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« on: November 17, 2017, 10:49:13 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2017, 10:50:30 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2017, 10:52:28 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2017, 10:55:09 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2017, 10:59:20 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2017, 11:39:32 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2017, 12:54:43 PM »
yep this just confirms the massive residential dev plans on the east side of the m1.......meanwhile the sunny coast...specifically Caloundra is going to overrun with congestion :fp: :fp:

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2017, 01:58:43 PM »
Brisbanetimes --> Labor all aboard for three new rail stations but Cross River Rail comes first

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Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has committed to building three new rail stations on the Gold Coast but the funding schedule for the $120 million project is unclear.

The new stations would only happen if the $5.4 billion Cross River Rail project went ahead, and would be delivered after Cross River Rail, meaning the stations would not be built until 2023.

Ms Palaszczuk stood at the Robina railway station with Transport Minister Jackie Trad to announce the three new stations would be built at Pimpama, Helensvale North and Worongary-Merrimac.

“The three new stations will mean more Gold Coast residents can benefit from the 3150 extra peak-hour seats on the Gold Coast line under Cross River Rail, helping to take pressure off the M1 as well,” Ms Palaszczuk said.

Each station was expected to cost up to $40 million, but state government funding estimates only reach 2021.

Labor has so far said it had budgeted $3 million in the next financial year for design and planning and $25 million in the 2021 financial year.

Ms Palaszczuk stood at the Robina railway station with Transport Minister Jackie Trad to announce the three new stations would be built at Pimpama, Helensvale North and Worongary-Merrimac.

“The three new stations will mean more Gold Coast residents can benefit from the 3150 extra peak-hour seats on the Gold Coast line under Cross River Rail, helping to take pressure off the M1 as well,” Ms Palaszczuk said.

Each station was expected to cost up to $40 million, but state government funding estimates only reach 2021.

Labor has so far said it had budgeted $3 million in the next financial year for design and planning and $25 million in the 2021 financial year.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2017, 02:01:26 PM »
Gold Coast Bulletin --> Three new Gold Coast rail stations to take pressure off the M1

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LABOR has announced it will deliver three new rail stations for the Gold Coast to take pressure off the congested Pacific Motorway.

The new stations will be located at Pimpama, Helensvale North and Worongary-Merrimac, as part of the Cross River Rail project.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk told the Gold Coast Bulletin: “These three new stations will mean more Gold Coast residents can benefit from the 3150 extra peak hour seats on the Gold Coast line under Cross River Rail, helping to take pressure off the M1 as well.

“Better public transport is critical for the Gold Coast, with the population expected to grow by an extra 350,000 residents over the next 25 years — taking the population to almost 1 million people.

“These three new stations will only happen with Cross River Rail — a critical infrastructure project my government has fully funded.”

The Opposition’s immediate response to the announcement today was the Government had only pledged funding for planning and the stations would not be ready until 2023.

Opposition transport spokesman Andrew Powell told the Gold Coast Bulletin: “Today we’ve seen another thought bubble from Annastacia Palaszczuk in the final days of her chaotic campaign.

“Annastacia Palaszczuk has only delivered chaos and disruption for southeast Queensland’s train network. There’s no point having more stations if there are no trains or train drivers.”

Mr Powell said funding a study for extra train stations would not compensate for Labor’s lack of drivers and the scrapping of 470 weekly train services.

He said the rail fail had to be fixed before the Commonwealth Games in April next year.

But the Premier criticised the LNP for not supporting Cross River Rail saying it would mean the new stations had to be cut from future budgets.

“The choice at this election is clear — a stable government that delivers key infrastructure and plans for the future, or an LNP-One Nation coalition of chaos and indecision,” she said.

The Premier said $3 million will be made available for detailed planning and design of the new stations from next year with each station expected to cost up to $40 million.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2017, 02:10:49 PM »
I guess it's good but wonder what the stopping pattern would like? If all stops or station skip for express trains?  I am calculating that it would add six minutes to the total journey if all stops? Wiping the time saving with Cross River Rail for a trip Roma Street to Robina. But the good thing is that people might start using the train more if there is a station nearby to their premises?

Would of like the train extended to Elanora first than extra stations.

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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2017, 02:31:11 PM »
The ' three new rail stations ' at this time is really just an election stunt of sorts.  Will enrage the Sunny Coast folk even more though.

