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Eastern Busway
« on: September 09, 2009, 06:47:20 PM »
I've noticed for quite some time (last few months in particular) that work on the Eastern Busway is underway.  Near Buranda station, several properties have been clearly resumed, some of which have been demolished a month or two ago.  The old Mobil service station and Samios hardware store were long gone.  The Beauty Skills Academy, a used car dealership/workshop and a junk yard were gone recently.  Several houses on Logan and Old Cleveland Roads were also fenced off.  There's also a work site or site office in front of the Langlands swimming pool.  I could see work happening as far as Main Avenue. 

You could see some of the work happening by travelling on bus 204 (like I did recently).
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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2009, 04:02:07 PM »
Some useful links

http://translink.com.au/eastern_seb-mainav.php (subscribe to be kept up to date)
http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/urbanrenewal > Eastern Corridor (subscribe to be kept up to date)

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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2009, 11:37:23 AM »
I have some questions about this busway.  Does it have another set of traffic lights on the SE busway, or a freeway style flyover and merge?  I assume the former, but I'd prefer the latter to increase the capacity of the SE busway.  Yes, I know capacity would still be restricted by the intersections at the UQ busway & Woolloongabba, but these would be less major intersections than the Eastern Busway.

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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2009, 01:21:24 PM »
Talking of which...

I don't understand why the Boggo Road busway needs lights at its intersection with the SE busway. It's not terribly busy, plus, can't drivers just use basic give way rules? IMO, most buses would benefit from having the lights removed.

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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2009, 04:35:38 PM »
Talking of which...

I don't understand why the Boggo Road busway needs lights at its intersection with the SE busway. It's not terribly busy, plus, can't drivers just use basic give way rules? IMO, most buses would benefit from having the lights removed.
It seems to be a matter of policy to put traffic lights at every intersection.  Not having been up there yet, I'm not sure about the visibility issues.

There's even a set of traffic lights at the KGSBS turnaround.  I don't think that's required.  Another one would be at the Countess St entrance to the busway near Roma St.  And lacking a green arrow leaving Roma St towards Normanby is a bit silly too.

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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2009, 05:23:03 AM »
TransLink  Eastern Busway information --> http://www.translink.com.au/eastern_maps.php

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2009, 10:08:51 AM »
Make you wonder why sometimes sections like this are not put in right now.
I know that it would have minimal benefit right now on those sections but the cost in terms of impact to local residents and traffic mitigation would be far less!

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2009, 06:02:13 PM »
sigh wouldnt it jsut be easier to bring back the trams  :-t
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2009, 07:42:44 PM »
Yeah. If they didn't even need overhead catenary (you can get types like this), you could just put them on the line, and run them.

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2009, 08:26:54 PM »
Talking of which...

I don't understand why the Boggo Road busway needs lights at its intersection with the SE busway. It's not terribly busy, plus, can't drivers just use basic give way rules? IMO, most buses would benefit from having the lights removed.
It seems to be a matter of policy to put traffic lights at every intersection.  Not having been up there yet, I'm not sure about the visibility issues.

There's even a set of traffic lights at the KGSBS turnaround.  I don't think that's required.  Another one would be at the Countess St entrance to the busway near Roma St.  And lacking a green arrow leaving Roma St towards Normanby is a bit silly too.

Whilst having traffic lights may appear excessive in some locations, I would think that a safety risk assessment would result in traffic lights being a necessity. The risk of a collision, which would be reasonably high due to the frequency of buses, would result in serious injuries.
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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 03:47:34 PM »
So, what services will use this busway?  Seems like 200, 203, 204, 250 are the only full time services as far as I can see.  Is it worth it for this small number of routes?

Staying in the Gabba, you would still have 184/185/210/215/220/230/235 and possibly the Ipswich Rd buses and 250.

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2010, 04:37:42 PM »
add the 209
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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2010, 05:13:39 PM »
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So, what services will use this busway?  Seems like 200, 203, 204, 250 are the only full time services as far as I can see.  Is it worth it for this small number of routes?

