New Green Bridges Brisbane

[Gazza]

Has this been posted?

https://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020-04/20200417%20-%20Green%20Bridges%20Initial%20Consultation%20Outcomes%20-%20March%202020.pdf

Basically, the KP bridge had high levels of support.
The Breakfast Creek one is basically just to fix a scope gap from the KSD upgrade.
The West End bridges are strongly pedestrian only.

The Bellbowrie bridge got shitcanned (predictably) because it's in a stupid location in the middle of a farm and too far from existing houses.
Residents want it to be for all vehicles.

Plot twist: Seems like residents down that way have come around to the idea of a 2nd bridge. I think moggil rd has just become unbearable at this point, and keeping the riff raff out is not all its cracked up to be.

The council will be holding another round of consultation for that bridge specifically....

[verbatim9]

Interesting feedback. I attended a meeting at the landing point on the West end side. Residents were wanting more bus services and new bus stops, but not.using the Green Bridge and landing points to provide  those services.  I argued if buses can use the Green Bridge?  Then there will be more turn up and go buses for the area. In a few years buses will be whisper quiet being electric and emissions free. This will ensure quiet operations day and night at the landing point in West End.

Cr Sri added that adding services to Montegue road would be mayhem. He noted that some residents wanted High Frequency bus stops moved to different locations and more stops added. He replied by adding stops it wouldn't be a High frequency Glider service anymore and will slow down travel times. ("which he is right about moving and adding stops")

^^Catch 22 for West end for not wanting a Green Bridge with Public Transport services.

[verbatim9]

As for Bellbowrie I did put in a submission to support Council's proposal at Weekes road to Wacol.

For flood mitigation purposes and to keep supply chain open and running if a flood were to occur.

I also supported this proposal for urban renewal and development around the proposed landing points.

The River is also a tiny bit narrower at the Weekes road proposal.

I am not against a bridge down at Bellbowrie from Sumners road but the benefits maybe short lived over the long term.

It's ironic just 14 years ago an off ramp from the Ipswich Motorway was to connect Moggil to the road network at that end. Residents were strongy opposed. Now they are wanting just that! A general vehicle bridge.

[verbatim9]

I reckon scrap or move the St Lucia to West end Bridge Build a dedicated Mass Transit bridge and corridor from South Brisbane West End St Lucia UQ then to Indooroopilly and to Kenmore via Chapel Hill.

The mass transit corridor could also have a shared path for cyclists and pedestrians for its entire length  it would be a win for many in the community. It would also encourage an active lifestyle with new safe shared path infrastructure.

[City Designer]

It's ironic just 14 years ago an off ramp from the Ipswich Motorway was to connect Moggil to the road network at that end. Residents were strongy opposed. Now they are wanting just that! A general vehicle bridge.

Are you referring to the Goodna Bypass (Logan Motorway extension)? That did not have any on or off ramps.

[verbatim9]

It's ironic just 14 years ago an off ramp from the Ipswich Motorway was to connect Moggil to the road network at that end. Residents were strongy opposed. Now they are wanting just that! A general vehicle bridge.

Are you referring to the Goodna Bypass (Logan Motorway extension)? That did not have any on or off ramps.

There was a proposal just before the Howard Government was voted out.

[Gazza]

As for Bellbowrie I did put in a submission to support Council's proposal at Weekes road to Wacol.


I also supported this proposal for urban renewal and development around the proposed landing points.

Would it though? On the Wacol side of the river it's sporting fields, and low lying land...What sort of urban renewal did you have in mind?

[Cazza]

I'm sorry, but I think I'm with the majority on this one. Sumners Rd is probably the perfect landing spot on the eastern side. A green bridge to Riverhills would completely open up the Moggill/Bellbowrie peninsula, only given that a frequent bus service runs to both Darra Station and Mt Ommaney Centre.

1- The urban renewal you talk about Verbatim isn't really anything more than a dream at this point. As Gazza said, some parts are pretty low lying and in the council city plan, it's been zoned as a specialised centre (for education and research- Wolston House), special purpose (detention facility) and sport and recreational facility. No sort of "emerging community" or anything like that.

2- Easy access to Mt Ommaney shopping centre (if it was a general traffic bridge, that would obviously take a lot of pressure of Moggill Rd through Kenmore and for those Indro shoppers). I would prefer it to be a green bridge just because of the sheer fact that Sumners Rd and Riverhills would just get overloaded with traffic trying to avoid Moggill Rd. It would also allow for Riverhills residents to walk, cycle or get the bus west to Bellbowrie Plaza if they so choose that over Mt Ommaney.

3- Easy access for bus feeders to Darra. Not only is Darra the last station before the Ipswich peak hour expresses start their fly through into the city, but it also provides commuters with the option to travel towards both Ipswich and Springfield. At Wacol, customers for Springfield would have to get an inbound train one station to Darra, then change for a Springfield bound service. Also, if a feeder bus to Wacol Station was introduced, it would just service the Moggill community before running for about 3km past open fields, a shooting complex, cattle breeder and 2 prisons- not much of that springs to be patronage generators in my mind. Whereas a bus to Darra would service Moggill, Bellbowrie as well as Riverhills and the whole Sumners Rd corridor (with reach into parts of Middle Park and Jamboree Heights too).