However, there will be a time when additional stations for the GC line will be on the table, Cross River Rail or not.

So I decided to place this here as I expect there will be ongoing discussions in the future, no matter what the election outcome.

Do you think the proposed station locations are sensible?
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2017, 02:41:24 PM »
I'm assuming they match the preserved sites in the State Assessment and Referral Agency mapping, which are reflected in various GCCC plans.

My thoughts:

- On balance, I think this is fine.
- There should be provision for 15 minute frequency local services by adding turnback facilities at Coomera, Pimpama or Ormeau.  This would require trains running between the end of the line and that station southbound in the morning, both directions in the interpeak and northbound in the evenings.
- Additional stops will slow journey times down but not by a huge margin.  They will probably be enough to wipe out the time saving from CRR, so we will be no worse off.
- Long term I suspect Helensvale will end up being a terminating location once the inner Beenleigh, outer Beenleigh and Gold Coast line tiering foreshadowed in the CRR operations plan is put in place.  There is still room for a third platform between the QR and G:link corridors.
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2017, 05:28:26 PM »

I am totally against adding any infill stations on the Gold Coast line.

The Gold Coast line journey is already long enough without adding more stations to it, which will slow down speed even further compared to the counterfactual.

Money like that should be spent on line extension so that the GC line eventually reaches Gold Coast Airport, and RRR HSR conversion to allow all day high speed.
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2017, 06:09:03 PM »
I think our media statement should be that if the GC is to get 3 stations, they should be Tallebugera, Ellanora and Coolangatta. No harm in pushing that barrow  8), and whenever you read comments there is MASSIVE public demand for getting the GC line finished.

As for the new stations, I fully think that Hope Island (Helensvale North) is important because that area is a pt black hole and a station there really allows for some great bus reform on the northern GC.

Worongary I think is a bit dumb.. it looks like it is surrounded by flood plain and low density semi rural type estates.

Pimpama one needs to happen eventually because the amount of residental growth  in that area is insane (And part of the reasons we are hearing calls for a 2nd m1 through there!)

Lapdog i can see why you are opposed to extra stops,  but of all of them, there really is no alternative to adding one at Pimpama long term.


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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2017, 08:10:34 PM »
Pimpama makes sense.

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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2017, 10:43:21 PM »

I am totally against adding any infill stations on the Gold Coast line.

The Gold Coast line journey is already long enough without adding more stations to it, which will slow down speed even further compared to the counterfactual.

Money like that should be spent on line extension so that the GC line eventually reaches Gold Coast Airport, and RRR HSR conversion to allow all day high speed.

The sums involved won't even pay for 2km of light rail, let alone heavy rail.

As a daily user of the line, I am not troubled at all:
- The main delay for Gold Coast trains is the Beenleigh line alignment and fat added in the inner city (10 minutes from Park Road to Central, with 5 minutes alone between South Brisbane and Roma St).  This is soluble.
- CRR will reduce trip times and NGR have superior acceleration and are likely to manage it better, leading me to conclude trip times will be comparable to what they are now if not better
- Buses in these locations are poorly patronised and difficult to fund to the point of making them attractive, whereas leveraging the existing rail capacity is simple and doesn't result in as significant an ongoing cost
- It helps build a stronger case for 15 minute local headways, particularly once the developments in the immediate vicinity of Coomera start to fill out
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2017, 02:13:30 AM »
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18th November 2017

2017 Election - New Gold Coast Line Stations

Greetings,

Labor have announced a policy to construct 3 new stations on the existing Gold Coast line, at Worongary, Helensvale North (Hope Island) and Pimpama.

These stations will open after Cross River Rail is complete, a logical conclusion given additional CBD capacity is needed first, in order to carry the additional incoming passenger load.

RAIL Back on Track believes this announcement will increase the accessibility to the line, with the trade-off being a minor slow down in travel times due to the additional stops.

Pimpama is the most crucial of the three stations, given the phenomenal residential growth on the Northern Gold Coast. This growth is already causing congestion spillover onto the M1, and has driven the Opposition's calls to build a 2nd M1. Clearly improving the frequency and accessibility of rail services can give people a means to escape this congestion.

Helensvale North on Hope Island road will fill in a gap in the public transport network. The Coomera river is a natural barrier so driving/bussing to Coomera station is slow and indirect at present for people in this area.