Its not about routes, its about passengers & catchment areas & congestion

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2010, 08:50:12 PM »
I have a feeling they will probably add a trunk route:
* 222 BUZ and then lots of smaller rockets

The picture of the disused tram line says it all. On road corridor, segregated, local stops  :(
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2010, 07:57:26 AM »
Its not about routes, its about passengers & catchment areas & congestion
Well, asking the question another way would be: how many passengers will benefit from it?  200 is quarter hourly Mon-Sun, 203 is hourly Mon-Sat, 204 half hourly Mon-Sat, 209 quarter hourly Mon-Fri, 250 half hourly Mon-Fri, for a 13/hour weekday frequency.  I suppose that's similar to what a western busway would carry, although slightly less.

add the 209
Good point.

I have a feeling they will probably add a trunk route:
* 222 BUZ and then lots of smaller rockets
Why BUZ the 222? It's only a short working of the 200.

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2010, 08:27:25 AM »
Translink loves playing with the numbers.

77 from 7am - 7 pm using the CleM 7

200 will be re-numbered and its route altered, you can almost guarantee that.

Why not a busway from Woolloongabba out to the suburbs?
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2010, 09:15:02 AM »
Why not a busway from Woolloongabba out to the suburbs?
Huh?

But why?  Where would said busway go, only thing I can think of is towards the Stanley Bridge for 210/215/220 corridors, with a portal for 230/235.

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2010, 09:54:37 AM »
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Well, asking the question another way would be: how many passengers will benefit from it?

That's what I mean, what unmet demand exists in the existing corridor/catchment area of the future corridor. I'd propose it would be massive, why do you think there is so much traffic in the morning on Old Cleveland Road.

I'm not arguing some form of western bus isn't needed. If you stand back and look at their approach to the network it is to pick low hanging fruit or short sections of busway to build that contribute to the network but also, and perhaps more importantly demonstrate political success to enable future funding of planning and construction.

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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2010, 10:36:58 AM »
what unmet demand exists in the existing corridor/catchment area of the future corridor. I'd propose it would be massive,
Not living out that way, I'm not completely sure.  So it's your forecast that this busway could cause a large increase in patronage?  That's not unlikely.

One for the trainspotter fantasy file: branching the Cleveland line from Norman Park along Stanley Rd, then to Carindale heights.

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2010, 04:26:38 PM »
There used to be trolleybuses in that vicinity (route 8C), but if I ever start seeing heavy rail as being feasible there, get me to an emergency room ASAP.
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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2010, 05:06:11 PM »
Why not a busway from Woolloongabba out to the suburbs?
Were you thinking of instead of the Buranda-Main Av alignment?  Something which extends to near Old Cleveland Rd/Cavendish Rd would require some changes to the route structure as you'd need something to serve the Coorparoo end of Old Cleveland Rd, and almost certainly be more expensive, but more benefit.  

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2010, 07:23:14 PM »
what unmet demand exists in the existing corridor/catchment area of the future corridor. I'd propose it would be massive,
Not living out that way, I'm not completely sure.  So it's your forecast that this busway could cause a large increase in patronage?  That's not unlikely.

One for the trainspotter fantasy file: branching the Cleveland line from Norman Park along Stanley Rd, then to Carindale heights.
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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2011, 02:28:23 PM »
Transport and Multicultural Affairs
The Honourable Annastacia Palaszczuk
14/04/2011

Eastern Busway on time and on budget

The Eastern Busway (Buranda to Main Avenue) is now 80 per cent complete and on track to be finished later this year, Transport Minister Annastacia Palaszczuk said today.

Ms Palaszczuk was joined by Member for Greenslopes Cameron Dick MP for a tour of the $466 million busway this afternoon.

"Despite all the wet weather we're on track to complete this vital section of Brisbane's world class busway network," she said.