I feel that the community would get more bang for their buck with a Riverhills landing point, rather than landing at Wacol. Apart from Wacol Station, there isn't really much more to that area that would be of any interest to those living in Moggill. For those heading west, the ferry still operates connecting the Warrego/Cunningham Highways and beyond. It's only really the south east of Wacol that misses out here. But that's nothing a bus transfer at Darra can't fix (obviously, much more frequent and reliable services from Darra to Inala/Forest Lake are needed).

That's how I see it anyway.

[Gazza]

Agree with the above.

I think if the bridge were built, you'd reduce the 444 to half hourly, to Indooroopilly only.

The Sumner Rd Interchange is being upgraded so i think that alleviates many of the concerns with respect to traffic on Sumner Rd and bus reliability too.

In terms of routes for the area, it becomes.

-Bellbowrie to Darra direct
-Forest lake to Indooroopilly via Mt Ommaney and Arrabri Ave
-Bellbowrie to Indooroopilly via Horizin Drive.

[verbatim9]

As for Bellbowrie I did put in a submission to support Council's proposal at Weekes road to Wacol.


I also supported this proposal for urban renewal and development around the proposed landing points.

Would it though? On the Wacol side of the river it's sporting fields, and low lying land...What sort of urban renewal did you have in mind?

I'm sorry, but I think I'm with the majority on this one. Sumners Rd is probably the perfect landing spot on the eastern side. A green bridge to Riverhills would completely open up the Moggill/Bellbowrie peninsula, only given that a frequent bus service runs to both Darra Station and Mt Ommaney Centre.

1- The urban renewal you talk about Verbatim isn't really anything more than a dream at this point. As Gazza said, some parts are pretty low lying and in the council city plan, it's been zoned as a specialised centre (for education and research- Wolston House), special purpose (detention facility) and sport and recreational facility. No sort of "emerging community" or anything like that.

2- Easy access to Mt Ommaney shopping centre (if it was a general traffic bridge, that would obviously take a lot of pressure of Moggill Rd through Kenmore and for those Indro shoppers). I would prefer it to be a green bridge just because of the sheer fact that Sumners Rd and Riverhills would just get overloaded with traffic trying to avoid Moggill Rd. It would also allow for Riverhills residents to walk, cycle or get the bus west to Bellbowrie Plaza if they so choose that over Mt Ommaney.

3- Easy access for bus feeders to Darra. Not only is Darra the last station before the Ipswich peak hour expresses start their fly through into the city, but it also provides commuters with the option to travel towards both Ipswich and Springfield. At Wacol, customers for Springfield would have to get an inbound train one station to Darra, then change for a Springfield bound service. Also, if a feeder bus to Wacol Station was introduced, it would just service the Moggill community before running for about 3km past open fields, a shooting complex, cattle breeder and 2 prisons- not much of that springs to be patronage generators in my mind. Whereas a bus to Darra would service Moggill, Bellbowrie as well as Riverhills and the whole Sumners Rd corridor (with reach into parts of Middle Park and Jamboree Heights too).

I feel that the community would get more bang for their buck with a Riverhills landing point, rather than landing at Wacol. Apart from Wacol Station, there isn't really much more to that area that would be of any interest to those living in Moggill. For those heading west, the ferry still operates connecting the Warrego/Cunningham Highways and beyond. It's only really the south east of Wacol that misses out here. But that's nothing a bus transfer at Darra can't fix (obviously, much more frequent and reliable services from Darra to Inala/Forest Lake are needed).

That's how I see it anyway.

Agree with the above.

I think if the bridge were built, you'd reduce the 444 to half hourly, to Indooroopilly only.

The Sumner Rd Interchange is being upgraded so i think that alleviates many of the concerns with respect to traffic on Sumner Rd and bus reliability too.

In terms of routes for the area, it becomes.

-Bellbowrie to Darra direct
-Forest lake to Indooroopilly via Mt Ommaney and Arrabri Ave
-Bellbowrie to Indooroopilly via Horizin Drive.

I like the Wacol proposal as it will create urban renewal on the Moggil side as well as create an eco active tourism area on both the Moggill and Wacol side. This will be ideal for cyclists and walkers with an active lifestyle in mind. This is in line with BCC's and the Qld Government's active lifestyle charter. A cafe/bar can be built on the Moggil side of the bridge. This can be used for functions at night as well as general visits for coffee drinks and meals. This area could potentially be turned into a local active tourism drawcard for Brisbane. Even at night with modern LED character lighting.

Public Transport can be enhanced with connections to both Wacol and Darra then  looping around Monier road the Centenary SC and back to Moggill. This can be a full time loop running every 20 mins

If there are issues on the Wacol side with flooding no doubt the road could be elevated for a few 100 metres before meeting at ground level.

