Road Watch

[#Metro]

Clem 7 tunnel will open soon. The toll will be 4.28 per journey (8.56 per day 2 ways).
Public transport 3 zones GoCard adult is cheaper than this (not counting parking or buying the car or ongoing fees).

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-20100115-mc2n.html

What we are trying to avoid- The Wilbur Smith Plan 1965...

Gridlock

Ugliness

Separation

[WTN]

Unfortunately I think it's already happening out near the airport.  The amount of roadworks occurring there in recent times is unimaginable.  I went for a trip to DFO and it's feels like you're in LA (or a small version of it).

[O_128]

What i thought those pictures were of bowen hills 

[#Metro]

At least there is some neat animation work happening.
http://www.circus3d.com/index.php/centenary-interchange-ipswich-mway

[Jon Bryant]

Phew.  At least now there is one benefit from the tunnel.  Jobs for computer animators!!!!!!!!!  I predict this will either be a financial failure because no one uses it or a transport one because everone does.  Lose Lose all round

[Jon Bryant]

Clem 7 tunnel will open soon. The toll will be 4.28 per journey (8.56 per day 2 ways).
Public transport 3 zones GoCard adult is cheaper than this (not counting parking or buying the car or ongoing fees).

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-20100115-mc2n.html

What we are trying to avoid- The Wilbur Smith Plan 1965...

Gridlock

Ugliness

Separation

The link just shows that our transport planners are stuck in the 1960's believeing that building roads will solve our congestion.  After 45 years you would think one sane planner would sit back and say "This does not seem to be working...each road is touted as the solution to our traffic congestion problems but we never seem to get ahead...we add 100% of road space and yet 5% population grow fills it...it just does not add up"

[#Metro]

Roads to have their place... underground!  

I think freeways and similar have their place in
* bypassing towns (Gateway OK but INB, Riverside Express, Hale St Link, Northern Link probably not, Clem 7 is somewhere in between).
* for very low density applications
* connecting cities separated by low density/long distance (i.e. Ipswich-Toowoomba, Ipswich-Brisbane, Brisbane-Gold Coast)
* where it is not practical for solely PT (i.e. Portside motorway for container freight)

This is not always easy to keep. "The Milton Road problem" occurs when a freeway stops at the edge of the city, rather than bypassing it. Cars slow down and pour into arterial roads- Milton Rd and Coronation Drive. This extra demand (even with PT in place such as BUZ 444/Rail Line) congests everything. The traditional fix is to later extend the freeway as close to the CBD as possible (Northern Link).

And there seems to be a bit of a paradox happening. Often I hear that the traffic is merely "bypassing" the city and that there are few vehicles which enter/exit the CBD. The strange thing is, if everyone is only driving around the city, how do people get to work in the city where most of the jobs are? Parking on the fringes maybe?

The other possibility is that the CBD is being used as one giant roundabout, with the CBD in the centre.

[#Metro]

Click this link to go back to the 1960s and 1970s ---> http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=3304.0

[Jon Bryant]

Roads do have their place and I love driving my car as much as the next person.  It is the scale of urban and the newer non-urban freeways that I object to. Even Gympie Road and other mjor arterials are over engineered, ugly, noisy, dangerous sppedways that discourage urban consolidation.  The freeway of today is a scar across any environment, neighbouhood, city, river, etc.  They force communities to hundle way from them further decreasing the walkability of a city.  There is a balance and cities like Zurick, Vienna, Vancouver have found or are finding that balance.

I like the Varisty Lakes planning approach with the foillowing transport planning priority approach:

1. Walking:
2. Cycling
3. Public Transport
4. Motor Vehicle.

You could split the last point into Light Commerical, Freight and then Passenger Vehicle.

SEQ is being choked to death by the modern freeway, bypass or tunnel.