"Busway and tunnel entrances had been designed to be above major flood levels so construction works were able to proceed full-steam ahead despite the flooding."

The Eastern Busway will connect communities in Brisbane's eastern suburbs to Brisbane City, major shopping centres, workplaces and the University of Queensland (UQ).

Key project benefits include:

·Cut up to eight minutes off bus trips through the busiest section of Old Cleveland Road, bypassing four sets of traffic lights and saving regular commuters from Coorparoo to the city 1.5 hours in travel time per week;

·Provide two new stations at Stones Corner and Langlands Park;

·Link Stones Corner with key locations including Princess Alexandra Hospital, the University of Queensland and the city;

·Enable fast, frequent and reliable public transport;

·Provide a cheaper, cleaner and greener way to travel; and

·Carry 7000 passengers in the morning peak period by 2016.

Ms Palaszczuk said a 200 tonne crane was recently used to install a pedestrian bridge at the Langlands Park busway station linking two busway station towers with lifts and disability access.

Mr Dick said the 1.05 kilometre section of busway is a major boost for the local economy and is providing more than 2500 jobs for south east Queensland.

"The finish line is in sight and I thank residents who have been so patient since construction started in late 2009," he said.

"This main section is expected to carry more than 100 buses per peak and one bus means 40 less cars on our roads.

"That's good news to ease traffic conditions on our local roads."

The Eastern Busway project is being delivered by an alliance, which includes Transport and Main Roads, Leighton Contractors, AECOM and Sinclair Knight Merz.

The section from University of Queensland and the Eleanor Schonell Bridge to Princess Alexandra Hospital opened in August 2009.

That part of the busway includes two new stations, a bus stop at Dutton Park and Australia's longest busway tunnel.

Ultimately the final 18 km stretch of the busway will connect Buranda to Capalaba via Stones Corner, Coorparoo, Camp Hill, Carina, Carindale and Chandler.

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2011, 03:07:49 PM »
what unmet demand exists in the existing corridor/catchment area of the future corridor. I'd propose it would be massive,
Not living out that way, I'm not completely sure.  So it's your forecast that this busway could cause a large increase in patronage?  That's not unlikely.

One for the trainspotter fantasy file: branching the Cleveland line from Norman Park along Stanley Rd, then to Carindale heights.
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2011, 04:23:33 PM »
Transport and Multicultural Affairs
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14/07/2011

Eastern busway to deliver 100,000 new weekly bus seats

New buses will roll through two new bus stations adding more than 100,000 weekly seats to the transport network when work on the Eastern Busway finishes later this year.

Transport Minister Annastacia Palaszczuk said the bus service package would coincide with the opening of the $466 million Eastern Busway extension which links Buranda to Coorparoo via two tunnels and two new stations at Stones Corner and Langlands Park.

More than 2000 bus services a week would stop the new Stones Corner busway station and more than 1700 bus services would stop at Langlands Park.

"These new bus services will benefit thousands of Brisbane residents in and around Coorparoo, Stones Corner, Greenslopes, Carindale, Belmont, Mansfield, Chatsworth and St Lucia," Ms Palaszczuk said.

"The Eastern Busway is a significant addition to our world-class busway network which moves more than 60 million people each year."

She said the package included 31 new buses, 12 new bus stops and five new bus routes, including two new high frequency bus routes - route 222 (Carindale-Roma St) and 590 (Garden City-Number One Airport Drive).

"These services will also target crowded buses around Carindale and UQ St Lucia," she said.

The main service on the Eastern Busway extension is the 222, which will run every 10 minutes in peak and every 15 minutes off peak between 6am and 11pm.

