New Generation Rollingstock

[HappyTrainGuy]

Both photos from the Petrie accident?

The last day EMU05 & EMU60 where separate trains.

EMU28 was a SPAD at Mayne back in 96. The EMU heading to Shorncliffe ran up the ass of the freighter and flipped onto its side.

^

" the seats are dreadful " 

The seats on Adelaide and Melbourne trains are hard too. That's how they are done nowadays.

Cost. They are cheap to make. Cheap to replace. Easy to clean.

[red dragin]

EMU28 was a SPAD at Mayne back in 96. The EMU heading to Shorncliffe ran up the ass of the freighter and flipped onto its side.

I remember seeing part of an EMU (may have been on TV not in person) being towed through Toombul once, would have been that set.

[kram0]

I do recall this accident, but not the specific details.Were there any casualties? Any news links around from the day?

[HappyTrainGuy]

No passenger injuries. The first and second carriage as well was closed off as was common practice at the time with late night services.

EMU28 was a SPAD at Mayne back in 96. The EMU heading to Shorncliffe ran up the ass of the freighter and flipped onto its side.

I remember seeing part of an EMU (may have been on TV not in person) being towed through Toombul once, would have been that set.

Or the Trinder Park derailment. It had a tarp chucked on it, bits cut off the side and then towed up north.

[JimmyP]

Seats are also the way they are for fire certofocation standards so the trains can go through CRR tunnel, I have heard.

[ozbob]

^

" the seats are dreadful " 

The seats on Adelaide and Melbourne trains are hard too. That's how they are done nowadays.

Seats are also the way they are for fire certofocation standards so the trains can go through CRR tunnel, I have heard.

Yo I know.  Remember I said there would be complaints re the seats a while ago?  It is the way of banana-land ...

[ozbob]

QR's "illegal" trains finally enter service!
https://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2017/12/qrs-illegal-ngr-trains-enter-service.html

Thanks.  Sent to all outlets & ...

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/940249548353519616

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Brisbane's New Generation Rollingstock hit another speed bump

Wendy Lovelace of Sinnamon Park is filing a disability discrimination complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission over inaccessible toilets and aisles on QR trains.

THE state's heavily delayed $4.4 billion New Generation Rollingstock project has hit another bump as the disability sector takes steps toward legal action over inaccessible new trains.

As Queensland Rail was busy with the belated start of the first of the troubled trains to hit the tracks yesterday, rail commuter Wendy Lovelace, 54, was filing a disability discrimination complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission over inaccessible toilets and aisles.

It came after the surprise announcement last week by QR that the trains would begin running, despite the new fleet not complying with legislation setting out disability access standards.

The decision to bring the trains into service pre-empted the hearing of an urgent application by the State Government with the commission for an exemption from the accessibility rules.

Ms Lovelace, who uses a wheelchair and regularly travels by train, said launching the trains before a decision by the Commission was a "disregard of the process."

"Being able to get around independently is important to me," the Sinnamon Park resident said.

"I think we are all concerned at the fact they have been able to do this before the exemption has even been considered, let alone granted."

QR has argued the trains must run in order to meet April's Commonwealth Games deadline.

But the discrimination complaint could lead to further delays if it hits the courts.

As previously revealed by The Courier-Mail, QR in September received legal advice it was at risk of court action, particularly injunctive proceedings, by running the non-compliant trains.

The State Government will spend $100 million progressively towards fixing the access issues.

QR will also have to hire extra staff to help people with disabilities board due to a mismatch between mid-platform accessibility points and the position of train guards on the last carriage.

But it has refused to say how many staff would be hired or what was the total estimated cost.

Rail Back on Track transport advocate Robert Dow has called for an inquiry into the project's botched delivery. He estimated the labour cost of hiring extra staff could be as high as $15 million a year across the network and said a permanent design solution was needed.


