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NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« on: October 19, 2017, 05:06:38 PM »
https://twitter.com/HelenSpelitis/status/920908562422931457
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2017, 05:07:41 PM »
^ NGR ? ?
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2017, 05:12:07 PM »
https://twitter.com/HelenSpelitis/status/920908799946383360
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2017, 05:21:28 PM »
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2017, 05:22:10 PM »
Seems that the train may have been under tow and something has happened during that process that has lead to the derailment.
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2017, 05:23:28 PM »
Queensland Times --> BREAKING: Reports of train derailment

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The incident was first reported about 4.25pm near Wulkuraka train station. Helen Spelitis

UPDATE: A TRAIN has derailed at Wulkuraka.

Only two people were on board, the driver and the guard, both are thought to have escaped without injuries.

The front end of the train has been completely destroyed.

All emergency services are at the scene, at Wulkuraka Train Station.

Witnesses report hearing a loud bang as the train came off the tracks.

It is believed the passenger train was being tested and pulled along the track before it derailed.

Nearby resident Cobie Hill heard the commotion and came out in time to see the train wobbling as it was lifted off the track.

"I came down to check on the driver," she said.

"I think he was in a bit of shock but seemed OK."

EARLIER: EMERGENCY services have rushed to the scene of a reported train derailment at Ipswich this afternoon.

The incident was first reported about 4.25pm near Wulkuraka train station.

A Queensland Ambulance spokesman says paramedics are on scene and are assessing two train crew members for injuries.

More to come.
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2017, 05:24:42 PM »
Oh dear .... one damaged NGR and we haven't paid for it yet?
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2017, 05:34:46 PM »
https://www.qt.com.au/news/reports-train-derailment/3242857/

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UPDATE: A TRAIN has derailed at Wulkuraka.

Only two people were on board, the driver and the guard, both are thought to have escaped without injuries.

One end of the train has been completely destroyed and there was damage to a carriage.

All emergency services are at the scene, at Wulkuraka Train Station.

Witnesses report hearing a loud bang as the train came off the tracks.

It is believed the passenger train was being tested and pulled along the track before it derailed.

Nearby resident Cobie Hill heard the commotion and came out in time to see the train wobbling as it was lifted off the track.

"I came down to check on the driver," she said.

"I think he was in a bit of shock but seemed OK."

Rail advocate Robert Dow from Rail Back On Track, says the train is one of the NGR trains and the incident could be concerning.

"This needs to be investigated," Mr Dow said.

"I saw one of the NGRs come through Goodna at 4.50am this morning, so they have been out testing them today."
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2017, 05:45:07 PM »
Looks like it was shunting and they've gone through the catch points. Front end not "destroyed", it wouldn't have had the nosecone section on to start with! Several in the yard without it.

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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2017, 05:51:18 PM »
https://www.qt.com.au/news/reports-train-derailment/3242857/

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UPDATE: A TRAIN has derailed at Wulkuraka.

Only two people were on board, the driver and the guard, both are thought to have escaped without injuries.

One end of the train has been completely destroyed and there was damage to a carriage.

Three carriages were partially lifted off the track.

All emergency services were called to the scene, at Wulkuraka Train Station.

Witnesses reported hearing a loud bang as the train came off the tracks, just before 4.30pm.

It is believed the passenger train was being tested and pulled along the track before it derailed.

Nearby resident Cobie Hill heard the commotion and came out in time to see the train wobbling as it was lifted off the track.

"I came down to check on the driver," she said.

"I think he was in a bit of shock but seemed OK."

The QT has contacted Queensland Rail, who redirected the query to Translink.

We are yet to get through to Translink.

Queensland Police, however, confirmed the driver was treated for shock but was not injured.

Information provided to Queensland Police confirmed the train was being towed and was not in service at the time of the incident.


Rail advocate Robert Dow from Rail Back On Track, says the train is one of the NGR trains and the incident could be concerning.

"This needs to be investigated," Mr Dow said.