Other eastern bus improvements include:

    New peak P217 route servicing Carindale, Camp Hill, Carina, Benetts Road, Coorparoo, Langland's Park, Stones Corner, Buranda via Captain Cook Bridge and terminating in the city at Queen and Wharf Streets (Riverside);
    New peak-hour feeder route 213 (Cannon Hill to Carindale via Belmont);
    New peak hour route P205 (Scrub Road-city via Winstanley and Samuel Streets);
    New high frequency, cross-town route 590 (Garden City-Number One Airport Drive) via Carindale, Cannon Hill, Metroplex, Trade Coast Central and the Gateway Motorway; and
    New inner city bus route 29 (Woolloongabba busway-UQ Lakes Bus Station) every 15 minutes during university semester.

Member for Greenslopes Cameron Dick said residents were looking forward to the completion of the project in coming months.

"Residents have been extremely patient since construction began in late 2009," he said.

"But the end result will be a fast, frequent and reliable public transport link that will take thousands of cars off our roads."

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2011, 04:46:21 PM »
Sounds like they are going to be unwilling to have the 200 and 209 use this new infrastructure.

222 is yet another route 88!  Therefore more mediocrity.  :thsdo

P205 seems fine, but I'm confused by P217.  Isn't that the P207, presumably with a more sensible O/B route.

213 is interesting.  How's it different to the P216/215, except not going to the CBD?

29 seems a good idea, but too short a route.

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« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2011, 04:51:07 PM »
waste of money, what was the point of building it if the carindale routes arent moved to it
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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2011, 04:52:30 PM »
Why are there now two BUZ's to Carindale? Or did I read it wrong?
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« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2011, 06:05:27 PM »
More wasteful duplication. The 200 is already a BUZ. There is no need for the 222 to become a BUZ as well. Why not do some magical renumbering of the 200 to the 222 and just can the 200? Better yet, introduce a limited-stops peak-hour route to complement the 222.

On the positive side though, the 590 sounds like a fantastic idea! It also seems like they're re-routing the 209 through the new busway, hence the need for route 29.
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« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2011, 06:27:48 PM »
More wasteful duplication. The 200 is already a BUZ. There is no need for the 222 to become a BUZ as well. Why not do some magical renumbering of the 200 to the 222 and just can the 200? Better yet, introduce a limited-stops peak-hour route to complement the 222.

On the positive side though, the 590 sounds like a fantastic idea! It also seems like they're re-routing the 209 through the new busway, hence the need for route 29.

It's a bloody improvement on when the last section of the inner northern busway was opened!

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2011, 07:54:17 PM »
More wasteful duplication. The 200 is already a BUZ. There is no need for the 222 to become a BUZ as well. Why not do some magical renumbering of the 200 to the 222 and just can the 200? Better yet, introduce a limited-stops peak-hour route to complement the 222.

On the positive side though, the 590 sounds like a fantastic idea! It also seems like they're re-routing the 209 through the new busway, hence the need for route 29.

It's a bloody improvement on when the last section of the inner northern busway was opened!

Or the idiocy surrounding the boggo road busway lol
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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2011, 09:14:30 PM »
More wasteful duplication. The 200 is already a BUZ. There is no need for the 222 to become a BUZ as well. Why not do some magical renumbering of the 200 to the 222 and just can the 200? Better yet, introduce a limited-stops peak-hour route to complement the 222.

On the positive side though, the 590 sounds like a fantastic idea! It also seems like they're re-routing the 209 through the new busway, hence the need for route 29.

It's a bloody improvement on when the last section of the inner northern busway was opened!

Or the idiocy surrounding the boggo road busway lol


Yes, it does seem like TransLink is finally being PRO-active in fully utilising new infrastructure, rather being RE-active. Perhaps they are finding it easier to add routes, rather than messing with existing ones due to commuter backlash - e.g. the Ipswich restructure.
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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2011, 10:40:45 PM »
Oh goodness me, how many more eastern bus routes do we really need? They'll have the whole range of 200-217 numbers covered!

There's a downside to adding more bus routes. We're getting to the point where the similar eastern routes seem to have their own confusing little variations. The 200 and current 222 are the same from Cultural Centre to Carindale interchange, with the exception that the 222 passes, but doesn't serve Woolloongabba. The new 222 looks like it will just deviate via Buranda/Stones Corner/Langlands Park. I think it's better to reroute the 200 and BUZ another route that serves the Gabba, since they're very similar.

