TODs (Transit Oriented Developments)

[Mr X]

Ah, never mind, its now less than 6 months until I get my license and can walk away from this shoddy 3rd rate mess forever.

I've already given up. The place I work at is on the same bus route as me and it's a BUZ but I just don't bother, it's a 5min drive vs 15min bus wait + 10 min journey (all stopper with a stop at every intersection ftw!) + now higher fares, what's the point? It's not like there's a shortage of parking or any congestion at the times I go to/fro work.
The buses have stopped running by the time I finish work anyway (midnight).

I took buses daily for 5 years 2005-2009 and gave up. Always late, higher fares, slow, indirect etc.....

[colinw]

The buses have stopped running by the time I finish work anyway (midnight).

My bus home from work cuts out at 7:20PM.  Not good now that I work for the Spanish division of the company and frequently have teleconferences that go until 8PM or later so we can align with their work hours.  I am now the last public transport user in our office, the other one quit and moved to Melbourne a few months ago.  I've been considering asking for the internal transfer to our Melbourne Docklands office - a tram every few minutes right outside the door.  I'm not at some out of the way backwater either, I'm in Brisbane Technology Park with the busway station just over the freeway (although a long and indirect walk due to the lack of direct pedestrian bridge).

[somebody]

14 minute waits are not turn up and go, which you (dwb) have agreed in the past.  Somewhere like Park Rd should have a turn up and go service.  Especially with the significance of the bus services to UQ, EcoSciences Precinct and also buses to PAH.  There is also South Bank which is where the southbound trains empty in the AM peak.  The frequency doesn't inspire interchange for the other places I have mentioned.

Having used genuinely turn up and go services in Sydney in the past, with significantly less buses on the corridor than where I live now mind you, calling the rubbish foisted up in SEQ "World Class" is merely a lie.  Although I don't think they have said that our public transport is "World Class" in general at least for a while.

[ozbob]

Although I don't think they have said that our public transport is "World Class" in general at least for a while.

Yes, seems to have dropped out the lexicon for now since the 'world class' article by brisbanetimes ...

[colinw]

14 minute waits are not turn up and go, which you (dwb) have agreed in the past.  Somewhere like Park Rd should have a turn up and go service.  Especially with the significance of the bus services to UQ, EcoSciences Precinct and also buses to PAH.  There is also South Bank which is where the southbound trains empty in the AM peak.  The frequency doesn't inspire interchange for the other places I have mentioned.

Having used genuinely turn up and go services in Sydney in the past, with significantly less buses on the corridor than where I live now mind you, calling the rubbish foisted up in SEQ "World Class" is merely a lie.  Although I don't think they have said that our public transport is "World Class" in general at least for a while.

To which I'd add that it is only 14 minute wait of you want to go to any of the stations Southbank to Bowen Hills inclusive.

Otherwise, because it is overlaid service patterns:

Want to go toward Cleveland => 30 minute frequency
Want to go beyond Bowen Hills => 30 minute frequency to FG or Airport, else change
Want to go toward Beenleigh => 30 minute frequency (except Coopers Plains, Loganlea, Beenleigh)
Want to go toward Gold Coast => 30 minute frequency.
Want to use it to change lines - you can cop a 29 minute wait (some Beenleigh to Cleveland transfers just barely miss that way).

Doesn't look so wonderful now (because it isn't!)

[HappyTrainGuy]

I don't mind the time inbetween swapping trains. I can grab a chocolate sunday from maccas, sit down, have a few thoughts and watch how seculded/impatient/in a hurry everybody is to get from point a to point b. Everytime I catch the train/bus I see dozens of the same people over and over again. I can tell you what they usually wear, what time they get to the station, What station they get off, What carriage/side they sit in, what type of phone or mp3 player but ask me their name and I have no idea. Truth is PT will never be as good as a private vehicle. The only problem that I have with it is the operating hours. If your not next to a buz route forget night shifts and don't expect to get anywhere early on a weekend.

