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Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« on: January 08, 2018, 01:24:10 PM »
New timetable due 22nd January 2018.

I hope they address the Cleveland PM peaks and have consistent Mon <> Fri. 
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2018, 02:21:04 PM »
Guessing it's the 2017 timetable at most.

But hoping current Monday-Thursday schedules is Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V into Friday to at least get a consistent Mon-Fri timetable for 2018.  Unfortunately I can't see the current Mon-Thurs gaps being addressed atm, even if Mon-Thur does get copied into Fridays.
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2018, 02:34:32 PM »
I hope they'll inform commuters about the new edition of the timetable somewhere between now & this time next week. But that would be (relatively) sensible, wouldn't it...

If they don't then it'll probably be the 2017 timetable.
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2018, 03:27:04 PM »
Now less than 2 weeks - poor show for there to be no mention of the 2018 timetable. Journey planner shows Fridays to look rather similar to 2017. I'm not expecting much change from the 2017 #RailFail timetable until 2019.

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2018, 07:39:55 PM »
How long does it take to train those extra drivers?  Ideally, it would be good to see that the rate of new, trained drivers coming on board exceeds the rate at which current drivers retire, leave for a better job or are sacked.  The government keeps talking about how many new drivers it is training, but never talks about whether the total pool of available drivers is getting bigger.  Welcome to 'open and accountable' government, Queensland style.

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2018, 02:55:34 AM »
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SEQ rail timetable from 22nd January 2018 / Commonwealth Games

Good Morning,

When will the rail timetables for the period from 22nd January 2018, and during the Commonwealth Games be made publicly available please?

Everything is so last minute with TransLink and Queensland Rail. A sign of failure. People would like to plan in advance.

With respect to the timetable from 22nd January 2018 we hope that there is at least a consistent rail service timetable Monday to Fridays, and the lack of PM peak services on the Cleveland Line particularly is addressed.  Some of our members have looked at the journey planner post 21st January 2018 and does seem the ongoing reduced service timetable that punters suffered during 2017 will continue. Surely there are now more train crew to allow some improvements?

It is now 466 days since the first wave of cancellations associated with rail fail (first occurred on the 30th September 2016).  The travelling public has been suffering cancellations, delays and reduced service since then.  It is an appalling situation the collapse of our rail network, now into the third calendar year.  No amount of spin and bull can cover up this fundamental fact.

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2018, 02:59:10 AM »
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2018, 10:28:26 PM »
It bugs me how they still have old and out of date timetables on the translink site.  They have around 9 links for some of the lines.  Super confusing. 

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2018, 02:41:59 AM »
Shabby second rate effort! They really need a complete corporate, structural and cultural overhaul.

The last Monthly Snapshot was July 2017!

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2018, 07:39:08 AM »
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2018, 07:47:32 AM »
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Back to the old 2017 reduced service rail timetable from 22 Jan 2018

Greetings,

Informed sources have confirmed that Queensland Rail will be reverting back to the 2017 timetables from the 22nd January 2018.

What an absolute failure.  Today is the 469th day of rail fail.  And still they cannot deliver a proper rail service frequency.

Good luck!  Does not bode well for the Commonwealth Games.

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SEQ rail timetable from 22nd January 2018 / Commonwealth Games

Good Morning,

When will the rail timetables for the period from 22nd January 2018, and during the Commonwealth Games be made publicly available please?

Everything is so last minute with TransLink and Queensland Rail. A sign of failure. People would like to plan in advance.

With respect to the timetable from 22nd January 2018 we hope that there is at least a consistent rail service timetable Monday to Fridays, and the lack of PM peak services on the Cleveland Line particularly is addressed.  Some of our members have looked at the journey planner post 21st January 2018 and does seem the ongoing reduced service timetable that punters suffered during 2017 will continue. Surely there are now more train crew to allow some improvements?

It is now 466 days since the first wave of cancellations associated with rail fail (first occurred on the 30th September 2016).  The travelling public has been suffering cancellations, delays and reduced service since then.  It is an appalling situation the collapse of our rail network, now into the third calendar year.  No amount of spin and bull can cover up this fundamental fact.

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2018, 07:59:45 AM »
https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/951574258378879008
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2018, 08:24:25 AM »
wasn't the 2017 timetable an "interim" timetable.

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2018, 09:12:36 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/QueenslandRail/posts/1822376311114054

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2018, 09:32:52 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/QueenslandRail/posts/1822376311114054

Cleveland line has been well and truly shafted by Queensland Rail.  Like Nina, I can't be bothered any more with the bubbles and foam at the CRGs.   
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2018, 09:34:26 AM »
wasn't the 2017 timetable an "interim" timetable.

November 2016 when the reduced services the comments made were there would be progressive improvements.

Simply hasn't happened.  Queensland Rail now delivers the worst rail service in Oceania by a long shot.  What a sad outcome for an outfit that once was very good overall.
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2018, 11:24:15 AM »
many reasons why cleveland line gets shafted.
Easier to route coal trains.  lack of stabling meaning increased dead running.  Lack of proper turnbacks leading to delays.   The line being prone to bridge strikes.  Very major LX's. 
Under the old real timetable, cleveland line in peak was a very delicate operation. 