"I saw one of the NGRs come through Goodna at 4.50am this morning, so they have been out testing them today."

It is unclear if there will be delays along the line as a result. 
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2017, 05:55:33 PM »
Looks like it was shunting and they've gone through the catch points. Front end not "destroyed", it wouldn't have had the nosecone section on to start with! Several in the yard without it.

Yes, seems so.  Was being shunted in the yard and gone through catch points.  If you look at the video pan above you just make out the shunting machine (yellow) at the end of the clip.  So it certainly took off!
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2017, 06:12:35 PM »
https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/920923203114901504
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2017, 06:14:19 PM »
 :o :o :o
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2017, 06:22:09 PM »
Brisbanetimes --> One of Queensland's new trains derails near Ipswich




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One of Queensland's controversial new trains has derailed near Ipswich.

The New Generation Rollingstock engine was being towed through Ipswich just before 4.30pm when the derailment occured at Wulkuraka railway station.

The towing engine was left on its side and three of the passenger train's carriages were off the rails.

The new train was not in service when the incident happened so there were no customers onboard.

Two patients were assessed at the scene but neither needed to be taken to hospital, according to a Queensland Ambulance Service spokeswoman.

Last month, Deputy Premier and Transport Minister Jackie Trad finally announced the government would officially "accept" one of the NGR trains, about two years after they actually arrived in the country.

After the remaining 22 issues were fixed within a few weeks, the first of the trains were expected to start entering passenger service.

The first NGR trains were due to be operational in mid-2016.
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2017, 06:33:34 PM »
A correspondent has reported to me that the NGR is 715.

If you look carefully at the photograph of the front end of 715 you can still see the protective cover over the front end.  Nose cone has not been fitted as JimmyP pointed out.
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2017, 06:39:23 PM »
Couriermail --> Derailment at Wulkuraka involving NGR test train

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A DERAILMENT near Ipswich this afternoon involved a New Generation Rollingstock test train.

The Queensland Times reported only two people were on board, the driver and the guard, and both were believed to have escaped without injury in the incident, which happened just before 4.30pm.

The front end of the train has been extensively damaged.

Emergency services were at the scene at Wulkuraka train station.

Witnesses report hearing a loud bang as the train came off the tracks.

It is believed the passenger train was being tested and pulled along the track before it derailed.

Nearby resident Cobie Hill heard the commotion and came out in time to see the train wobbling as it was lifted off the track.

“I came down to check on the driver,” she said.

“I think he was in a bit of shock but seemed OK.”

Queensland police confirmed the driver had been treated for shock but was not injured.

Information provided to Queensland pollice confirmed the train was being towed and was not in service at the time of the incident.

Rail advocate Robert Dow of Rail Back On Track confirmed it was an NGR test unit and said the incident should be concerning.

“This needs to be investigated,” Mr Dow said.

“I saw one of the NGRs come through Goodna at 4.50 this morning, so they have been out testing them today.”

Transport Minister Jackie Trad confirmed the train was being shunted when it “experienced a derailment”.

“Initial reports indicate there were no injuries to Bombardier staff who were shunting the train,” she said.

“A full investigation into the incident is under way. “

The rollout of the NGR fleet, originally slated for mid-2016, has been delayed at last 18 months by design issues which have further blown out the $4 billion-plus cost.
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2017, 06:47:27 PM »
Some photographs from the scene at Wulkuraka









Photographs Geoff Trappett 19th October 2017
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2017, 06:51:21 PM »
There's no doubt this derailment will be investigated thoroughly, as is proper. However, the state government must, in this matter, lift the veil of secrecy that it has thrown over all aspects of the NGR trains.  It can't simply say 'nothing interesting here, move on folks.'  It must be open and take the public every step of the way as the cause is investigated and measures implemented to ensure it does not happen again.

The public needs to have complete confidence in the safety and operational performance of the NGR trains.

