Merseytravel trams would make interesting reading for Queensland MPs associated with the Budget Estimates process.



JimmyP

Regarding 701 and 702, whats the big deal about them being stored out of the way for the time being?
They have been run in to the ground with testing (typical new type testing regime), why would you (as a company) focus on fixing up some very well worn trains ahead of trains that have had most of the issues resolved and will be able to get in to revenue service much sooner?
It's completely logical to get the first test units out of the way for a while if they're just taking up valuable space at Wulkuraka. Focus on getting trains out in service as fast as possible while the likely backlog overseas is delivered, then revisit them once things have settled down.
It's like in my industry (aviation), many testbed aircraft either don't end up in revenue service at all (becoming museum.pieces or stay as testbeds for other improvements) or are delivered later on once they've had a refresh/refurbishment (while other planes are delivered first).
I also doubt 720 will be there for overly long once a few more NGRs get accepted for service.

ozbob

No problem at all.  The issue is the lack of information from DTMR as to project status and why they were moved to Redbank.

It is not as though anyone will not notice them hey?

The sooner rail is removed from DTMR the better!

Thanks Stillwater for the reminder that failure begets failure ... ??? :P
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Quote from: BrizCommuter on January 06, 2018, 06:32:38 AM
Quote from: ozbob on January 06, 2018, 04:33:25 AM
Redbank workshops is but a shell of its glory days
The NGRs are being stored there as no space at WMC. WMC was designed for 15 NGRs.

You need to remember that NGRs were meant to be running revenue services from late 2016. And stabled at the new stabling yards etc. This logjam was not meant to occur but because of the myriad of issues has. Hence forced to use Redbank for non accepted NGRs.
After overcrowded 3-car services were introduced in the Jan 2014 timetables, commuters were told by QR that the NGR would be running by late 2015! 4 years later, we still have these overcrowded 3-car services, apart from a Friday of course, when they've been axed.

Ha.  Yesterday a 3 car turned up at Dakabin for the 7am UP, already full.  A person mentioned this on our FB and was immediately yelled at by a rail type " WE HAVE TOLD YOU THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH TRAINS "  as if the said person did not know ..

Righto then ...  :fp:
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As Ozbob has said issue isn't that scrapping or anything will occur its that we just are not told. The function of buying trains has to be to get them on the track as soon as possible right? We have to agree on that. We know there are issues with DDA compliance. But QR has ignored that and ran them anyway. So that is off the table for a reason there are so many sitting around. Yet there are still are lots sitting around (save a few that may be run into the ground etc but they are the minority). So the issue comes back to why is the testing taking so long? Is it cause of an issue or because of a artificial slow down due to staff not being available to run them once passed? Then you have the side issue of why if there is an issue slowing testing can't those sitting around waiting to be scheduled into that testing be retrofitted to pass DDA standards during this downtime?

All good questions and worthy of answers that are not forthcoming. That is the issue here. Transparency on stuff that happened 2 years ago is one thing transparency on what is happening in the hear and now seems to be another with this government,

Geoff         

Quote from: ozbob on January 06, 2018, 10:35:12 AM
Quote from: BrizCommuter on January 06, 2018, 06:32:38 AM
Quote from: ozbob on January 06, 2018, 04:33:25 AM
Redbank workshops is but a shell of its glory days
The NGRs are being stored there as no space at WMC. WMC was designed for 15 NGRs.

You need to remember that NGRs were meant to be running revenue services from late 2016. And stabled at the new stabling yards etc. This logjam was not meant to occur but because of the myriad of issues has. Hence forced to use Redbank for non accepted NGRs.
After overcrowded 3-car services were introduced in the Jan 2014 timetables, commuters were told by QR that the NGR would be running by late 2015! 4 years later, we still have these overcrowded 3-car services, apart from a Friday of course, when they've been axed.

Ha.  Yesterday a 3 car turned up at Dakabin for the 7am UP, already full.  A person mentioned this on our FB and was immediately yelled at by a rail type " WE HAVE TOLD YOU THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH TRAINS "  as if the said person did not know ..

Righto then ...  :fp:
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JimmyP

Quote from: ozbob on January 06, 2018, 10:33:09 AM
No problem at all.  The issue is the lack of information from DTMR as to project status and why they were moved to Redbank.

It is not as though anyone will not notice them hey?

The sooner rail is removed from DTMR the better!

