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brissypete

The majority of lime scooter riders I've seen lately have not been wearing helmets. I think if QPS did some blitzes in spots like bicentennial Bikeway and city gardens it would be very interesting.

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Quote from: brissypete on January 18, 2019, 19:54:18 PM
The majority of lime scooter riders I've seen lately have not been wearing helmets. I think if QPS did some blitzes in spots like bicentennial Bikeway and city gardens it would be very interesting.

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Don't give them revenue raising ideas Lol! Are bike paths exempt from helmet use when using a scooter?

James

Quote from: verbatim9 on January 18, 2019, 20:10:43 PMDon't give them revenue raising ideas Lol! Are bike paths exempt from helmet use when using a scooter?

No, you must always be wearing a helmet when riding a scooter or a bike.

I find this supposed 'law suit' amusing - there are far less CityCycle helmets than the number of CityCycle bikes, yet there was no mention of a 'law suit' there even though CityCycle is a government-run program, whereas Lime is just private enterprise being allowed to operate.
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

#Metro

It's just naked promotion of their law firm for personal injury purposes.

No word from them about NGR and DDA hey?
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It's absolute nonsense from Shine.  Nobody is going to be able to sue the State because they were injured by somebody breaking the law.
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BrizCommuter

A problem is that people hit by out of control scooter riders won't be wearing helmets!

verbatim9

There is always an element of risk in the public domain. Scooters, Bikes, Cars, other pedestrians, uneven and slippery footpaths etc... It would be stupid for the government to over legislate. People just need to take responsibility for their actions and listen to their piers for responsible soundly advice that contributes to a more harmonious society.

ozbob

Couriermail --> People have started having more scooter accidents

QuotePARAMEDICS have delivered an urgent warning about electric scooters after treating dozens of riders for traumatic injuries including shattered bones, fractures and head injuries.

The spike in horrific injuries has coincided with the arrival of US scooter company Lime, which has been operating hundreds of machines around Brisbane's CBD since mid-November.

The city's emergency departments have recorded about 60 scooter related injuries since the start of the trial, which has since been expanded under the Brisbane City Council.

Brisbane City Council open to being sued over scooters

Police will no longer issue cautions for scooter riders

Lime scooter rider serious injured in Brisbane

Queensland Ambulance Service bicycle response team paramedic Madeline Shield said crews were responding to several electric scooter related incidents in and around the city every week, particularly on weekends.

"Most incidents relate to the rider themselves falling off or crashing but there have also been close calls with pedestrians and other scooter and bicycle riders," she said.

"We're treating injuries including fractures, dislocations, cuts and grazes as well as head injuries."

Lime's trial is set to run until the end of February when the Brisbane City Council will decide if it will allow a permanent scheme to operate.

Earlier this week police announced a crackdown on reckless riders after charging a 43-year-old man with drink driving after he allegedly ran a red light in the city before riding in the middle of the road.

Riders are only permitted to ride on roads to cross them or avoid obstructions on footpaths.

Lime Scooters global chief Tony Sun told The Courier-Mail on Friday that Brisbane had been one of the world's fastest adopters of e-scooters, eclipsing most of the 130 cities where the $5.6 billion company had launched.

He said more than 100,000 people had downloaded the app, clocking more than 300,000 trips since November, and the number of accidents in Brisbane had been significantly less than other cities.

"Generally, we have seen much better behaviour with less injuries and accidents," he said.

"We don't know why but we do see people have been behaving better compared to other global markets."

The company tried to launch on the Gold Coast just after Christmas but postponed the roll out after authorities confiscated some of the scooters, which have a top speed of 27km/h.

Acting Health Minister Mark Bailey said electric scooters were popular and a useful means of transportation but the increase in ambulance call-outs was a reminder that riders needed to use common sense.

"Whether you're renting an electric scooter, or you own one, respecting others and riding responsibly should be the minimum requirement," he said.

"Often people using electric scooters are riding one for the first time and their skill level doesn't always match their confidence level.

"The last thing anyone wants is a hospital visit, so wear a helmet, never ride under the influence of alcohol or drugs, be courteous and watch your speed.

"People riding bikes or skateboards take safety precautions and are expected to respect people they are sharing public space with, it's no different for people on electric scooters."
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Sunshine Coast Daily --> Woman in hospital after hit by electric scooter

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A PEDESTRIAN has been struck by an electric scooter while walking in Brisbane's Botanical Gardens.