Worangary/Merrimac will probably be the least used of the new stations, given it is surrounded by floodplains and a mixture of low density and semi rural housing.

However, RAIL Back on Track believes the #1 priority for new heavy rail stations should be the Southern GC, with an extension to Tallebudgera, Elanora and Coolangatta. Currently the Southern GC suffers a triple whammy of a congested M1, no heavy rail and no light rail, and it's time the inaction on public transport infrastructure in this area ended, with the government being honest about when it intends to complete planned projects to the south.

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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2017, 02:19:45 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2017, 11:48:34 AM »
The Australian --> Palaszczuk links Brisbane river crossing to Gold Coast stations

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Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has ramped up her pitch to win critical Liberal National Party seats in its Gold Coast stronghold with the promise of an expanded rail system linked to its pet infrastructure project in inner-city Brisbane.

But the announcement of three new train stations will depend on the $5.4 billion Cross River Rail project opposed by One Nation and not a priority for the LNP.

As the election battlelines were drawn around southeast Queensland, neither Ms Palaszczuk nor Deputy Premier Jackie Trad could explain why the new stations hinged on the new river crossing.

LNP leader Tim Nicholls, who after weeks of stonewalling yesterday said he would reduce debt, has refused to say whether he would go ahead with the Cross River Rail if elected next Saturday, and has raised concerns about the validity of the project.

One Nation state leader Steve Dickson has said quashing the ­expensive river crossing would be his No 1 priority in negotiating support in the event of a hung parliament.

The Premier said the new train stations — at Worongary/Merrimac, Helensvale North and Pimpama in the LNP electorates of Mudgeeraba, Theodore and Coomera — meant commuters could benefit from 3150 extra peak-hour seats on the Gold Coast line.

The three stations, which would cost about $40 million each, would be finished by 2023, but only if Cross River Rail went ahead.

“What Cross River Rail will mean is reduced travel times from the Gold Coast into the city and without Cross River Rail we will not be able to build these three extra stations,’’ Ms Palaszczuk said.

LNP transport spokesman ­Andrew Powell said the government’s so-called “rail fail” — where a shortage of train drivers led to mass service cancellations over several months — showed Labor could not be trusted to manage trains.

“There’s no point having more stations if there are no trains or train drivers,” he said.

Mr Nicholls has ruled out forming a coalition with One Nation, but has left the door open to ­accepting support from the minor party in the event of a hung parliament.

Mr Nicholls’ pledge to reduce debt comes after weeks of promising he would “stabilise” it, but ­revealing no details.

“Under the LNP, debt will be less than Labor’s current projected $81.16 billion (by 2020-21),” he said yesterday after stumbling over the question at the people’s forum the night before.

Ms Palaszczuk has said debt is a “priority” but has not said whether or how she would reduce it.

Mr Nicholls ventured west to Charleville in the LNP’s Warrego electorate yesterday to announce his agriculture policy, which ­included $25m in new funding for pest management programs.
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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2017, 04:55:26 PM »
No! Terrible idea!

The railway line right now is fast - in fact, it is just as fast to travel by train from Beenleigh to Varsity Lakes than it is to travel on the M1 by car - in clear traffic conditions. If the railway line continued down the M1 alignment to Brisbane, I can't see there being a need to widen the M1 for 50 years - people would flock to the railway line thanks to the speed and ability to avoid congestion.

Adding in three stations halves stop spacing from 8km to 4km between Ormeau and Robina, will increase trip times by several minutes and, for the Pimpama & Merrimac stations, have minimal impact in terms of improving the local bus network. I can see some benefit in a Helensvale North station thanks to the local geography and road network, but a Pimpama station and Merrimac station just don't make sense when you sit down and look at it.

I'd much rather see funds put into building a station at Ellen Grove, or extending the Gold Coast Line south to Elanora/GC Airport, rather than more stations.
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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2017, 05:16:01 PM »
I am a bit undecided on this one.

Yes, the new stations will draw in more customers and improve the catchment of rail transport into new areas but I am worried about the extra time taken. I know SurfRail has said with CRR the time savings will cancel out the extra stops but I think I would still like to have spaced out stops like the ones at present. It does provide a very competitive journey against the car.

