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New Services Tally - 2010
« on: January 07, 2010, 05:32:07 PM »
Ok we have been promised 301 000 new services [1].
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Every cent collected from the fare changes will be pumped back into better public transport services.
Over the next year, this equates to 301 000 new public transport seats every single week.

We will deliver
  • 201 000 seats on buses
  • 83 400 seats on trains
  • 17 000 seats on ferries

When they announce new services we can keep track of them...

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1. download.translink.com.au/ticketing/100104_fares.pdf
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 07:31:17 AM »
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 08:54:37 PM »
Do we include the recently added Gold Coast services, and the extra Ipswich line service? These were added since the original 301,000 new places press release. If so that would be 15 new services/week, and 7,500 seats.
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 08:56:26 PM »
Well it says these changes will be a result of fare increases so I would say no.

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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 09:22:07 PM »
I would guess any services that are added on or between 4th Jan 2010-4th Jan 2011.
We have very high expectations...

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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2010, 05:21:24 AM »
I am with you Tramtrain.   Post fare increases ...
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2010, 11:04:56 AM »
January Tally Results

New bus services: 1
seats: 186 (62 x 3)

New train services: 0
seats: 0

New ferry services: 0
seats: 0

Seats out of 301 000:186 (0.06%)
Scale result (1 worst, 5 best)
[1] , 2, 3, 4, 5,
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2010, 11:33:43 AM »
Route 225 (Wynnum to Carindale) service change - effective 27 January 2010

Three additional route 225 (Wynnum to Carindale) services and a minor timing change for one afternoon service will improve public transport options for school students. These changes are effective from the start of the school year, Wednesday 27 January 2010.

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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2010, 05:48:12 PM »
2 new early am Airtrain services (1 to Airport, 1 return) from mid-Feb according to story in mX.
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2010, 05:51:12 PM »
Do they count as ir is Airtrain who pays for it?

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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2010, 06:13:03 PM »
5am Service to Airports from Central, coming back 5.42am. 

I don't think that counts in the 301,000 weekly public transport seats.
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2010, 11:29:26 AM »
20 000 NEW SEATS PER WEEK
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26703146-952,00.html

Good one Rachel Nolan!
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Slightly higher ticket prices, but now more services and frequency..
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2010, 09:55:28 PM »
February Tally Results

Bus:
New seats per week: 20 000
Total so far: 20 186
% of seats promised so far: 10%

Ferry:
New seats per week: 20 x 162 = 3 240
% of seats promised so far: 19%

Train:
New seats per week: 0
% of seats promised so far: 0%

It's getting awfully close to June 30...

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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2010, 11:51:30 AM »
I think it was the calendar year that they promised to add the services.

Still 16.7% through the year, and less than 10% of the promised services added so far.

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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2010, 12:04:18 PM »
The original statement promised the extra services by July this year ...

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Mr Lucas said extra funds would be used to help add more than 301,000 additional passenger capacity a week to the SEQ network by July next year.

http://www.cabinet.qld.gov.au/MMS/StatementDisplaySingle.aspx?id=66877  15th October 2009

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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2010, 05:29:01 PM »
Hmmm. Interesting...

There appears to be a 6 month time extension. See the TransLink material:
http://download.translink.com.au/ticketing/100104_fares.pdf
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301 000 new seats
Every cent collected from the fare
changes will be pumped back into
better public transport services.

Over the next year, this equates to
301 000 new public transport seats
every single week.

We will deliver:
• 201 000 seats on buses
• 83 400 seats on trains
• 17 000 seats on ferries.
Over the next five years we will keep
rolling out new services to keep pace
with demand.