The long delay in commissioning them have not instilled confidence in these trains.  The impression is that they were 'built on the cheap.'  Having an open book re this investigation is the way to go.

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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2017, 06:59:28 PM »
Queensland Times https://www.qt.com.au/news/reports-train-derailment/3242857/#/0

There is a nice vid and some photographs too!

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UPDATE 6PM:

A FULL investigation has been launched into the derailment of a train at an Ipswich train station.

The New Generation Rollingstock passenger train came off the tracks at Wulkuraka Train Station, just before 4.30pm.

Only two people - Bombardier staff - were on board the train, which is not yet in service.

No one was injured in the incident, although the driver was treated for shock.

The train was being shunted, either pushed or pulled along the track, when it derailed.

The exact cause is not yet known, but it is believed the derailment was not caused by the NGR train.

Deputy Premier Jackie Trad has released a statement saying an investigation has been launched.

"Late this afternoon, an New Generation Rollingstock train being shunted at the Wulkuraka Maintenance Centre experienced a derailment," Deputy Premier Jackie Trad said.

 "Initial reports indicate there were no injuries to Bombardier staff who were shunting the train.

"A full investigation into the incident is underway."

Witnesses reported hearing a loud bang as the train came off the tracks.

Nearby resident Cobie Hill heard the commotion and came out in time to see the train wobbling as it was lifted off the track.

"I came down to check on the driver," she said.

"I think he was in a bit of shock but seemed OK."

The QT understands the NGR train had not finished testing and had not been accepted by the Queensland Government. 
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2017, 07:02:47 PM »






There's no doubt this derailment will be investigated thoroughly, as is proper. However, the state government must, in this matter, lift the veil of secrecy that it has thrown over all aspects of the NGR trains.  It can't simply say 'nothing interesting here, move on folks.'  It must be open and take the public every step of the way as the cause is investigated and measures implemented to ensure it does not happen again.

The public needs to have complete confidence in the safety and operational performance of the NGR trains.

The long delay in commissioning them have not instilled confidence in these trains.  The impression is that they were 'built on the cheap.'  Having an open book re this investigation is the way to go.

Firstly glad driver and guard are ok. Exactly as Stillwater says. I said to QR yesterday on another matter "you win friends with honesty".

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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2017, 07:03:19 PM »
https://twitter.com/kerrinbinnie/status/920929460588658688
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2017, 07:04:01 PM »
https://twitter.com/COBrienBris/status/920925673387986944
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2017, 08:05:33 PM »
ONRSR & ATSB will be involved, so the report will appear on the ATSB site.

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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2017, 08:11:28 PM »
From 'Bob' on the C-M website:

"Its amazing people comment on what they know absolutely nothing about. So I'll have a go... the train was being shunted into the yard by the yellow shunt tractor in the picture. The shunt tractor derailed and the momentum of the NGR train hit the shunt tractor forcing the NGR train to derail. Not the NGR trains fault. The question is why did the shunt tractor derail?"

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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2017, 08:58:29 PM »
Stillwater if you look at the pics Geoff posted you can see the train past that red signal which just beyond is a set of catch points so good chance it was a spad by the shunters to be where it stopped
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2017, 10:07:43 PM »
There's no doubt this derailment will be investigated thoroughly, as is proper. However, the state government must, in this matter, lift the veil of secrecy that it has thrown over all aspects of the NGR trains.  It can't simply say 'nothing interesting here, move on folks.'  It must be open and take the public every step of the way as the cause is investigated and measures implemented to ensure it does not happen again.

The public needs to have complete confidence in the safety and operational performance of the NGR trains.

The long delay in commissioning them have not instilled confidence in these trains.  The impression is that they were 'built on the cheap.'  Having an open book re this investigation is the way to go.
The report into the matter will be made public due to the ATSB being the rail safety regulator in Queensland now.