Thanks Stillwater for the reminder that failure begets failure ... ??? :P

Well in reality, we don't need to know why they were moved, but logic dictates that they were moved there to get them out of the way until they have time to work with them later on.
These are prototype units that will need a lot of work to make right for service. And as far as I can tell with the PPP, until they have been accepted for service, the QLD taxpayer hasn't paid a cent towards them, so they are in effect still the property of Bombardier until they are accepted.

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These are prototype units that will need a lot of work to make right for service. And as far as I can tell with the PPP, until they have been accepted for service, the QLD taxpayer hasn't paid a cent towards them, so they are in effect still the property of Bombardier until they are accepted.

Maybe they will get repossessed for non-payment. That would be very interesting!!
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ozbob

Respectfully disagree JimmyP.  We do need to know as it is most unusual from the punter's perspective to see new trains moved and parked at Redbank.  I have had a number of queries from the public as to what is actually going on.  Be good to have the official account to tell them but we don't.  But transparency is not a strong point with this project.

Obviously with some ' advice ' we can deduce what the circumstances are but not everyone has that information.

Well at least two more NGRs available for service next week.
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Quote from: #Metro on January 06, 2018, 11:08:02 AM

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These are prototype units that will need a lot of work to make right for service. And as far as I can tell with the PPP, until they have been accepted for service, the QLD taxpayer hasn't paid a cent towards them, so they are in effect still the property of Bombardier until they are accepted.

Maybe they will get repossessed for non-payment. That would be very interesting!!

What happens if the AHRC turns down the temporary exemption application?

See you in the High Court I guess.

Hard to imagine a more botched project than this hey?   :P ::)
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ozbob

Thanks Geoff for your insights.  Be hard to find a member of the public (that is not rail industry)  that has had the in depth involvement with the NGR project than yourself.

How many hours of meetings, inspections and so forth?

Many I know.  Thanks for your efforts in trying to get this sorted.

Quote from: InclusionMoves on January 06, 2018, 10:48:47 AM
As Ozbob has said issue isn't that scrapping or anything will occur its that we just are not told. The function of buying trains has to be to get them on the track as soon as possible right? We have to agree on that. We know there are issues with DDA compliance. But QR has ignored that and ran them anyway. So that is off the table for a reason there are so many sitting around. Yet there are still are lots sitting around (save a few that may be run into the ground etc but they are the minority). So the issue comes back to why is the testing taking so long? Is it cause of an issue or because of a artificial slow down due to staff not being available to run them once passed? Then you have the side issue of why if there is an issue slowing testing can't those sitting around waiting to be scheduled into that testing be retrofitted to pass DDA standards during this downtime?

All good questions and worthy of answers that are not forthcoming. That is the issue here. Transparency on stuff that happened 2 years ago is one thing transparency on what is happening in the hear and now seems to be another with this government,

Geoff         

Quote from: ozbob on January 06, 2018, 10:35:12 AM
Quote from: BrizCommuter on January 06, 2018, 06:32:38 AM
Quote from: ozbob on January 06, 2018, 04:33:25 AM
Redbank workshops is but a shell of its glory days
The NGRs are being stored there as no space at WMC. WMC was designed for 15 NGRs.

You need to remember that NGRs were meant to be running revenue services from late 2016. And stabled at the new stabling yards etc. This logjam was not meant to occur but because of the myriad of issues has. Hence forced to use Redbank for non accepted NGRs.
After overcrowded 3-car services were introduced in the Jan 2014 timetables, commuters were told by QR that the NGR would be running by late 2015! 4 years later, we still have these overcrowded 3-car services, apart from a Friday of course, when they've been axed.

Ha.  Yesterday a 3 car turned up at Dakabin for the 7am UP, already full.  A person mentioned this on our FB and was immediately yelled at by a rail type " WE HAVE TOLD YOU THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH TRAINS "  as if the said person did not know ..

Righto then ...  :fp:
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As far as we can tell the state is actually in uncharted territory with respect to the DDA exemption issues. We can't find another example where the operator has seemingly admitted non compliance by feeling the need to apply for exemption and then ran that mode of transport anyway. So its a very messy situation what would happen if exemption goes through or doesn't go through either way. If it is accepted they still ran the trains non compliant for a period where complaints were made so those complaints would be dealt with as per the law of the time which would seem to say non compliant. If the exemption is not given then it would seem that the complaints already put through would sail through as upheld. This would then generally mean negotiated processes for making them compliant (sector would be in no mood for negotiation by this point). Assume also the state would appeal through court system as this would get EXTREMELY political by that point to be shown they were non compliant and they ran them and they had no grounds for exemption that is real nightmare stuff for the state. Or should be.