The woman, aged in her 40s, sustained a substantial injury to her face.

Paramedics were called to the scene at 1:52pm before transporting the woman to the Royal Brisbane Hospital for further treatment.
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Quote from: ozbob on January 20, 2019, 12:40:15 PM
Sunshine Coast Daily --> Woman in hospital after hit by electric scooter

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A PEDESTRIAN has been struck by an electric scooter while walking in Brisbane's Botanical Gardens.

The woman, aged in her 40s, sustained a substantial injury to her face.

Paramedics were called to the scene at 1:52pm before transporting the woman to the Royal Brisbane Hospital for further treatment.
Oh! that area was deemed as a no scooter zone as I am aware, except on the bike path that runs along the river.

ozbob

Brisbanetimes --> Fractures and head injuries: Scooter crashes becoming a 'regular occurrence'

QuoteParamedics are warning people to be be safe when using electric scooters in Brisbane, with riders treated for grazes, dislocations, fractures and head injuries.

Queensland Ambulance Service bicycle response team paramedic Madeline Shield said crews had increasingly been called to scooter incidents.

"It seems to be a regular occurrence that we go to electric-scooter crashes or people coming off those scooters," she said.

Early data showed emergency services responded to about 60 scooter-related incidents since November.

The spike in injuries coincided with the arrival of US company Lime to Brisbane, with hundreds of electric scooters rolled-out across the inner-suburbs.

Ms Shield said most paramedic call-outs were due to people doing the wrong thing, such as speeding, riding without a helmet, doubling-up, distracted or using drugs or alcohol.

"We believe that they're fun and they serve a purpose around Brisbane but we don't want people to end up in hospital as a result of having fun," she said.

Ms Shield said there had also been near-misses with pedestrians.

"We had one yesterday — a lady was walking through the city and a scooter went past probably a little bit too quickly and she was startled and fell to the ground and ended up with some injuries," she said.

Ms Shield said it was "very common" for users to not be wearing helmets while riding Lime scooters.

"They can go up to 30km/h, so that's a fair speed to come off with no protection," she said.

Transport Minister Mark Bailey said the scooters had been incredibly popular.

"But what we're also seeing is because it's new technology, there's a minority of people there who are doing the wrong thing and putting other people at risk," he said.

"Police will be cracking down on people doing the wrong thing in terms of speeding and not wearing helmets."

Under new rules introduced in December, scooter riders caught misbehaving can be fined $130.

Riders must wear a helmet, cannot carry a passenger, must give way to pedestrians and they cannot be used on Brisbane CBD roads.

Earlier this month, a 43-year-old Newstead man was charged after allegedly riding a Lime scooter drunk on the road, without a helmet and failing to stop at a red light.

A Lime spokeswoman previously said the vast majority of Lime users road and parked responsibly.

"We clearly state in our in-app messaging that riders must be over 18, wearing a helmet and are not to ride on the road," she said.

"We always encourage of riders to abide by the same laws and regulations as they would with their own personal vehicle."

The Lime scooter trial in Brisbane has been extended until the end of February, when the council was expected to hold a tender process.
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brissypete

Quote from: verbatim9 on January 18, 2019, 20:10:43 PM
Quote from: brissypete on January 18, 2019, 19:54:18 PM
The majority of lime scooter riders I've seen lately have not been wearing helmets. I think if QPS did some blitzes in spots like bicentennial Bikeway and city gardens it would be very interesting.

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Don't give them revenue raising ideas Lol! Are bike paths exempt from helmet use when using a scooter?
While it may be seen as revenue raising given the recent news on accidents etc and the significant numbers of helmetless riders (definitely not a minority as the transport minister claims) a noticeable police enforcement might be the only way to help reduce such behaviour.

Or just scrap helmet laws altogether...

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The Conversation --> Limes not lemons: lessons from Australia's first e-scooter sharing trial

QuoteIf you've been in central Brisbane recently, you will know there is a new visitor in town. Lime e-scooters have popped up all over the CBD and neighbouring suburbs. It's early days for this new mobility provider, so we can't say if this is a permanent fixture with certainty, but here's a transport research team's view on the Brisbane trial and its implications.