The area around Wacol with this project has also been earmarked as an Active lifestyle destination.

I also like how Council has flood mitigation in mind. All it takes is a rain depression in summer, flood gates open at Wivenhoe, then wam bam Bellbowrie SC under water again. This is why they are building a new SC opposite Moggill school as well.

[verbatim9]

Agree with the above.

I think if the bridge were built, you'd reduce the 444 to half hourly, to Indooroopilly only.

The Sumner Rd Interchange is being upgraded so i think that alleviates many of the concerns with respect to traffic on Sumner Rd and bus reliability too.

In terms of routes for the area, it becomes.

-Bellbowrie to Darra direct
-Forest lake to Indooroopilly via Mt Ommaney and Arrabri Ave
-Bellbowrie to Indooroopilly via Horizin Drive.

Truncating the 444 is not ideal untill they have a Mass Transit corridor built out to Kenmore Village. The bus then can terminate at Kenmore Village for transfers to the mass transit option.

[#Metro]

Truncating the 444 is not ideal untill they have a Mass Transit corridor built out to Kenmore Village. The bus then can terminate at Kenmore Village for transfers to the mass transit option.

There is a heavy rail line, that is a mass transit corridor.

[verbatim9]

Truncating the 444 is not ideal untill they have a Mass Transit corridor built out to Kenmore Village. The bus then can terminate at Kenmore Village for transfers to the mass transit option.

There is a heavy rail line, that is a mass transit corridor.

Not for Kenmore  Brookfield or Chapel Hill residents.

[#Metro]

Not for Kenmore  Brookfield or Chapel Hill residents.

Why not? The bus goes past Indooroopilly and Toowong train stations. Build an interchange.

[Cazza]

Slap down some bus or transit lanes along Moggill Rd with bus priority at intersections between Kenmore and Indro Station, truncate services at Indro and bam there's your BRT style service.

I think it's Brisbane Development (the website) that has a map floating around of a concept subway style service from UQ (?) to Hamilton via West End, the CBD and Newstead which would be more feasible.

Not sure where it is, I'm sure it's floating around on RBoT somewhere.

[verbatim9]

Slap down some bus or transit lanes along Moggill Rd with bus priority at intersections between Kenmore and Indro Station, truncate services at Indro and bam there's your BRT style service.

I think it's Brisbane Development (the website) that has a map floating around of a concept subway style service from UQ (?) to Hamilton via West End, the CBD and Newstead which would be more feasible.

Not sure where it is, I'm sure it's floating around on RBoT somewhere.

That would be the line Kenmore to Skygate via UQ West end and the City. The idea has been around long before Brisbane Development's simulation. No room along Moggill road for dedicated Bus lanes. Especially between Kenmore and Chapel Hill.

[SurfRail]

^ West of Indooroopilly is not exactly a massive growth area that would justify that kind of investment.  A Sumners Rd bridge connects the outermost parts to Darra, and the inner parts feed into Indooroopilly.  No different to how bus-rail feeders work anywhere else in the network.

[Cazza]

No room along Moggill road for dedicated Bus lanes. Especially between Kenmore and Chapel Hill.

If you're calling for a mass transit corridor down Moggill Rd, then you would be more than happy to sacrifice a lane of traffic for a bus (or even transit lane as I mentioned) from Kenmore inbound. This would be far cheaper to do so as well as would better suit the low density area than an expensive and under-utilised tunnel. Also, once you get to around Chapel Hill Rd, theres probably more than enough room to add an extra lane if council really wanted too.

FYI, I'm not advocating this idea, I'm just saying that bus lanes could work if you really wanted it to.

[James]

Not really sure what this fuss is all about with BRT lanes along Moggill Road. If you have the 444 running to Darra and a coverage route going from Moggill to Indooroopilly (say the 441), the 441 is no longer the priority route and doesn't require bus lanes. Aside from the 444, the only other route to run along Moggill Road past Marshall Lane is the 435.

A proper network would have all the buses terminating at Indooroopilly, in which case your main issue is providing priority between Marshall Lane and Indooroopilly State School - if it is even justified. I doubt you'd be able to make one lane T2 without causing community outrage, in which case you'd be widening the road to provide BRT ($$$). Not smart money to spend in an area which isn't flagged for significant growth in coming decades.

I like the Wacol proposal as it will create urban renewal on the Moggil side as well as create an eco active tourism area on both the Moggill and Wacol side. This will be ideal for cyclists and walkers with an active lifestyle in mind. This is in line with BCC's and the Qld Government's active lifestyle charter. A cafe/bar can be built on the Moggil side of the bridge. This can be used for functions at night as well as general visits for coffee drinks and meals. This area could potentially be turned into a local active tourism drawcard for Brisbane. Even at night with modern LED character lighting.

Public Transport can be enhanced with connections to both Wacol and Darra then  looping around Monier road the Centenary SC and back to Moggill. This can be a full time loop running every 20 mins

If there are issues on the Wacol side with flooding no doubt the road could be elevated for a few 100 metres before meeting at ground level.