Geoff     

Quote from: ozbob on January 06, 2018, 11:10:53 AM
Quote from: #Metro on January 06, 2018, 11:08:02 AM

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These are prototype units that will need a lot of work to make right for service. And as far as I can tell with the PPP, until they have been accepted for service, the QLD taxpayer hasn't paid a cent towards them, so they are in effect still the property of Bombardier until they are accepted.

Maybe they will get repossessed for non-payment. That would be very interesting!!

What happens if the AHRC turns down the temporary exemption application?

See you in the High Court I guess.

Hard to imagine a more botched project than this hey?   :P ::)
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Stillwater

An interesting political situation also.  The seeds of this mess were sown by LNP when it signed off on non-compliant train designs.  However, operating non-compliant trains in revenue service (knowingly in breach of the DDA and DSAPT) is an all-Labor affair. Just imagine the finger-pointing in Parliament, back and forth from one side of the Chamber to the other.  The new Speaker, Mr Pitt, will have his work cut out for him.  Oh wait, he has his own problems.  Something about the Ethics Committee.  :frs:

InclusionMoves

Suggest he won't be the last visiting the inside of the Ethics Committee before this mess is over,

Geoff

Quote from: Stillwater on January 06, 2018, 12:20:54 PM
An interesting political situation also.  The seeds of this mess were sown by LNP when it signed off on non-compliant train designs.  However, operating non-compliant trains in revenue service (knowingly in breach of the DDA and DSAPT) is an all-Labor affair. Just imagine the finger-pointing in Parliament, back and forth from one side to the other.  The new Speaker, Mr Pitt, will have its work cut out for him.  Oh wait, he has his own problems.  Something about the Ethics Committee.  :frs:
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More LNP jumping onto the situation now https://twitter.com/JarrodBleijieMP/status/949455752833323008 Wish this much political capital went into resolving the actual problems.

Quote from: Stillwater on January 06, 2018, 12:20:54 PM
An interesting political situation also.  The seeds of this mess were sown by LNP when it signed off on non-compliant train designs.  However, operating non-compliant trains in revenue service (knowingly in breach of the DDA and DSAPT) is an all-Labor affair. Just imagine the finger-pointing in Parliament, back and forth from one side of the Chamber to the other.  The new Speaker, Mr Pitt, will have his work cut out for him.  Oh wait, he has his own problems.  Something about the Ethics Committee.  :frs:
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#Metro

QuoteRespectfully disagree JimmyP.  We do need to know as it is most unusual from the punter's perspective to see new trains moved and parked at Redbank.  I have had a number of queries from the public as to what is actually going on.  Be good to have the official account to tell them but we don't.  But transparency is not a strong point with this project.

Obviously with some ' advice ' we can deduce what the circumstances are but not everyone has that information.

Well at least two more NGRs available for service next week.

You will get more information out of a Clairvoyant and Tarot card reader than DTMR and QR.  :o
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As far as we can tell the state is actually in uncharted territory with respect to the DDA exemption issues. We can't find another example where the operator has seemingly admitted non compliance by feeling the need to apply for exemption and then ran that mode of transport anyway.

You can't put the Queensland Government in jail - it's not a natural person.

Whatever fine will be issued will just get paid by Treasury, so they don't care.

However, if a ban order of some kind / court injunction is issued to block the trains from running until they are compliant, that will have much

more impact politically and might finally go somewhere towards resolving this.

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ozbob

In the end DDA is the law.  I suspect the AHRC will not be too impressed with the reckless attitude of the State of Queensland however I am sure the application will be decided on its merits.  Personally, I think the best that the State of Queensland can expect is a temporary exemption but for a period less than 3 years. Possibly 12 to 18 months.  Depending on the counter arguments put to the granting of the exemption in the public submissions it is possible the AHRC could decline it.  In that case I would expect the State of Queensland to appeal.  Not sure what that process is but I reckon it could end up in the Australian High Court in the end.  I think the first port of call is the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.

The disability sector could also seek a review in the AAT if they are not happy with the AHRC determination too by the way.

More complicated than a double slip.

Pity the trains were not designed right at the outset hey?
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If they haven't been accepted, it would be Bombardier funds, not taxpayer funds, no?

ozbob

Quote from: JimmyP on January 07, 2018, 01:46:05 AM
If they haven't been accepted, it would be Bombardier funds, not taxpayer funds, no?

We expect that would be the case JimmyP but no clarification from above (yet).
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Tomorrow, 700 Series EMU 708 and 713 will enter revenue service, commencing from Varisty Lakes.