Administrator of Train Back On Track Robert Dow outside the Fortitude Valley Train Station. Picture: APP/Josh Woning

' Train ' is ' Back on Track ' just a small matter of a temporary exemption from the AHRC not achieved because DTMR is a sloppy outfit.  They had plenty of time to do proper process.  Arrogant and incompetent.  Time they are held to account for this massive botch!
And they will ...

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/940252756442411010

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

12th December 2017

' Brisbane's New Generation Rollingstock hit another speed bump '

Greetings,

What a sad outcome for Queensland Rail and the State of Queensland ( see below ).  No surprise as arrogance and incompetence has its due rewards.

You were advised that legal action was a possible outcome of not waiting for the proper process, and the protection of a temporary exemption from the AHRC.

There has been plenty of time for due process, but another bungle in a long list of bungles with this project is to be expected.

This is the rail fail state!

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Couriermail --> Brisbane's New Generation Rollingstock hit another speed bump

Wendy Lovelace of Sinnamon Park is filing a disability discrimination complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission over inaccessible toilets and aisles on QR trains.

THE state's heavily delayed $4.4 billion New Generation Rollingstock project has hit another bump as the disability sector takes steps toward legal action over inaccessible new trains.

As Queensland Rail was busy with the belated start of the first of the troubled trains to hit the tracks yesterday, rail commuter Wendy Lovelace, 54, was filing a disability discrimination complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission over inaccessible toilets and aisles.

It came after the surprise announcement last week by QR that the trains would begin running, despite the new fleet not complying with legislation setting out disability access standards.

The decision to bring the trains into service pre-empted the hearing of an urgent application by the State Government with the commission for an exemption from the accessibility rules.

Ms Lovelace, who uses a wheelchair and regularly travels by train, said launching the trains before a decision by the Commission was a "disregard of the process."

"Being able to get around independently is important to me," the Sinnamon Park resident said.

"I think we are all concerned at the fact they have been able to do this before the exemption has even been considered, let alone granted."

QR has argued the trains must run in order to meet April's Commonwealth Games deadline.

But the discrimination complaint could lead to further delays if it hits the courts.

As previously revealed by The Courier-Mail, QR in September received legal advice it was at risk of court action, particularly injunctive proceedings, by running the non-compliant trains.

The State Government will spend $100 million progressively towards fixing the access issues.

QR will also have to hire extra staff to help people with disabilities board due to a mismatch between mid-platform accessibility points and the position of train guards on the last carriage.

But it has refused to say how many staff would be hired or what was the total estimated cost.

Rail Back on Track transport advocate Robert Dow has called for an inquiry into the project's botched delivery. He estimated the labour cost of hiring extra staff could be as high as $15 million a year across the network and said a permanent design solution was needed.


Administrator of Train Back On Track Robert Dow outside the Fortitude Valley Train Station. Picture: APP/Josh Woning

' Train ' is ' Back on Track ' just a small matter of a temporary exemption from the AHRC not achieved because DTMR is a sloppy outfit.  They had plenty of time to do proper process.  Arrogant and incompetent.  Time they are held to account for this massive botch!
And they will ...

[ozbob]

Correct actions from here. 

It is not too late to save Queensland Rail and the Commonwealth Games public transport.

1. Cease operation of the non compliant NGR trains today.

2. Apologise to the Australian Human Rights Commission and the Disability Sector for ' jumping the gun '.

3. Respectfully request of the AHRC a fast track for the temporary exemption application.

4. Develop a mature rectification plan for make the NGRs compliant as best can be achieved.

5. Bring on a Commission of Inquiry into all aspects of the NGR project.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/940266615282606080

[ozbob]

Noted a down wrapped NGR at Goodna ~ 4.50am this morning.

[SurfRail]

I'm sitting in one right now.  Nothing wrong with the seats.

[ozbob]

I'm sitting in one right now.  Nothing wrong with the seats.

I like the harder seats too.

[ozbob]

ABC News >> http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/abc-news-qld/NN1704Q295S00#

Around 12 minutes 30 seconds in

[dancingmongoose]

I'm sitting in one right now.  Nothing wrong with the seats.

