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Media Release 7 Mar 2009

Queensland:  2009 State Election - Where are the public transport policies?

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport users  has welcomed Minister Mickel's statement (1) confirming an absolute commitment for  the Gold Coast Rapid Transit project (2).  There is not much else though in terms of transport policy development so far in this election campaign.

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The Gold Coast Rapid transit project is an essential evolution of public transport for this vibrant community.  Modern light rail has the capacity needed, is sustainable, and will become an iconic feature of life at the Gold Coast."

"What about public transport improvements in the rest of Queensland?  For example there are opportunities to move forward with innovative off peak and incentive ticketing on the go card to assist with peak congestion management on the TransLink network (3).  An improved fare structure for the go card which addresses capping and seasonal ticketing is essential to drive further uptake. But major bus stations don't have ticket machines!  It seems there is a plot to make using public transport difficult for commuters rather than a seamless integrated experience!"

"Is any anyone prepared to address the problem of the excess fares that connecting  QR Citytrain passengers  pay if they make a single go card or paper ticket journey from a QR Citytrain station to the Airport? (4)  The bizarre nature of this rip-off and the failure to fix it sends a strong negative message to rail commuters."

"It is essential that public transport is supported for the future.  The railway lines from Petrie to Kippa-Ring and from Richlands to Springfield; with stations at Ellen Grove and Springfield lakes, must be started immediately.   We are heading for meltdown if we don't!"

"A ramp up of the railway rolling stock construction industry in Queensland would be a recession buster."

"What is going to happen with the proposed underground railway extensions in Brisbane?  Looming capacity constraints on the critical part of the rail network through the CBD must be addressed with some urgency."

"So many questions, not much vision so far.  Public transport commuters are voters and we are waiting for answers and clear directions for a sustainable transport future."

References:

1.  http://statements.cabinet.qld.gov.au/MMS/StatementDisplaySingle.aspx?id=63026
2.  http://www.transinfo.qld.gov.au/qt/translin.nsf/index/gc_rapidtransit
3.  http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=1941.0
4.  http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=1304.0

Contact:

Robert Dow
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This is a summary of the LNP policies of immediate interest to RAIL BoT so far announced:
If I have missed any please email admin@backontrack.org with details.

For full details of LNP Policies for Transport click here!

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Free trains for go-card arrivals in zone 1 6-7am and for departures 6-7pm.
 
Seven car sets.
 
Automatic train protection systems to allow more services and smaller gaps on the Ipswich-Ferny Grove and Varsity Lakes to Caboolture lines.
 
More park and rides and bus connections.
 
Station safety upgrades.
 
Redcliffe Rail is a commitment for term 2 of a LNP Government (but term one if Federal funds are provided).*

* I have requested a further clarification on Petrie to Kippa-Ring in view of media this past week.
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This is a summary of Labor policies of immediate interest to RAIL BoT so far announced:
If I have missed any please email admin@backontrack.org with details.

Media and statements ALP  Anna Bligh's Policies and Media Releases click here!

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Possible commitment to Petrie-Redcliffe railway 2016.

Continued support for the Gold Coast Rapid Transit Project.
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This is a summary of the Green policies of immediate interest to RAIL BoT so far announced:
If I have missed any please email admin@backontrack.org with details.

General Transport Policy Document Greens click here!

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Free public transport for under 21s.

Extension of the City Cat to Tennyson.
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Saturday 7th March.

The above LNP policies (except for Petrie to Kippa-Ring) were floated well before this election.  They should be congratulated for having something in place, but nothing more except the Petrie to Kippa-Ring announcement since the election has been called.

The Greens have put forward a couple of new policies since the election was called.  They have a long standing light rail plan for Brisbane.

The Government have not put forward anything yet since the election has been called.  Support for the Gold Coast Light Rail not withstanding. 

Two weeks to go.  Will we see some policy development?


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Some comments on policies:

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Free trains for go-card arrivals in zone 1 6-7am and for departures 6-7pm.

Better than nothing, but what happens if the train is late in the morning?  Why not all public transport commuters?  A much better option is early and late peak and off peak initiative for all go card users.
 
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Seven car sets.

There are already problems with short platforms on the north coast, Rosewood line and Tennyson.  Most platforms only handle 6 cars.  Not convinced this will work, far better higher frequency of service.
 
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Automatic train protection systems to allow more services and smaller gaps on the Ipswich-Ferny Grove and Varsity Lakes to Caboolture lines.
 

An excellent policy.  Contingent on improvements to signalling and increases in trains and crew.
 
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More park and rides and bus connections.

Fundamental, but welcome.
 