Five in service now!
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Quote from: MichaelJ on January 07, 2018, 04:58:46 AM
Tomorrow, 700 Series EMU 708 and 713 will enter revenue service, commencing from Varisty Lakes.

Five in service now!

Thanks.  I was told 708 and 710.  No matter ..
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Quote from: ozbob on January 07, 2018, 06:15:55 AM
Quote from: MichaelJ on January 07, 2018, 04:58:46 AM
Tomorrow, 700 Series EMU 708 and 713 will enter revenue service, commencing from Varisty Lakes.

Five in service now!

Thanks.  I was told 708 and 710.  No matter ..

That person was deliberately told incorrect unit numbers to see how far it would spread, I've been told.
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ozbob

LOL   Why don't they just publish a list of units in service, being accepted, put out to grass etc.

:bg:

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If what MJ has suggested above is true ( no reason to think otherwise ) then there must be a fair bit to hide if they are paranoid about unit numbers hey?

That's the message for me ..
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Stillwater

#2516
Geez, as if this whole mess isn't farcical enough, it has started to take on the dimensions of the plot to a John Le Carre spy novel.  What next?  Keep track on known dissidents via their Go-card registrations?

Let's not forget the bottom line here.  Faced with all the options for fixing the NGR train wreck, the two state government agencies involved, TMR and QR, chose to prevaricate, obfuscate and bluff for at least two years while they knew a problem existed.  The option they chose was to break the law (by running non-compliant NGR trains in service) in the run-up to the Commonwealth Games - thereby creating an 'artificial crisis' in an attempt to force the hand of the Australian Human Rights Commission to 'expedite' an exemption to breaking the law.

In true Queenslander style, the objective of having 75 modern trains in service, each equipped with toilets, has been abandoned in favour of one where approximately half the fleet will have toilets -- creating a problem when scheduling suburban (no-toilet) NGR trains and inter-urban (with toilet) NGR trains.  We're getting half of what was planned.

Whereas a centre-of-train service point for people with disabilities applies across the QR passenger train network currently (with the guard located at the centre of each train) that person will be located at the end of the train on NGR units, resulting in lesser, more unreliable service for people with disabilities, or mothers will prams etc.

And all the while, QR touts publicity nonsense:

"People with disabilities are entitled to the same rights, responsibilities and opportunities as other people. Queensland Rail understands the connective role it plays in peoples' lives and is committed to improving access to its passenger rail services.

"At Queensland Rail, we strive to promote accessibility for all members of the community. We do this by working with our customers to remove barriers and pioneer solutions that support inclusive communities.

"Where practicable, Queensland Rail has adopted the most up-to-date Australian Standards to provide a higher level of access than the minimum requirements. The up-to-date Australian Standards reflect improved application and understanding of the needs of customers with disabilities and this approach assists Queensland Rail in creating a more sustainable rail environment capable of responding to changing circumstances and local community needs."

It is the breathtaking hypocrisy of institutions we should respect that has me in dismal awe -- that they would want to trash their reputations like this. Wilfully and deliberately, and blatantly, and with determination. And shamefully.

The pattern of hyperbole and over-promise and under-delivery to customers and taxpayers has become the corporate hallmarks of TMR, QR and TransLink operations such that a fundamental shake-up of public transport corporate governance is necessary, and overdue.

ozbob

#2517
Getting harder to keep up with the intrigue and stealth with this project hey?   :P


"Chief, is it NGR 785 or NGR 666" "That is classified Max" "But I have a security clearance Chief" 
"Ok, Max (whispers) it is 6 6 6" "Oh fuk Chief"  :P


Good Morning ASIO  ;)

No doubt you are on to this terrible forum that dares to seek the truth!


Meanwhile NGR Timetable > https://translink.com.au/about-translink/projects-and-initiatives/new-generation-rollingstock/timetable
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" ... The pattern of hyperbole and over-promise and under-delivery to customers and taxpayers have become the corporate hallmarks of TMR, QR and TransLink operations such that a fundamental shake-up of public transport corporate governance is necessary, and overdue. ... "

+1  :-t
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Quote from: ozbob on January 07, 2018, 07:21:12 AM
If what MJ has suggested above is true ( no reason to think otherwise ) then there must be a fair bit to hide if they are paranoid about unit numbers hey?

That's the message for me ..

There's no paranoia, it's as simple as rail employees are sick of certain people flapping their gums when they're given info. This particular person has been told to shut their gob but clearly can't help but flap!

The fact EMU 710 has still been seen out on departmental trains should have rung bells for them.
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