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Brisbane's New Bus Network

Started by Cazza, October 10, 2022, 10:55:31 AM

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SilverChased

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Quote from: GonzoFonzie on October 29, 2024, 00:47:58 AMBus Network Guide: https://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2024-10/20241028-Brisbanes-New-Bus-Network-guide.pdf

Can anyone verify that the 301, 306, 322, 330, and 385 will no longer go to and terminate at The Cultural Centre, but at the Queen Street Busway Station?
Use the interactive map (which has had updates). It looks like that's yes, they terminate as QSBS.
https://caportal.com.au/bcc/brisbane-metro
It has extra details, for these northern routes:
"This route will also no longer service King George Square station, to enable metro services at this station."

nathandavid88

Has anyone read the proposed stop changes for the Maroon Glider? It will stop at KGS in one direction (towards Cooparoo), and QSBS in the other direction.

The reasoning is to provide a connection to Route 222 in the towards Coorparoo direction, and to connect to the 385 in the Ashgrove direction.

GonzoFonzie

Quote from: nathandavid88 on October 29, 2024, 09:36:06 AMHas anyone read the proposed stop changes for the Maroon Glider? It will stop at KGS in one direction (towards Cooparoo), and QSBS in the other direction.

The reasoning is to provide a connection to Route 222 in the towards Coorparoo direction, and to connect to the 385 in the Ashgrove direction.

You have to click on the left tab, under 'What's Changing' to see this:
        *When travelling towards Coorparoo Square, Route 61 will service Roma Street busway station and King George Square station to provide a connection to Route 222 – Carindale to City.
        *When travelling towards Ashgrove, Route 61 will service Queen Street bus station and Roma Street busway station to provide a connection to Route 385 - The Gap to City.

The initial comments are misleading. There is no way it would run on Roma Street and George Streets.  Still this is confusing.

Gazza

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Overall it feels underwhelming, the intial changes were pretty mild in the first place, though they did at least achieve the 125, 175 and 185 mergers for weekday HF, which is something, but that's about the only real benefit that has come about. Ironically these 3 main changes could have been done without metro.
A fair bit of feedback about maintainin specific connections, which has driven the network design relaly.

A fairly large number of routes still service the city, there hasn't really been any attempts to experiment with a HF feeder into the metro, a key tenet of why they were doing the project.

Many mergers havent gone ahead, eg 375 hasnt been merged with 376 because

you raised concerns about the combination of Route 376 with Route 375, particularly from
residents in Gordon Park in relation to:
• a perceived increase in travel time to the city on Route 375, due to the difference in the current
alignment of Route 376 and concerns around service reliability and on-time running due to
congestion through Fortitude Valley
• loss of 'express' service between Truro Street, Lutwyche and RBWH station.

Like in this case, clearly this is an example of where pax should have been changing to metro at RBWH but its not happening, we will still have a peak suburban route going through the inner northern busway.

But the thing that does my head in is the way they have had to paste in a couple of trial services to maintain coverage that still enter the CBD so its not really getting any efficiency.
Route 197 is a prime example.  A 7.5km loop for the sake of maintaining coverage on an 800m stretch of Stephens Rd.

If all metro is enabling is fairly conservative changes, then there is no point trying to tie network reform to metro imho


SurfRail

This is very disappointing, and entirely unsurprising.

Pimpama now has a better bus network than most of outer suburban Brisbane.
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ozbob

Remember this is a step change. There clearly is a high level of ' change risk aversion ' in both BCC and Translink which follows from the 2013 failure. Change is going to more incremental, with an easier sell. I guess they don't want the knitting ladies to re-appear! 🧶🧶🧶🧶

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#Metro

Photos in the blog post... surprised at how quickly they must have knit this together.

QuoteAn Annerley resident sent me these photos today.

It seems the local Annerley bus stop has been 'yarn bombed' to raise awareness of the opportunity for local residents who may be affected by the SEQ Bus network review and the discontinuation of the 121 and 116 bus routes to have their voice heard.

Yarn bombing is often used throughout the world as a direct action protest activity.

Annerley bus stop 'yarn bombed' to raise awareness of the 121 and 116 bus routes
https://www.elissa.info/2013/03/annerley-bus-stop-yarn-bombed-to-raise-awareness-of-the-121-and-116-bus-routes/
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#Metro

OMG, scare campaign has already started...

QuoteLabor seizes on cuts to suburban routes in bus network shake-up
By Rosanna Ryan

The Labor opposition in Brisbane City Council has criticised plans to shake up the city's bus network, arguing that the announcement "leaves many more questions than answers".

The council released its long-awaited plan today, promising changes to ease bottlenecks and reduce congestion, and take Brisbane "from public transport to mass transit".

But Labor's leader in council Jared Cassidy said the bottom line was that suburban routes will be cut.


Link: https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/brisbane-news-live-amnesty-slams-premier-over-adult-crime-adult-time-policy-20241028-p5klx9.html#p57rsm
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nathandavid88

Hey, has anyone noticed in the document and on the Interactive Map that KGS is referred to as "City Hall/King George Square Station"?

Jonno

Quote from: nathandavid88 on October 29, 2024, 12:19:56 PMHey, has anyone noticed in the document and on the Interactive Map that KGS is referred to as "City Hall/King George Square Station"?
Might as well call SEQ Network the Schinner Regional Network.  he runs it.

ozbob

Brisbanetimes --> Five new Brisbane bus routes, changes to dozens more in network shake-up $

QuoteBuses could be more frequent, more reliable, less crowded and come closer to home – though a trip to the city might involve transferring at the closest busway stop – under a plan released by Brisbane City Council on Tuesday.

Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner said the long-awaited changes to bus routes would ease bottlenecks and reduce congestion, and would take Brisbane "from public transport to mass transit".

After hearing from passengers and crunching data on customer patronage and popular travel patterns, 12 routes have been redesigned to end at metro and busway stations, and others redesigned based on community feedback. ...

https://x.com/ozbob13/status/1851091761822863539
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SilverChased

Is there a time frame for this to launch? Are they waiting for the Metro 1 and 2 routes? These changes don't appear related to metro.

ozbob

Quote from: SilverChased on October 29, 2024, 13:03:23 PMIs there a time frame for this to launch? Are they waiting for the Metro 1 and 2 routes? These changes don't appear related to metro.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/five-new-brisbane-bus-routes-changes-to-dozens-more-as-network-changes-revealed-20241028-p5km0l.html

" ... No date has yet been set, but Schrinner said the council hoped to meet with the Crisafulli government's new transport minister to discuss timing. ... ".

The BNBN will take effect the day M1 & M2 commence.
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Couriermail --> Brisbane bus timetables undergo changes to remove some services $

QuoteA major change to Brisbane's bus services has seen some routes being split up, while others have been removed altogether, in a move claimed to produce faster travel times and deliver more services.

A council review into the current bus network could see faster travel times and more services across Brisbane.

The Brisbane Bus Network Review incorporated customer patronage data, popular travel patterns and extensive community consultation to help deliver a major boost to the network.

Designed to improve traffic congestion and ease bottlenecks, five new routes would be added to the bus network and another twelve routes redesigned to end at metro and busway stations.

The review found 85 per cent of routes would be faster or similar during peak periods and would mean an extra 160,000 services a year.

To help reduce congestion in the city and specifically, the cultural centre, fewer buses would travel over the Victoria Bridge. ...
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