Level crossings and Grade separation - level crossing removal

[ozbob]

 

[Derwan]

I still believe a certain amount of psychology is at play.  People see the flashing lights just as they do an amber light at an intersection with traffic lights.  The lowering of the boom gate is the red light.  How many people speed up to catch the amber?

I'm convinced that if you added traffic lights at every level crossing, there would be a lot fewer boom gate incidents.

People would treat them like normal intersections... amber.... stop if you can or race the lights.... then red.... you have to stop.  Then the boom gates come down.  It wouldn't matter so much if you mistimed it and went through just as the lights turned red.

This would also make it a lot easier to identify exactly when it becomes an offence.  With flashing lights, you have to stop if you can in time... which means it's not actually an offence to go through flashing lights.  People only get caught once they actually hit the boom gate!  If you had traffic lights on level crossings, you could put red light cameras at higher-risk crossings and actually issue offence notices.

Doubling the fine is a typical government response to make it look like they're doing something.  They're not!  Traffic lights could be installed at a fraction of the cost of grade separation and may end up paying for themselves by reducing the number of incidents!

[somebody]

What is the on the spot fine going to be?

[ozbob]

Don't know yet ...

Lots of media interest, 4bc weekend mornings did a session, news river city fm, nine news ..


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[ozbob]

It is an offence to pass the red flashing lights, be it in a vehicle foot or bike but agree traffic signals will help. Definitely helps wacol ..

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[ozbob]

From the Brisbanetimes click here!

Fines for ignoring rail crossing warnings doubled

Fines for ignoring rail crossing warnings doubled
October 14, 2012 - 12:49PM Tony Moore

Motorists or pedestrians who ignore warnings that a train is approaching a rail crossing and race into it can now be fined $8800, a frustrated Transport Minister Scott Emerson has announced this morning.

The maximum fine has been doubled - up from $4400 - after a string of incidents last week caused accidents and triggered hours of transport congestion.

''I have had a gutful of drivers who ignore the rules and go into these areas causing incidents at our level crossings,'' Mr Emerson said.

''These idiots cause massive disruption to our public transport system,'' he said.

"That is why I think it is quite appropriate to damage the maximum penalty to $8800.''

The state government will also chase the motorists - or the pedestrians - for any cost of damage to boom gates.

''That is on top of any damage they have to pay for to pay for to our (rail) infrastructure, and possibly losing their licenses if they are found to have been dangerously or recklessly driving.''

brisbanetimes.com.au on Saturday posed similar questions to Mr Emerson after two lobby groups; the RACQ and Rail: Back on Track, debated tougher penalties.

The new regulation - added to the Transport Act's existing regulations - will come into effect from next month.

In the past 12 months, boom gates have been struck by vehicles 194 times and 180,000 rail commuters have been delayed.

The higher fines cannot be applied retrospectively, Mr Emerson said, but he warned that the Transport Department would still seek money from about 60 motorists who had previously ignored signs.

The tougher fines would apply even at rail crossings where there were no flashing lights, Mr Emerson warned.

''Yes, the fine is for entering a level crossing area,'' Mr Emerson said.

''As you appreciate many of our level crossings - the majority of them - are 'open','' he said, meaning without boom gates.

Queensland Transport is investigating radio break-in technology, so that drivers get a warning on their vehicle's radio as they approach a rail crossing.

The department may also embed lights in the road near rail crossings which will light up as a train approaches.

Mr Emerson said the government would strongly consider major changes to more level crossings after finishing work at two Brisbane level crossings at a cost of around $240 million.

The State Government is now co-funding overpasses at Telegraph Road at Bracken Ridge and Robinson Road at Geebung, an election promise in March 2012.

''We will obviously look forward to doing more of that, but it is not cheap to do," Mr Emerson said, putting  figure of $240 million on the two level crossings.

''So (while) they are easy to do, they are not inexpensive to do,'' he said.

Rail: Back in Track spokesman Robert Dow said doubling the fines was a step in the right direction.

Mr Dow proposed putting portable traffic signals at other open level crossings because motorists ''instinctively'' followed traffic signals and waited until lights turned green.

''The penalties are only part of it, really,'' Mr Dow said.

He also suggested taking an aggressive media campaign to truck drivers; at heavy vehicle loading stations, large car parks and petrol stations.