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Station safety upgrades.

Again an important issue and good to see it mentioned.

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Redcliffe Rail is a commitment for term 2 of a LNP Government (but term one if Federal funds are provided).

Very welcome, but what about the other lines?

Greens

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Free public transport for under 21s.

Too discriminatory and not sustainable under the present funding model for public transport.

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Extension of the City Cat to Tennyson.

Not practical for regular commuter.  There are already better options in place bus and rail. Concentrate on building those up.  Worthwhile for the tourist/leisure role though.

Labor

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Support for the Gold Coast Light Rail Project

Can't say much about nothing.  Commitment to the Gold Coast Rapid Transit  project is sensible.

The Premier did confirm prior to the election being called, the first of the 20 three car sets of the next planned 58 three car sets, but this has been in place for some time in principle.

Watch this space?

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Labor have announced their first policy.

From the Sunday Mail 8th March 2009 page 10



A start, bit light on detail,  nothing on the Anna Bligh's Policies and Media Releases  as yet.
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Satement from Anna Bligh KEEP QUEENSLAND STRONG

8 March 2009

HUNDREDS OF NEW CAR PARKS AND JOBS IN PUBLIC TRANSPORT BOOST

Catching buses and trains will be easier under a re-elected Bligh Government, with $123 million to be spent on more than 1300 extra commuter car parks and station upgrades, generating more than 900 new jobs.

Premier Anna Bligh said thanks to record investment, public transport was more popular than ever.

?Patronage on our buses, trains and ferries is up 40 percent in the last 10 years, the fastest growth in the country,? Ms Bligh said.

?We are rolling out a new train every single month, and building new busways and railways to keep pace with growth.

?But the incredible popularity of public transport is putting pressure on our stations and car parks, and that?s why we need to do more.?   

Ms Bligh said that if re-elected, she would invest $123 million over the next three years to provide 1342 car parking spaces at bus and train stations throughout the south-east, particularly in middle and outer suburbs.

She said the package build on Labor?s record of delivering more car parking for commuters.

?Since 2007 we have delivered 871 more car parking spaces across the rail network, bringing the total number of car parks to 18,186.

?Upgrades delivered as part of this program include more parking at Petrie, Loganlea, Mooloolah, Landsborough, Robina, Caboolture and Narangba train stations.

?During our next term, we will focus on delivering better facilities in local areas that are feeling the strain of increased patronage on the public transport network.

?This is about tackling the twin challenges of our future: protecting jobs and protecting the environment.  And we can do both.

?Our plan will generate more than 900 new jobs right across the region, and deliver public transport that is even easier to use.

?On top of 1342 extra car parks, we will build five new bus stations, upgrade two existing bus stations and plan for upgrades to another two bus interchanges.

?Delivery of these upgrades is often dependent on other projects, such as shopping centre redevelopments or road works, so we will time construction to ensure it all happens at the same time and the disruption to the community is minimised.?

Ms Bligh said that the projects were a key part of keeping south-east Queensland moving.

?Every full bus takes 58 cars off our roads, and every full train removes 576 cars.  Getting more people on public transport will cut our carbon emissions and reduce congestion,? she said.

?Building this new infrastructure will deliver better public transport and a local economic stimulus in these tough economic times.?

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See full list of proposed projects below.

New car parking spaces for bus commuters:
?   Moggill Road, Kenmore ? 150
?   Mount Lindsay Highway, Park Ridge ? 200 (plus new bus station)
?   The Gap ? 70
?   Bribie Island ? 122 (plus new bus station with three bus bays)
?   Algester ? 200
?   Jindalee ? 200
?   Total - 942

New car parking spaces at train stations:
?   Morayfield ? 100
?   Burpengary ? 100
?   Sandgate ? 100
?   Bray Park ? 50
?   Birkdale ? 50
?   Total - 400

New bus stations:
?   North Lakes
?   Coomera Town Centre
?   Noosa Coastal Transit Centre ? eight extra bus bays (joint with council)

Bus stations to be upgraded:
?   University of Queensland Lakes station ? three extra bus bays
?   Eight Miles Plains busway station ? pedestrian underpass

Planning for future upgrades
?   Peninsula Fair shopping centre, Kippa-Ring (bus interchange)
?   Redland Bay marina (bus/ferry interchange)
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Free trains for go-card arrivals in zone 1 6-7am and for departures 6-7pm.

Instead of operating free services (which has to be payed for by someone), how about running more services when people actually want to use the trains.
 
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Seven car sets.

As I've mentioned before this totally unworkable, and would not significantly increase capacity.
 
