New fare strategy - articles and discussion

[SteelPan]

as a uni student, you would enjoy a concession fare of 50% of the values I set out in my post.

Current Zone 5 would likely be in my "Zone 2".  Therefore you'd travel to and from uni for $5 a day!   :conf

Firstly, show some respect to those who do work in Government.

Secondly, be more clearer in your rants.

Thirdly I pay $2.18 under the new fares plus I get closer to getting free travel for each journey I do.  The fares could possibly be a bit lower but I wouldn't support your idea.

EDIT: The structure is NOT complex,  if you can't understand 10 journeys then free (1, 2, free for pensioners and seniors), then oh dear my friend.  :conf

Why stuff pensioners around - even the 'roaches south of the border just say $2.50 go anywhere all day!  How EASY is that....

[STB]

1) Respect to govt boffins - ahh would these be the same type of people running the Wld Health Dept - as just one example?

2) the fact that SOME peoples fares might actually rise slightly indicates the idea may well have a sound financial footing.

3) if you think, the SE Qld Translink ticketing and zoning system is effective and efficient way to run a PT system - you must never have got around much!

It is a JOKE.

Tell me, as say a visting tourist - and of course we all know Queensland is very tourist focused, it's one of our major industries - what TODAY, would I pay for a flat rate, go anywhere, all day public transit ticket??

I have used public transport since the late 90s and do not own or drive a car - heck I only got my learners the other day as I'll be needing it when I start work in a new industry that requires use of a car, otherwise I wouldn't bother.  I get around fine and I understand the network and the fare structure just fine.  I have been to Perth, Melbourne, Sydney (where I was born) and Adelaide and know to some extent on how those areas work.  So you are showing a lot of ignorance by accusing me of not being well traveled.

Also, criticise the system not the people who work for it.  Saying 'department of morons' is attacking the people who work for government, simple as that and something I do not support seeing here on RBOT!  You won't get change if you just attack the people who have the power to implement change. There are some hard working people, including doctors, nurses (at least in health) who work immensely.  There are also Administrative people who keep the system moving, including maintaining appointments and charts among a million other things it takes to running a hospital.

[STB]

as a uni student, you would enjoy a concession fare of 50% of the values I set out in my post.

Current Zone 5 would likely be in my "Zone 2".  Therefore you'd travel to and from uni for $5 a day!   :conf

Firstly, show some respect to those who do work in Government.

Secondly, be more clearer in your rants.

Thirdly I pay $2.18 under the new fares plus I get closer to getting free travel for each journey I do.  The fares could possibly be a bit lower but I wouldn't support your idea.

EDIT: The structure is NOT complex,  if you can't understand 10 journeys then free (1, 2, free for pensioners and seniors), then oh dear my friend.  :conf

Why stuff pensioners around - even the 'roaches south of the border just say $2.50 go anywhere all day!  How EASY is that....

As Ozbob has pointed out on a number of occassions, pensioners and seniors typically do multiple journeys a day then don't tend to travel for a little while after that, that's why they have the 1, 2, free capped Go Card structure.

$2.50 isn't a bad structure, but it's certainly not any worse than what we have here IMO.

[SteelPan]

OK, but, given tourism, is one of this states MAJOR industries, I've just hit town and want to get around for the day - come on, there's got to be something like the good old "day rover" type ticket - surely, I pay say $15 and I can go anywhere all day - pretty much all the PT systems in this country have them!

Please don't starting talking to me as a tourist about signing up for cards or zones - I pay some $$$ get an all day everywhere ticket - come on, it's 2012?

If I live to be 100 you will never know my dislike for politicans and boffins - you'll never know - and they deserve it - because, "it's only govt money" and they sure know how to burn it!

[STB]

OK, but, given tourism, is one of this states MAJOR industries, I've just hit town and want to get around for the day - come on, there's got to be something like the good old "day rover" type ticket - surely, I pay say $15 and I can go anywhere all day - pretty much all the PT systems in this country have them!

Please don't starting talking to me as a tourist about signing up for cards or zones - I pay some $$$ get an all day everywhere ticket - come on, it's 2012?

If I live to be 100 you will never know my dislike for politicans and boffins - you'll never know - and they deserve it - because, "it's only govt money" and they sure know how to burn it!