Transport disruption makes life difficult for policymakers and transport agencies. Queensland at first attempted to deter illegal ride-sharing but then legalised Uber and Ola in response to public demand. E-scooter sharing systems might be just as transformative for people's travel.

You can download an app, sign up quickly and for only a dollar unlock a scooter, hit the accelerator and zip down the street at up to 25km/h. Scooters can be picked up and dropped off on footpaths throughout the central city. They offer low-cost travel and produce low carbon emissions.

Previously, North American cities, such as San Francisco and Washington DC, were inundated with e-scooters. In response, some cities banned e-scooters outright, others used regulations to control the new players.

The trial in Brisbane is helping the city and state see if it works and determine an appropriate regulatory approach. Lime was initially given a "temporary pass in Brisbane", allowing up to 500 e-scooters. As long as riders wore helmets (either provided by Lime and attached to each scooter, or bring-your-own) and rode them responsibly, there would be no problem.

Kudos to the Queensland transport minister and his department for being the first in Australia to allow a trial and, more recently, for improving the regulation of these operations. Well done also to Brisbane City Council for allowing the trial in the central business district and working with Lime on the roll-out. It was especially helpful that the council's contract with its bikeshare operator did not prevent e-scooters from competing for riders.

When you take off on one of these e-scooters, it is liberating. If you've used a kick scooter before, even as a child, these new versions are relatively intuitive to ride. The electric motor means Brisbane's hills are suddenly no problem. A trip from our South Bank campus across the river and through the botanic gardens to connect to a downtown meeting took six minutes and cost just over $3.

No other mode of transport would compete in terms of either time or cost for such trips, unless you bring your own bike or e-scooter with you into town. Thousands of residents and tourists are using the e-scooters in Brisbane each day. Our sources tell us over 100,000 users have made over 300,000 trips since the mid-November launch.

There are reports of injuries from falling off the scooters. This highlights a need to take it easy your first few trips, to look for problems on any scooter you hire and to wear your helmet.

So what are the problems?
Our observations this last couple of months suggest user behaviour has changed. Some unruly behaviours we saw in the first few days seem have given way to new social norms.

Parking behaviour is also improving. Riders cannot lock the scooter (and stop paying for it) in locations where it might cause a nuisance, such as on the main green bridges. They are both encouraged to park out of harm's way and forced to submit a photograph of their parking attempt. Park poorly a few times and Lime will suspend your account.

There are some issues though. The guidance provided to riders about where you can legally ride, whether on the departmental website, news media, the system app or its website, is at times missing, contradictory or just confusing. Fixing that should be easy enough.

Brisbane has not built much bicycle infrastructure in the last five decades, a few notable bridges and riverside paths aside. Nor have we reduced local street speeds to 30km/h, as is now standard European practice. There aren't obvious safe routes to use when scootering through parts of the central city.

Fixing these issues will be more challenging, but quiet non-polluting e-scooters are clearly preferable to a city centre clogged with cars.

What are the best regulatory options?
Lime has proven these systems work well in Australian cities. But key regulatory questions remain. North American cities are introducing various regulatory systems. These include:

permits (often awarded via tender)
maximum fleet sizes
vehicle regulations – especially maximum speeds
go/no-go zones
parking controls
high fees to pick up and impound scooters that operators fail to collect.
Our city managers have to decide what options they prefer.

We have five suggestions.

1. There is no need for scooters in Australian cities that have more power or go faster than the current Lime scooters. The decision to choose 25km/h seems appropriate at present. Restricting speeds to 10km/h, as previous laws did in Queensland, would be nonsensical.

2. E-scooter systems are likely a natural monopoly, or perhaps duopoly. This is because one needs many scooters from the same operator available across a wide area to ensure efficiency in operations, keep costs low and provide wide coverage for users.

Brisbane City Council is talking of a probable monopoly, awarded via tender. This is the approach used since the city's first tram operations in the 1880s. If Australian cities do award monopoly rights we hope they adopt Santa Monica's use of a levy on the operator that is hypothecated towards improving the city's bike lanes and bike paths, to create more safe riding space.

3. We recommend scooter parking locations be designated in key locations, such as close to Brisbane's Queen Street mall, difficult as this will be given the competition for space on the city's narrow streets and footpaths.