The area around Wacol with this project has also been earmarked as an Active lifestyle destination.

I also like how Council has flood mitigation in mind. All it takes is a rain depression in summer, flood gates open at Wivenhoe, then wam bam Bellbowrie SC under water again. This is why they are building a new SC opposite Moggill school as well.

First - Bellbowrie SC only goes under in a 1 in 100 flood. You don't really design shopping centres to withstand major floods like that, you just insure and accept that repairs will be a part of life. I imagine Coles is moving to get access to a better facility.

I also don't see any opportunities for Wacol to undergo 'urban renewal' or enhancement. Every big city needs its place where not very nice things & not very nice people go. Brisbane has Wacol to house its prisons, mental asylums and provide agricultural quarantine facilities (we're talking diseased animals here). Yes, these facilities are secure, but it still does not make for an attractive place to live.

Combine this with the suburb's distance from the CBD, you really don't have a good opportunity for urban renewal. The main focus of any bridge in this area is to get people from Moggill / Bellbowrie to transit quickly to help get cars off Moggill Road in peak hour and provide local connectivity.

PS - re: flood resistance, both Sumners Road and Grindle Road (Wacol) appear to be affected by 1 in 100 flooding, Grindle Road more so. It appears that the Wacol option was probably chosen for economy (smaller span distance) rather than what is best for the network. Unsurprising this is now going for further consultation.

[verbatim9]

Not really sure what this fuss is all about with BRT lanes along Moggill Road. If you have the 444 running to Darra and a coverage route going from Moggill to Indooroopilly (say the 441), the 441 is no longer the priority route and doesn't require bus lanes. Aside from the 444, the only other route to run along Moggill Road past Marshall Lane is the 435.

A proper network would have all the buses terminating at Indooroopilly, in which case your main issue is providing priority between Marshall Lane and Indooroopilly State School - if it is even justified. I doubt you'd be able to make one lane T2 without causing community outrage, in which case you'd be widening the road to provide BRT ($$$). Not smart money to spend in an area which isn't flagged for significant growth in coming decades.

I like the Wacol proposal as it will create urban renewal on the Moggil side as well as create an eco active tourism area on both the Moggill and Wacol side. This will be ideal for cyclists and walkers with an active lifestyle in mind. This is in line with BCC's and the Qld Government's active lifestyle charter. A cafe/bar can be built on the Moggil side of the bridge. This can be used for functions at night as well as general visits for coffee drinks and meals. This area could potentially be turned into a local active tourism drawcard for Brisbane. Even at night with modern LED character lighting.

Public Transport can be enhanced with connections to both Wacol and Darra then  looping around Monier road the Centenary SC and back to Moggill. This can be a full time loop running every 20 mins

If there are issues on the Wacol side with flooding no doubt the road could be elevated for a few 100 metres before meeting at ground level.

The area around Wacol with this project has also been earmarked as an Active lifestyle destination.

I also like how Council has flood mitigation in mind. All it takes is a rain depression in summer, flood gates open at Wivenhoe, then wam bam Bellbowrie SC under water again. This is why they are building a new SC opposite Moggill school as well.

First - Bellbowrie SC only goes under in a 1 in 100 flood. You don't really design shopping centres to withstand major floods like that, you just insure and accept that repairs will be a part of life. I imagine Coles is moving to get access to a better facility.

I also don't see any opportunities for Wacol to undergo 'urban renewal' or enhancement. Every big city needs its place where not very nice things & not very nice people go. Brisbane has Wacol to house its prisons, mental asylums and provide agricultural quarantine facilities (we're talking diseased animals here). Yes, these facilities are secure, but it still does not make for an attractive place to live.

Combine this with the suburb's distance from the CBD, you really don't have a good opportunity for urban renewal. The main focus of any bridge in this area is to get people from Moggill / Bellbowrie to transit quickly to help get cars off Moggill Road in peak hour and provide local connectivity.

PS - re: flood resistance, both Sumners Road and Grindle Road (Wacol) appear to be affected by 1 in 100 flooding, Grindle Road more so. It appears that the Wacol option was probably chosen for economy (smaller span distance) rather than what is best for the network. Unsurprising this is now going for further consultation.

Bellbowrie SC has gone under twice in the last 50 years and close going under 3 times. More like 6 in 100 event.

I can't see the benefits either in widening Moggill road for transit lanes.

A real solution to get people onto Public transport is a fast mass transit corridor that can take you across town in 40mins max, instead of 90 mins.

^^We all know about the blow out in travel times regarding crosstown trips. e.g Transfers, waiting and overall trip duration in congestion.

At the moment it's quicker to get a train from Roma Street to Helensvale than it is with a bus from Kenmore to Skygate.

[Gazza]

As for Bellbowrie I did put in a submission to support Council's proposal at Weekes road to Wacol.


I also supported this proposal for urban renewal and development around the proposed landing points.

