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« on: October 07, 2018, 06:30:57 AM »
I have finally worked out how to use the spreadsheets I have compiled each month to generate monthly all line summaries.

As time permits I will work my way back through the past months.

This is a much better way of looking at the data than the generalised approach the authorities use (well at least publicly).   :fo:

Only one month so far, but it is looking like the RPL is an issue.  We suspected this as the layout at Kippa-Ring is far from optimal. 

See Kippa-Ring Crossover Crazyness  > http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com/2015/11/kippa-ring-crossover-crazyness.html

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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2018, 06:31:38 AM »


This is the real story, 12 lines, 8 lines < 95% (customer impact) the ' reliability ' premise pushed by QR and Minister is bullsh%t basically.

The figures they like to spruik are particularly skewed by the Doomben and Rosewood lines OTR.

RPL and Caboolture are particularly ratsh%t!

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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2018, 11:42:09 AM »


9 out of 12 lines < 95%  (customer impact which is the real measure of actual reliability)  ???




3 out of 12 lines < 95% .

At this point I think we can conclude the Redcliffe Peninsula Line is a basket case, closely followed by the Caboolture line.  This loss of reliability is one of the factors why the patronage is only a 1/4 of the projected patronage I guess on the RPL.  Word travels.  On average a commuter would have at least one journey per working week delayed (or cancelled).

A rail network that was truly running at 95% reliability would have 11 out of the 12 lines performing better than 95%.  It is not the case. The authorities are hiding the truth by aggregating the data.  We always knew that, this data confirms it.  I knew there must have been reason why I kept recording the data (It disappears after 5 days from the QR website, another sign of the real agenda).

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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2018, 12:41:23 PM »

Sounds a bit strange that the line with ancient signalling is the most reliable, and the one which is brand new with brand new signalling is the least!
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2018, 12:46:44 PM »

Sounds a bit strange that the line with ancient signalling is the most reliable, and the one which is brand new with brand new signalling is the least!

Not really, we know that RPL signalling has had many issues.  The track layout at Kippa-Ring is also a factor. 
Wait till BrizCommuter sees this data ...   :o
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2018, 12:50:29 PM »
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The track layout at Kippa-Ring is also a factor.

What's the issue with the track layout? The junction with the rest of the network is grade-separated.
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2018, 12:54:48 PM »
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The track layout at Kippa-Ring is also a factor.

What's the issue with the track layout? The junction with the rest of the network is grade-separated.

See this (in OP)  See Kippa-Ring Crossover Crazyness  > http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com/2015/11/kippa-ring-crossover-crazyness.html
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2018, 01:18:10 PM »
Ha Ha Ha!  Let it rip Annie ..

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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2018, 01:46:28 PM »
Could the 3 track Northgate/Petrie section be a factor?
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2018, 02:05:27 PM »
Could the 3 track Northgate/Petrie section be a factor?

Don't think so particularly as the number of services actually running at peak is reduced at present.
Most of the problems seem to be out on the branch itself.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2018, 02:30:55 PM »
Could the 3 track Northgate/Petrie section be a factor?

Don't think so particularly as the number of services actually running at peak is reduced at present.
Most of the problems seem to be out on the branch itself.
Because the Caboulture line as well is 2nd. Sometimes things get a little delayed if one train is a little late to the Lawnton-Petrie and Northgate-Virginia parts.
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2018, 03:17:39 PM »
^ Yes, I get that, but it shouldn't be that much of issue.  Counter peak frequency is very poor, and there are plenty of paths.  If and when we get back to a normal service timetable it will be a lot tighter for sure.  In an ideal world a quad would be nice, but other jurisdictions can pump them through on a triple setup.
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2018, 03:18:20 PM »


3 lines < 95% (customer impact)

RPL and Caboolture woeful.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2018, 03:38:36 PM »
You know this is really very sad in a way.  Queensland Rail should be reporting this sort of data routinely, AND out of peak too.  I have requested that a number of times over the years, but they won't.  You know why don't you?  Because it will look bad ... less services so delays and cancellations impact in a significant way on the data.  They only thing published is at https://www.queenslandrail.com.au/aboutus/ourperformance/service-punctuality-and-reliability aggregate only.  Useless for any real analysis as the data above shows.

I am sure they would have the information internally.