I think Ozbob pointed out a while ago that a tourist product is being developed.  Ask Ozbob, he would know more details about this.

EDIT: Also, lets hope that you don't need medical assistance in future since you have such a hatred for those who work in the system (I'm using health as an example here since you mentioned it). 

[HappyTrainGuy]

SEQ is a drop in the ocean for tourists.

And how can a 3 zone system apply to translink considering they control from the border to as far as Gympie.

[#Metro]

Don't play with the zones (except the Ekka anomaly)
Don't play with the fares (except healthcare card holders and go 100% electronic)

Don't overcook the fares and ticketing.

I think TL have got it just right.

Don't touch!!

[SteelPan]

I think Ozbob pointed out a while ago that a tourist product is being developed.  Ask Ozbob, he would know more details about this.

In other words, they [Translink] don't have a clue!

PREDICTION - Translink will come up with a "tourist ticket" and, uniquely in Quuueeeensssland to buy this ticket you'll need to present some sort of "non-residence" status - they entire thing is becoming a JOKE, it's a metro transit system, not micro surgery.

I've said from day 1 and keep saying, Translink is HOPELESS!  They run the system like it's just turned 1971.  Thank goodness at least a political change is coming - but their not sizing up on PT much better.

[STB]

I think Ozbob pointed out a while ago that a tourist product is being developed.  Ask Ozbob, he would know more details about this.

In other words, they [Translink] don't have a clue!

PREDICTION - Translink will come up with a "tourist ticket" and, uniquely in Quuueeeensssland to buy this ticket you'll need to present some sort of "non-residence" status - they entire thing is becoming a JOKE, it's a metro transit system, not micro surgery.

I've said from day 1 and keep saying, Translink is HOPELESS!  They run the system like it's just turned 1971.  Thank goodness at least a political change is coming - but their not sizing up on PT much better.

No, I believe that they will eventually be sold in accommodation houses, hotels, international and domestic airports etc.  You really are jumping the gun and displaying your ignorance by coming to a conclusion before it has happened.

[dwb]

THE answer to THE complete waste of time/nonesense issue created by a stupid govt and administered by stupid boffins - see, read, look, learn - ACTION.


Zone 1 Ticket - $5.00 all day, as many trips as you like, one station or all stations in Zone 1.
Zone 2 Ticket - $10.00 all day, as many trips as you like, one station or all stations in Zone 1 AND 2.
Zone 3 Ticket - $15.00 all day, as many trips as you like, one station or all stations in ALL ZONES.

Yes, you can buy a single trip ticket for travel within any of the above Zones at $2.50. ie, you cross 2 Zones it goes to $5 you cross 3 Zones it goes to $7.50.

How hard can it be - answer: as hard as the Quueeeensssland Govt/Dept of Morons can make it!

Finally - forget what they tell you - it IS about getting as many $$$$$'s as they can possibly get, in its current HOPELESS, Complex Structure.

Notice to ALL deadwood, I mean politicans, potential pollies and underworked & overstaffed boffins, you can take your FREE TRIP (wow a free trip!!!   ) after 10 or 9 paid for trips CON and shove it right up %^&*() $#@

Ahh the way you go on steelpan really makes me laugh, which is lucky otherwise i'd cry.

I've no problem with your ideas, but your expression leaves room for improvement. Also, just because someone doesn't like your idea, doesn't make them a moron. Its easy to sit outside gov and criticise and scream and write awkward letters to the editor blaming the cost of living for your poor quality of life, but really, it just comes off as whinging!

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[STB]

THE answer to THE complete waste of time/nonesense issue created by a stupid govt and administered by stupid boffins - see, read, look, learn - ACTION.


Zone 1 Ticket - $5.00 all day, as many trips as you like, one station or all stations in Zone 1.
Zone 2 Ticket - $10.00 all day, as many trips as you like, one station or all stations in Zone 1 AND 2.
Zone 3 Ticket - $15.00 all day, as many trips as you like, one station or all stations in ALL ZONES.

Yes, you can buy a single trip ticket for travel within any of the above Zones at $2.50. ie, you cross 2 Zones it goes to $5 you cross 3 Zones it goes to $7.50.