4. Cities should enter into meaningful partnerships with scooter companies that include data sharing for research and analysis of overall city transportation. Gold Coast's MoBike scheme is, without much fanfare, the best-used bicycle-sharing scheme in Australia and an exemplar partnership model.

5. These scooters need to be part of the coming move towards subscription mobility services. Soon we are likely to be offered "mobility as a service" and pay one monthly fee to get public transport plus rideshare, bikeshare and scooter-share trips, some car-sharing and maybe some taxi kilometres. Based on the demand seen in Brisbane, e-scooters should be included in these packages.

This regulatory mix would cover most of the issues raised by others. Get all this right and e-scooters can help create a safer, more sustainable and liveable city with a better set of mobility options.
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QuoteYou can download an app, sign up quickly and for only a dollar unlock a scooter, hit the accelerator and zip down the street at up to 25km/h. Scooters can be picked up and dropped off on footpaths throughout the central city. They offer low-cost travel and produce low carbon emissions.

I have been observing Lime scooter users during the last few weeks as they have become so popular.
Have been curious to know the speed that the scooters can do, so I've been matching the speed of riders in certain areas where safe to do so. The speedos on the vehicles I operate are quite accurate. To sum up all the speed observations into one, I will use one example.
Coming down the hill along Given Tce past the Paddo tavern, I matched the speed of a male in business attire traveling along the footpath at 30 - 33 kmph. The same person also rode up the hill along Caxton St on the footpath at 25 kmph. I was worried what would happen if a person would walk out the door of one of the licensed establishments into the path of the rider.  His speeds were indicative of most that I have clocked.

QuoteIt was especially helpful that the council's contract with its bikeshare operator did not prevent e-scooters from competing for riders.

I'm guessing from my observations, there are about 10 - 15 people riding Lime scooters to every single person riding a CityCycle.
CityCycles have grown in popularity as well during 2018.

QuoteRiders cannot lock the scooter (and stop paying for it) in locations where it might cause a nuisance, such as on the main green bridges. They are both encouraged to park out of harm's way and forced to submit a photograph of their parking attempt. Park poorly a few times and Lime will suspend your account.

As I was waiting at the Rome St portal on Monday, I observed a couple on a scooter ( no helmets ) riding along Roma St. They arrived at a traffic island just opposite the portal where they parked the scooter. I watched the female enter info on her phone and take a picture before walking across the road to the Backpackers.

QuoteThere is no need for scooters in Australian cities that have more power or go faster than the current Lime scooters. The decision to choose 25km/h seems appropriate at present.

That's 25 uphill, not downhill.

QuoteGet all this right and e-scooters can help create a safer, more sustainable and liveable city with a better set of mobility options.

Agree !

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I've seen many riders not using helmets and also doubling this week as well as seeing police vehicles just driving past with no intervention.
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Couriermail 26th January 2019 page 32

Two-wheel terror 'threat'

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'someone might end up in hospital'

Looking forward to total car ban then...
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ozbob

I was in the CBD the other day.  There were riders (most without helmets) on the lime scooters riding on footpaths at relatively high speeds.

Some pedestrians were quite shaken.  The basic issue is walking speed is 5km/h, these scooters can hit at least 25 km/h.  There endeth the lesson.

I think they are not suitable for CBD footpaths, this is only going to lead trouble sooner than later, as has happened elsewhere.
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Completely different issue to bikes on footpaths too.

I've nearly been cleaned up twice - in both cases by somebody coming around a blind corner seemingly without slowing down.  Can't imagine anybody on a bike doing that.
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techblitz

does anyone know if these things even come with some sort of alert mechanism?......similar to a bike bell??

brissypete

Quote from: techblitz on January 26, 2019, 07:30:46 AM
does anyone know if these things even come with some sort of alert mechanism?......similar to a bike bell??
Yes there is a bell, just like a bike. But just like bikes most riders don't use them.

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Cheers...
I think the only way to get this sorted other than banning them on footpaths will be to separate pedestrians and scooter riders a.k.a painted lines...

ozbob

https://www.facebook.com/7NewsBrisbane/photos/a.133620586650802/2317404058272433/?type=3&theater

QuoteA 32-year-old woman has been charged with drink driving after she fell while standing on a Lime scooter in the city yesterday afternoon.