Mr Dow suggested a big display on the danger of rat-running rail crossings at Brisbane's Central train station was ''preaching to the converted''.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/fines-for-ignoring-rail-crossing-warnings-doubled-20121014-27knb.html

[somebody]

I never knew that there was already a fine of $4400 which could be levied.  If that is correct, was it just not applied, or did we not hear about it?

[ozbob]

I never knew that there was already a fine of $4400 which could be levied.  If that is correct, was it just not applied, or did we not hear about it?

It was a maximum, most seem to just get a ticket written out - doesn't go through the higher legal system unless injury/fatality. 

I hope they start to ramp them up even if no injury etc.

[ozbob]

Traffic lights at railroad crossing

On US 127 north of Lansing


Wacol

[Derwan]

It is an offence to pass the red flashing lights, be it in a vehicle foot or bike but agree traffic signals will help. Definitely helps wacol ..

So what happens if you're 10 metres from the control line travelling at 60km/h and the lights start flashing?  It would be impossible to stop in time.  Does that mean you've technically broken the law?  Any decision to prosecute is then subject to a determination of whether the vehicle could've stopped in time and whether the driver should've been able to react in time.

This is the whole idea of the amber light at traffic lights - otherwise they'd just have green and red.  This is what's needed at level crossings.

[Golliwog]

It is an offence to pass the red flashing lights, be it in a vehicle foot or bike but agree traffic signals will help. Definitely helps wacol ..

So what happens if you're 10 metres from the control line travelling at 60km/h and the lights start flashing?  It would be impossible to stop in time.  Does that mean you've technically broken the law?  Any decision to prosecute is then subject to a determination of whether the vehicle could've stopped in time and whether the driver should've been able to react in time.

This is the whole idea of the amber light at traffic lights - otherwise they'd just have green and red.  This is what's needed at level crossings.

I assume it's at the discretion of the police as to whether you could have stopped or not. That said, I wonder how much safety they have built into them (ie: how long before the train arrives must the boom be down?). I would assume that there is a set 'reaction time' from when the lights start flashing before the boom starts lowering, after which I think it would become appropriate to fine people for entering the crossing. I know traffic lights have safety built in that after it goes amber then red, all lights remain red for a few seconds (slightly different for each intersection, it's the time it should take any vehicle that entered the intersection right when the light went red to clear the other side of it before another approach is given a green).

[HappyTrainGuy]

The train usually trips the signal for the level crossing futher out. Each level crossing is different due to curves, track speed, stations, how many tracks, road layout, express or all stopper etc. I'll use Carseldine as that's a crossing that I see people ignoring the lights alot (last time someone took out the boomgates was a couple weeks ago). Its in 60,70,90,100kph zones. Heading north the train pretty much trips the level crossing back at Zillmere. The lights usually flash for approx 15-20 seconds before the boomgates start to lower. There is then another 15-20 seconds before the express passes the level crossing and about 20-25 seconds before the all stopper train passes the level crossing. Citybound is similar with the lights activating while the train is still well out from the station travelling at speed. All stoppers will activate the level crossing about 70-90 seconds... sometimes more as they activate before the train has stopped at the station. Pedestrian gates close approx 10 seconds after the lights are first activated. One thing I have noticed using Carseldine and Strathpine are that many people that frequently use those level crossings tend to abuse the waiting time before they lower. Example as i was about to go thru the Strathpine level crossing the person infront saw them activate from about 70m away (just at the kink) and started to slow down. The person on my right maintained the speed limit and continued on like normal with the gates lowering a couple seconds later.

[ozbob]

It is an offence to pass the red flashing lights, be it in a vehicle foot or bike but agree traffic signals will help. Definitely helps wacol ..

So what happens if you're 10 metres from the control line travelling at 60km/h and the lights start flashing?  It would be impossible to stop in time.  Does that mean you've technically broken the law?  Any decision to prosecute is then subject to a determination of whether the vehicle could've stopped in time and whether the driver should've been able to react in time.

This is the whole idea of the amber light at traffic lights - otherwise they'd just have green and red.  This is what's needed at level crossings.

Yes I hear you but it is technically an offence.  Obviously some discretion is needed and is probably given.  Technically it is an offence to go through a yellow light, believe it or not.  Discretion is also given there.