So every day or so I have to copy and paste the daily data into an OCR reader, convert then paste into a database.  The data they publish for peak all lines disappears after 5 days ...  :fp:  It is a pain in the arse but I do it because I think there should be a public record. This state is not transparent at all really.  It is just a great big cluster-fuk of secrecy and cover-up.

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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2018, 02:22:35 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2018, 05:51:00 AM »


Bad month for the Cleveland line, RPL and Caboolture still a mess ...

8 of the 12 lines < 95% (customer impact).

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2018, 06:42:38 AM »
Up and at 'em Oz !!   :P

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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2018, 03:32:13 PM »


5 < 95% (customer impact)
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2018, 03:54:10 PM »
So that's six months done.  It is very clear that certain lines have some big reliability issues.

Simply reporting overall figures hides the problems. 

Redcliffe Peninsula Line, Caboolture line even on the adjusted OTR are not doing well at all.  Sunshine Coast is also marginal.





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The on-time running of Citytrain services is a priority for Queensland Rail. We make every effort to ensure our services adhere to the published timetable.

Our on-time running performance targets are the most stringent in Australia. We aim to have more than 95% of our peak period services arrive on-time. All services, including peak and off-peak, are measured on time when they arrive within three minutes and 59 seconds of their scheduled time (5 minutes and 59 seconds on interurban services; ie Gold Coast, Rosewood and Nambour).

Sometimes incidents beyond Queensland Rails control may delay our services (force majeure). Such incidents may include onboard medical emergencies, security incidents, vehicles striking level crossing boom gates or severe weather activity. Because these incidents are out of Queensland Rail's control, they are not included in the contractual results. However Queensland Rail recognises delays, regardless of their cause, affect customers, and this is reflected in the customer impact figures.
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2018, 01:39:04 AM »
Couriermail --> Queensland Rail: Punctuality pride off track as analysis reveals trouble lines



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QUEENSLAND Rails dazzling punctuality record has been undermined by new analysis showing the reality is far different for commuters on certain trouble lines.

Commuters on the Caboolture and Redcliffe lines are most likely to experience their trains running behind schedule, according to analysis by commuter group Rail Back on Track.

It reveals that while QR boasts of hitting its network-wide target of running more than 95 per cent of trains on-time, the picture is far less perfect for thousands of commuters.

The Caboolture and Redcliffe lines were worst for trains turning up late; failing to hit QRs performance target every month between April and the end of September.

The analysis used QR daily on-time peak running results for each of the 12 rail lines to chart punctuality averages across the network.

It shows the lines consistently underperformed, with 92 per cent of trains running to schedule on the Redcliffe Peninsula line, which opened in late 2016.

And 93 per cent of trains were on time on the Caboolture line during the six months examined.

Low points included last June, when just 91 per cent of Redcliffe services were on-time.

Yet QR posted an overall network-wide on-time running result of 96.89 per cent that month.

The results were even worse when including force majeure incidents outside of QRs control, such as boom gate strikes.

The analysis reveals eight lines would fail to make the on-time running benchmark when including such incidents the Beenleigh, Caboolture, Cleveland, Ferny Grove, Ipswich, Redcliffe, Springfield and Sunshine Coast lines.

QR counts trains that arrive within four minutes of the schedule as on-time. It exceeded its on-time target in 2017-18.

But Rail Back on Track lobby group spokesman Robert Dow said the analysis belied the rosy picture of punctuality, with the results skewed by high punctuality on lines that ran far fewer services.

QR report aggregate figures, which are misleading and dont really tell the public what is going on, Mr Dow said.

You need to look at a line-by-line break down to see what is really happening, he said.

It shows our newest line (Redcliffe) is the most unreliable and we do have problems with network reliability.

QR chief executive Nick Easy yesterday said it was committed to providing reliable services and would continue to work hard to improve performance across all lines.
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2018, 02:09:44 AM »
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Good Morning,

Big problems with reliability on the Redcliffe Peninsula and Caboolture lines. Overall reliability (on-time running) of the Citytrain network is of late, deteriorating significantly.

I have been recording the daily peak on-time results for a number of years now. I do this because it disappears after 5 days and I do it because I think there should be a public record > https://www.queenslandrail.com.au/forcustomers/otr/dailyotr

The recorded on-time daily performance data can be found here > https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?board=73.0

I decided to look at the individual line performance for the last few months. I recently learned the skills needed to analyse the spreadsheets.

