Brisbane City Council: City Centre Interim Action Plan

[ozbob]

https://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/planning-and-building/planning-guidelines-and-tools/other-plans-and-projects/city-centre-interim-action-plan

Brisbane City Council is working with businesses and the community to strengthen the City Centre economy in the wake of coronavirus. The pandemic has impacted the way we live, work and relax in the City Centre, so Council is working on two new initiatives to help bring people back to the city to visit, shop and do business. One is a short-term City Centre Interim Action Plan and the other is the longer-term City Centre Master Plan.

Have your say > https://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/planning-and-building/planning-guidelines-and-tools/other-plans-and-projects/city-centre-interim-action-plan

[#Metro]

How about drop trading hours restrictions!

[Cazza]

I believe that's a state government responsibility, not council

[verbatim9]

Yeah saw this  as it was emailed today. I wonder how many people will mention Trams and segregated Bikeways as well as Wider Footpaths?

[Cazza]

We need a proper underground subway, not light rail. Indro to Hamilton via UQ, West End, Albert st, Kangaroo Point, Newstead and Bulimba. It would kill so many more birds with one stone and give the booming inner city areas the public transport infrastructure it needs.

[timh]

We need a proper underground subway, not light rail. Indro to Hamilton via UQ, West End, Albert st, Kangaroo Point, Newstead and Bulimba. It would kill so many more birds with one stone and give the booming inner city areas the public transport infrastructure it needs.

I agree with the subway. And inner city light rail will never happen until you can convince council to remove car lanes from Ann/Whickham streets (so basically never).

However I prefer not to go via UQ, and go to Toowong instead. Develop Toowong further as a cbd-like centre, and maximise the Busway corridor in UQ (including that weird underground extension to Chancellor's place that's floating around).

The rest of the alignment is great though, honestly would be such a benefit to a high density suburb like Newstead

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[#Metro]

I just filled out the survey. Encourage  24 hour trading is listed as an option.
Would be good for PT as the night services will collect fare revenue.

[Gazza]

We need a proper underground subway, not light rail. Indro to Hamilton via UQ, West End, Albert st, Kangaroo Point, Newstead and Bulimba. It would kill so many more birds with one stone and give the booming inner city areas the public transport infrastructure it needs.

I agree with the subway. And inner city light rail will never happen until you can convince council to remove car lanes from Ann/Whickham streets (so basically never).

However I prefer not to go via UQ, and go to Toowong instead. Develop Toowong further as a cbd-like centre, and maximise the Busway corridor in UQ (including that weird underground extension to Chancellor's place that's floating around).

The rest of the alignment is great though, honestly would be such a benefit to a high density suburb like Newstead

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TLDR: Toowong already has a quad track heavy rail and a direct route to the CBD
UQ has a number of bus routes, all with well-publicised delays, queuing, overcrowding, needing the BCC metro to squeeze extra capacity, and a 3x longer journey time but we continue to say "oh its got a busway that's good enough".

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I don't see  Toowong as more favourable IMO.
Toowong to the CBD is already a piece of p%ss, it's a straight line route to the CBD.
And to be honest, half the reason it's so busy is because people are using it to access UQ.

On the other hand, establishing Indro>UQ>CBD is more transformative because
-the hilly narrow congested streets of St Lucia are an unsolved problem
-Doing an out of system transfer between Chancellors Place and UQ lakes is not an attractive journey.
-It does actually serve as a decent "shortcut" for many potential journeys and will save time.
-Why does Toowong need a 2nd line more than UQ does?  Dont get me wrong, the busway bridge is good, but its still indirect for people coming from the north.
-And finally, most importantly, it would free up more bus km than perhaps any other project....

The busway will still be important for CRR pax and for those on the southside, but we shouldn't have to be working it so hard.
Wooloongabba has a busway station but nobody questioned the need for the CRR station, did they?

[SteelPan]

We need a proper underground subway, not light rail. Indro to Hamilton via UQ, West End, Albert st, Kangaroo Point, Newstead and Bulimba. It would kill so many more birds with one stone and give the booming inner city areas the public transport infrastructure it needs.

Back this idea 10,000% how many more decades will pass...... 

Also, beyond a romantic journey to the past, trams are not rapid transit, they are simply another surface vehicle - a BIG one! Yes, they can have their moment in the Sun, but 90% of suggestions for them are simply feel good fluff!

[tazzer9]

We need a proper underground subway, not light rail. Indro to Hamilton via UQ, West End, Albert st, Kangaroo Point, Newstead and Bulimba. It would kill so many more birds with one stone and give the booming inner city areas the public transport infrastructure it needs.