However a TL brochure is on a lower level of authority than a ministerial media release where the words come out of the minister's mouth or pen.
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2010, 02:06:06 PM »
From the Queensland Parliament Hansard

http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/view/legislativeAssembly/hansard/documents/2010.pdf/2010_03_25_DAILY.pdf

Adjournment debate  25th March 2010

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Mr EMERSON (Indooroopilly—LNP) (6.37 pm): Public transport users in my electorate from the start of this year found themselves paying massive increases in fares—an additional 20 per cent more for go card holders and 40 per cent for paper ticket buyers—to catch a train, bus or ferry. Many of those commuters still do not realise that those fares will continue to rise over the coming years—a 15 per cent rise every year until 2014. In fact, by 2014 they will be paying twice the level of today’s fares. When the Bligh government announced the fare increases in October last year—another thing it failed to mention before the state election—the government insisted the increases were necessary ‘so we can keep rolling out more and better services’. At the time of the announcement of these massive rises in fares, the Deputy Premier, Paul Lucas, claimed the extra funds would be used to help add more than 301,000 additional passenger capacity a week to the SEQ network by July 2010. Well, we are just over three months from that July 2010 date but the Bligh government, while taking the extra fares, is unfortunately well short of that target. As Robert Dow from the public transport advocacy group Back on Track said, it is now March and we have only seen a small number of these promised seats introduced. As Back on Track said, of the additional 201,000 seats on buses promised by the Bligh government to be delivered by July this year, so far we have seen less than 20 per cent delivered.

Of the additional 17,000 seats on ferries promised by the Bligh government, less than 20 per cent have been delivered. Of the 83,400 seats on trains promised by the Bligh government, there has been a zero increase. The only promise the Bligh government has met so far is to increase fares, and I bet the only promise it is guaranteed to keep is to continue increasing fares. As Robert Dow said— We look forward to the extra trains, buses and ferry services that were promised last October. The 1st of July is fast approaching. But Robert Dow and other public transport users are set to be disappointed, because the 1 July 2010 deadline has been quietly, secretly dumped. Transport minister Rachel Nolan mentioned the 301,000 in parliament this week but failed to mention the 1 July date, and on the TransLink website the 1 July date appears to have vanished. The 1 July date is no longer there. What it now says is that they will be delivered over the next year. So we have seen a blow-out by at least six months, so once again public transport users have been let down by the Bligh government. They are paying higher fares, but the promised increases of additional capacity have failed to be delivered.
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2010, 02:06:46 PM »
The 77 bus has added a further 18,615  weekly seats.
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2010, 04:13:52 PM »
Taking into account all additional services from the original announcement around 90,000 seats, 200,000 to come before July!   :)
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2010, 04:45:24 PM »
So the date for improved services has now been changed to the end of the year? (Disregarding increased bus services already made)


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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2010, 05:28:07 PM »
So the date for improved services has now been changed to the end of the year? (Disregarding increased bus services already made)



Typical Bligh government and I'm betting the year starts now
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2010, 05:31:43 PM »
So the date for improved services has now been changed to the end of the year? (Disregarding increased bus services already made)



Typical Bligh government and I'm betting the year starts now

Yeah I must say, very disappointing

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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2010, 09:01:23 PM »
Now if there are going to be new rail timetables in July, has anyone been consulted over them, or are we going to get another "March 2008 Ferny Grove Timetable" style disaster?
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2010, 10:11:30 PM »
It's the end of the month again...

March Services Tally

Bus:
New seats per week: 18 615
Total new weekly seats (to March 31): 38 801
% of seats promised so far: 19.3%

Ferry:
New seats per week: 0
Total new weekly seats (to March 31): 3 240
% of seats promised so far: 19%

Train:
New seats per week: 0
Total new weekly seats (to March 31): 0
% of seats promised so far: 0%

Another disappointing result for train commuters...

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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2010, 08:19:50 AM »
There are rumors on ATDB of other increases to service with the introduction of the CityGlider on April 11 or 12.  Link here: http://busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48925&start=175

Look for a BUZ 330 (my speculation), although increasing such a long route doesn't give you that many seats for you dollar now does it?

If a BUZ 412 has been ruled out, then I assume that's mostly due to the rule about BUZ routes serving the Cultural Centre, which wouldn't be convenient for the 412.

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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2010, 09:26:26 AM »
They might at some point have to abandon the sacred cow every BUZ through Cultural Centre. Or remove non-BUZ services from there.
It is difficult to see how much extra capacity cultural centre can take during the peak hour without another bridge or extra platforms or larger (possibly slightly less frequent) services.

I suspect more buses are the easier to add services than more frequent ferries and more frequent trains.
At some point the ferry services & rail will have to come online as well.