The reason it is an offence is to stop people taking off early and the like.

Ultimately it is the responsibility of drivers to approach crossings and traffic lights at speeds that do allow them to stop.

[ozbob]

From the Couriermail Quest click here!

Rail Back on Track calls for tougher penalties for drivers who hit railway bridges after major network disruptions

Rail Back on Track calls for tougher penalties for drivers who hit railway bridges after major network disruptions

    by: Sherine Conyers, City News
    From: Quest Newspapers
    October 15, 2012 12:00AM

RAIL back on track is calling for tougher penalties for drivers who fail to view height clearances and hit railway bridges.

The call follows a 24-hour period of chaos on Friday where multiple train lines were disrupted after incidences involving vehicles at bridges and boom gates.

Yesterday the Sunday Mail revealed drivers who crashed through boom gates could be slapped with an $8800 fine under new penalties announced by the State Government.

But RBOT wants tougher penalties for drivers who fail to check height clearances as well.

On Friday trains on the Ipswich line were suspended between Goodna and Gailes train stations, due to a truck hitting the rail bridge at Layard Street, Goodna.

Another incident at Beams Road near Sunshine saw overhead powerlines come down.

And trains on the Beenleigh and Gold Coast lines were suspended between Fruitgrove and Kuraby, due to a vehicle hitting the boom gate at the Warrigal Road level crossing, Fruitgrove.

RBOT says commuters are tired of having their services disrupted and lives put at risk by drivers who fail to check height clearances.

Spokesman Robert Dow said those who hit cross-bridges should incur full recovery costs.

"Clearly, the present system of drivers theoretically knowing the traveling height and width of their vehicle before they start a journey is not working. Warning signs are ignored."

"There is increasing frustration at the local government level and within the public transport community generally at the failure to roll out solutions to fix this problem," he said.

Transport and Main Roads Minister Scott Emerson said the State Government was committed to stepping up efforts to target careless drivers who damaged infrastructure.

"We are fed up with the costly damage and will continue to pursue drivers for the repair costs of infrastructure.

"We ask that people obey the warning signs and signals and stop – this could save them not only money but also their life," he said.

"It can sometimes costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to repair infrastructure particularly impatient or inattentive drivers that ignore warning signals and crash into boom gates."

In the 2011/12 financial year, Queensland Rail recorded 80 incidents where boom gates were struck by vehicles on the city network.

Queensland Rail has so far had 38 successful claims, recovering more than $200,000 since July 2010 but a further 63 claims will now be pursued.

[ozbob]

Queensland Times Comment 15th October 2012

The boom falls with tough laws on rail crossings

Harsher penalties for drivers who cause chaos on the rail network through their careless and reckless actions will hopefully get the message that ignoring rail crossing signals will not be tolerated.

The State Government has announced a new offence that doubles the penalty for drivers who ignore rail crossing signals and damage boom gates or bridges.

Guilty drivers will now face a maximum penalty of an $8800 fine and will also have to foot the bill for repairs for any damage caused by their actions and risk losing their licence.

In the past years, there were almost 200 boom gate strikes, forcing thousands of commuters to put with the inconvenience of being stranded getting to or from work when  rail services have been delayed or cancelled.

While tougher penalties might not deter all irresponsible motorists from ignoring the rules at rail crossing, hopefully it will make them pay dearly for it.

[somebody]

This is the whole idea of the amber light at traffic lights - otherwise they'd just have green and red.  This is what's needed at level crossings.

You must stop at a yellow if you can do so safely.

From the road rules:

57 Stopping for a yellow traffic light or arrow
(1) A driver who is approaching, or at, traffic lights showing a
yellow traffic light—
(a) must stop—
(i) if there is a stop line at or near the traffic lights and
the driver can stop safely before reaching the stop
line—as near as practicable to, and before
reaching, the stop line; or
(ii) if there is no stop line at or near the traffic lights
and the driver can stop safely before reaching the
traffic lights—as near as practicable to, and before
reaching, the nearest traffic lights; or
(iii) if the traffic lights are at an intersection and the
driver can not stop safely under subparagraph (i) or
(ii), but can stop safely before entering the
intersection—before entering the intersection; and
(b) must not proceed until the traffic lights—
(i) change to green or flashing yellow; or
(ii) show no traffic light.
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.