Would it though? On the Wacol side of the river it's sporting fields, and low lying land...What sort of urban renewal did you have in mind?

I'm sorry, but I think I'm with the majority on this one. Sumners Rd is probably the perfect landing spot on the eastern side. A green bridge to Riverhills would completely open up the Moggill/Bellbowrie peninsula, only given that a frequent bus service runs to both Darra Station and Mt Ommaney Centre.

1- The urban renewal you talk about Verbatim isn't really anything more than a dream at this point. As Gazza said, some parts are pretty low lying and in the council city plan, it's been zoned as a specialised centre (for education and research- Wolston House), special purpose (detention facility) and sport and recreational facility. No sort of "emerging community" or anything like that.

2- Easy access to Mt Ommaney shopping centre (if it was a general traffic bridge, that would obviously take a lot of pressure of Moggill Rd through Kenmore and for those Indro shoppers). I would prefer it to be a green bridge just because of the sheer fact that Sumners Rd and Riverhills would just get overloaded with traffic trying to avoid Moggill Rd. It would also allow for Riverhills residents to walk, cycle or get the bus west to Bellbowrie Plaza if they so choose that over Mt Ommaney.

3- Easy access for bus feeders to Darra. Not only is Darra the last station before the Ipswich peak hour expresses start their fly through into the city, but it also provides commuters with the option to travel towards both Ipswich and Springfield. At Wacol, customers for Springfield would have to get an inbound train one station to Darra, then change for a Springfield bound service. Also, if a feeder bus to Wacol Station was introduced, it would just service the Moggill community before running for about 3km past open fields, a shooting complex, cattle breeder and 2 prisons- not much of that springs to be patronage generators in my mind. Whereas a bus to Darra would service Moggill, Bellbowrie as well as Riverhills and the whole Sumners Rd corridor (with reach into parts of Middle Park and Jamboree Heights too).

I feel that the community would get more bang for their buck with a Riverhills landing point, rather than landing at Wacol. Apart from Wacol Station, there isn't really much more to that area that would be of any interest to those living in Moggill. For those heading west, the ferry still operates connecting the Warrego/Cunningham Highways and beyond. It's only really the south east of Wacol that misses out here. But that's nothing a bus transfer at Darra can't fix (obviously, much more frequent and reliable services from Darra to Inala/Forest Lake are needed).

That's how I see it anyway.

Agree with the above.

I think if the bridge were built, you'd reduce the 444 to half hourly, to Indooroopilly only.

The Sumner Rd Interchange is being upgraded so i think that alleviates many of the concerns with respect to traffic on Sumner Rd and bus reliability too.

In terms of routes for the area, it becomes.

-Bellbowrie to Darra direct
-Forest lake to Indooroopilly via Mt Ommaney and Arrabri Ave
-Bellbowrie to Indooroopilly via Horizin Drive.

I like the Wacol proposal as it will create urban renewal on the Moggil side as well as create an eco active tourism area on both the Moggill and Wacol side. This will be ideal for cyclists and walkers with an active lifestyle in mind. This is in line with BCC's and the Qld Government's active lifestyle charter. A cafe/bar can be built on the Moggil side of the bridge. This can be used for functions at night as well as general visits for coffee drinks and meals. This area could potentially be turned into a local active tourism drawcard for Brisbane. Even at night with modern LED character lighting.

Public Transport can be enhanced with connections to both Wacol and Darra then  looping around Monier road the Centenary SC and back to Moggill. This can be a full time loop running every 20 mins

If there are issues on the Wacol side with flooding no doubt the road could be elevated for a few 100 metres before meeting at ground level.

The area around Wacol with this project has also been earmarked as an Active lifestyle destination.

I also like how Council has flood mitigation in mind. All it takes is a rain depression in summer, flood gates open at Wivenhoe, then wam bam Bellbowrie SC under water again. This is why they are building a new SC opposite Moggill school as well.

I think building very expensive infrastructure on the basis of creating some eco dining thing with LED lighting is a bit of a bizzare set of priorities.

the priority of a new bridge should be providing the most direct travel from point A to point B, not some council sales pitch about being an active city.

If you build the bridge at the end of Sumners Road, you can still build paths leading South from that point to Woolston farmhouse.

And a restaurant could be attached to Centenary Rowing Club.

Building a green bridge in the middle of nowhere Means you'd get an outcome like the green bridge between Bannockburn and Yatala

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Lack of community support may stop Bellbowrie green bridge

Brisbane City Council may have to go back to the drawing board on plans to deliver five new green bridges across the city, with residents in one area rallying strongly for a traffic crossing.

A "VERY concerning" lack of support could halt the progress on one of Brisbane's five new green bridges with residents dissatisfied about the location and use of the bridge.

Findings from a survey presented to Brisbane City Council's Public and Active Transport Committee this morning, showed 46 per cent of the 545 respondents who commented about the Bellbowrie Bridge saw "little benefit" in a bridge that cannot accommodate cars.