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Automatic train protection systems to allow more services and smaller gaps on the Ipswich-Ferny Grove and Varsity Lakes to Caboolture lines.
 

There is no point implementing improved signalling until system bottlenecks such as single track sections and conflicting moves across flat junctions are eliminated.
 
Evening peak service to Enoggera* 2007 - 7tph
Evening peak service to Enoggera* 2010 - 4tph
* departures from Central between 16:30 and 17:30.

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HUNDREDS OF NEW CAR PARKS AND JOBS IN PUBLIC TRANSPORT BOOST ...

All good initiatives.  Something tangible. 

I would like to see more local feeder buses as well.  I think there is a limit to park and ride ...

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I think the LNP idea of having 7 car sets as a gimmick and believe commuters can see through that silly policy. Impractical, short term fix and treats all users with contempt. A 10 y.o. could have thought of such an idea.

I read lots of comments re rail from Petrie to Kippa Ring, however, Im presuming that this project automatically comes with a southern destination point for those trains!  My friends at Margate are not interested in a spur line ending at Petrie. Only 1 train all the way into BNE !  I see the most difficult & expensive part of such a project as being the seamless zippering of existing trains and extra trains into BNE ? at least.

Sydney tried to fit extra trains onto existing tracks at Harris Pk/ Granville only to find the new trains interfered with existing services, so ten of millions of dollars was wasted when they no longer ran an off peak service. True story.

So until theres construction on another river crossing or tunnel, hoping for Kippa ring trains is a long way off. 

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From here

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Gold Coast Rapid Transit

Mr Springborg said Labor talked about the Gold Coast Rapid Transit project, but had failed to provide a meaningful financial commitment beyond the current financial year.

"The LNP?s $260 million funding commitment through the ?Rebuild Queensland? package will allow the completion of two stages of the light rail project (from Parklands to Broadbeach) just four years from now in 2013," he said.

"The money we pledge today would also provide for planning the Broadbeach to Burleigh and the Helensvale to Parkland sections."

The Gold Coast City Council has already allocated $120 million to the project. A further $380 million would be required from the Federal Government and $140 million from the private sector.

A welcome commitment to an essential project.  Both camps now clearly behind this.

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Brisbane Bus Rapid Transit project

Mr Springborg said the $93 million Bus Rapid Transit project in Brisbane would have a big impact on commuter flows through the central city area and was the final realisation of a concept that had stalled for more than a decade under Labor.

"This project involves the construction of a new fleet of 20 advanced buses to provide a dedicated service at four minute intervals from Newstead through the CBD to West End. It includes works to redesign intersections to provide buses with priority traffic access and to ensure more buses run on time."

The project is expected to be completed and operational in the first quarter of 2010.

This is actually a previously flagged project by BCC (see here).  I prefer the Greens inner city light rail proposals as a more long term sustainable solution that will have the capacity.  If the BRT is implemented  it will buy some time, but I am uncertain if it is going to be a raging success.

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Think of the chaos when it becomes necessicary to reconstruct the BRT and reconfigure the systen as light rail?

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All in all, a pretty weak effort by both major parties, obviously they really are out of touch with the endless traffic chaos and lack of adequate public transport.  Most of this stuff we've heard before and alot of it is the classic "cheapy" Qld response.  I'm really getting sick and tired of "bus projects" been trotted out at every election as the answer to seemingly all Brisbane's PT requirements.  There is little here for heavy rail.  The ALP at least have some lonnnngggg-term plans re the inner-city rail capacity plans.  The LNP are going to do little, ie, everything is being put "under consideration", but they'll still magically solve (most/all) the PT problems and cut taxes at the same time - I just don't get the maths!  Very disappointing really - I had hoped heavy rail (at least in the major cities) was "on the up", but it seems there is really little support around the major parties policy executives.  :(
If urban rail was a sports stadium - there'd be a station on every corner!  Keep it LOUD for Pro-Rail!  :pr

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The LNPs 7 car train proposal is unrealistic.   There are about 134 stations that would require modifications, say 134 million dollars.

80 trailers cars?  Cost  15-20 million $ ?

Effects on timetable, increased dwell times at stations, also presents problems with shunting etc. at terminal stations.  Increased safety risks.

It would also stress the motors in the trains designed for sets of three cars.  The QR Citytrain network is designed in terms of track, signal sections and so forth for 6 cars.  Trains would over hang level crossings and tunnels.

I can't believe Labor haven't pointed these things out.

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No need for Labor to point out these obvious flaws. Anyone with common sense can see straight through the LNPs ridiculous spin. Ill conceived, half baked ideas such as these shout out loudly that they have little to no idea at all....SIGH...

     

 

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