Started by #Metro, March 22, 2023, 10:46:29 AM
Total Members Voted: 11
Voting closed: March 28, 2023, 19:18:21 PM
Quote from: RowBro on March 24, 2023, 14:01:56 PMI think the Aspley alignment would make more sense purely because there's more trip generators along the route. PCH doesnt really need the capacity of a dedicate busway stopping at it. A 15 min frequency route from Chermside would probably be enough for it.The Aspley allignment would also function better for a feeder service model.
Quote from: HappyTrainGuy on March 24, 2023, 15:11:41 PMQuote from: RowBro on March 24, 2023, 14:01:56 PMI think the Aspley alignment would make more sense purely because there's more trip generators along the route. PCH doesnt really need the capacity of a dedicate busway stopping at it. A 15 min frequency route from Chermside would probably be enough for it.The Aspley allignment would also function better for a feeder service model.More people work there than Chermside Westfield and there's substantial expansion planned.
Quote from: Gazza on March 24, 2023, 16:34:12 PMWhere the split happens matters.When you build a spur, you divide the frequency:https://humantransit.org/2011/02/basics-branching-or-how-transit-is-like-a-river.htmlIf you split before Chermside, that means Kedron is getting better frequency than Chermside, which doesn't make sense.I also imagine there is a logic behind having a direct link between PCH and Chermside (Eg Chermside will have all the terminating routes right and would be a key interchange point)If we do a branch for the hospital, it has to be one of these.Who needs the single seat journey more? PCH to CBD or PCH to Chermside/points north?
Quote from: RowBro on March 24, 2023, 15:33:37 PMAlso, on top of that. More people may work at PCH, but I am fairly certain more shoppers go to Chermside, than patients go to PCH, especially if you take out the number of patients who physically are unable to catch PT to the hospital. Overall, I am fairly certain Chermside would be a larger trip generator when you aren't just counting workers. Add on the high-density apartments littered around Chermside and your comparison falls flat.
Quote from: Gazza on March 27, 2023, 14:27:47 PMWhat are your preferred solutions for each of those points?
Quote from: Gazza on March 27, 2023, 22:05:41 PMYes, I don't see the benefit of a median busway compared to the current transitway we are getting.Doesn't matter if you are in the kerbside lane or the middle lane if you still have to stop at traffic lights.
Quote from: timh on March 28, 2023, 07:01:51 AMOriginal plans from 2011 look basically exactly the same as what you've come up with RowBro. Yes changes to local street access were planned. See this thread https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=14786.msg261505#msg261505
Quote from: Jonno on March 28, 2023, 12:56:34 PMIt seems that building it with the Airport Tunnel is unlikely (as outlined above) so needs to go its own way and be driven tunnel all the way to Chermside.
QuoteThe days of wiping out developments for busways stations and ramps are over. Tunnel it.
QuoteThe need for Open Air station because of diesel buses should also be abandoned.
QuoteFully electric buses or a true Metro (as is really needed) should be doable by the time you build the Northern Busway.
QuoteIf this is the case Windsor Station would be on western side of Gympie Rd with direct connection to rail station
QuoteSeems silly to stop tunnelling at Chermside (I mean we build 10-12 lanes of freeway with out even questioning the cost) and tunnel all the way to Aspley.
QuoteAll above assume densification around the stations.
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