Cross River Rail Project

[Jonno]

There is a new request to change the scope of works approved for the Roma Street station.

The change involves:

• closure of Herschel Street to vehicles between George and Roma streets
• adjusting signalised intersections, footpaths, cycle infrastructure and urban design to accommodate the new arrangements
• maintaining the Inner Northern Busway at its current location, removing the previously proposed design to shift the busway underground as part of the new Roma Street station
• maintaining the current intersection arrangement at Roma Street and Parkland Boulevard.

Again a huge opportunity missed to add separate bike and bus lanes along Roma and George Street (2-way).  TMR says it is pro cycling and public transport but just can't seem to put it on paper.

[verbatim9]

There is a new request to change the scope of works approved for the Roma Street station.

The change involves:

• closure of Herschel Street to vehicles between George and Roma streets
• adjusting signalised intersections, footpaths, cycle infrastructure and urban design to accommodate the new arrangements
• maintaining the Inner Northern Busway at its current location, removing the previously proposed design to shift the busway underground as part of the new Roma Street station
• maintaining the current intersection arrangement at Roma Street and Parkland Boulevard.

That's great and hopefully make the light phases quicker crossing Roma Street as a pedestrian or cyclist from the Courts to Parkland Boulevarde.

Long  wait times at the moment crossing that inspection .

[#Metro]

Again a huge opportunity missed to add separate bike and bus lanes along Roma and George Street (2-way).  TMR says it is pro cycling and public transport but just can't seem to put it on paper.

Agreed, Jonno. Roma street will be the first thing many will see when they first step off the train from the Airport.

Extra attention to make it look good would go handy.

[timh]

There is a new request to change the scope of works approved for the Roma Street station.

The change involves:

• closure of Herschel Street to vehicles between George and Roma streets
• adjusting signalised intersections, footpaths, cycle infrastructure and urban design to accommodate the new arrangements
• maintaining the Inner Northern Busway at its current location, removing the previously proposed design to shift the busway underground as part of the new Roma Street station
• maintaining the current intersection arrangement at Roma Street and Parkland Boulevard.

Super weird that this is only being made official in the documentation now, when we've known that the underground busway wasn't going to happen since 2021. Did someone at CRRDA just forget to update their paperwork?

[verbatim9]

Here is what they have planned for the intersection outside Roma Street Station.

[verbatim9]

Looks like they will have a new Bikeway on Roma Street on the court side.

Feedback and more illustrations here ---> https://crossriverrail.qld.gov.au/planning-environment/environment-approvals/eis-project-changes/

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> A path or two and a kangaroo: New plan to keep the CBD moving $

A busy CBD intersection is being redesigned to improve access to the new Cross River Rail station and make it easier for pedestrians and cyclists to navigate the traffic.

The intersection of George and Roma Streets, opposite the Transcontinental Hotel, would be transformed over a four-month period under a proposal to better support the train and bus station and other major developments planned for the area. ...

[Jonno]

Looks like they will have a new Bikeway on Roma Street on the court side.

Feedback and more illustrations here ---> https://crossriverrail.qld.gov.au/planning-environment/environment-approvals/eis-project-changes/

Is that the one that runs or ends straight into the bus lane??

[ozbob]

We are currently undertaking community consultation as part of a Request for Project Change related to traffic and...

Posted by Cross River Rail on Sunday 28 April 2024

[Jonno]

Does anyone know what "FOSD (??- it a bit blurry on the drawings) Access Provision" is and why it is signed with share the road.  It should be a fully pedestrianised area with cars as visitors if any.

[nathandavid88]

Does anyone know what "FOSD (??- it a bit blurry on the drawings) Access Provision" is and why it is signed with share the road.  It should be a fully pedestrianised area with cars as visitors if any.

FOSD = Future Over Station Development. It's the vehicle access point for whatever development is proposed for that site.

[Jonno]

Does anyone know what "FOSD (??- it a bit blurry on the drawings) Access Provision" is and why it is signed with share the road.  It should be a fully pedestrianised area with cars as visitors if any.

FOSD = Future Over Station Development. It's the vehicle access point for whatever development is proposed for that site.

Ahhh Perfect Thanks

[ozbob]

https://x.com/9NewsQueensland/status/1785955504461640016

[ozbob]

https://x.com/RailExpressNews/status/1787715266421706990

[ozbob]

The LNP have confirmed today that if they win the 2024 State Election they will rename Cross River Rail the ' Elizabeth Line '. Report on ABC Radio Breakfast at 7:25am 13th May 2024.  It is not clear though what they are actually referring too.   