[Derwan]

You must stop at a yellow if you can do so safely.

Exactly my point. Just like flashing lights at level crossings. Stop if you can.

Flashing lights = yellow traffic light

Rules aside, we all know what happens when lights turn yellow. Some people do the right thing and stop if they can. Others try to get through before the light turns red.

At level crossings, there's no red light... just a boom gate that comes down. Try to beat them as you would a red and the consequences are worse if you don't time it right.

If we put traffic lights at level crossings, people would treat them like other traffic lights. Some might rush through on the yellow before it turns red. The difference this time is that if you don't time it right, you only risk getting a ticket rather than creating mayhem on the rail network.

[ozbob]

Yes, I think they need to do more with traffic lights.  High tech solutions are good for spin, but they are bypassing the simple obvious solutions ... and there are examples in Brisbane!

Bit like the BIDS.  Interesting technology, but ultimately it doesn't stop the strike.  What will is a steel beam ...

[somebody]

Exactly my point. Just like flashing lights at level crossings. Stop if you can.

Flashing lights = yellow traffic light

There is no such phase for LXs.  Perhaps there should be.  As someone pointed out, if the lights start flashing 0.1s before you enter the crossing you have technically committed an offence.

[Derwan]

Exactly my point. Just like flashing lights at level crossings. Stop if you can.

Flashing lights = yellow traffic light

There is no such phase for LXs.  Perhaps there should be.  As someone pointed out, if the lights start flashing 0.1s before you enter the crossing you have technically committed an offence.

Exactly!

Flashing lights are based on old technology. If a train is in a certain section of track, the lights flash. For whatever reason this system has never kept up with the times.

Smarter technology today means we could have real traffic lights at every level crossing. Why should we have two different methods of signalling drivers to stop?  Sure, keep the flashing lights there for added safety but standardise the rules by having traffic lights. Safer, clearer and less chance of causing mayhem.

[huddo45]

Bit like the BIDS.  Interesting technology, but ultimately it doesn't stop the strike.  What will is a steel beam ...

How about this?

[ozbob]

Good attempt, but unfortunately idiocy is a pandemic ...

[achiruel]

There is no such phase for LXs.  Perhaps there should be.  As someone pointed out, if the lights start flashing 0.1s before you enter the crossing you have technically committed an offence.

Which may have been why my driving instructor advised me to slow down & look for trains when approaching a level crossing -  whether there were lights &/or boom gates operational or not.

[somebody]

Interestingly, the UK seems to have what Derwan is suggesting: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069864

[somebody]

PhD thesis on Level Crossing driver behaviour, if it is interesting: http://eprints.qut.edu.au/17831/

[Derwan]

PhD thesis on Level Crossing driver behaviour, if it is interesting: http://eprints.qut.edu.au/17831/

Can you sum it up for us?

[HappyTrainGuy]

PhD thesis on Level Crossing driver behaviour, if it is interesting: http://eprints.qut.edu.au/17831/

Can you sum it up for us?

"This summary is not available online. Please consult the hardcopy thesis available from the QUT library". 

[somebody]

PhD thesis on Level Crossing driver behaviour, if it is interesting: http://eprints.qut.edu.au/17831/

Can you sum it up for us?

I'd have to read the thesis first.  I only read the abstract.

[SurfRail]

Take Todd Road, Lawnton off any to do list.  The Francis Road 4 lane bridge currently under construction will take most of the pressure off Todd Road as they are only a couple of hundred metres apart.

I've just looked at the plans for this.  Why isn't Todds Road LX being closed?

[red dragin]

Take Todd Road, Lawnton off any to do list.  The Francis Road 4 lane bridge currently under construction will take most of the pressure off Todd Road as they are only a couple of hundred metres apart.

I've just looked at the plans for this.  Why isn't Todds Road LX being closed?

That would make sense, which is still a policy in the early stages of development in Queensland 

[HappyTrainGuy]

One guess would be the new bus routes Translink are trialing.

[ozbob]

Interesting article ...

Railway Gazette --> Complex Tokyo grade-separation project completed

[ozbob]

Sent to outlets:

4th November 2012

Level crossings ....