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2018, 12:33:19 PM »
many reasons why cleveland line gets shafted.
Easier to route coal trains.  lack of stabling meaning increased dead running.  Lack of proper turnbacks leading to delays.   The line being prone to bridge strikes.  Very major LX's. 
Under the old real timetable, cleveland line in peak was a very delicate operation.
Would it be reasonable/viable to raise various parts of the track (e.g. Buranda - Norman Park, lindum - just after Wynnum Central) like what Melbourne is doing with Carnegie, Murrumbeena etc. ? (I don't know the area at all)
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2018, 12:38:16 PM »
Would it be reasonable/viable to raise various parts of the track (e.g. Buranda - Norman Park, lindum - just after Wynnum Central) like what Melbourne is doing with Carnegie, Murrumbeena etc. ? (I don't know the area at all)
A lot of it is on a floodplain, so it would likely be cost-prohibitive. I'd only like to see it to eliminate the Cavendish road LX. 

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2018, 01:32:02 PM »
How long does it take to train those extra drivers?  Ideally, it would be good to see that the rate of new, trained drivers coming on board exceeds the rate at which current drivers retire, leave for a better job or are sacked.  The government keeps talking about how many new drivers it is training, but never talks about whether the total pool of available drivers is getting bigger.  Welcome to 'open and accountable' government, Queensland style.

Minimum of 12 months.  On the advert for the mass employment for trainee drivers and guards last year, I saw that some of those schools would open up around early-mid 2018 (March IIRC), so add 12 months to that, and then a bit before they will have enough crews on board.  From what I've heard the current schools are all full and they are pushing the current trainees by training them up to 6 days a week in order to try and get them through quicker.

If they are smart, they should be doing a mass recruitment drive at least once a year minimum, preferably twice a year.

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2018, 05:12:07 PM »
Great demonstration of the communication cluster-fuk that is QR/TransLink this non official notification of the timetables post 21st January 2018.  They really do not seem care a great deal hey?

I am really starting to despise their flawed culture and utter incompetence when it comes to the basics. 





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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2018, 06:48:55 PM »
Don’t expect any significant improvements during 2018 either.

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2018, 02:13:48 AM »
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Communications 101 lesson

Good Morning,

As far as we can determine no official notification of the reversion back to the 2017 reduced service rail fail timetable from 22nd January 2018 other than this FB post:



Seriously, what a low level of communications management both TransLink/Queensland Rail have now reached.  Where is the official advice from our elected representatives?  It does appear that the ' State of Queensland ' is in quite a state as the approaching AHRC determination re NGR exemption looms. A random Facebook post is how we pick up the the reversion back to more ongoing failure from the 22nd January 2018.

The current ' Summer Timetable ' with even more significant service reductions has had some small relief.  Due to overcrowding 4 additional peak services will be added to the last week of this abomination. See https://translink.com.au/service-updates/159071

If Queensland Rail can modify the Summer Timetable at short notice surely they can make a better fist of it for 2018.  Rather than reverting back to the rail fail 2017 timetable how about changing it to a consistent Monday to Friday timetable (that is make Friday the same as the other week days) and do something about the poor service in the PM peak for the Cleveland Line.

We live in hope as rail fail hits day 470 today of cancellations, delays and reduced service.

Time to drain the swamp!

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2018, 02:22:28 AM »
https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/951851779204956161

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/951853789786460160
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2018, 04:27:26 PM »
I can’t find that FB post? Seems that QR are only posting about dogs rather than considering customer service. Has QR lost the plot?

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2018, 04:36:15 PM »
I can’t find that FB post? Seems that QR are only posting about dogs rather than considering customer service. Has QR lost the plot?

My guess is it may have been ' removed ' as it preempted the official spin announcement I presume.

Have they lost the plot?  Seems so and they have lost their copy of Basic Passenger Comms for Railway Operators Manual too I suspect ...

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2018, 05:15:21 PM »
Bring on contracting!!

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2018, 08:16:20 PM »
I can’t find that FB post? Seems that QR are only posting about dogs rather than considering customer service. Has QR lost the plot?

https://www.facebook.com/QueenslandRail/posts/1830025333682485?comment_id=1830613506957001
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2018, 01:54:19 AM »
I can’t find that FB post? Seems that QR are only posting about dogs rather than considering customer service. Has QR lost the plot?

https://www.facebook.com/QueenslandRail/posts/1830025333682485?comment_id=1830613506957001

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2018, 03:43:22 PM »
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2018, 05:21:33 PM »
How long does it take to train those extra drivers?  Ideally, it would be good to see that the rate of new, trained drivers coming on board exceeds the rate at which current drivers retire, leave for a better job or are sacked.  The government keeps talking about how many new drivers it is training, but never talks about whether the total pool of available drivers is getting bigger.  Welcome to 'open and accountable' government, Queensland style.