206 and 207 are the same from Captain Cook Bridge to Carina, after which the 207 terminates and 206 continues onto Gallipoli Rd and makes a few turns through Carina Heights before terminating at Carina Depot. The new 217 is different from the 207 in that it appears to turn off at Bennets Rd, before Carina. But why aren't we rationalising these 3 routes into 2 and running them all on the new busway?

205 - looks like it might be a shortened non-rocket version of 201, since that also goes via Winstanley and Samuel Sts. I wouldn't be surprised if it's also similar to route 208 but longer and straighter. Again rationalisation might be needed.

29 - this looks like the UQ part of the 109+66 idea that was floating around the forum. But this only makes sense if 209 is rerouted.

590  - a nice surprise and a great concept, but will need more details before we know how good it really is. I'd suggest they extend it to Toombul shopping centre for more connections, which will be more useful at night.
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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2011, 11:02:42 PM »

590  - a nice surprise and a great concept, but will need more details before we know how good it really is. I'd suggest they extend it to Toombul shopping centre for more connections, which will be more useful at night.

Couldn't you just extend the hours and frequency of route 308 with a connection available onto the 590 for any passengers continuing on?

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« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2011, 11:05:35 PM »

590  - a nice surprise and a great concept, but will need more details before we know how good it really is. I'd suggest they extend it to Toombul shopping centre for more connections, which will be more useful at night.

Couldn't you just extend the hours of route 308 with a connection available onto the 590 for any passengers continuing on?

To hard, as such I will propose the 309, which will run in conjunction with the 308 but then connect with the 590  ;D
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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2011, 09:16:43 AM »
OMG!!  Bus improvements in the Eastern suburbs!!!   As I live in this area this is very near and dear to my heart.

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I think that this is a good idea but only if its extended to Chandler.  It beggers belief that there is a ready made commuter car park of an equivalent size (or bigger) to 8 mile plains and it sits basically unused.  If Redlands commuters can park their cars at Chandler, think of the ease to congestion on Old Cleveland Rd!

   New peak P217 route servicing Carindale, Camp Hill, Carina, Benetts Road, Coorparoo, Langland's Park, Stones Corner, Buranda via Captain Cook Bridge and terminating in the city at Queen and Wharf Streets (Riverside);

This must absolutely service the Meadowlands Road/Preston Road area.  The medium density developments out there are very numerous and do not have any decent service at all.  All the more depressing when there is bus depot within 1-2 kms of it and of all the wasted air used on dead heading down Stanley Rd!!  Even the 204 is a bit of a walk from the townhouse developments on the northern side of Meadowlands Rd.  Assuming it goes down Stanley Rd, my idea would be to use Fursden Rd and Preston Rd and (if necessary) follow the 215 route to Carindale.

    New peak-hour feeder route 213 (Cannon Hill to Carindale via Belmont);

I think this is warranted as long as it starts early enough, although why they don't just use the 215 number and start it from Cannon Hill is beyond me.  The P216 often gets stuck in traffic from Morningside station and I dare say that even with the connection, the trip would be quicker overall (I sometimes catch the school service 204 which starts from Tingalpa particularly if I know there is congestion on Wynnum Rd).   Although I think it would be much better for it to come from Bognor St, Tingalpa which is a public transport wasteland. Wynnum Rd between Tingalpa and Cannon Hill is also served by 227 and P221 and connections can be made to Carindale on the GCL/590 at Cannon Hill (which would also be faster IMHO).

    New peak hour route P205 (Scrub Road-city via Winstanley and Samuel Streets);

Not sure about this one, it seems like a waste of a number and added complexity if it is just a short working P201.  Much better I would have thought for that number to be a full time Cityxpress equivalent to the P217 (having regard to my suggestions above).