Was also the same service, the new seats are great. As someone who is almost 2 metres tall I appreciate the high back seats. Seems to have a bit more leg room too.

Noticed a guy in a high vis shirt with "Train Guard Assistance Crew" or something to that respect written across the back. Wondering if this is something official and/or permanent? A number of passengers were visibly uncomfortable with the way he was walking up and down the train swearing loudly

[InclusionMoves]

Can you tell me more about these staff Dancingmongoose? The extra staff being used on NGR to get around its failings are getting out of control. Was it him that was swearing?

Geoff

I'm sitting in one right now.  Nothing wrong with the seats.

Was also the same service, the new seats are great. As someone who is almost 2 metres tall I appreciate the high back seats. Seems to have a bit more leg room too.

Noticed a guy in a high vis shirt with "Train Guard Assistance Crew" or something to that respect written across the back. Wondering if this is something official and/or permanent? A number of passengers were visibly uncomfortable with the way he was walking up and down the train swearing loudly

[tazzer9]

I want to leave all the DDA/legal stuff for now and actually want to know about the train as I won't be able to ride it for another few days.
Is the ride smooth?  Like the 100's or a bouncy like the 160's.
Noise?  Is it quiet.  Does the intercarriage area make squeaks and groans yet.
Doors?  they they open speedily.
Air-con?  Does it work well and is it loud.

[Cazza]

These are my observations, others would have different views.

Ride: Very smooth, I feel the suspension is pretty much spot on, although it did seem a bit stiff as it went over points at speed (or was that just me).
Noise: From the inside, it is extremely quiet (the train that is, not the passengers). Very difficult to hear the outside noise so they did well in that aspect. However, as the train pulled into the station before I boarded, the brakes were very squeaky and noisy. Nothing a bit of WD40 can't fix aye?
I wasn't near the gangways so can't comment on that.
Doors: The speed hasn't changed all that much from the 260 series. I like the button being in the centre of the door, very helpful so you don't have to go searching for it.
A couple things I would like to see changed for the doors: the pitch of the "beep". It is quite irritating. The current "beep" on the rest of the fleet is fine. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Also, once the door has been opened, it doesn't need to keep beeping. It is unnecessary and annoying. It's fine if the train is sitting at a station for a bit and doors that haven't been opened continue with the single beep, but doors that have been, I don't understand why.
Didn't really pick up on the air con, someone else can answer that.

Also, I was lucky enough to catch one yesterday, but I was back at Central later on during the morning (around 9:45am I think) and managed to catch 706 pulling into Platform 3 as my train was arriving. 706 was looking very shiny.

[SurfRail]

I'm sitting in one right now.  Nothing wrong with the seats.

Was also the same service, the new seats are great. As someone who is almost 2 metres tall I appreciate the high back seats. Seems to have a bit more leg room too.

Noticed a guy in a high vis shirt with "Train Guard Assistance Crew" or something to that respect written across the back. Wondering if this is something official and/or permanent? A number of passengers were visibly uncomfortable with the way he was walking up and down the train swearing loudly

"QLD Train Assistance Guard" I believe.

I've seen him previously around Beenleigh - I have no idea what his deal is but I'm fairly confident he isn't in anyway employed by or contracted to QR, just one of the characters you run into in that neck of the woods.

There is a "fake" bus marshal in Sydney who shows up whenever there is a rail shutdown on and hovers around giving (usually incorrect) information to passengers.  Most times they tolerate him but every now and again somebody cracks it and chases him off.

[InclusionMoves]

Haha that is too funny!!!

I'm sitting in one right now.  Nothing wrong with the seats.

Was also the same service, the new seats are great. As someone who is almost 2 metres tall I appreciate the high back seats. Seems to have a bit more leg room too.

Noticed a guy in a high vis shirt with "Train Guard Assistance Crew" or something to that respect written across the back. Wondering if this is something official and/or permanent? A number of passengers were visibly uncomfortable with the way he was walking up and down the train swearing loudly

"QLD Train Assistance Guard" I believe.