[timh]

The LNP have confirmed today that if they win the 2024 State Election they will rename Cross River Rail the ' Elizabeth Line '. Report on ABC Radio Breakfast at 7:25am 13th May 2024.  It is not clear though what they are actually referring too.   

Cringe. Also shows how little they know about the network. Does the entire of Sector 1 get renamed too? No thanks.

[Gazza]

There's only one train line in Australia where it even remotley makes sense to call the Elizabeth line:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Elizabeth/@-34.7175411,138.6645142,273m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m15!1m8!3m7!1s0x6ab0ad8f67ad1ad5:0x5033654628eae60!2sElizabeth+SA+5112!3b1!8m2!3d-34.7216115!4d138.6692119!16zL20vMDUwbXp2!3m5!1s0x6ab0ad8e66a33daf:0xf41c308bec36e852!8m2!3d-34.717341!4d138.664669!16zL20vMDl5c2p6?entry=ttu

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

Don't call Cross River Rail the Elizabeth Line

13th May 2024

RAIL Back On Track rejects the LNP's apparent policy of renaming Cross River Rail "The Elizabeth Line" if they win the 2024 election.
This was discussed on ABC Brisbane Radio Breakfast this morning (13th May 2024) at around 7:25am.

We suspect the policy was developed by copying the name of the Elizabeth Line in London.

All train lines are in SEQ are named after the places they go. The Ipswich line goes to Ipswich. The Gold Coast line goes to the Gold Coast and so forth.
It's easy to understand and friendly to passengers.

Cross River Rail is slated to be used by trains from and to the Gold Coast, Beenleigh, Caboolture, Sunshine Coast and Redcliffe Peninsula.
In effect, changes to the network mean around 1/3 of all trains will be rerouted through the new tunnel via Albert St and Woolloongabba, making use of the higher capacity.

So has the Elizabeth Line naming policy been thought through?

How does it work in practice?

Are all trains passing through the tunnel called Elizabeth Line services? E.g. do tourists catch the "Elizabeth Line" to the Gold Coast now?
Or is it called the Elizabeth line when passing through the CBD tunnel section and then trains revert to being Gold Coast, Beenleigh, or Caboolture, Redcliffe and Sunshine Coast services when outside it?

There's just no detail on the policy, but from our perspective, it already sounds too confusing to be worth it.

The Elizabeth Line name perhaps makes sense in London when it was done in 2016 and applied to the entire east west route across the city, but it makes no sense for the unique situation of the SEQ Citytrain rail network.

It would be a right royal stuff up for Queensland!

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

[ozbob]

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Posted by RAIL - Back On Track on Sunday 12 May 2024

[ozbob]

ABC News --> LNP to rename Queensland's Cross River Rail in honour of Elizabeth II if they win state election

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> LNP's major Cross River Rail name change slammed as 'confusing' $

The LNP will rename Cross River Rail in honour of Queen Elizabeth II if it wins government in October, a move critics argue will be "confusing" to commuters.

Detail of the party's decision to dub Cross River Rail the 'Elizabeth Line' is scarce, but the LNP says it is in response to a petition signed by more than 5000 people.

Deputy Opposition Leader and monarchist Jarrod Bleijie described the renaming as a "fitting tribute" to the late Queen.

It mirrors London's decision to name its newest $36.1bn, 118km rail line, linking the east and west of the city, the Elizabeth Line.

Robert Dow of advocacy group Rail Back said, unlike in London, the name change "makes no sense".

He noted all of southeast Queensland's train lines were named after the places they go.

"It's easy to understand and friendly to passengers," Mr Dow said.

"There's just no detail on the policy, but from our perspective, it already sounds too confusing to be worth it ...

https://x.com/ozbob13/status/1789882125488914786

[ozbob]

Never a dull moment.  If the LNP is fixated on this then they could name the twin tunnels the ' Elizabeth II ' tunnels.

[verbatim9]

Never a dull moment.  If the LNP is fixated on this then they could name the twin tunnels the ' Elizabeth II ' tunnels.

I don't agree with the change to the Elizabeth line either and don't think it should be on the to do list.

However, I do agree that Central should be renamed to Anzac Sq Station and Albert Street Station to adopt two names like Fortitude Valley Station being Albert Street (Meanjin) Station.

South Brisbane Station should also be renamed to Cultural Centre station with renaming of the platforms being 4, 5 and 6 which carries on from the busway platform names.

Roma Street could be renamed to Roma Street Central Station. But I do like Roma Street as a name in general.