    New high frequency, cross-town route 590 (Garden City-Number One Airport Drive) via Carindale, Cannon Hill, Metroplex, Trade Coast Central and the Gateway Motorway; and

My goodness - a cross town service!!!  This would definitely be useful for Cannon Hill-Carindale-Garden City connections and provides a sorely needed public transport option for Multiplex.  It would be useful for it to also connect to the train, although that would require a dog leg around Cannon Hill station which would slow the trip down.

    New inner city bus route 29 (Woolloongabba busway-UQ Lakes Bus Station) every 15 minutes during university semester.

I think this is a good idea, but extend to Wynnum Rd (even if its just Mowbray Pk/East Brisbane) as previously suggested would be even better.

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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2011, 10:22:37 AM »
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New high frequency, cross-town route 590 (Garden City-Number One Airport Drive) via Carindale, Cannon Hill, Metroplex, Trade Coast Central and the Gateway Motorway;
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New inner city bus route 29 (Woolloongabba busway-UQ Lakes Bus Station)
What?? Why do we need this when we have route 209 ???
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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2011, 10:26:25 AM »
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I think that this is a good idea but only if its extended to Chandler.  It beggers belief that there is a ready made commuter car park of an equivalent size (or bigger) to 8 mile plains and it sits basically unused.  If Redlands commuters can park their cars at Chandler, think of the ease to congestion on Old Cleveland Rd!
I would go further and say that it needs to go at least to Capalaba.  Of course, the really sensible idea would be to have half of these services continue along the 250 route and the other half along the 270 route, or something like that, but such a thing would never be done in SEQ.

I also think it is a poor showing that the 222 will leave from KGSBS but the 200 will still leave from QSBS.

  New peak P217 route servicing Carindale, Camp Hill, Carina, Benetts Road, Coorparoo, Langland's Park, Stones Corner, Buranda via Captain Cook Bridge and terminating in the city at Queen and Wharf Streets (Riverside);

This must absolutely service the Meadowlands Road/Preston Road area.  The medium density developments out there are very numerous and do not have any decent service at all.  All the more depressing when there is bus depot within 1-2 kms of it and of all the wasted air used on dead heading down Stanley Rd!!  Even the 204 is a bit of a walk from the townhouse developments on the northern side of Meadowlands Rd.  Assuming it goes down Stanley Rd, my idea would be to use Fursden Rd and Preston Rd and (if necessary) follow the 215 route to Carindale.
I think the P217 is to serve the O-C Rd corridor.  However, I do take your point about the Meadowlands Rd corridor.  I think the solution is to modify the tail of the 210 to extend along Meadowlands Rd to Carindale via 204 route and BUZ it.  I'm also confused about why the 204 doesn't run along Russell Ave, Macrossan Ave & Crown St.  I'd also can the 212.



    New peak hour route P205 (Scrub Road-city via Winstanley and Samuel Streets);

Not sure about this one, it seems like a waste of a number and added complexity if it is just a short working P201.  Much better I would have thought for that number to be a full time Cityxpress equivalent to the P217 (having regard to my suggestions above).
It's not that though.  The P201 is non stop between Carindale interchange and Buranda.  This actually provides a reasonable peak hour service in that corridor.

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New inner city bus route 29 (Woolloongabba busway-UQ Lakes Bus Station)
What?? Why do we need this when we have route 209 ???
I am presuming that the 209 will go via Buranda.

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2011, 12:20:25 PM »
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I think that this is a good idea but only if its extended to Chandler.  It beggers belief that there is a ready made commuter car park of an equivalent size (or bigger) to 8 mile plains and it sits basically unused.  If Redlands commuters can park their cars at Chandler, think of the ease to congestion on Old Cleveland Rd!
I would go further and say that it needs to go at least to Capalaba.  Of course, the really sensible idea would be to have half of these services continue along the 250 route and the other half along the 270 route, or something like that, but such a thing would never be done in SEQ.