I've seen him previously around Beenleigh - I have no idea what his deal is but I'm fairly confident he isn't in anyway employed by or contracted to QR, just one of the characters you run into in that neck of the woods.

There is a "fake" bus marshal in Sydney who shows up whenever there is a rail shutdown on and hovers around giving (usually incorrect) information to passengers.  Most times they tolerate him but every now and again somebody cracks it and chases him off.

[SurfRail]

I want to leave all the DDA/legal stuff for now and actually want to know about the train as I won't be able to ride it for another few days.
Is the ride smooth?  Like the 100's or a bouncy like the 160's.
Noise?  Is it quiet.  Does the intercarriage area make squeaks and groans yet.
Doors?  they they open speedily.
Air-con?  Does it work well and is it loud.

They ride closer to a 100 series than a 160 in my view.  The suspension seems a touch tight on the 140kph sections south of Beenleigh, there is a little bit of bounce but nothing like the lateral motion you get on the 160s.

There is less padding in the seats, but not substantially less.  They aren't in the same league as Perth where there is basically no padding at all.  With time and wear they should get a bit more comfortable once there is a bit less give in the cushioning.

A/C I'm of mixed mind.  It's quieter than on the 160s (no massive bump 40 seconds after the system reboots after a neutral section), but it also seems to perform slightly less well.  That might just be a function of where I've sat.

[ozbob]

Externally they are little noiser than I expected.  I have encountered then a number times on the network and they are quite distinctive in the motor sounds.  Not overly noisy just bit more than I would have expected.  They may quieten down as they get more miles under the belt.

[dancingmongoose]

I'm sitting in one right now.  Nothing wrong with the seats.

Was also the same service, the new seats are great. As someone who is almost 2 metres tall I appreciate the high back seats. Seems to have a bit more leg room too.

Noticed a guy in a high vis shirt with "Train Guard Assistance Crew" or something to that respect written across the back. Wondering if this is something official and/or permanent? A number of passengers were visibly uncomfortable with the way he was walking up and down the train swearing loudly

"QLD Train Assistance Guard" I believe.

I've seen him previously around Beenleigh - I have no idea what his deal is but I'm fairly confident he isn't in anyway employed by or contracted to QR, just one of the characters you run into in that neck of the woods.

There is a "fake" bus marshal in Sydney who shows up whenever there is a rail shutdown on and hovers around giving (usually incorrect) information to passengers.  Most times they tolerate him but every now and again somebody cracks it and chases him off.

That was my feeling too, it's just not a good look though

[ozbob]

[BrizCommuter]

I'm sitting in one right now.  Nothing wrong with the seats.

Was also the same service, the new seats are great. As someone who is almost 2 metres tall I appreciate the high back seats. Seems to have a bit more leg room too.

Noticed a guy in a high vis shirt with "Train Guard Assistance Crew" or something to that respect written across the back. Wondering if this is something official and/or permanent? A number of passengers were visibly uncomfortable with the way he was walking up and down the train swearing loudly

"QLD Train Assistance Guard" I believe.

I've seen him previously around Beenleigh - I have no idea what his deal is but I'm fairly confident he isn't in anyway employed by or contracted to QR, just one of the characters you run into in that neck of the woods.

There is a "fake" bus marshal in Sydney who shows up whenever there is a rail shutdown on and hovers around giving (usually incorrect) information to passengers.  Most times they tolerate him but every now and again somebody cracks it and chases him off.

That was my feeling too, it's just not a good look though

Can't QR ban him?

[HappyTrainGuy]

SMU244 and it's partner SMU248 which is on Springfield/Kippa Ring runs (should be about 10 minutes late wherever it currently is) is currently eating sh%t and keeps needing to be rebooted. I say let the NGRs run. Yes it might inconvience the minority but considering the health of the existing rollingstock let em run.

