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16th May 2018

192 Brisbane PowerhouseGlider - Newstead-Teneriffe Express Bus Suggestion

Greetings,

RAIL Back on Track welcomes Brisbane City Council's suggestion that a new express bus route be introduced
into the New Farm - Newstead area. It's great to see that Brisbane City Council has contacted
6000 households in the area to campaign the State Government to fund it.

RAIL Back on Track is broadly supportive of a new route. We have identified that the breadth of the James Street
corridor in New Farm all the way to the Brisbane Powerhouse is grossly under-serviced by Brisbane City Council buses.

"The James Street corridor is just perfect for a Newstead-Teneriffe Express Bus. In fact, it should be a CityGlider."

"Currently, the only bus route that runs along James Street New Farm is the 470 Toowong bus.
It only comes once per hour! It's last service is just after 4.30 PM in the afternoon. There are only 13 services
per day on a Sunday. Compare that with the Blue CityGlider which has almost fifty services in the same time frame."

"Route 470 doesn't even run the whole length of James Street, and doesn't go to the Brisbane Powerhouse."
RAIL Back on Track spokesperson Robert Dow said.

A new Brisbane Powerhouse CityGlider could complement the current West End - Tenneriffe CityGlider.

Our proposed 192 PowerhouseGlider would operate 7 days a week from 7 am - 7 pm every 15 minutes and stop at:

University of Queensland - UQ Lakes
Gladstone Road
Dornoch Terrace
West End Ferry
Boundary Street
Cultural Centre
CBD
Fortitude Valley
James Street
Brisbane Powerhouse

Funding could come reviewing existing bus services, for example,  by finishing the route 470 bus in Fortitude Valley,
upgrading and rerouting the old 192 into a new 192 Brisbane PowerhouseGlider.

Additional funding could come from Brisbane City Council increasing the budget for CityGliders. We also need CityGliders
to Bulimba and the Centenary Suburbs. We call on Brisbane City Council to send a similar survey to residents of the Centenary suburbs and Bulimba.

We call on Transport Minister Mark Bailey to agree to investigate a new CityGlider to the Brisbane Powerhouse via James Street.

All aboard the 192 BrisbanePowerhouseGlider!

Best wishes,
Robert

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References:

New bus route proposed to service inner Brisbane in morning peak hour
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/new-bus-route-proposed-to-service-inner-brisbane-in-morning-peak-hour-20180515-p4zfgq.html

Route 470 Timetable showing the underservicing of James Street, New Farm. James Street was once assessed for Light Rail suitability. https://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/timetables/161212-470,416.pdf

New Bus Network Proposal (2014) showing a proposal to send route 192 to the Brisbane Powerhouse.
http://tiny.cc/newnetwork
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Brisbanetimes --> New bus route proposed to service inner Brisbane in morning peak hour

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Brisbane City Council has contacted more than 6000 households asking them to help convince the state government that a morning express bus is needed to service inner Brisbane’s riverside suburbs.

The council is preparing to pitch its case to the state government for a Newstead-Teneriffe Express bus which would run on the Commercial Road corridor in morning peak hour.

The council’s public and active transport chairman Adrian Schrinner said more people continued to call Brisbane home and it was important the city continued to be serviced by world-class public transport services.

“By 2041, Brisbane will be home to an extra 386,000 residents and council is committed to working with the community to carefully plan for our future,” Cr Schrinner said.

A TransLink spokesman said the Newstead and Teneriffe area was already “well serviced” by several services, including high-frequency buses.

The spokesman said 10 different bus routes services the area.

“TransLink will continue to monitor demand in the area and work closely with Brisbane City Council and the wider community to best meet customer demand,” the spokesman said.

Route 60, the blue City Glider, currently runs in the area and runs every five minutes during peak times and 24 hours on Friday and Saturday.

The blue City Glider service used to run along Commercial Road, but the route was changed to run along Skyring Terrace in 2014.

Central ward councillor Vicki Howard used her ward budget to fund 6300 flyers that were sent to households in the Newstead and Teneriffe area.

“The Commercial Road corridor is a particularly busy route into the city and a ‘Newstead-Teneriffe Express’ would help residents spend less time travelling and more time with their family and friends,” she said.

“I urge residents to contact my ward office, to give us the best opportunity in our pitch to the state government to approve this important public transport service.”

The flyer said it “it's not going to be easy to convince the state to invest in this service".

Opposition transport spokesman Jared Cassidy agreed a second bus route was needed for the area but said the council should fund it.

“If the administration wants to take the decision to expand city glider and have another service they can do that themselves, but obviously they’re not wanting to put money where their mouth is,” he said.

Cr Cassidy said unless the city would do something radical like a congestion charge, very good public transport options needed to be provided.

Residents have until May 31 to provide feedback on the proposed route.
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Nah the funding should go towards a non inner city route at the present time.

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17th May 2018

Three "Must Have" CityGliders for Brisbane!

Greetings,

Following on from yesterday's media reports that Brisbane City Council was considering a new
bus service for the New Farm - Tenerife area, RAIL Back on Track has released the top three
new CityGliders for Brisbane.

We also release map images of the New Farm area showing the under-servicing of the James Street corridor
by Brisbane City Council's buses, and how a new 192 Powerhouse CityGlider could change that.

We think that expanding Brisbane's CityGlider network will be a real winner when the next
Brisbane City Council or State Government election comes around. Compared to large and expensive
infrastructure projects, CityGliders are cheaper than large infrastructure projects and are much faster to deliver.

"Brisbane City councillors who support Light Rail can also support improved CityGlider bus services in the meantime.
The two are not mutually exclusive." RAIL Back on Track spokesperson Robert Dow said.