Queensland Police: Police have charged a woman with drink driving after she fell over whilst stationary on a moped in the city this afternoon. It will be alleged at 2.35pm the woman was stationary on Wickham Terrace at the intersection of Upper Edward Street at Spring Hill when she and the bike fell. Members of the public where concerned she had been drinking and notified police and the ambulance. The woman was treated for a minor graze to her chin. She was transported to the Brisbane City Police Station where she returned a breath alcohol concentration of .306%. A 32-year-old West End woman was issued a notice to appear for driving under the influence of liquor and will appear in the Brisbane Magistrates Court on February 11.
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https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/blog/2019/01/27/man-charged-with-drink-driving-south-brisbane/

Man charged with drink driving, South Brisbane

myPolice on Jan 27, 2019 @ 9:56am

Police arrested a man for drink driving after he nearly collided with a group of diners while riding a motorised scooter in South Brisbane on Australia Day evening.

It will be alleged around 10pm police witnessed the man riding the scooter without a helmet along the Grey Street footpath before he nearly struck a table of patrons outside of a restaurant.

He then allegedly attempted to continue to ride away before nearly falling over as police called for him to stop.

The 23-year-old Caboolture man was arrested and transported to Brisbane City watchhouse where he allegedly returned a BAC of 0.151% – more than three times the legal limit.

He was charged with not wearing a helmet and drink driving and is due to appear in Brisbane Magistrates Court on February 19.

Police would like to remind people who choose to ride electronic scooters that drink driving laws apply, as with cars and other vehicles.

Queensland road rules also state that all personal mobility device users must wear an approved helmet.
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Mother Jones --> Researchers Find that E-Scooters Are a Fun, Easy Way to Go to the ER

"  ... Trivedi hopes that the study will encourage health care providers to document scooter injuries so researchers can continue to track their effects. He also would like local officials in cities with scooters to think about the safest place for them. It's dangerous for scooter riders to be in the road without bike lanes, he says, but it's also a risk to pedestrians for scooters to go on the sidewalk. In a note accompanying the study, the authors emphasize the urgency of addressing scooter injuries as a public health issue, particularly as they grow in popularity. "We are not troglodytes trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle," they write. "Use of rental 2-wheeled vehicles, many of which are now electric, is here to stay. Action, however, is needed."
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Since arriving back in QLD I've observed that the vast majority of scooter riders are not wearing helmets. Is this being policed?

ozbob

Quote from: BrizCommuter on January 31, 2019, 16:26:24 PM
Since arriving back in QLD I've observed that the vast majority of scooter riders are not wearing helmets. Is this being policed?

According to media reports it is meant to be.  But it is a bit like paying for a fare on a bus,  optional for many ...  not enough enforcers ...

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Quote from: ozbob on January 31, 2019, 16:37:05 PM
Quote from: BrizCommuter on January 31, 2019, 16:26:24 PM
Since arriving back in QLD I've observed that the vast majority of scooter riders are not wearing helmets. Is this being policed?

According to media reports it is meant to be.  But it is a bit like paying for a fare on a bus,  optional for many ...  not enough enforcers ...
I'm yet to see any enforcement, but whenever in around the city / Southbank I see plenty of riders without helmets and usually a few shared scooters.

Sit around the goodwill bridge or city gardens for as little as 15 mins and you'll see plenty.

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Nearly all the problems with Limes are to do with how street space is allocated in the cities.... Mostly to cars, with other forms of mobility left to fight over the scraps

BrizCommuter

Quote from: Gazza on January 31, 2019, 19:06:52 PM
Nearly all the problems with Limes are to do with how street space is allocated in the cities.... Mostly to cars, with other forms of mobility left to fight over the scraps
And not out of control, kids toy riding millennials?

Gazza

Nobody particularly enjoys traveling uncomfortably slow.
I doubt people would enjoy driving a car at 10km/h.
Cyclists dont particularly enjoy dodging dogs and erratic walkers on shared paths.

Electric scooter represent a rational way for many to get around....fast but without the sweat factor, and cheap.

Obviously you should be careful around people and not bowl them over.

But the fact you can't freely go fast on a scooter like motorists can freely go at 50kmh boils down to cities not having appropriate space for medium speed vehicles like bikes and electric scooters.

If you are a cyclist or scooters rider you either annoy people on crowded footpaths or mix it with high speed metal boxes.