I would endorse an extension to Capalaba.  If Browns Plains can have BUZes, why not Capalaba?

   New peak P217 route servicing Carindale, Camp Hill, Carina, Benetts Road, Coorparoo, Langland's Park, Stones Corner, Buranda via Captain Cook Bridge and terminating in the city at Queen and Wharf Streets (Riverside);

This must absolutely service the Meadowlands Road/Preston Road area.  The medium density developments out there are very numerous and do not have any decent service at all.  All the more depressing when there is bus depot within 1-2 kms of it and of all the wasted air used on dead heading down Stanley Rd!!  Even the 204 is a bit of a walk from the townhouse developments on the northern side of Meadowlands Rd.  Assuming it goes down Stanley Rd, my idea would be to use Fursden Rd and Preston Rd and (if necessary) follow the 215 route to Carindale.
I think the P217 is to serve the O-C Rd corridor.  However, I do take your point about the Meadowlands Rd corridor.  I think the solution is to modify the tail of the 210 to extend along Meadowlands Rd to Carindale via 204 route and BUZ it.  I'm also confused about why the 204 doesn't run along Russell Ave, Macrossan Ave & Crown St.  I'd also can the 212.

If that is the case then I think its a silly idea - how many more services does Old Cleveland Road need?!  Two things which caused me to think that it would be a Stanley Rd service: the number and the reference to Bennetts Rd. 

I would not endorse a change to the 210.  I think its a good link between Carina and Cannon Hill and is the only City bound service (with the P211) which serves Creek Rd between Stanley Rd and Cannon Hill.  I'm not sure its high priority to be BUZed.

I've been thinking about what to do with the 212.  Its the only service which covers Oateson Skyline Dve (although does it badly) and is the only link between that area, Stanley Rd and Carindale.  My cross town Bulimba-Carindale route might assist with that though.  Maybe send it through Bennetts Rd past the cemetary to Wynnum Rd and then via Story Bridge?  That would be a far more direct route to the City and provide useful route between Wynnum Rd, CityCats/Ferry and Carindale.


    New peak hour route P205 (Scrub Road-city via Winstanley and Samuel Streets);

Not sure about this one, it seems like a waste of a number and added complexity if it is just a short working P201.  Much better I would have thought for that number to be a full time Cityxpress equivalent to the P217 (having regard to my suggestions above).
It's not that thought.  The P201 is non stop between Carindale interchange and Buranda.  This actually provides a reasonable peak hour service in that corridor.

OK I think I get it, will there be duplication between that and the P208 then?

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New inner city bus route 29 (Woolloongabba busway-UQ Lakes Bus Station)
What?? Why do we need this when we have route 209 ???
I am presuming that the 209 will go via Buranda.

I also thought that (and to be honest should be occurring now). 

I think it should be numbered 229, with the hope that its extended in the future.  Otherwise (subject to resolving the right hand turn from Main St to the busway), it could run via Main St and Valley to the RWBH.  It would be even more useful if it used Buranda station (which I think is possible by using the O'Keefe St exit) as it would provide a direct connection between the SEB proper/Cleveland line and the Gabba.  I appreciate that connections could be made at Mater Hill/Boggo Rd respectively so not wedded to the idea.

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Re: Eastern Busway
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2011, 01:22:25 PM »
Otherwise (subject to resolving the right hand turn from Main St to the busway), it could run via Main St and Valley to the RWBH.  It would be even more useful if it used Buranda station (which I think is possible by using the O'Keefe St exit) as it would provide a direct connection between the SEB proper/Cleveland line and the Gabba.  I appreciate that connections could be made at Mater Hill/Boggo Rd respectively so not wedded to the idea.
I wouldn't support such a route i.e. UQ-RB&WH via Storey Bridge.  It wouldn't allow interchange to Wynnum Rd routes, unless I'm mistaken.  Getting to Wynnum Rd from 'Gabba can be done via Wellington Rd a la 230/235.

 

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