What the data shows ( can be found here on our forum > https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=13328.0 ) is that it is important to look at a line by line breakup to really understand how the network is performing. The authorities do not release this sort of analysis publicly although they have it internally of course. It is time ' customers ' were properly informed, so we will do our bit in breaking through the firewall of secrecy and managed deception.

There are 12 lines that make up the Citytrain network. A system of 12 lines that is operating at an acceptable level of reliability should only have one line performing at a level of less than 95% on-time performance. In September 2018 there were 8, in August 2018 there were 9, in July 2018 there were 3, 3 in June 2018, 8 in May 2018, and 5 in April 2018 (customer impact which is the real measure on the passengers). The worst lines in terms of on-time running performance are the Redcliffe Peninsula Line and Caboolture lines. All the line monthly data summaries can be viewed here > https://www.facebook.com/RAILBackOnTrack/posts/2265073730173468

The authorities report aggregate figures, which are misleading and don't really tell the public what is going on. They are also biased by the Doomben and Rosewood lines particularly that usually have a very high on-time  running performance due to the limited short services on those lines. Consequently you need to look at a line by line break up to see what is really happening.

Thanks to the Couriermail and Journalist Kelmeny Fraser for this article published today:

Couriermail > Queensland Rail: Punctuality pride off track as analysis reveals trouble lines

Below are the 6 month summaries for Contractual (adjusted) and Customer Impact (the real experience of passengers).

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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2018, 11:05:27 AM »
What we should do is calculate the percentage of on-time trips by adding the trips in the October 2016 timetable which have been cancelled to the total and treating them all as not on-time.  That would be an interesting exercise.
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2018, 07:33:38 PM »
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What we should do is calculate the percentage of on-time trips by adding the trips in the October 2016 timetable which have been cancelled to the total and treating them all as not on-time.  That would be an interesting exercise.

I think this is the correct treatment. It would change the percent cancellation figure markedly if services that previously existed were treated as 'standing' cancellations.
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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2018, 02:33:25 AM »
I will just leave this here ...   :P

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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2018, 03:33:17 AM »
Very sad, our Minister for Transport is completely captured by spin and delusion.

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« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2018, 06:33:34 AM »
Letter to the Editor Queensland Times 10th October 2018 page 15

Reading between the lines

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« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2018, 08:49:56 PM »
I will just leave this here ...   :P

https://twitter.com/MarkBaileyMP/status/1049597080128217093

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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2018, 02:28:34 AM »
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Time for a proper Minister for Public Transport


Good Morning,

We note that the CEO of Queensland Rail Mr Nick Easy made the comment " QR chief executive Nick Easy yesterday said it was committed to providing reliable services and would continue to work hard to improve performance across all lines. " in the article in the Couriermail detailing the RAIL Back On Track line by line analysis  ( https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queensland-rail-punctuality-pride-off-track-as-analysis-reveals-trouble-lines/news-story/89f4c82fda8ab04684dd88268a872a45 ).  We applaud Mr Easy's response and committment to improving on-time running, particularly for the Redcliffe Peninsula Line (RPL) and the Caboolture/Sunshine Coast Line and the Citytrain network generally.  Well done Mr Easy and thank you Sir.

Contrast that to the response from the Minister for Transport Mr Bailey.  No committment to identify the causes of a loss of reliability on the lines performing badly or improving the customer impact experience on the entire rail network in SEQ.  Selfies on trains and robot like assurances that the network is performing better than 95% impress little in the end, and deny the reality of the ' customer experience '.  They certainly don't impress us.  We now believe we need a new Minister for Public Transport.  A person that is committed to improving the experiences of the community on public transport, not focussed on self glorification and robot like political utterances.

Have a good day all!

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Good Morning,

Big problems with reliability on the Redcliffe Peninsula and Caboolture lines. Overall reliability (on-time running) of the Citytrain network is of late, deteriorating significantly.

I have been recording the daily peak on-time results for a number of years now. I do this because it disappears after 5 days and I do it because I think there should be a public record > https://www.queenslandrail.com.au/forcustomers/otr/dailyotr

The recorded on-time daily performance data can be found here > https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?board=73.0

I decided to look at the individual line performance for the last few months. I recently learned the skills needed to analyse the spreadsheets.