The top three "must have" CityGliders are

- 400 CentenaryGlider
- 230 BulimbaGlider
- 192 Brisbane PowerhouseGlider

"These services could be funded as part of a wider and very much overdue shake-up of the Brisbane
City Council bus network."

"When you're spending less money on complication and duplication you'll have much more money to
spend on high frequency, high patronage services that passengers will just love."

"We know that the residents of the Centenary suburbs and Bulimba love the idea of a CityGlider in their
suburb. Politicians running in the next council election would be mad not to offer it to them."

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
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References:

Image 1 - Current Brisbane City Council bus network in New Farm area showing under-servicing of James St.
Parallel Brunswick St has high-frequency bus services.



Image 2 - Proposed network with 192 PowerhouseGlider (Jacaranda lilac colour)



Thicker lines indicate higher frequency.
Images from Google Maps and adapted from our New Bus Network Proposal.

New bus route proposed to service inner Brisbane in morning peak hour
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/new-bus-route-proposed-to-service-inner-brisbane-in-morning-peak-hour-20180515-p4zfgq.html

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https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/996783664389242881

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/996841415786225664
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proposed powerhouse glider also takes some heat off the current 196 which is suffering overcrowding issues when peak buses run late.

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proposed powerhouse glider also takes some heat off the current 196 which is suffering overcrowding issues when peak buses run late.

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Letter to the Editor Queensland Times 17th May 2018 page 15

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I hope the 192 Powerhouse bus is funded and that it is given adequate frequency & span of hours. While it won't necessarily serve the same corridor as the current CityGlider, an alternative route should take some of the heat off the CityGlider. The other option is to boost CityGlider service further to every 3 minutes in peak or BUZ the 300 to provide more service along Ann/Wickham Streets.

Regardless, I think the only bad outcome would be yet another rocket servicing the area.
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

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Will there be any more BUZing though? There is already enough problem with dual routes that serve some of the same stops
(306,322) with 306 running every 2 hours on weekends. do they just upgrade the 300 and leave the 301 hourly? or delete it?
or will it just be a case of suburbs with already good bus services getting even more and the poor routes staying hourly or worse?
when the 310/315 were split, the new 315 got a frequency upgrade, yet the 310 didn't.

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Do we need another high frequency bus down Montague Road? The cityglider comes every 5mins in peak!

We should prioritise more buses to places like Yeronga and the Centenary than the inner city IMHO.
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Do we need another high frequency bus down Montague Road? The cityglider comes every 5mins in peak!

Depending on how packed the Glider is in peak, it might need more than 12bph. There's plenty more potential for redevelopment there according to the SSC map.

But the RBoT proposal for the 192 is (was) actually quite a bit different: we routed it via Boundary St instead, continuing all the way along it to Glenfield/Ryan St, then west to the ferry, back north and then onto Dornoch Tce and onward to UQ Lakes.

(Of course, we also proposed that the 196 be extended into Yeronga and that the CityGlider run the full length of Montague Rd, which was an anticipation of redevelopment that looks like it it won't happen just yet.)
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This is the message we all need to communicate on bus reform.

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"When you're spending less money on complication and duplication you'll have much more money to
spend on high frequency, high patronage services that passengers will just love."

Services that passengers will just love!
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Bingo!
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Reminds me of "You'll love Coles..." It's all about Quality!

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Hi Team
 Let me start by saying I have nothing but respect for your operators, and I understand that routes can be unpredictable from one day to the next. One route, however, is not unpredictable, and constantly has full services that have to either go straight past the stop or turn down passengers. These services are the 300, 305, and 306 inbound to the city that operate from around 7:15am (?) onwards. Every. Single. Morning from a Monday through to Friday at Ann Street at Chester Street stop 7, I am either a part of a group that are packed on like sardines, or told “No more.” by the driver. I feel for the drivers, but it is increasingly difficult to tolerate.



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Yet another one of the “bus network reform” chickens coming home to roost.

Route 300 would have been BUZed in the 2013 bus network review, providing significantly more service along the increasingly densifying Ann St and Breakfast Creek Road/Hamilton areas. In the interim the CityGlider from Ann St stop 6 would be the next best bet, but from what I’ve heard they’re pretty full these days too! Oh dear :fp:
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

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Yep blue gilder is really struggling..
Re the 300..
This morning I took an 11.15am o/b and it was very full by the time it reached hamilton.
Also did a crane count for the valley - tennerife - newstead triangle and I counted 8 cranes still up....including a couple which were already perched fairly high...meaning large tower developments..

This is what is p%ssing me off....bailey sits there and brags about his 3.5 million patronage increase but there has been absolute zippity squat improvements for the inner city which is contributing to a large amount of the increases.

And the extra extended buses that are being drip-fed are not going to save the day.....that's for sure...

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I know it's been brought up many times before and is probably a discussion for another day but would it be worth looking at either moving or buying some TAGs or Artics for a depot on the northside? Eagle Farm would probably be the best bet because it has a fairly large number of routes running out of it (including Routes 199/330/P331/333/340/345 and the buses in question) which are prone to overcrowding.
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I know it's been brought up many times before and is probably a discussion for another day but would it be worth looking at either moving or buying some TAGs or Artics for a depot on the northside? Eagle Farm would probably be the best bet because it has a fairly large number of routes running out of it (including Routes 199/330/P331/333/340/345 and the buses in question) which are prone to overcrowding.

Route 199 is unsuitable for anything longer than 12.5m buses I believe due to narrow turning circles and route geometry - the bus runs down small suburban streets and uses some pretty average roundabouts.

330/P331/333/340/345 I agree with though - I think the southside has just gotten priority due to the busway. Any BT bus longer than 12.5m needs approval to run a certain route regularly I believe (just to ensure turning circles and being able to pull in and out of bus stops etc.).
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

 

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