[ozbob]

We all want the NGRs out there taking the load off the old and bold.  The wankers at DTMR have had plenty of time to get the exemption done properly, they have now put Queensland Rail in a very difficult position. Forcing an operator to operate in direct contravention of the DDA, DSAPT and their own Accessibility Action Plan.  It has been known for a very long time that the trains have compliance issues, to apply for an exemption at the last minute and then snub noses at due process was never going to end well.

[tazzer9]

Get as much wear and tear into the NGR's as possible since its not QR staff or equipment maintaining them. 
Are the seats as hard as the OScars/Waratahs in sydney. I'm okay with that level of hardness but nothing more.   
I remember the seat from the wulkuraka open day and it didn't seem too bad if sitting normally, but looks ridiculously uncomfortable if your tired or drunk. 

[SurfRail]

I do carry around my own "internal" padding on my undercarriage, but I've now made 1 ex-Varsity and 2 ex-Robina trips to Central this week sitting in both the facing and non-facing seats and can't report any comfort issues with the seating.  (I haven't sat in the longtitudinal seating yet but don't expect that would be particularly comfortable anyway.)

[JimmyP]

 

I do carry around my own "internal" padding on my undercarriage, but I've now made 1 ex-Varsity and 2 ex-Robina trips to Central this week sitting in both the facing and non-facing seats and can't report any comfort issues with the seating.  (I haven't sat in the longtitudinal seating yet but don't expect that would be particularly comfortable anyway.)

I've had a couple short trips since they started running and I find them ok so far, similar to Waratah etc, but nicer with the high back seats.

[Otto]

Anyone wanting to ride the NGR on Friday, I've got a bit of info from that leaky boat on the Brisbane River.   

Seems only one NGR will be in revenue service on Friday.

Will depart Varsity Lakes P1 @ 7:25 to Airport passing Central P3 @ 8:46. Then forms a service to Roma Street before dead run to Wulkuraka.

Afternoon departure from Roma Street P7 @ 16;42 to Airport, then Airport P2 @ 17:19 to Varsity Lakes arr 19:07 passing Central P1 @17:44

[ozbob]

Thanks Otto. I have noticed the last two mornings, an inbound (down) wrapped NGR (empty) through Goodna around 4.40 - 4.50am.  I will keep an eye this morning to see if there is the same movement.

[ozbob]

Thanks Otto. I have noticed the last two mornings, an inbound (down) wrapped NGR (empty) through Goodna around 4.40 - 4.50am.  I will keep an eye this morning to see if there is the same movement.

Yo, another NGR down through Goodna at 4.40am this morning.  I couldn't really see if was wrapped or not but probably. There was an UP coalie blocking my clear view from the gym.

[brissypete]

NGR timetables here, and yes as for rest of network Friday is different. https://translink.com.au/about-translink/projects-and-initiatives/new-generation-rollingstock

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[tazzer9]

The page said that while capable of 140, they will travel at lower regulated track speed.  Does this mean they will simply travel to speed boards, or are they not allowed to travel at 140km/h even where speed boards permit.

[ozbob]

NGR train timetable 11 - 15 December 2017

> https://translink.com.au/about-translink/projects-and-initiatives/new-generation-rollingstock/timetable

[SurfRail]

The page said that while capable of 140, they will travel at lower regulated track speed.  Does this mean they will simply travel to speed boards, or are they not allowed to travel at 140km/h even where speed boards permit.

I read that to mean they will only do 140 where that is the track speed (ie only between the Beenleigh yard limit of shunt and Robina, and between Caboolture and Beerburrum).

[tazzer9]

The page said that while capable of 140, they will travel at lower regulated track speed.  Does this mean they will simply travel to speed boards, or are they not allowed to travel at 140km/h even where speed boards permit.

I read that to mean they will only do 140 where that is the track speed (ie only between the Beenleigh yard limit of shunt and Robina, and between Caboolture and Beerburrum).

Don't forget that little bit of 140 on the springfield line.