[somebody]

Truth is PT will never be as good as a private vehicle.

Tell that to a Muscovite.  Or numerous other places in the world with good PT.

[colinw]

In many places its far better than a private vehicle. The ease of zapping around on London Underground, or the Metro in Barcelona, or undoubtedly many others I have not yet experienced, cannot be matched by private vehicles in those cities.

In Brisbane, however, if you are unlucky enough to live on the rail or anywhere except on a BUZ route, forget it. (Plan B involves a time machine and the incredibly frequent tram services that ran here until 1969).

[Mr X]

I still remember the time I tried to take a train to milton..
209 from UQ -> Park Rd
Short wait at Park Rd
Arrive Roma Street, next train to Milton in 29 mins (just missed!)
Walk to busway, unsure what buses stop on Milton Road so take a 444 to the city in hopes of finding a bus in the city
? walk around looking for bus for 20mins, ask someone on the street, no idea
Ended up walking to central and taking the next train.

Ok I should have taken the 444 to Coro Dve but I had no idea which buses went where so really, what else would I do 

Not sure what luck a tourist would ever have 

[HappyTrainGuy]

Yes other places. But you have to look at those places and their population/demographics/culture compared to ours. This is Brisbane. Not a big population compared to many places. As good as it would be you can't have a train or a bus going everywhere and the Brits were a massive example of this when they started throwing train lines left right and centre. If I wanted to get to Queensland Raceway/Willowbank drags I got to jump on a train for an hour from the city, get on a bus that goes to Amberley and then walk a few Km to the precent. If I want to go to the coast I got to get on a train that stops 10km in the middle of a swamp before getting on a slow bus and forget about taking anything with me to the beach.

As long as Brisbane is jammed into small areas spread out over a large area with low PT uptake you can't make everyone happy.

[O_128]

Yes other places. But you have to look at those places and their population/demographics/culture compared to ours. This is Brisbane. Not a big population compared to many places. As good as it would be you can't have a train or a bus going everywhere and the Brits were a massive example of this when they started throwing train lines left right and centre. If I wanted to get to Queensland Raceway/Willowbank drags I got to jump on a train for an hour from the city, get on a bus that goes to Amberley and then walk a few Km to the precent. If I want to go to the coast I got to get on a train that stops 10km in the middle of a swamp before getting on a slow bus and forget about taking anything with me to the beach.

As long as Brisbane is jammed into small areas spread out over a large area with low PT uptake you can't make everyone happy.

I dont agree, Florence Italy has the main centre and a few surrounding suburbs - Buses everywhere every 10 minutes, Light rail being implemented etc, Its only in Australia that we have this idiocy surrounding PT.

[AnonymouslyBad]

I've already given up. The place I work at is on the same bus route as me and it's a BUZ but I just don't bother, it's a 5min drive vs 15min bus wait + 10 min journey (all stopper with a stop at every intersection ftw!) + now higher fares, what's the point? It's not like there's a shortage of parking or any congestion at the times I go to/fro work.

This example doesn't really prove much.. if it takes you five minutes to drive to work, then public transport will not get you there quicker regardless of how good it is or what city you live in.

[HappyTrainGuy]

Isn't Florence about the same population as Brisbane covering an area 1/3 the size of Brisbane in which a large percentage already live in the city??

[somebody]

I still remember the time I tried to take a train to milton..
209 from UQ -> Park Rd
Short wait at Park Rd
Arrive Roma Street, next train to Milton in 29 mins (just missed!)
Walk to busway, unsure what buses stop on Milton Road so take a 444 to the city in hopes of finding a bus in the city
? walk around looking for bus for 20mins, ask someone on the street, no idea
Ended up walking to central and taking the next train.

Ok I should have taken the 444 to Coro Dve but I had no idea which buses went where so really, what else would I do 

Not sure what luck a tourist would ever have 

That must have been weekends or evenings.