Park Road should be renamed as well to Boggo Road with platforms to be uniformly named together with the busway and the new underground platforms.

[ozbob]

Been booked for as brief interview on the "Elizabeth Line" on 4BC Breakfast at around 7:10am this morning, 14th May 2024.

[Jonno]

It's all so cringeworthy!! Us commoners just look silly!! Not worthy of having an unelected overlord!

[ozbob]

Been booked for as brief interview on the "Elizabeth Line" on 4BC Breakfast at around 7:10am this morning, 14th May 2024.
 

Interview 14 May 2024 Radio 4BC Breakfast with hosts Laurel, Gary and Mark and Robert Dow RBoT discuss the merits or otherwise of naming Cross River Rail the ' Elizabeth Line '

Here > https://backontrack.org/docs/4bc/4bc_rd_lgm_14may24.mp3 MP3 4.2MB

[ozbob]

https://x.com/railbotforum/status/1790202439855202468

[Stillwater]

This is as cringeworthy as Tony Abbott wanting to give Prince Phillip an Australian knighthood. Daft.

[#Metro]

'Royal Queensland Railways' has a nice ring to it though. Would require Letters Patent / Royal Charter to happen. 

[Stillwater]

Why stop there ... we could name new carriage sets after royalty. The Princess Anne carriages. Or the Prince William carriage sets. On-board toilets could be 'in the Prince Andrew throne style'.

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Now it's a strip of car yards. Will it be a 'thriving precinct' in a decade? $

Suburbs along one of Brisbane's southern train lines will become home to another 5000 residents within a decade as a busy strip of car yards is transformed into higher-density housing.

It will be the first urban renewal project where Brisbane City Council leverages the Queensland government's $6.3 billion Cross River Rail's improvements to develop new neighbourhoods.

After five years of debate and consultation, the council on Tuesday revealed its plan to reshape Moorooka's famous "Magic Mile of Motors" into a housing and retail hub.

It followed the council's identification of 70 hectares of "tired old industrial sites" – including sites at Moorooka – for suburban renewal, and would take advantage of Cross River Rail's upgrades to train stations, including Yeerongpilly, Moorooka, Rocklea and Salisbury. ...

[Gazza]

I remember way back in 1st year of uni the lecturer talking about how easy Moorooka would be to revelop. It's relativley close to the city, has frequent bus (And frequent rail 5 days a week) , when you take away the cars from a car yard, its an easy flat site.

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> State Government wont reveal costs of artworks after $1 billion Cross River Rail blowout $

The state government won't reveal exactly how much it has spent on artwork for Cross River Rail train stations, after the project blew out by more than $1b.

Underground stations will feature 14 separate artworks from 13 highly renowned Queensland Indigenous artists, however the total cost spent on the art remains a secret. ...

[ozbob]

Been booked for as brief interview on the "Elizabeth Line" on 4BC Breakfast at around 7:10am this morning, 14th May 2024.
 

Interview 14 May 2024 Radio 4BC Breakfast with hosts Laurel, Gary and Mark and Robert Dow RBoT discuss the merits or otherwise of naming Cross River Rail the ' Elizabeth Line '

Here > https://backontrack.org/docs/4bc/4bc_rd_lgm_14may24.mp3 MP3 4.2MB

Couriermail George St Beat

ROYAL BUGGER UP

First Tony Abbott knighted Prince Philip, now the LNP is recommitting to rename railway lines after the dearly departed Queen Elizabeth II.

First raised following the monarch's death in 2022, the LNP this week again said it would apply the Elizabeth name to Cross River Rail if it wins government in October.

What part of the project, or line, it will name isn't clear - and the opposition had little detail when asked about it this week.

Rail expert Robert Dow panned the move, declaring they "haven't thought it through".

Mr Dow also revealed he hadn't spoken to the LNP about its proposal - strange considering the LNP was privately briefing people that he was supportive of the Elizabeth idea.

 

[ozbob]

Moorooka Station Consultation Summary

https://crossriverrail.qld.gov.au/construction/fairfield-to-salisbury-construction/moorooka-station-consultation-summary/

" ... Feedback was received regarding topics that are outside the project scope for Cross River Rail including adding a pedestrian overpass over Ipswich Road, a pedestrian overpass connecting Moorooka station to Fairfield Road, and improving commuter car parking options by adding a park 'n' ride facility. All feedback regarding out-of-scope topics has been passed onto the relevant agencies for consideration.