How hard can it be - answer: as hard as the Quueeeensssland Govt/Dept of Morons can make it!

Finally - forget what they tell you - it IS about getting as many $$$$$'s as they can possibly get, in its current HOPELESS, Complex Structure.

Notice to ALL deadwood, I mean politicans, potential pollies and underworked & overstaffed boffins, you can take your FREE TRIP (wow a free trip!!!    ) after 10 or 9 paid for trips CON and shove it right up %^&*() $#@

Ahh the way you go on steelpan really makes me laugh, which is lucky otherwise i'd cry.

I've no problem with your ideas, but your expression leaves room for improvement. Also, just because someone doesn't like your idea, doesn't make them a moron. Its easy to sit outside gov and criticise and scream and write awkward letters to the editor blaming the cost of living for your poor quality of life, but really, it just comes off as whinging!

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There's also much more worse things in life to be worried about, study any Arts degree and you get exposed to stuff that you really wish you didn't get exposed to in the first place.  Really horrible things that makes your life seem like heaven in comparison.

But yes, SteelPan, you really do need to learn to word your posts so they don't come out as aggressive as that original post you just did.

[SteelPan]

Ahh the way you go on steelpan really makes me laugh, which is lucky otherwise i'd cry.

I've no problem with your ideas, but your expression leaves room for improvement. Also, just because someone doesn't like your idea, doesn't make them a moron. Its easy to sit outside gov and criticise and scream and write awkward letters to the editor blaming the cost of living for your poor quality of life, but really, it just comes off as whinging!

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Please point out for me who in here I called a "moron" for not agreeing with me???  

[dwb]

Ahh the way you go on steelpan really makes me laugh, which is lucky otherwise i'd cry.

I've no problem with your ideas, but your expression leaves room for improvement. Also, just because someone doesn't like your idea, doesn't make them a moron. Its easy to sit outside gov and criticise and scream and write awkward letters to the editor blaming the cost of living for your poor quality of life, but really, it just comes off as whinging!

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Please point out for me who in here I called a "moron" for not agreeing with me???  
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Read your own posts and find it... I often find control F useful.

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Open question. Is there a "mute" so I don't keep getting notifications about this thread, or do I have to just ignore the next email I get and not click on the link/post again?

[Mr X]

I object to increasing fares for lower zones to make fares in higher zones cheaper. We've had it with the price rises and I don't think it's right that those travelling further and living excessively far from their work to have smaller price rises (in proportion) than those going shorter trips.

I don't like the idea of reducing the zones. It has the same result as what happens when we reduce income tax rates. Those on a higher zone have it cheaper to the expense of all others. I can't see a way of zones being reduced without this occurring, so don't touch the zones! 23 zones across a region the size of SEQ is enough.  I.e. if we merge zones 1-5 and charge it at the "average" existing fare (possibly zone 3), we'd see people going 1 zone subsidising even further those going 5 zones, and getting less bang for buck as a result. I agree with TT- don't touch the zones!

[Arnz]

Open question. Is there a "mute" so I don't keep getting notifications about this thread, or do I have to just ignore the next email I get and not click on the link/post again?

If you have "Notify" enabled on this thread, I would suggest disabling it.

[SteelPan]

....I've no problem with your ideas, but your expression leaves room for improvement. Also, just because someone doesn't like your idea, doesn't make them a moron. Its easy to sit outside gov and criticise and scream and write awkward letters to the editor blaming the cost of living for your poor quality of life, but really, it just comes off as whinging!

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PARDON - the performance, on many issues, by the Queensland State Public Service, over many years have been appalling - APPALLING!  The recent comments regards the loss of over $100m regards coal seem gas storage, the follow-up "it doesn't matter, it's only govt money" comment by a minister of the crown regards another failed item, the employment of fake south pacific "royalty" in the HOPELESS Qld Dept of Health who them rips them off for a fortune right under their noses, living a "royal" like lifestyle at the TAXPAYERS expense - is just the tip of the iceberg.

You could LITERALLY sack 50% of the collar and tie wearing Qld Public Service next week - it would not make any difference except improve things and no-one would notice they were gone!  Tell me, does the Qld Dept of Health still have over TEN THOUSAND CLERKS alone?  No wonder so little ca$h gets to the sharp end of health!!!!!!