Seventy-two per cent of those respondents who commented on the Bellbowrie bridge "strongly disagreed" with the bridge's alignment, while 63 per cent said they would never or rarely use the bridge.

Meanwhile, planned green bridges Kangaroo Point, St Lucia, Toowong and Breakfast Creek attracted majority support from residents, with at least 50 per cent of respondents saying they'd use their respective bridge weekly or daily.

Pullenvale Ward Counsellor Greg Adermann said the lack of support for the Bellbowrie bridge was "very concerning for such a key piece of infrastructure".

"My community is telling me ... if there's to be a bridge at Bellbowrie it must carry cars," Cr Adermann said.

He called for a revised consultation period "to make sure we deliver what my community really wants".

The Bellbowrie bridge is proposed to link Weeks Rd at Bellbowrie and Grindle Rd at Wacol, incorporating Pullenvale and Jamboree wards – the only two Brisbane wards to elect new councillors at this year's elections.

Opposition Leader Jared Cassidy said the green bridge program was already in disarray, with LNP councillors bickering among themselves and bridges being scrapped on a whim.

"The committee chair now plans to just pluck another bridge out of thin air ­but seems to have no idea where. These things cost hundreds of millions of ratepayer dollars ­– the lack of planning is frightening and appalling," Cr Cassidy said.

"How did they get it so wrong in the first place?"

Committee chair Councillor Ryan Murphy said a revised consultation about the bridge would take place before planning for the Bellbowrie bridge could proceed.

"At the end of the day the program ... is to deliver five green bridges and a bridge that carries cars is not a green bridge."

"So it wouldn't fit in under this program ... if that bridge is a bridge that residents out there desire for cars, we'll need to find an additional green bridge for our program."

Bridge 4 Bellbowrie Akdvocacy Group spokesman Simon Ingram previously told The Courier-Mail that there was strong support for a general traffic bridge.

"A green bridge is good for emergency services and cyclists, but the majority of people are not commuting to the city, about 85 per cent of the traffic on Moggill Rd is driving to other locations."

Brisbane Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner said the Kangaroo Point green bridge would be fast tracked following the community's positive response, "to provide a new way for people to get in and out of the city".

Construction of the Kangaroo Point Green Bridge is expected to begin in 2021, 'with the bridge at Breakfast Creek to follow'.

[verbatim9]

They should go ahead with a Green Bridge at Bellbowrie with assurances it may be converted into a regular traffic bridge if the Green model is unsuccessful, after a 6 year trial period?

Building a bridge for regular traffic won't reap the benefits over the longer term. In regards to an active lifestyle, increasing public transport usage.and reduced congestion.

[Gazza]

In regards to an active lifestyle

See im still not sure why this is a key point.
If you want to give Bellbowrie an active lifestyle, just build some cheap new walking paths and playgrounds.

[ozbob]

BCC
https://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-and-transport/roads-infrastructure-and-bikeways/green-bridges/have-your-say-on-five-new-green-bridges-for-brisbane

Have your say on five new green bridges

Community and stakeholder feedback is critical to the development of Brisbane City Council's five new green bridges.

In late 2019, Council invited the community to have their say on the Green Bridges Program.

This initial phase of consultation introduced the Green Bridges Program to the community and provided people with an opportunity to give feedback during the early planning stages for each bridge.

Approximately 3500 people participated in the consultation program, with 3385 pieces of feedback received.

Council has completed a detailed analysis of all feedback received and prepared an Initial Consultation Outcomes report.

Download the report:

Initial Consultation Outcomes report (PDF - 7.45Mb)
Initial Consultation Outcomes report (Word - 7.22Mb).

Feedback from the initial consultation phase will help to shape and define future stages of the projects, including design development and the preparation of business cases for each bridge.

[johnnigh]

The bus/ped/cycle bridge proposal to link Bellbowrie with Wacol and Centenary suburbs is up for discussion again, with the local councillor fielding constituents' comments. The issue is that Bellbowrie residents don't want a bridge that won't take cars. The problem with a car bridge is, of course, that it would mean major upgrades of either or both Sumners Rd to Centenary freeway and Grindle Rd to Wacol Station. Bus only would be relatively easy to take folk to Darra or Wacol stations, and encourage cyclists to cycle there or in to the CBD on the Centenary bikeway. Realistically, it's either a bus bridge or no bridge. If you think a bus bridge would be a good idea,  comment at Cr Greg Adermann's facebook post:
https://www.facebook.com/CrGregAdermann/photos/a.118004539744577/159650882246609 and Cr Sarah Hutton's facebook post:
https://www.facebook.com/CrSarahHutton/photos/a.101611244755634/149276043322487

[Gazza]

Sumners Rd is already wide enough for 4 lanes, so could deal with extra traffic by re lining it, and the interchange with the Centenary highway has been rebuilt.

My opinion is that it should be a green bridge, but if private vehicles want to use it have a toll.

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Kangaroo Point green bridge to be fast-tracked

KANGAROO Point green bridge will be fast-tracked two years as part of council's plan to bring forward critical investment and drive jobs following the coronavirus pandemic.