I've had this thought bubble for a while now. Something that could potentially happen is have the current Gold Coast Line (Limited Stops) and have a local service running All Stops (I'll name it the Inner Gold Coast Line for argument sakes-IGCL).

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The GC Line runs it's current stopping pattern from Domestic to Beenleigh then Ormeau (not current station), Pimpama, Coomera, Helensvale, Nerang, Robina, Varsity Lakes, Elanora, GC Airport and possibly Coolangatta.
The new IGCL will stop at all stations from Beenleigh to GC Airport or Coolangatta.

It would be ideal to have the line run as four tracks all the way from Park Rd to Coolangatta, but that will cost just a little bit of money (in addition to space available and time-frames).

So, one thing that could be done is have each of the IGCL train stations (e.g. Pimpama North, Carrara West) have a passing loop platform in both directions (4 tracks total: 2 express tracks through the middle, 2 tracks with platforms on the outsides). At stations where both the GCL and IGCL stop at, it would be ideal to have 4 platforms (2 Northbound, 2 Southbound).

The only problem with the passing loop platforms is that if a service is delayed, it can affect have a domino affect on the following services.

But, if timetabled correctly, it could work out well. An instance of this is the Central Coast Line in NSW between Hornsby and Hamilton. They have both a Limited Stop service and an All Stopping service (except they never overtake each other- well, not that I'm aware of anyway).

There probably could be a more efficient way of running these services (e.g. by having one that does run the whole length from Coolangatta to Domestic stopping at all GC stations) but that would be long, slow and uninviting. I feel this could work if executed correctly.

Obviously, there are projects with much higher priority over this one, but I just wanted to get it out there. It would be better to see the GC Line extended to Coolangatta (with provisional works) before this concept is going to be thought about being implemented.
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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2017, 07:03:37 PM »
Pimpama resident here, will share my thoughts.

I welcome the announcement. The trains are already full in morning peak and the cars parks are only going to fill up faster. Especially with CRR, rail will be more attractive (hopefully anyway) with the quicker journey times.

Pimpama Station
From what I can tell (mainly from this article) the Pimpama station will be located on the Old Pacific Highway just north of Yawalpah Road (map). There's already decent density around that spot, and with an insane amount of new houses being built every day in the area, plus a new shopping centre being built just north of that location.

Helensvale North Station.
First things first for the love of all things rail this should be named Hope Island station. I believe the plan is for the station to be situated on Hope Island Road, there's a nice open space along the line just north of the road that would accommodate an elevated station similar to Springfield Central though ideally not as grandiose. Hope Island is a public transport black hole at the moment but it shouldn't be too hard to set up a decent feeder or two to cover Hope Island and deliver them the short distance to the new station.

Worongary-Merrimac Station.
Not sure exactly where they plan to put it, around Gooding Drive maybe, or perhaps a bit further noth behind the service centre? There's some density around there, but it looks like it'd be harder to set up a bus network around there. I don't know the area so I won't comment too much. I think I'd rather a station at Jacobs Ridge though, around Eggersdorf Road.

How I imagine stopping patterns would run, you'd have a limited stops express, say Varsity Lakes, Robina, Nerang, Helensvale, Coomera, Pimpama, Beenleigh and on to Brisbane, then you'd have a local shuttle between Varsity Lakes and Beenleigh that would stop all stations. (Perhaps in peak hour this could be extended to Bowen Hills, and not stop at all between Beenleigh and Boggo Road to make up the time lost in stopping at the extra GC stations) I feel this local shuttle coupled with a decent feeder bus network is extremely important, the trains are full in morning peak but are very underutilised during the middle of the day due to the lack of density around the stations and the infrequency of the buses. The 729 is every 2 hours ffs. There's more and more shopping centres being built close to the railway line, but people are driving because getting to the stations is a major inconvenience. It would require turnbacks implemented as SurfRail mentioned, although I'd prefer a rebuilt Beenleigh station with 4 platforms.

That said, I feel there would be higher priority projects such as SCL duplication (why not both) or extending the line to the airport. Also looking at the timelines, it might require Labor winning the next two elections to even get off the ground. But we're going to need these stations eventually and $40m doesn't seem particularly expensive, this sounds pretty good.

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2017, 07:04:28 PM »
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No! Terrible idea!