Every 20 seconds is getting to the limit I think.
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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2010, 10:29:01 AM »
They might at some point have to abandon the sacred cow every BUZ through Cultural Centre. Or remove non-BUZ services from there.
It is difficult to see how much extra capacity cultural centre can take during the peak hour without another bridge or extra platforms or larger (possibly slightly less frequent) services.

I suspect more buses are the easier to add services than more frequent ferries and more frequent trains.
At some point the ferry services & rail will have to come online as well.

Every 20 seconds is getting to the limit I think.
It's not just the Cultural Centre either.  Mater Hill's platforms are only long enough for 3 standard size buses.  Traffic through both locations is already more than the efficient capacity.  I think that's pretty obvious to anyone who's been through there in peak hour.

EDIT: One more thing, I would say that the services have been promised by 31 July 2010.  If they come on 30 July, we can hardly say that they didn't deliver the services by July can we?
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Re: New Services Tally
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2010, 11:08:12 AM »
There is an "unofficial" 4th bus stop at Mater Hill that can be formed in peak flow..
As long as they deliver the services and by the due date, I don't mind either way... :)

http://eprints.qut.edu.au/9844/01/FP_Jaiswal_48.pdf

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« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2010, 02:22:56 PM »
A rather interesting new bus route to start up on the 12th April.  Route 299 which runs in the counter peak from Brisbane City to Rochedale via Griffith Uni at Nathan, Sunnybank and Brisbane Technology Park at Eight Mile Plains.  Will definately ease a bit of overloading of students in the counter peak from the uni to the city, which is currently occuring.

http://www.translink.com.au/servicechange.php?id=508
http://download.translink.com.au/timetables/100413_260,261,262,299.pdf

Six more trips in the tally.

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« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2010, 02:32:25 PM »
Thanks STB,  might be a few more coming on the 12th too?    ;)
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« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2010, 05:59:59 PM »
Still no additional seats or services for rail, 30th June is fast approaching so it will be a scramble.
 

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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2010, 06:58:20 PM »
The CityGlider is 83,000 seats a week, there goes a fair chunk of the bus increases ...
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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2010, 07:24:31 PM »
They just need to announce another completely new BUZ and the bus target will be reached.

As for Rail commuters, on 0%, looks like they will be left behind at the station.... ::)
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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2010, 08:21:41 PM »
Would the CityGlider count in this tally though? I thought it was purely Translink services only. Considering that CityGlider is a BCC operated service, I'm not quite sure that we should include this...

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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2010, 08:23:24 PM »
I thought it was a BCC idea, but in the end it has been given TL funding. Plus it uses the go card, so I think it should be included in the tally.
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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2010, 10:04:23 PM »
I thought it was a BCC idea, but in the end it has been given TL funding. Plus it uses the go card, so I think it should be included in the tally.
Yep, I agree.

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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2010, 03:18:46 PM »
About 12 weeks now until the 30th June "deadline" for new train services, and I'm still not aware of any public consultation on these new timetables. Maybe this needs to be raised this with QR?
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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2010, 04:25:00 PM »
About 12 weeks now until the 30th June "deadline" for new train services, and I'm still not aware of any public consultation on these new timetables. Maybe this needs to be raised this with QR?
In case you are interested, last week I put a query in to TL regarding the new timetables and the Sunday am hourly frequencies.  And pointed out that if they released the draft timetables I wouldn't have to ask such a question.

Never having satisfaction yet from Translink's feedback, I'm not too confident.

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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2010, 08:30:41 PM »
About 12 weeks now until the 30th June "deadline" for new train services, and I'm still not aware of any public consultation on these new timetables. Maybe this needs to be raised this with QR?
In case you are interested, last week I put a query in to TL regarding the new timetables and the Sunday am hourly frequencies.  And pointed out that if they released the draft timetables I wouldn't have to ask such a question.

Never having satisfaction yet from Translink's feedback, I'm not too confident.

So I assume they haven't got back to you?

As I haven't made a complaint for a few weeks, I might also put in a similar enquiry. Good luck with a response!
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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2010, 08:04:50 AM »
So I assume they haven't got back to you?
They've said this: "We have noted your comments and requested advice from the responsible delivery partner. Please be assured that we will be in contact with you as soon as we receive information addressing the issues you have raised."

 

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