Off peak fare discount - SEQ What should be the discount?

[ozbob]

Fares SEQ Queensland

https://translink.com.au/tickets-and-fares/fares-and-zones/current-fares

[ozbob]

Opal Sydney

" When you travel outside of peak times with an Opal card, your metro/train fares are discounted by 30%. This is automatically calculated when you tap off at the end of your journey. "

https://transportnsw.info/tickets-opal/opal/opal-benefits

[ozbob]

Adelaide Metro

Interpeak cf. to peak, 45% discount using regular metrocard.

https://adelaidemetro.com.au/Tickets-Fares/Fares

[Gazza]

No change.

Generate patronage off peak by providing more high frequency off peak rail and bus services, particularly in the West.
Spend the funds on that.

[techblitz]

Just paid a total of 8.53 for Caloundra - pine rd richlands......no rorting or fare evasion.....don't think you could ask for a better discount than that in the off-peak...

[Gazza]

When we have people forking out large amounts to use uber, to me that says the bulk of people are not as sensitive to cost as is made out.

People already looking to save money are already using PT, so a $1 discount or whatever won't cause shifts.

[James]

Just paid a total of 8.53 for Caloundra - pine rd richlands......no rorting or fare evasion.....don't think you could ask for a better discount than that in the off-peak...

Given that trip travel time is double that of a car (possibly up to triple depending on your location), and one-way your fuel cost would be about $15-20, I wouldn't exactly rave about it at that price. That is what I'd expect to pay.

The problem is not so much long trips, but short trips. While Caloundra - Richlands is $8.53, to travel from the Cultural Centre to the Valley costs $2.63. Why are short trips so expensive?

[techblitz]

(possibly up to triple depending on your location),

1 hour to pine rd puts you at Narangba....that is nowhere near Caloundra  :conf

Cultural Centre to the Valley costs $2.63. Why are short trips so expensive?

whats so expensive about 2.63?  and doesn't it warrant that price given how much 'turn up and go' frequency is provided between those two points??

[ozbob]

Thanks to those members who voted.  Of those who voted there is a consensus that an increase in the off peak discount is preferred.

The authorities might have to do that sooner than later to start to manage peak congestion.  Time will tell.

I voted for 30%.  I think that is good sweet point. 

[verbatim9]

Thanks to those members who voted.  Of those who voted there is a consensus that an increase in the off peak discount is preferred.

The authorities might have to do that sooner than later to start to manage peak congestion.  Time will tell.

I voted for 30%.  I think that is good sweet point.

Also allow offpeak touch ons until 6.30 or 7am and 30% as previously mentioned in an earlier post. 

[achiruel]

^ I think 6:30 is reasonable. I think 7am is probably well within actual peak usage.

In Sydney, interurban AM peak starts and finishes an hour earlier than metro. Something worth considering?

[Paul B]

I recall buying a "discounted" return ticket when travelling outbound on the morning AM in sydney. not sure if it was a huge amount, maybe 20-30%? definitely wasn't peak fares

[James]

(possibly up to triple depending on your location),

1 hour to pine rd puts you at Narangba....that is nowhere near Caloundra  :conf

Starting at the headland at Kings Beach and going to the door of a home near Pine Road is closer to 3hr30mins. In clear traffic, you can do the same trip in 1hr20mins. I am sure you could find a worse scenario than that, but it isn't like the Caloundra bus station is convenient for the entire area. As long as you value 2hr10mins of your time more than $12-15, the car will win every time.

Not to mention your car runs more than every 90 minutes and does not misconnect either...

whats so expensive about 2.63?  and doesn't it warrant that price given how much 'turn up and go' frequency is provided between those two points??

It is expensive given a trip from the Cultural Centre to Toombul costs the same amount - likewise a 1km trip by PT also costs the same amount. And we wonder why so many short trips are occurring in cars...

[techblitz]

It is expensive given a trip from the Cultural Centre to Toombul costs the same amount

Less frequency but further distance to toombul....compared to a cc-valley commuter having higher frequency and less distance to travel.....evens itself out imho...
I dont see any issues with inner city prices.....patronage also going great guns...if people thought 2.** was expensive then patronage would dive...or they would jump on scooters..

As long as you value 2hr10mins of your time more than $12-15, the car will win every time.

oh dear.....perhaps I should have just kept my mouth shut if I knew you were going to over-analyse and nitpick to make out the 8.53 public transport trip as some sort of ripoff vs using a car.
Who friggin cares about cars......as for the 2hour 10 snippet....yes I do...because I don't have to deal with the issues of driving a car...and can tend to things like paperwork or take a kip on the train..

[#Metro]

Oh yeah... the old " i want a discount " discussion

Older people want a discount because their age

Younger people want a discount because their age

Frequent travellers want a discount because of their loyalty

Infrequent travellers want a discount because they want 'encouragement'

Long distance travellers want a discount because of the long distance

Short distance travellers want a discount because they don't go far

and so on and so on


If the purpose is to increase patonage, you would not touch fares... What you would do is wholesale rationalisation of the bus stop

locations and stopping patterns on the bus network. You would do bus reform, increase the speed of services and frequency.

Increasing patronage from discounting is very expensive ... offer quality and people will pay for that.