Construction on the Breakfast Creek green bridge will also be brought forward, with both expected to create close to 500 jobs and hundreds of supplier opportunities.

Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner has unveiled the draft design of the Kangaroo Point green bridge, which features a single mast and open views to the Kangaroo Point cliffs and the Story Bridge.

"We are forging ahead with this green bridge to get people into work and suppliers tills ticking over; and when it's complete we will also have an impressive and iconic piece of infrastructure in place for Brisbane residents," he said.

"There has been a surge in cyclist and pedestrian activity on our green bridges and bikeways across Brisbane since the coronavirus crisis began.

"People moved away from public transport and even as restrictions eased a lot of residents have made a lifestyle change and demand for active transport options like green bridges is only going to increase."

The Kangaroo Point green bridge will cater for 5400 trips each day, which is expected to increase to more than 6100 trips by 2036.

It is expected to reduce cars crossing the river by 83,690 every year.

Work on the $190 million Kangaroo Point and Breakfast Creek green bridges is scheduled start next year and be finished in 2023 – two years ahead of the initial 2025 date.

These form part of Council's $550 million commitment to building new green bridges in Brisbane.

Cr Schrinner also confirmed the State Government had reconsidered their proposed luxury superyacht mooring upstream of the Kangaroo Point green bridge, which would have jeopardised its construction.

"While we are all in support of tourist opportunities, even niche markets like superyachts, we did not want private luxury vessels prioritised over the liveability and accessibility a green bridge would deliver for Brisbane residents and visitors," he said.

"Following discussions with Minister Kate Jones, I am pleased she has agreed to look at an alternate superyacht mooring location that will have no impact on the delivery of the Kangaroo Point green bridge."

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/team_schrinner/status/1271917117177118721

[kram0]

Fast tracked as they are cutting corners on the metro project.

[verbatim9]

https://twitter.com/team_schrinner/status/1271917117177118721

The bridge designs look good. I hope they can get it done in the timeframe proposed. I like the design and as long as it's practical and serves its purpose for the community.

[verbatim9]

Couriermail Quest--->Local residents luke warm with the idea of a Green Bridge linking Bellbowrie and Wacol

Thanks, but no thanks: residents cool on green bridge
One of Brisbane's five proposed green bridges has limited support among locals, the latest Council community survey shows.

It sounded like a great idea, but Brisbane City Council's latest community consultation has found limited support for Council's proposed Bellbowrie to Wacol green bridge.

Public and Active Transport Chair Cr Ryan Murphy said more in-depth, targeted consultation showed westsiders were cool on the idea.

A consultation report released by the council showed most people did not like the proposed alignment, from Weekes Rd at Bellbowrie to Grindle Rd, Wacol.

"We commissioned more consultation after initial feedback showed residents were lukewarm about the green bridge in its current form," Cr Murphy said.

"Cr Greg Adermann (Pullenvale) and Cr Sarah Hutton (Jamboree) did a fantastic job engaging with their residents face-to-face, online and through letters and social media to gauge their views on the proposed green bridge.

"During the consultation, from May 22 to June 1, 2172 residents had their say with the proposed bridge receiving mixed feedback, similar to the first round of consultation.

"While there was some support for a bridge that caters for general traffic, only a minority of respondents indicated they would support a car bridge as an alternative for a green bridge.

"Council will now consider the results of the second consultation on the Bellbowrie bridge."

Cr Adermann said traffic congestion in Brisbane's western suburbs remained an issue, and the proposed green bridge was intended to connect Bellbowrie and Moggill to public transport options on the eastern side of the river.

The first round of consultation reflected only 20 per cent of the community supported the green bridge and would use it regularly, which is why I was keen to go back to the community for a second conversation," Cr Adermann said.

"It was reinforced that a green bridge would help tackle traffic congestion by getting people out of cars and into buses or onto bicycles.

"But they told me in no uncertain terms that any bridge needed to include vehicles, so I'm not surprised at the findings from my side of the river in the latest consultation."

Cr Hutton said being a councillor was about representing the views of the community and ensuring they get to have their say on projects that would affect their every day lives.

"The major concern our community has is that the bridge might be used for general traffic and would disrupt the quieter suburbs on the eastern side of the bridge," Cr Hutton said.

"A bridge like this has a flow on effect on communities of both sides of the river, so we need to get the balance right.".

Green bridges are planned for Kangaroo Point, Breakfast Creek, Toowong to West End, from St Lucia to West End and Bellbowrie.

The Kangaroo Point and Breakfast Creek green bridges have received overwhelming support and are being fast-tracked as economic recovery projects, to generate local jobs and immediate community benefits.

[verbatim9]

A first look at the newest design for a pedestrian and cycle bridge between Brisbane City and Kangaroo Point. The Lord Mayor has refused to talk, dodging questions over whether he'll hit residents with a rate rise this week. 7NEWS.com.au | Latest news headlines, sport & weather @RosannaKingsun #7NEWS https://t.co/p0CsXxoVMB


https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1272084339946217474

[verbatim9]

CourierMail-----> Two-minute guide to Brisbane City Council budget

Breakfast Creek Green Bridge will be fast tracked as well as the Kangaroo Point Bridge.