While a pedestrian overpass over Ipswich Road is not being built as part of the Cross River Rail project, the Moorooka Station design allows for an overpass to be connected into the station in the future. ... "

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

Re: Don't call Cross River Rail the Elizabeth Line

22nd May 2024

Good Morning,

This was a report in the Couriermail ' George Street Beat: Qld politics news and gossip 19th May 2024 ( https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/george-street-beat-adrian-schrinners-political-somersault-the-envy-of-gymnasts/news-story/68a6b8a491e3ea65ebe4a6caa9a29d61 )

ROYAL BUGGER UP

First Tony Abbott knighted Prince Philip, now the LNP is recommitting to rename railway lines after the dearly departed Queen Elizabeth II.

First raised following the monarch's death in 2022, the LNP this week again said it would apply the Elizabeth name to Cross River Rail if it wins government in October.

What part of the project, or line, it will name isn't clear - and the opposition had little detail when asked about it this week.

Rail expert Robert Dow panned the move, declaring they "haven't thought it through".

Mr Dow also revealed he hadn't spoken to the LNP about its proposal - strange considering the LNP was privately briefing people that he was supportive of the Elizabeth idea.

I think my position is very clear if you listen to this interview:

Interview 14 May 2024 Radio 4BC Breakfast with hosts Laurel, Gary and Mark and Robert Dow RBoT discuss the merits or otherwise of naming Cross River Rail the ' Elizabeth Line '

Here > https://backontrack.org/docs/4bc/4bc_rd_lgm_14may24.mp3 MP3 4.2MB

As reported by the Couriermail I have never spoken with any LNP representative re the ' Elizabeth Line '.

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Sent to all outlets:

Don't call Cross River Rail the Elizabeth Line

13th May 2024

RAIL Back On Track rejects the LNP's apparent policy of renaming Cross River Rail "The Elizabeth Line" if they win the 2024 election.
This was discussed on ABC Brisbane Radio Breakfast this morning (13th May 2024) at around 7:25am.

We suspect the policy was developed by copying the name of the Elizabeth Line in London.

All train lines are in SEQ are named after the places they go. The Ipswich line goes to Ipswich. The Gold Coast line goes to the Gold Coast and so forth.
It's easy to understand and friendly to passengers.

Cross River Rail is slated to be used by trains from and to the Gold Coast, Beenleigh, Caboolture, Sunshine Coast and Redcliffe Peninsula.
In effect, changes to the network mean around 1/3 of all trains will be rerouted through the new tunnel via Albert St and Woolloongabba, making use of the higher capacity.

So has the Elizabeth Line naming policy been thought through?

How does it work in practice?

Are all trains passing through the tunnel called Elizabeth Line services? E.g. do tourists catch the "Elizabeth Line" to the Gold Coast now?
Or is it called the Elizabeth line when passing through the CBD tunnel section and then trains revert to being Gold Coast, Beenleigh, or Caboolture, Redcliffe and Sunshine Coast services when outside it?

There's just no detail on the policy, but from our perspective, it already sounds too confusing to be worth it.

The Elizabeth Line name perhaps makes sense in London when it was done in 2016 and applied to the entire east west route across the city, but it makes no sense for the unique situation of the SEQ Citytrain rail network.

It would be a right royal stuff up for Queensland!

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

[SMU260]

Does anyone know why the Redcliffe  line ends at Boggo/Park Rd and the Beenleigh line ends Exhibition in the SEQ Rail Connect document? I imagined that the Beenleigh line would throughrun with the Redcliffe Pen. line as the GC line will with the SC line.

[Gazza]

I think those are meant to represent peak hour short workings.

[ozbob]

We have been told that the GC line will pair with the Redcliffe Peninsula line.

And the Beenleigh line will pair with the Caboolture/Sunshine line. 

This is to allow for more efficient operation, conservation of train sets. 

[ozbob]

Queensland Parliament

https://documents.parliament.qld.gov.au/tableOffice/questionsAnswers/2024/638-2024.pdf

Question on Notice
No. 638
Asked on 22 May 2024

MR A POWELL ASKED MINISTER FOR TRANSPORT AND MAIN ROADS AND MINISTER
FOR DIGITAL SERVICES (HON B MELLISH)

QUESTION:

Will the Minister provide a list of 2024 expected progress payment dates for the Cross River Rail
PPP partners (as of 1 January 2024) and if any of these dates have been missed to date?

ANSWER:

I thank the Member for Glass House for the question.

I am advised that progress claims for the Cross River Rail PPP partners have been paid monthly
since 2019, and that no progress payments have been missed.

The details of payments remain commercial-in-confidence.