This, but connecting the eastern end to cannon hill and personally would rather the western end end at somehwere like corinda.    Having it somewhere like corinda means its a capacity increase for the ipswich line as well. 


UQ is already the second most popular commuting location in the whole state, only beaten by the brisbane CBD.  The real question is where you would place the station, would it be near the lakes, chancellors places, or right in the middle of the great court. 

[verbatim9]

I am all in favour for the Indooroopilly UQ West End alignment, but this community engagement is only for the CBD area. So a surface loop tram maybe relevant.

[Cazza]

Yes start the foam machines he's come up with an idea that is logical but likely not to happen blah blah blah...

Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I've just drawn up a visual of my idea for an Inner City Subway (see here: https://www.google.com.au/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1Mvk9EUGgp3iEcbXfVsuqGNrMJ4RwiS-m&usp=sharing). No technical analysis what so ever has gone on, no environmental analysis, no strong regard for where station portals will be etc, just a pure goal of providing mass transit for the areas that really need it and provide new quick and easy connections that currently can't be achieved.

Key points from it:
- The Indro-Hamilton stage should be constructed first, running via UQ, West End, South Brisbane, Albert St, Kangaroo Point, Fortitude Valley, Newstead and Bulimba.
- Future stages from Hamilton to Toombul via Doomben and Skygate, as well as Bulimba to Morningside via Hawthorne. There is also the potential for an Indro-Darra stage via Kenmore, however, the potential cost doesn't seem to outweigh the proposed patronage. Nothing bus improvements in this area can't handle.
- Pretty much fully underground, except the section between Hendra and Toombul which could be elevated, similar to and running along side the Airtrain.

This, but connecting the eastern end to cannon hill and personally would rather the western end end at somehwere like corinda.    Having it somewhere like corinda means its a capacity increase for the ipswich line as well. 

Until I hear reports of Ipswich trains running every 3 mins and still all being full, I don't think the capacity on the Ipswich Line is an issue. Fix the Darra crossovers and give Oxley Station a 4th platform, and if then, there's issues arising after those capacity increases, then consideration should be made. However, there is still plenty of capacity to be squeezed out of the Darra-CBD corridor first .

UQ is already the second most popular commuting location in the whole state, only beaten by the brisbane CBD.  The real question is where you would place the station, would it be near the lakes, chancellors places, or right in the middle of the great court. 

I've chosen Chancellor's Pl for 2 main reasons:
1- Cheaper and easier with the routing I've gone for. Speaks for itself.
2- UQ Lakes Station will cater for all those travelling to the South/East, Chancellor's Pl to cater for everyone travelling North or West. That seems the most logical to me anyway.

So a surface loop' tram maybe relevant.

Probably not. The CBD as it is is pretty walkable- you can pretty much get from anywhere to anywhere within 15 mins or so. Journeys further out can be made by a walk to bus or train station. The Free CBD loops also provide coverage to some of those current less-public-transport-accessible locations.

Loop trams do not work and won't work in Brisbane's setting, particularly when CRR will provide greater coverage to the South-Eastern CBD and large improvements to the pedestrian/cycle networks are being undertaken. There's nothing bus priority in the CBD can't achieve that trams will be able to do, with about 1/200th of the price tag.

[timh]

Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I've just drawn up a visual of my idea for an Inner City Subway (see here: https://www.google.com.au/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1Mvk9EUGgp3iEcbXfVsuqGNrMJ4RwiS-m&usp=sharing). No technical analysis what so ever has gone on, no environmental analysis, no strong regard for where station portals will be etc, just a pure goal of providing mass transit for the areas that really need it and provide new quick and easy connections that currently can't be achieved.

Key points from it:
- The Indro-Hamilton stage should be constructed first, running via UQ, West End, South Brisbane, Albert St, Kangaroo Point, Fortitude Valley, Newstead and Bulimba.
- Future stages from Hamilton to Toombul via Doomben and Skygate, as well as Bulimba to Morningside via Hawthorne. There is also the potential for an Indro-Darra stage via Kenmore, however, the potential cost doesn't seem to outweigh the proposed patronage. Nothing bus improvements in this area can't handle.
- Pretty much fully underground, except the section between Hendra and Toombul which could be elevated, similar to and running along side the Airtrain

You know what I'm actually down for this alignment now. You made some great points. Bonus points if the Busway can be extended under UQ to meet your metro station (whole we're in foam territory).

What about New Farm though? It feels like it could be on the alignment, instead of going via the valley.

I dunno about your alignment at the Hamilton end though. I would terminate at the Eastern end of Hamilton Northshore near the ferry terminus, and I would link it to the northern rail network via an extension of the Doomben line to terminate at that same Eastern Hamilton terminus.


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