Fast track Green Bridges $23.5m - 500 jobs

-Kangaroo Point

-Breakfast Creek

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane green bridge scrapped as council seeks another location

One of lord mayor Adrian Schrinner's five flagship green bridges will be scrapped after local residents indicated they did not want or need it.

The Bellbowrie-Wacol green bridge was one of five bridges Cr Schrinner committed to in last year's council budget, but Brisbane City Council will now look for another location for the bridge.

Four other pedestrian and cycling bridges at Kangaroo Point to the CBD, Breakfast Creek, West End to Toowong and West End to St Lucia have all been more warmly welcomed by residents.

But after two rounds of community consultation, it became clear that Bellbowrie and Wacol residents did not want a pedestrian and cycling-only bridge and would prefer it to be at least open to buses.

The council initially surveyed residents last year, but after the first round of consultation showed little interest and two new LNP councillors took over the Pullenvale and Jamboree wards, another round of consultation was launched last month.

More than 60 per cent of respondents to the first Bellbowrie-Wacol bridge survey said they would never or rarely use a green bridge.

About 46 per cent saw little benefit in a new river crossing that did not allow cars to cross, pointing out that the large elderly population in Bellbowrie would not use a pedestrian or cycling bridge.

Bellbowrie residents indicated they would rather a connecting bridge to Riverhills and other eastern suburbs that included cars as well.

LNP councillor Sarah Hutton (Jamboree) said her community was primarily concerned that the bridge would "disrupt the quieter suburbs" with higher traffic flow.

Both rounds of consultation convinced the council that the bridge needed to find a new location.

"Our commitment to invest $550 million in green bridges stands, and it is really important because not only will it reduce traffic congestion, it creates jobs," Cr Schrinner said.

"So we're getting on with the first two bridges. We are continuing work as well on the two West End bridges ... and now we're going to look for other opportunities for a fifth green bridge."

The $190 million Kangaroo Point bridge, and the Breakfast Creek bridge, will be fast-tracked to boost post-coronavirus jobs, with $23.2 million to be invested in the two bridges in the coming financial year.

A further $66 million in capital will be allocated in 2021-2022 on the green bridges program.

The Kangaroo Point bridge is expected to cater to 5400 trips daily, taking 83,690 car trips off the road each year.

A thorny problem with the state government planning a superyacht berthing trial at the Kangaroo Point cliffs close to the bridge site has also been resolved, Cr Schrinner said, with the government agreeing to trial it elsewhere.

[verbatim9]

As a solution, the Bellbowrie bridge could become an all traffic bridge, but with a toll for general vehicles. Buses, Cyclists and Pedestrians would be toll free. Toll could be 4.50 each way to deter excessive vehicle use?

The toll could also help recoup the cost of the bridge or contribute to better bus service via the bridge to Darra and Indooroopilly?

[SurfRail]

Bridge from Sumners Rd for buses, emergency services, cyclists and pedestrians only, scrap the 444 as a high frequency service and extend a rejigged Centenary BUZ over the river.  Fixed. 

[achiruel]

Bridge from Sumners Rd for buses, emergency services, cyclists and pedestrians only, scrap the 444 as a high frequency service and extend a rejigged Centenary BUZ over the river.  Fixed.

What about Kenmore though? BUZ the 430?

[SurfRail]

Rejig the local network, but we don't need to be running buses to places like Karana Downs every 10 minutes or better do we?  It's paddocks.

Connecting Moggill to the Centenary network concentrates the patronage on 1-2 routes that don't have extended runs through the backblocks just to get anywhere.

[James]

What about Kenmore though? BUZ the 430?

Rejig the 430, 432/433, 435 and 444 to provide frequency every 15 minutes to Kenmore Village 6am - 9pm 7 days a week.

One of lord mayor Adrian Schrinner's five flagship green bridges will be scrapped after local residents indicated they did not want or need it.

The Bellbowrie-Wacol green bridge was one of five bridges Cr Schrinner committed to in last year's council budget, but Brisbane City Council will now look for another location for the bridge.

Four other pedestrian and cycling bridges at Kangaroo Point to the CBD, Breakfast Creek, West End to Toowong and West End to St Lucia have all been more warmly welcomed by residents.

But after two rounds of community consultation, it became clear that Bellbowrie and Wacol residents did not want a pedestrian and cycling-only bridge and would prefer it to be at least open to buses.

Either Moggill Road has miraculously improved in the last 10 years, or COVID-19 is causing collective community amnesia over how bad the traffic is on Moggill Road in the AM Peak.

Oh well, the NIMBYs of Bellbowrie are welcome to continue to self-flagellate. Time to ensure the Toowong & St Lucia bridges are built to carry buses with the money that's been freed up!