What the data shows ( can be found here on our forum > https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=13328.0 ) is that it is important to look at a line by line breakup to really understand how the network is performing. The authorities do not release this sort of analysis publicly although they have it internally of course. It is time ' customers ' were properly informed, so we will do our bit in breaking through the firewall of secrecy and managed deception.

There are 12 lines that make up the Citytrain network. A system of 12 lines that is operating at an acceptable level of reliability should only have one line performing at a level of less than 95% on-time performance. In September 2018 there were 8, in August 2018 there were 9, in July 2018 there were 3, 3 in June 2018, 8 in May 2018, and 5 in April 2018 (customer impact which is the real measure on the passengers). The worst lines in terms of on-time running performance are the Redcliffe Peninsula Line and Caboolture lines. All the line monthly data summaries can be viewed here > https://www.facebook.com/RAILBackOnTrack/posts/2265073730173468

The authorities report aggregate figures, which are misleading and don't really tell the public what is going on. They are also biased by the Doomben and Rosewood lines particularly that usually have a very high on-time  running performance due to the limited short services on those lines. Consequently you need to look at a line by line break up to see what is really happening.

Thanks to the Couriermail and Journalist Kelmeny Fraser for this article published today:

Couriermail > Queensland Rail: Punctuality pride off track as analysis reveals trouble lines

Below are the 6 month summaries for Contractual (adjusted) and Customer Impact (the real experience of passengers).

Best wishes,

Robert

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« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2018, 08:04:56 AM »
I think this is the third time we've called for a new PT minister (Emerson, Hinchliffe, Bailey).

As an observation, ministers are generally defensive of performance statistics, as it is a reflection of them, and there is no possibility to remove or fine the operator, under the current setup.

I think with a contracted operator such data would flow more freely, as the performance of the operator would reflect on the management, rather than the minister.

Indeed, I suspect QR now would be happy to share whatever information it has, but IMHO but the minister isn't so keen.
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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2018, 09:06:53 AM »
Some peak issues are due to late running ex Milton trains. In the past late running ex-Ipswich/Springfield have caused terminating Roma street trains to queue back through the inner core and vice versa with late running ex northern services as they await a slot to traverse over to Normanby. Made even worse with the procedures to clear trains. Its a small problem that can have a big flow on effect especially around the thru to Springfield/Ipswich services which operate to very close times.

That reflects back onto the signalling which is why you have all stoppers sometimes beating express services to Bowen Hills from Eagle Junction as they are all running close on restricted speeds and signaling. This is also repeated at Roma Street and Park Road in morning peak. Its not as bad as there are some bailout options such as terminating trains at P2/P3 and moving them to the end of the platform to shunt back to Bowen Hills after peak hour. Its not uncommon to have stationary Park Road terminators inbetween South Brisbane-Vulture Street-Park Road because a train at Park Road is stopped and being cleared before being allowed to depart.
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« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2018, 09:58:58 AM »
We should be aiming to terminate fewer trains in the CBD in peak hour, the counterpeak service levels are abysmal and it is easier to clear and turn back trains when they aren't trying to do it at junctions where numerous lines converge onto the same tracks.
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« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2018, 10:30:13 AM »
Some Caboolture and Sunshine Coast trains in the morning could probably terminate further down the line, tbh.  Extra Springfield and/or Corinda (preferably the former) counter-peak runs (where trains can turn back) would be useful.

Afternoon runs would be a challenge considering the last time a number of Sunshine Coast afternoon peak runs started at Springfield led to overcrowding complaints, although there is one remaining PM Sunshine Coast peak service after 4pm that originates at Springfield.
Planners should probably aim a limited number of extra counter-peak runs to continue to Caboolture only.
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« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2018, 10:56:32 PM »
Another option is, depending on where the trains are deadrunning, to simply clear them once out of the core. You could terminate trains at Buranda, Yeronga or Toowong without it taking too much extra time, and once they are on these branch lines, they are out of the way.

Deadrunning to Buranda and Toowong would also be much appreciated for easy SEB/Western/UQ connections, I imagine. I can understand why QR doesn't want to run expresses only stopping at a few stations, but running an extra few stops out to the CBD fringe would not take too much longer.
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