Greetings,

Another serious level crossing incident at Dandenong South Victoria -->   http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=9221.0

Governments all over Australia are kidding themselves if they think their safety campaigns and token fines and sanctions are effective.  They are not.  Near misses continue to increase and the risks resulting from idiots loose on the roads with killing machines just exacerbates.

The Victorian Premier has described it as a tragedy. How true ... a tragedy how successive governments have allowed festering grade separation issues to remain unresolved,  a tragedy how they have failed to enforce basic road rules with aggressive fines and serious sanctions.  Red light running is all too common as the tally of hundreds of near misses reported by operators all over mounts.

In Victoria as reported in the Melbourne Age  http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/safety-fears-after-fatal-crash-20121103-28qir.html

" ... Last week, Fairfax revealed a significant increase in near misses between trains and vehicles at Victorian level crossings, with Dandenong recording the highest number of incidents.

Across the state, there were 170 near misses in 2011-12, compared with 146 the previous year. The number of incidents involving trains and track-side workers at level crossings went from 160 to 290 in that time.

Dandenong recorded nine near misses between vehicles and trains, Noble Park seven, and Springvale four, leading to concerns of increasing motorist frustration along the heavily congested Dandenong corridor. ... "

It is only going to get worse as traffic intensity, train and road increases.  Yes, tragedy all right Premier, yours and governments past and present all over Australia ...

Universal grade separation is not going occur anytime soon.  Governments need to get fair dinkum, level crossing breaches first offence  minimum 12 months licence suspension, second offence life.  This will greatly assist no doubt in bringing these idiots under control.

Place traffic signals additional to the standard railway crossing warning lights, booms and signs on approaches to higher risk crossings.  See here for some examples -->  http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=2391.msg110697#msg110697

More needs to be done in terms of education - more education targeted directly to motorists and heavy vehicle operators, and of course ongoing grade separation.  Prominent ' red light ' cameras.

Pedestrians and cyclists also need to obey rules and regulations.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

[SurfRail]

There are HEAPS of level crossings which should just be closed, full stop.  No grade-sepping, no alternative access - just close them and wall them off.

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

6th November 2012

Re: Level crossings ....

Greetings,

Train drivers in Melbourne upset, and rightly so -->  Train drivers blame motorists ignoring signals  http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/train-drivers-blame-motorists-ignoring-signals-20121105-28u3z.html

Time Governments faced up to the reality of 172 level crossings on the suburban network in Melbourne, 54 on the suburban network in Brisbane and around 10 in Sydney.

There are thousands more of course throughout the country.

The issue is motorists who drive without proper care and attention, and those who ignore red lights  and speed through closing crossings and some who actually drive around down boom gates!

Grade separation is utopia and is not going to be achieved in our life times.  So get real and force motorists, heavy vehicle operators and others to obey the safety laws and regulations.  If they don't, ban them for life.

People who do not obey basic road rules are best off the road and on the train.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Sent to outlets:

4th November 2012

Level crossings ....

Greetings,

Another serious level crossing incident at Dandenong South Victoria -->   http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=9221.0

Governments all over Australia are kidding themselves if they think their safety campaigns and token fines and sanctions are effective.  They are not.  Near misses continue to increase and the risks resulting from idiots loose on the roads with killing machines just exacerbates.

The Victorian Premier has described it as a tragedy. How true ... a tragedy how successive governments have allowed festering grade separation issues to remain unresolved,  a tragedy how they have failed to enforce basic road rules with aggressive fines and serious sanctions.  Red light running is all too common as the tally of hundreds of near misses reported by operators all over mounts.

In Victoria as reported in the Melbourne Age  http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/safety-fears-after-fatal-crash-20121103-28qir.html

" ... Last week, Fairfax revealed a significant increase in near misses between trains and vehicles at Victorian level crossings, with Dandenong recording the highest number of incidents.

Across the state, there were 170 near misses in 2011-12, compared with 146 the previous year. The number of incidents involving trains and track-side workers at level crossings went from 160 to 290 in that time.

Dandenong recorded nine near misses between vehicles and trains, Noble Park seven, and Springvale four, leading to concerns of increasing motorist frustration along the heavily congested Dandenong corridor. ... "

It is only going to get worse as traffic intensity, train and road increases.  Yes, tragedy all right Premier, yours and governments past and present all over Australia ...