I think protected bike and scooter lanes now are becoming a lot more important to implement.

techblitz

Quote from: Gazza on January 31, 2019, 19:06:52 PM
Nearly all the problems with Limes are to do with how street space is allocated in the cities.... Mostly to cars, with other forms of mobility left to fight over the scraps

http://www.bcnecologia.net/en/conceptual-model/superblocks

looks interesting...

ozbob

Brisbanetimes --> Better helmet compliance needed for Lime scooters, lord mayor says

QuoteElectric scooter company Lime needs to "step up to the plate" and make sure they are providing enough helmets for riders on Brisbane streets, lord mayor Graham Quirk says.

Under questioning from the Labor opposition in council's Tuesday meeting about the council's potential liability for injuries on Lime's popular scooters, Cr Quirk said the regulation of helmet use and speed were state government issues.

However, he said Lime needed to work harder to encourage scooter users to wear helmets, with about one person per day presenting at the Mater Hospital for scooter injuries.

"We are continuing to bring Lime scooters to account, it's fair to say that, as their responsibilities as an operator," Cr Quirk said.

However, he said the council had little control over the electric scooter company's regulation and the use of helmets by riders on Brisbane streets.

"We don't have the absolute up to date statistics on [accidents] because they are again held by the medical institutions under state jurisdictions," Cr Quirk said.

"But we're conscious as everyone is that there have been accidents in the city.

"We will absolutely continue to monitor that trial, we are also conscious that Lime scooters have been very popular in this city."

Cr Quirk said the two key issues triggering those accidents were generally speed and helmets, with accidents happening where the speed limit for the scooters was ignored or the rider was not wearing a helmet.

Cr Quirk questioned Labor's position on whether they supported the scooter trial or not.

Labor councillor Jared Cassidy said the opposition did support the scooter trial.

In late January, Queensland Police arrested a man for drink-driving a scooter in South Brisbane, with a blood-alcohol reading more than three times the legal limit.

Paramedics also warned of the safety risks riding scooters in January.

Deputy mayor Adrian Schrinner said in his opinion the issue was not with council regulation, but with state and police enforcement.

Cr Schrinner said the regulation around the Lime scooters was a matter for the state government, including speed and helmet use.

"We understand like any new emerging mobility technology there are going to be challenges," Cr Schrinner said.

"If they're lawful and they're used lawfully they should generally be safe.

"The issue is where people are not abiding by the law and not using helmets, they're riding where they shouldn't be riding, they're not ... giving way to pedestrians."

Cr Schrinner said in his opinion Labor should put their questions not to the council but to the Queensland Police Service and the Police Minister Mark Bailey.

"We see all too few incidents of police enforcement," he said.

"Ultimately if it is their responsibility to enforce, then the community has a reasonable expectation that enforcement will occur."

The trial period for Lime's scooters was extended until the end of February.
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another thing that one can generally notice apart from the 100+ scooters scattered around the cbd is the now lack of citycycle riders.....its really no surprise because the scooters have a clear advantage over citycycle in that they are not limited to set dropoff points....just ride and dump....
So go ahead BCC....approve the lime scooters at your own peril......and say goodbye to 85%+ of your citycycle patronage....they will be 85% un-used.......might as well just make them free or whack them out in the suburbs along bikepaths or train stations like ferny grove,cleveland,richlands,manly etc...

BrizCommuter

Quote from: techblitz on February 13, 2019, 18:20:45 PM
another thing that one can generally notice apart from the 100+ scooters scattered around the cbd is the now lack of citycycle riders.....its really no surprise because the scooters have a clear advantage over citycycle in that they are not limited to set dropoff points....just ride and dump....
So go ahead BCC....approve the lime scooters at your own peril......and say goodbye to 85%+ of your citycycle patronage....they will be 85% un-used.......might as well just make them free or whack them out in the suburbs along bikepaths or train stations like ferny grove,cleveland,richlands,manly etc...
It is very interesting seeing how successful Lime Scooters are compared to CityCycle!

Otto

During my time in NZ earlier this month, I noticed Lime Scooters in all the major tourist centers.
A familiar story was hitting the news bulletins in NZ .
"Hospitals and Doctors clinics reporting a surge in injuries related to Lime Scooters."
 

Ozbob, I think you need to add a scooter icon.....
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