The railway line right now is fast - in fact, it is just as fast to travel by train from Beenleigh to Varsity Lakes than it is to travel on the M1 by car - in clear traffic conditions. If the railway line continued down the M1 alignment to Brisbane, I can't see there being a need to widen the M1 for 50 years - people would flock to the railway line thanks to the speed and ability to avoid congestion.


Agree. I don't buy the "but there will be people there" argument. The Southern Gold Coast has had people living there for 50+ years, these are established suburbs that have no access to rail at all. People in the northern regions of the Gold Coast have the opportunity to drive to the station or get the bus. (It isn't great, but it is far better than what the Southern Gold Coast residents have - nothing).

Cancel the M1 upgrades/duplication and spend it on Gold Coast Line rail extension towards OOL Airport.

I don't think a local service will be popular or is justified until there are Perth-style 15 min trains to Brisbane on the line. However, I am happy to be proven wrong and thus will support a trial of 12 months for local train services on the line.

Sunshine Coast line people must be fuming at this announcement no doubt. Particularly when red team have not supported SCL duplication and their station platforms are infested with fungi.
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2017, 10:35:44 PM »
Yeah but if we do a simple thought experiment there's always going to be some part of SEQ without rail, so that's not a sound basis for argument.

So collectively denying small improvements here and there in order to "pool" funds for major extensions is not sound basis for policy.

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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2017, 10:57:03 PM »
When there are population and activity centres on the Sunshine Coast line anywhere near comparable to what is already at Robina and going in at Coomera, the comparison will be a bit more valid.

The main reason for 15 minute headways is local travel, not intercity travel.
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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2017, 11:03:29 PM »
The Gold Coast line is the only fast line on the network that hasn't been screwed.

With suggestions for stations at Garden City, Underwood and Logan in the Regional Rapid Rail concept there will be little point in any speed upgrade.

Red Team is proposing this as short term vote buying exercise to get them a Gold Coast seat that they desperately need to hold power. Another short term bad policy that will cause long term problems.

"Express to my stationitis" very apt for this proposal.
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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2017, 08:55:41 AM »
I think people need to go overseas to see some examples of having various mixtures of stopping patterns on the same line. Or heck even in NSW on the Newcastle and Central Coast line.

Because right now the logic im seeing is that if you are in one urban area, you get stations at a 2-4km interval...cool.

But if you live in another urban area that has limited stops train passing through, its too bad so sad, you're driving several km to a station, even if this urban area has decent density

I still remember quite vividly using the Midlands main line in the UK and blasting past endless intermediate stations so fast you couldn't even read the station signs.

This is the reality of the southern corridor.

Clearly nobody is advocating for stops every 1km based on a walk up paradgrim.

At the same time its not sustainable to deny areas easy access to rail just because they weren't lucky enough to exist in 1995 when the line opened.

I think the solution is a teired service. The southern part of the tier would run non stop from Helensvale.

People readily accept the need for quads or triplication on the other long lines in the network to balance the needs of local access and speed.

This is the conversation that needs to be had now because trying to service a city of 500,000 on a single track pair is daft.
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« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2017, 09:09:46 AM »
I'm not even concerned about tiering or skip-stop.

These are all existing, preserved station sites.  Adding them is not going to materially slow down the trip given the line speed and the acceleration profile of the NGRs.

Making the point that these stations are not going to happen without CRR is prudent as it will lead to no overall loss of speed.

The real problem is north of Beenleigh. 
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« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2017, 11:43:44 AM »
You could add them and make an local all stops service and express.  Similar to the south coast line in wollongong, or how the newcastle line used to operate. They should be adding elanora, coolangatta and tweed heads. 
Pimpama, merrimac and helensvale north along with varsity lakes and ormeu should be absorbed into a local all stops services, being extended to brisbane in peak hours only.  Since its a passenger only line, with no LX's, long term goal should be beenleigh- tweed heads all stops and brisbane to tweed heads both running at 4 tph.   totalling 8tph. 

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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2017, 11:54:04 AM »
What about just commiting to one new station on the Northern Gold Coast and spend the rest extending south to Elanora and Coolangatta.