Yes, the info is still a shocker.  Look at that map in QSBS which tells you what routes go where from which stop.  It only covers QSBS routes!!!  What's the use of that?  Similarly, the newish list at the Cultural Centre (at least used to) show the 160 as serving Woolloongabba which it only does to the extent that Buranda station is in W'Gabba.

Isn't Florence about the same population as Brisbane covering an area 1/3 the size of Brisbane in which a large percentage already live in the city??

FWIW, according to Wiki they are comparable, but perhaps Florence is more dense in the inner regions as compared to Brisbane.  But there has been studies on this: density is far from the sole determinant.

[Mr X]

It was last year at midday!  not knowing the western suburbs that well and knowing I had to go to the train station as my final destination, taking the bus wasn't the best idea!

[somebody]

It was last year at midday!  not knowing the western suburbs that well and knowing I had to go to the train station as my final destination, taking the bus wasn't the best idea!

Midday on a weekday you should have had to wait more than 15 minutes between Corinda and Ipswich trains.

[Derwan]

Apartments are now on sale at Albion.

www.albionmill.com.au

No construction yet though!

[ozbob]

From the Couriermail Quest click here!

Alderley Square buyers left in limbo

Alderley Square buyers left in limbo

   by: Allira Preece, North-West News
   From: Quest Newspapers
   February 09, 2012 7:00AM

Northwest investors are calling for answers while their stake in a $170million development is left hanging in the balance.

The Alderley Square development, which includes 234 residential apartments within the vicinity of Alderley train station, hit a brick wall when developers Alderley Village Pty Ltd went into receivership in November.

With half of the apartments already sold, buyers are pleading for answers as to what the future holds.

Everton Park solicitor Andrew Wheldon, who has more than a dozen clients who have invested, said buyers had not been notified the company was in receivership and some wanted out of the project.

He said his clients had put 10per cent deposits on the units  costing some buyers up to $70,000.

"There is very little goodwill left in my clients to consider extending the contract. In fact my clients want their contracts terminated and deposits returned,'' he said.

Everton Park investor Sue Connolly said she made a $50,000 deposit.

"I have never received any communication as to the progress or lack of progress of Alderley Square. I believe that many purchasers, like myself, will not be interested in progressing with the purchase if the project continues,'' she said.

A spokesman from Savills Development Projects, which marketed the project, said the company ``had not been provided with any information in relation to existing contracts''.

"We are in regular communication with purchasers who contact us and advise them that as more information comes to hand, we will keep them up to date.''

He said they were unable to provide further comment until more information from the receiver came to hand.

"All deposits are held in trust accounts. Should contracts be cancelled, deposits will be refunded.''

Receivers Korda Mentha and Alderley Village Pty Ltd were contacted but were unavailable for comment ahead of going to print.

PCN Projects, the development co-ordinator for the project on behalf of Alderley Village, was also contacted but did not return calls from the North-West News.

[ozbob]

From the Couriermail Quest click here!

Development could rejuvenate inner-city suburb

Development could rejuvenate inner-city suburb

    by: Amy Kelly, City North News
    From: Quest Newspapers
    June 01, 2012 8:00AM

t's already been flagged as one of Queensland's hot spots, now Albion is one step closer to rejuvenation with the release of the Albion Mill Development masterplan.

The long-awaited plan for the 1.3ha site will be based around the historic Albion flour mill, which will be retained and restored as commercial and retail space, a shared central laneway and a 2000sqm piazza-style open area.

FKP executive general manager of developments Queensland Gary Kordic said the release of the master plan signalled a turning point for the area.

"For the local community it's going to be the revitalisation of Albion village,'' he said.

"Everyone's anticipating that Albion village is going to lift and go through a gentrification process which is really going to go from our site which will be the initial driver,'' he said.

"For the local community it's going to be a revitalisation.''