Stillwater if you look at the pics Geoff posted you can see the train past that red signal which just beyond is a set of catch points so good chance it was a spad by the shutters to be where it stopped
I wonder if they have an automated version of those big yellow bastard clamps we got here at Mayne after a 'shunting' accident a few years back :P

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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2017, 10:34:22 PM »
They do have them in the yard it's self at the entrance to the sheds only

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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2017, 11:20:49 PM »
Assumed that would have been the case.

Anyhoo. Looks like someone screwed up big time with that spad.
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2017, 02:07:31 AM »
Couriermail --> Derailment at Wulkuraka involving NGR test train

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AN INVESTIGATION is under way after one of Queensland Rail’s beleaguered New Generation Rollingstock trains came off the tracks.

Emergency services were called to the Wulkuraka Maintenance Centre in Ipswich on Thursday afternoon, after the train derailed as it was being shunted by staff of the train’s manufacturer, Bombardier.

There were no passengers on board the train, which is still undergoing tests before being put into operation.

Transport Minister Jackie Trad last night confirmed that a “full investigation” into the incident was under way.

“Initial reports indicate there were no injuries to Bombardier staff who were shunting the train,” she said.

The Courier-Mail understands the incident was not linked to the operational capacity of the NGR, and that the train was not undergoing tests when it derailed but was simply being moved.

The NGR trains have been plagued by key problems, including issues with brakes and sightlines from the driver’s cab.

An Opposition spokesman said the incident needed to be independently investigated.

“But the botched implementation of the NGR fleet is 100 per cent Labor’s mess and they need to explain why after the trains were given the green light late in 2016 that they still haven’t been put into service,” he said.

The train involved in the incident is believed to have sustained minor damage.

It will not be used while the matter is investigated.

The Government plans to have the first train in operation by the end of this year, ahead of the Commonwealth Games on the Gold Coast in April.

Witnesses report hearing a loud bang as the train came off the tracks.
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2017, 03:10:22 AM »
https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/921060784301514752
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2017, 04:11:44 AM »
https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/921074155889364992
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2017, 05:59:21 AM »
Queensland Times 20th October 2017 page 5

Trains derails at Wulkuraka

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« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2017, 06:01:15 AM »
^^ What are the big yellow boxy things?
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2017, 06:05:46 AM »
^^ What are the big yellow boxy things?

The shunting tractor/vehicle.  My guess is where the shunter vehicle is the location of the catch points.  It was derailed and deflected off the track.  The train's momentum kept it going for a while along the line, derailing the first few carriages as it passed the catch points.

The real question here is:  Was this a simple SPAD, or was it a runaway situation (say the shunter vehicle locked on and couldn't be stopped)? In either case the catch points have done what they are intended to do.  Stop the train before the mainline.
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2017, 07:49:12 AM »
https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/921130407860387840
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2017, 09:02:18 AM »
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« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2017, 09:03:17 AM »
Been booked by 9 News for an interview later this morning ..
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2017, 09:29:27 AM »
The real question here is:  Was this a simple SPAD, or was it a runaway situation (say the shunter vehicle locked on and couldn't be stopped)? In either case the catch points have done what they are intended to do.  Stop the train before the mainline.

If there's something that we can take away from this, it's reassurance that a train derailed instead of moving onto a track that potentially could have resulted in a head-on collision with a passenger service.  (Of course that's unlikely given the frequency on the Rosewood line.)

About the braking... I assume that these shunting tractors tie into the train's braking system?  (I doubt that the little yellow tractor could stop a train all by itself.)  Is it possible that the train's braking system failed?  Was the government a bit premature in ruling out the actual train as the cause of this accident?
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2017, 09:35:19 AM »
^ not sure yet Derwan. Some sources suggest basically just a SPAD against the catch points set to derail.

Couple more NGRs at the Port of Brisbane, understand were due to move to Wulkuraka today.   Not sure if that will happen as line to yard still blocked.
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Re: NGR train derailed at Wulkuraka
« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2017, 09:36:10 AM »
https://twitter.com/jenniferkhuxley/status/921157202454466561
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