Universal grade separation is not going occur anytime soon.  Governments need to get fair dinkum, level crossing breaches first offence  minimum 12 months licence suspension, second offence life.  This will greatly assist no doubt in bringing these idiots under control.

Place traffic signals additional to the standard railway crossing warning lights, booms and signs on approaches to higher risk crossings.  See here for some examples -->  http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=2391.msg110697#msg110697

More needs to be done in terms of education - more education targeted directly to motorists and heavy vehicle operators, and of course ongoing grade separation.  Prominent ' red light ' cameras.

Pedestrians and cyclists also need to obey rules and regulations.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

[ozbob]

Sent all outlets:

11th November 2012

Level crossings ....

Greetings,

Train drivers in Melbourne upset, and rightly so -->  Train drivers blame motorists ignoring signals  http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/train-drivers-blame-motorists-ignoring-signals-20121105-28u3z.html

Time Governments faced up to the reality of 172 level crossings on the suburban network in Melbourne, 54 on the suburban network in Brisbane and around 10 in Sydney.

There are thousands more of course throughout the country.

The issue is motorists who drive without proper care and attention, and those who ignore red lights  and speed through closing crossings and some who actually drive around down boom gates!

Grade separation is utopia and is not going to be achieved in our life times.  So get real and force motorists, heavy vehicle operators and others to obey the safety laws and regulations.  If they don't, ban them for life.

People who do not obey basic road rules are best off the road and on the train.  Time you toughened up Ministers for Transport everywhere.  You need to act, and act now!  The next episode of carnage will be blood on your hands.  It is clear what needs to be done.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

=======================

4th November 2012

Level crossings ....

Greetings,

Another serious level crossing incident at Dandenong South Victoria -->   http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=9221.0

Governments all over Australia are kidding themselves if they think their safety campaigns and token fines and sanctions are effective.  They are not.  Near misses continue to increase and the risks resulting from idiots loose on the roads with killing machines just exacerbates.

The Victorian Premier has described it as a tragedy. How true ... a tragedy how successive governments have allowed festering grade separation issues to remain unresolved,  a tragedy how they have failed to enforce basic road rules with aggressive fines and serious sanctions.  Red light running is all too common as the tally of hundreds of near misses reported by operators all over mounts.

In Victoria as reported in the Melbourne Age  http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/safety-fears-after-fatal-crash-20121103-28qir.html

" ... Last week, Fairfax revealed a significant increase in near misses between trains and vehicles at Victorian level crossings, with Dandenong recording the highest number of incidents.

Across the state, there were 170 near misses in 2011-12, compared with 146 the previous year. The number of incidents involving trains and track-side workers at level crossings went from 160 to 290 in that time.

Dandenong recorded nine near misses between vehicles and trains, Noble Park seven, and Springvale four, leading to concerns of increasing motorist frustration along the heavily congested Dandenong corridor. ... "

It is only going to get worse as traffic intensity, train and road increases.  Yes, tragedy all right Premier, yours and governments past and present all over Australia ...

Universal grade separation is not going occur anytime soon.  Governments need to get fair dinkum, level crossing breaches first offence  minimum 12 months licence suspension, second offence life.  This will greatly assist no doubt in bringing these idiots under control.

Place traffic signals additional to the standard railway crossing warning lights, booms and signs on approaches to higher risk crossings.  See here for some examples -->  http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=2391.msg110697#msg110697

More needs to be done in terms of education - more education targeted directly to motorists and heavy vehicle operators, and of course ongoing grade separation.  Prominent ' red light ' cameras.

Pedestrians and cyclists also need to obey rules and regulations.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

[ozbob]

[Gazza]

Where is that image from Bob? Have you got a larger version? Cant quite make out what the signs say.

[ozbob]

Where is that image from Bob? Have you got a larger version? Cant quite make out what the signs say.

Can't quite remember at the moment but it was part of some instructional thing, the image is actually reversed (was for USA), the signs say note, stop here or something to that effect.

[Golliwog]

Where is that image from Bob? Have you got a larger version? Cant quite make out what the signs say.

As Ozbob said (he beat me by a few seconds originally). From what I can make out, it says "Stop here on red"