[SteelPan]

Please point out for me who in here I called a "moron" for not agreeing with me???  

Read your own posts and find it... I often find control F useful.

Answer the question and if not - apologise!

[Mr X]

Please don't tar all politicians with the same brush. I know of a few Labor MPs who will likely loose their seats in the upcoming election who really don't deserve the anger that the Bligh government has attracted.

Everyone please calm... it's not the end of the world.

[dwb]

I object to increasing fares for lower zones to make fares in higher zones cheaper. We've had it with the price rises and I don't think it's right that those travelling further and living excessively far from their work to have smaller price rises (in proportion) than those going shorter trips.

I don't like the idea of reducing the zones. It has the same result as what happens when we reduce income tax rates. Those on a higher zone have it cheaper to the expense of all others. I can't see a way of zones being reduced without this occurring, so don't touch the zones! 23 zones across a region the size of SEQ is enough.  I.e. if we merge zones 1-5 and charge it at the "average" existing fare (possibly zone 3), we'd see people going 1 zone subsidising even further those going 5 zones, and getting less bang for buck as a result. I agree with TT- don't touch the zones!

I agree don't touch the zones... at least not yet... in the future I think we could just use as the crow distance cost curves.... would incentivise more direct travel.

You also have to think about the quantum, not just proportion... it is easy to say 14 zone travellers only got x% rise when 2 zone got x+5% rise... however this doesn't really mean anything... look at the quantum and you'll see what I mean.

That graph of Simon's is misleading, as most commuters travelling long distances would have had some form of periodical, and have lost a significantly larger discount than was available to others.

[dwb]

Open question. Is there a "mute" so I don't keep getting notifications about this thread, or do I have to just ignore the next email I get and not click on the link/post again?

If you have "Notify" enabled on this thread, I would suggest disabling it.

Can you do it on a single thread?

I've got mine set for notifications for all threads i contribute to...hmmm

[Mr X]

Those same people also gain from the FUD (and rightly so imho  ) if they use it wisely, so it's not all bad.

[dwb]

Please point out for me who in here I called a "moron" for not agreeing with me???  

Read your own posts and find it... I often find control F useful.

Answer the question and if not - apologise!

Try page 32.

[dwb]

Those same people also gain from the FUD (and rightly so imho  ) if they use it wisely, so it's not all bad.

Yes, the whole transition was a bit of take and then give back.... they probably would have suffered less flack if they'd given then taken away (periodicals)... however I feel they only gave back after being forced too... tho you never know!

[SteelPan]

Please point out for me who in here I called a "moron" for not agreeing with me???  

Read your own posts and find it... I often find control F useful.

Answer the question and if not - apologise!

So you make slanderish statements and run away?

[dwb]

Please point out for me who in here I called a "moron" for not agreeing with me???  

Read your own posts and find it... I often find control F useful.

Answer the question and if not - apologise!

So you make slanderish statements and run away?

You didn't control f on page 32 did you?.... anywho I'm sick of your flaming... but this thread is too important to skip, however I won't be reading any more of your posts on this one

[Arnz]

Open question. Is there a "mute" so I don't keep getting notifications about this thread, or do I have to just ignore the next email I get and not click on the link/post again?

If you have "Notify" enabled on this thread, I would suggest disabling it.

Can you do it on a single thread?

I've got mine set for notifications for all threads i contribute to...hmmm

Click on Notify, and a popup will come up saying "Do you want to disable all notifications for this topic".

[dwb]

Open question. Is there a "mute" so I don't keep getting notifications about this thread, or do I have to just ignore the next email I get and not click on the link/post again?

If you have "Notify" enabled on this thread, I would suggest disabling it.

Can you do it on a single thread?

I've got mine set for notifications for all threads i contribute to...hmmm

Click on Notify, and a popup will come up saying "Do you want to disable all notifications for this topic".

Thanks Anrz!!, now all I need is a greasemonkey script that will hide Steelpans comments from my view, my blood pressure would thank me

[#Metro]

OK people, no need to get your points switched the wrong way!
It's just a forum! 

[SteelPan]

DWB - bloody outrageous clown!  and a lier! I say again, show me in here who I called a moron for not agreeing with me??  