Minimum of 12 months.  On the advert for the mass employment for trainee drivers and guards last year, I saw that some of those schools would open up around early-mid 2018 (March IIRC), so add 12 months to that, and then a bit before they will have enough crews on board.  From what I've heard the current schools are all full and they are pushing the current trainees by training them up to 6 days a week in order to try and get them through quicker.

If they are smart, they should be doing a mass recruitment drive at least once a year minimum, preferably twice a year.

Training takes about 48-50 weeks IIRC - not including gaps etc. Not to mention that the driver work force is also very age top heavy. You might train a few but you might loose a couple due to retirement/long service leave.
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2018, 05:44:27 PM »
That's my point, what is the net gain in numbers?  We don't seem to get that ... just that x number of drivers are in training or another y number are finishing their course.

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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2018, 08:10:26 PM »
wasn't the 2017 timetable an "interim" timetable.

November 2016 when the reduced services the comments made were there would be progressive improvements.

Simply hasn't happened.  Queensland Rail now delivers the worst rail service in Oceania by a long shot.  What a sad outcome for an outfit that once was very good overall.
They made 1 improvement that I know of.  And that was turning an all stations from varisty lakes (all beenleigh line stops) train into a express with a normal all stopper at beenleigh

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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2018, 08:25:13 PM »
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That's my point, what is the net gain in numbers?  We don't seem to get that ... just that x number of drivers are in training or another y number are finishing their course.

QLD Gov is just a big propaganda outlet. I groan every time I hear about the % services on time because they cut services and changed the sample size between comparisons.

Theoretically QR could claim 100% on time and 100% availability of train services by cutting the entire timetable bar a single train service per day.
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2018, 08:34:12 PM »
Having a say at 10:30am and 11am train run completely to the timetable means absolutely nothing if your previous normal train left at 10:45.
A reliable timetable means someone can miss their service and still get to where they need to go without too much stress or delay. 

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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2018, 02:04:12 AM »
Low frequency service cancellations, alterations,delays have had a major impact on the public.  Extending journey times by hours in some cases.

The reduced service timetables have meant many have had to abandon PT for other options.  A perverse and sad outcome sadly.

The failure to report timely out of peak OTR is just a cover for dismal outcomes.
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2018, 02:22:58 AM »
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Where are the 22nd January 2018 rail timetables?

Good Morning,

A week to go before the present reduced service ' Summer Timetable ' is due to be replaced with another timetable.

This Facebook post suggests we are simply going back to the 2017 rail fail reduced service timetable.

https://www.facebook.com/QueenslandRail/posts/1830025333682485?comment_id=1830613506957001

No official notification.  You cannot hide failure for ever. TransLink and Queensland Rail need a major reef up the backside.
Their attitude to passenger ( ' customer ' ) communications is abysmal. Last minute and very poorly managed in our view. 

There are major cultural and organisation issues with the way public transport is managed and delivered in Queensland. 
More pompous duplicitous spin and bluster, and lack of timely effort will just deliver more failure. 
Real action is needed to sort the bumbling bureaucracy that is far too comfortable within their mediocrity of effort and action.

Submissions to the AHRC re the NGR application for a temporary exemption close today. 
Good luck ' State of Queensland ', you are going to need it.

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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2018, 02:29:05 AM »
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Re: Timetable from 22nd January 2018
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2018, 05:45:27 AM »
Extract from the CRU 'QR Transformation Progress Report':

“Queensland Rail has developed a proactive communication strategy to be embedded in business as usual activities. The strategy is intended to ensure consistent and accurate internal and external messaging, and increase stakeholder engagement.”

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A Facebook response to one person (Aleta) advising her - and presumably all of us - that the 2017 reduced timetable will apply from 22 January is hardly evidence of "proactive communications embedded in the business culture so as to ensure consistent ... messaging".

A week out from the change, and still no formal notification?

This is further evidence of QR and TMR promising, yet failing to deliver on a promise.

And what of this promise from QR concerning the NGR trains:

“Where practicable, Queensland Rail has adopted the most up-to-date Australian Standards to provide a higher level of access than the minimum requirements. The up-to-date Australian Standards reflect improved application and understanding of the needs of customers with disabilities and this approach assists Queensland Rail in creating a more sustainable rail environment capable of responding to changing circumstances and local community needs."

The get-out words are 'where practicable'.  Always an escape clause. TMR and QR have viewed the DSAPT as guidelines only - to ignore 'where practicable'. The standards have the enforcement of law.

Does a proactive communications strategy involve being silent about management of the NGR trains.  You betcha.  So who does the communications strategy serve?  Certainly is it not (as promised) 'messaging that increases stakeholder engagement'.

Unfortunately for the person who sent the Facebook message to Aleta, they are likely to be taken out the back and flogged.

Just how many days before a major change impacting on 'customers' does QR intend telling people of the timetable change.  Can we expect more of this 'proactive communications' in the lead-up to the Commonwealth Games, when the timetable will change (yet again) for all lines?

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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2018, 05:59:51 AM »
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