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« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2017, 05:15:12 PM »
What about just commiting to one new station on the Northern Gold Coast and spend the rest extending south to Elanora and Coolangatta.
This would probably be ideal but way too expensive. These 3 stations are budgeted at  only $40m per station, that won't get you very far with extending the line south when you consider Robina to Varsity Lakes was $300m

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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2017, 05:58:57 PM »
You could add them and make an local all stops service and express.  Similar to the south coast line in wollongong, or how the newcastle line used to operate. They should be adding elanora, coolangatta and tweed heads. 
Pimpama, merrimac and helensvale north along with varsity lakes and ormeu should be absorbed into a local all stops services, being extended to brisbane in peak hours only.  Since its a passenger only line, with no LX's, long term goal should be beenleigh- tweed heads all stops and brisbane to tweed heads both running at 4 tph.   totalling 8tph.

I'd run 4 trains per hour in the off-peak or counter-peak, with every train stopping at all stations from the southern end of the line to Coomera, and with every second train reversing there.  Build a centre turnback at the northern end - simple.

Running Newcastle or Wollongong style would be great - let's have half-hourly or less on both services, and all-stations services to Brisbane as part of the regular timetable.  Yay!
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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2017, 06:01:57 PM »
What about just commiting to one new station on the Northern Gold Coast and spend the rest extending south to Elanora and Coolangatta.

$120m wouldn't even get you to Tallebudgera, which is itself a useless station that I don't actually want to see built.

Conservatively, I'd say Varsity Lakes to Gold Coast Airport would be around $1.5bn minimum using Varsity Lakes costings (2009 dollars at that) - probably more.  Anywhere south of Varsity is going to involve a fair bit of bridging, blasting and excavation so it could well end up being a fair bit more than that.  Light rail is probably going to be $1.5bn minimum too.
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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2017, 06:38:26 PM »

Spend the money on light rail extension from Helensvale to Hope Island or further north.
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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2017, 08:10:05 PM »
Given the amount of inter-station traffic on the Gold Coast Line is significant, and future urban growth, I think this is a good move. I think trains should be all stations between Beenleigh and Varsity Lakes. Expected increases in frequency would make up the for the increased journey times. Expressing would just result in uneven frequencies, and decrease intra-Gold Coast journey possibilities.

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« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2017, 09:58:24 AM »

Spend the money on light rail extension from Helensvale to Hope Island or further north.

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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2017, 10:01:13 AM »
Given the amount of inter-station traffic on the Gold Coast Line is significant, and future urban growth, I think this is a good move. I think trains should be all stations between Beenleigh and Varsity Lakes. Expected increases in frequency would make up the for the increased journey times. Expressing would just result in uneven frequencies, and decrease intra-Gold Coast journey possibilities.
But still I don't think all 3 stations are required now. Yes 1 more but there should be a priority going South.

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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2017, 02:59:01 PM »

Spend the moment on light rail extension from Helensvale to Hope Island or further north.

Ok guys, 3x stations at $40m each = $120m.

Can you stop joking around that $120m will build you an extension?

You might get 2km of track only, if you are lucky.

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« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2017, 09:57:30 AM »
I'm assuming they match the preserved sites in the State Assessment and Referral Agency mapping, which are reflected in various GCCC plans.

My thoughts:

- On balance, I think this is fine.
- There should be provision for 15 minute frequency local services by adding turnback facilities at Coomera, Pimpama or Ormeau.  This would require trains running between the end of the line and that station southbound in the morning, both directions in the interpeak and northbound in the evenings.
- Additional stops will slow journey times down but not by a huge margin.  They will probably be enough to wipe out the time saving from CRR, so we will be no worse off.
- Long term I suspect Helensvale will end up being a terminating location once the inner Beenleigh, outer Beenleigh and Gold Coast line tiering foreshadowed in the CRR operations plan is put in place.  There is still room for a third platform between the QR and G:link corridors.

I made a trip to Broadbeach on Christmas Day, and noted that the light rail platforms are numbered 4 and 5, so there certainly seems to be provision for a fourth third platform at Helensvale.
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« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2018, 04:10:42 AM »
OK....I'm going to say it...maybe others already have.....starting in the 2020's time to start....wait for it.....QUAD'ing the GC line.....

If you want to see it go on to the Tweed one day [yes, trains can cross state boundaries...we can do it....be not afraid].......AND be able to offer limited/express services and slower local style services....all at once.........4 is the necessary number......

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Brisbane/GC....massive growth corridor......

and YES...attn needs to turn to Sunshine Coast too....
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