Stage one of the development, the Hudson residential complex, was released last year with construction expected to begin in 2013 once pre-sale targets are met.

The site is being touted as a Transport Oriented Development (TOD) because of its proximity to Albion station.

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Making tracks for Milton

[Golliwog]

Brisbanetimes --> Making tracks for Milton

Brisbanetimes Live at Work --> 1:39pm

Marissa Calligeros: Signed, sealed, delivered: Construction is due to begin any day on Brisbane's first transit-oriented development, The Milton, near Park Road. The final construction documents were signed last week.

[colinw]

Marissa Calligeros: Signed, sealed, delivered: Construction is due to begin any day on Brisbane's first transit-oriented development, The Milton, near Park Road. The final construction documents were signed last week.

Ah, so we now admit that the monstrosity at Yeerongpilly with the half hourly trains is NOT in fact a TOD.

[Golliwog]

Marissa Calligeros: Signed, sealed, delivered: Construction is due to begin any day on Brisbane's first transit-oriented development, The Milton, near Park Road. The final construction documents were signed last week.

Ah, so we now admit that the monstrosity at Yeerongpilly with the half hourly trains is NOT in fact a TOD.

I didn't think they actually started anything much at Yeerongpilly did they? I know they closed the DPI facility there and built the tennis centre, but didn't think they'd done anything with the DPI site.

[colinw]

I thought those apartments next to the King Arthur Tce extension were meant to be the first bit of the TOD.

[somebody]

I thought those apartments next to the King Arthur Tce extension were meant to be the first bit of the TOD.

Tennyson Reach?  They're a long way from the train station, either YLY or Tenny., so pretty unreasonable to count them as a TOD.

[skippy]

Nundah TOD coming along nicely


http://www.circanundah.com.au/gallery.php

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Investors cash in on Milton TOD

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Coorparoo Myer site to be Transit Oriented Development

[Gazza]

There will be a steady stream of international students who will use the apartments without car parking spaces most likely.

No parking space for one car means potentially a car using parking street

What's wrong with that?

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Old Myer site in Coorparoo to be redeveloped

[Old Northern Road]

Does the Milton TOD include an upgrade of Milton station? Platform 1 is pretty narrow.

Also I'm not sure how they can call that thing at Coorparoo a TOD considering that they are not even building the Eastern Busway anymore.

[longboi]

Does the Milton TOD include an upgrade of Milton station? Platform 1 is pretty narrow.

Also I'm not sure how they can call that thing at Coorparoo a TOD considering that they are not even building the Eastern Busway anymore.

TOD is just a gimmicky buzzword. It can be any sort of medium-high density development which is built along key transport corridors. You don't need a big piece of infrastructure to go with it.

[techblitz]

that entire retail area of Coorparoo needs a facelift badly and this development will kick-start things.
considering the Coorparoo shops has the 200/222/209/204 stopping just outside that complex...I would def call it transit orientated. Offpeak on the 200 for example one can get from there to the gabba in as little as 5 mins.
Coorparoo RSL and Easts Leagues club will benefit hugely from this as well.
Coorparoo is a definite hotspot...with great city views to boot 

[longboi]

It is a good spot. If I were a property mogul I would be buying up for the next 15-20 years.

Now that Wolloongabba and Stones Corner are beginning to see an urban renewal, Coorparoo seems to be the most logical next step.

[#Metro]

It is a good spot. If I were a property mogul I would be buying up for the next 15-20 years.

RAILBOT Investments Property Trust Pty Ltd 

[ozbob]

Atlantic Cities --> Vancouver's Canada Line Is a Model of Transit-Oriented Development

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Developers are looking to build apartments on two Queensland Rail commuter car parks in Brisbane

[Jonno]

At last but waych the Must have Car Parking at a Station complaints rain in!!!

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Newstead to soar with plan for five tower development

[SurfRail]

The Yeronga carpark must be the one which is usually 100% empty (opposite the RSL).  Good riddance.