[STB]

DWB - bloody outrageous clown!  and a lier! I say again, show me in here who I called a moron for not agreeing with me??  

I would say effectively me, you didn't say it explicitly but you did say it implicitly.  Explicitly though, you just called a bunch of people who you do not know 'morons', in the health system, the system is the problem, not the people who work for it.

Quoted from you: 3) if you think, the SE Qld Translink ticketing and zoning system is effective and efficient way to run a PT system - you must never have got around much!

[HappyTrainGuy]

PURPLE MONKEY MAGLEV TAXIS!

[#Metro]

Sometimes it is important to let a change settle and savour it.
TransLink have done a good job with the zones, fares and ticketing and Go Card.

There will always be things to iron out - it is irritating that Ekka is an anomaly zone, health care card holders don't get discounts despite earning pittance and we still have paper tickets even though the Go Card has been around for years now.

Let it be for now. Fundamentally, it is a decent system, very simple (unlike Victoria which is a mess and Sydney which is a mess on top of a mess). I know that there are some losers (Sunshine Coast) but that is more to do with decisions not to put down decent infrastructure when it was warranted.

Let it be.

[STB]

PURPLE MONKEY MAGLEV TAXIS!

Off topic I know, but please keep that.  That's GOLD!  

I would just add: HOLY PURPLE MONKEY MAGLEV TAXIS BATMAN, this thread has been derailed by one very angry and aggressive member!

[SteelPan]

For the record - the word "moron" WAS used by me in reference to the "Dept of Morons"  how that translates into calling people in here a "moron" for not agreeing with me I will never know.

To then, having made the lie, be a coward and run away is both childish and insightful!

Period!

[STB]

For the record - the word "moron" WAS used by me in reference to the "Dept of Morons"  how that translates into calling people in here a "moron" for not agreeing with me I will never know.

To then, having made the lie, be a coward and run away is both childish and insightful!

Period!

Department of Morons does translate to the people who works for the Government IMO, and in further posts that is what you re-enforced through your obvious hatred for all things Government including the people who work in Government positions, from the cleaner right through to the director-general, which is also insightful for the type of person you are, an angry angry, sad person who has missed out a lot on life (man or woman - I suspect man, living to 100, I suspect old man). Yes, I am now making ignorant posts on you, just as you did to me. But I guess I better stop feeding the flaming troll.

[Arnz]

PURPLE MONKEY MAGLEV TAXIS!

Obligatory to Caboolture... or Ipswich 

[SteelPan]

For the record - the word "moron" WAS used by me in reference to the "Dept of Morons"  how that translates into calling people in here a "moron" for not agreeing with me I will never know.

To then, having made the lie, be a coward and run away is both childish and insightful!

Period!

Department of Morons does translate to the people who works for the Government IMO, and in further posts that is what you re-enforced through your obvious hatred for all things Government including the people who work in Government positions, from the cleaner right through to the director-general, which is also insightful for the type of person you are, an angry angry, sad person who has missed out a lot on life (man or woman - I suspect man, living to 100, I suspect old man). Yes, I am now making ignorant posts on you, just as you did to me. But I guess I better stop feeding the flaming troll.

At least you're right in regards to your making ignorant comments.  rather wide of the mark!
See you later...

[david]

Please don't tar all politicians with the same brush. I know of a few Labor MPs who will likely loose their seats in the upcoming election who really don't deserve the anger that the Bligh government has attracted.

Everyone please calm... it's not the end of the world.

I agree. The current Transport Minister (Annastacia Palaszczuk) has done a brilliant job under trying circumstances in my opinion. There is a lot more attention paid to passenger feedback, an increase in transparency and a real attempt at improving the public transport (around Brisbane at least, can't say too much about anywhere else though). But I'll leave other examples of good MPs out of this forum as I don't want it to turn into a political debate.

[david]

Changing topic,

Currently, the Queensland Rail zones are different to the rest of SEQ zones - for example - Oxley Station is Zone 3, while the suburb is Zone 4. Is it time to align the zones (i.e. make Oxley Station Zone 4), or is this a bad idea?

[Gazza]

I think it should be aligned.
The lack of alignment actually introduces a transfer penalty for feeder bus passengers.