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September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« on: September 04, 2017, 03:53:12 PM »
Understand this timetable will be made available soon.

It will be similar to previous ' school holiday ' timetables in the post rail fail era in terms of service frequency, however better attention has been given to connections.  So timings have been altered to make a lot more connections (bus/rail particularly) a lot better.  This was a major failure with the earlier timetables and glad that some attempt has been made to improve that.
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2017, 04:28:28 PM »
https://translink.com.au/service-updates/143386

Reduced Sunday and public holiday train services - 17 Sept to 2 Oct

During the spring school holiday period, Queensland Rail will operate reduced train services on the following dates to help manage train crew fatigue:

    Sunday 17 September
    Sunday 24 September
    Sunday 1 October
    Monday 2 October (Queen's Birthday public holiday)

This reduced timetable is necessary to ensure that Queensland Rail is able to provide full services on weekdays and for major events, like Riverfire.

Please note: Weekday and Saturday timetables are not changing and will run as normal.

Service levels by line

Most lines will operate hourly services, except Airport (half hourly) and Sunshine Coast (every two hours).

These new timetables will be updated in the Journey Planner and the MyTransLink app so you can plan your journey, as normal.

If you prefer the traditional timetable format, we also have PDFs of each line in the timetables page.

Half hourly services

   Airport line

Hourly services

  Beenleigh line

  Caboolture line

  Cleveland line

  Ferny Grove line

  Gold Coast line

  Ipswich/Rosewood line

  Redcliffe Peninsula line

  Shorncliffe line

  Springfield line

Two hourly services

  Sunshine Coast line

Important information

    Sunshine Coast and Caboolture line services will run express between Northgate, Eagle Junction and Bowen Hills (both directions).
    Hourly services will stop all stations between Northgate and Bowen Hills (both directions).
    Some bus/train connections on the Sunshine Coast line may not align. Please check connection times before travelling.
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2017, 04:36:12 PM »
Checked Ippy timetable, back to clockface essentially. That is better.
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2017, 05:00:46 PM »
What is stopping them doing 2 tph airport to gold coast all stops.   

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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2017, 05:17:07 PM »
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Greetings,

Details of the Reduced Sunday and public holiday timetables 17 Sept to 2 Oct 2017 are now available at https://translink.com.au/service-updates/143386

A major issue with the previous reduced service timetables was that the timings were moved from the standard clock face times.  This meant that many connections were no longer made between buses and trains.  We made strong representations about this and it is pleasing that the Queensland Rail has now reverted back to clockface timings, albeit a reduced service timetable.

We thank Mr Nick Easy CEO Queensland Rail, Mr Nick King EGM Citytrain, and Queensland Rail staff for fixing this.

It is not good to have low frequency services, however we accept that at this time it is necessary due to the present train crew numbers.

We do look forward to the day that much more frequent services can be implemented on the SEQ rail network.
 
The Sunshine Coast needs a lot of ' love ' in the years to come.

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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2017, 05:18:39 PM »
What is stopping them doing 2 tph airport to gold coast all stops.

Simply don't have enough crew ... when factoring in the future events and crew demands.  Still a fine line.
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2017, 05:21:53 PM »
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2017, 05:51:54 PM »
The Sunshine Coast needs a lot of ' love ' in the years to come.

Dropping the sneaking "Upgrade the SCL" hints ;)

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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2017, 05:59:51 PM »
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What is stopping them doing 2 tph airport to gold coast all stops.   

Don't know. Speculate it is (a) contractual arrangements (might be sued for damages if they drop service?) and (b) people really really need to get to the Airport.
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2017, 07:18:12 PM »
I believe the only reason the Airport Line gets 2tph is for contractual reasons. If QR doesn't provide the service, they get fined.
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2017, 09:06:24 PM »
What is stopping them doing 2 tph airport to gold coast all stops.   

I think what tazzer9 is alluding to is dropping the Beenleigh line and running Gold Coast all stops to compensate?

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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2017, 11:12:01 PM »
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I think what tazzer9 is alluding to is dropping the Beenleigh line and running Gold Coast all stops to compensate?

Likely contracts and potential of being sued. If you make the train much slower by stopping all stations, it could damage Airtrain's reputation, break the contract (if express running is specified there), and scare off customers, creating grounds for suing.

The fact that Queensland Rail does not have enough staff is not Airtrain's problem. Airtrain is paying (probably with a little profit margin for QR as well) and so that appears to have taken priority.

Unlike the Queensland Government and QR, Airtrain appears to be able to enforce its contracts through the courts.
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2017, 02:05:22 AM »
I am pleased that timings have been reverted back to ~clockface.  All the reasons why they did it the first place (ie. move from clockface and hence break connections) are now no longer moot.  We kicked up a hell of a fuss about it - publicly and privately ( quite rightly too I might add ) and the new management at QR have responded thankfully.  This is a good outcome.  The fact that we still have reduced services is not of course.  But that is the reality for now.
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2017, 11:50:52 AM »
This (along with the restoration of only 2/333 axed services) shows that there is still a woeful lack of drivers. Very very concerning for Summer School Holidays, Easter, and Comm Games!

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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2017, 01:17:08 PM »
Couriermail Quest --> TransLink to cut Sunday services over Sept school holidays

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LOGAN train users will be affected when services on the Beenleigh line will be cut back to once an hour every Sunday during the upcoming September school holidays.

Queensland Rail will operate reduced train services on Sunday, September 17; Sunday, September 24; Sunday, October 1; and Monday, October 2, which is the Queen’s Birthday public holiday.

Services on those days will depart Bowen Hills station to Beenleigh station from 4.58am to 9.58pm. They will leave Beenleigh station for Central and Bowen Hills from 5.18am to 10.18pm.

Weekday and Saturday train timetables will not change over the holiday period.

There will be no changes to bus services.

Queensland Rail chief executive Nick Easy said the holiday timetable changes would ensure additional services for major events including Riverfire during the school holidays.

He said there would be extra rail services from Beenleigh to Riverfire, which marks its 20th anniversary this year.

“We have also listened to feedback from our customers following previous service changes and worked closely with TransLink to ensure the upcoming Sunday service changes are better integrated with the bus network,” Mr Easy said.

“We know that far fewer customers generally travel with us on Sundays, with fewer than 50,000 customers recorded travelling by train on a Sunday last September school holidays, compared to 180,000 on a Monday.

“These service changes will ensure we can provide a reliable service for South East Queenslanders travelling on the Citytrain network across the September school holidays, and deploy our train crewing resources where they’re needed most.

“These changes will also allow us to maintain half-hourly services on the Airport line, to assist customers travelling during the holidays, and provide more than 50 extra rail services to Riverfire to help passengers enjoy the night.”

The changes were lauded by Rail Back on Track founder Robert Dow who said a major issue with previous reduced service timetables moving schedules off standard clock face times.

“This meant many connections were no longer made between buses and trains,” Mr Dow said.

“We made strong representations about this and it is pleasing that the Queensland Rail has now reverted back to clock face timings, albeit a reduced service timetable.”

There will be free travel between 7.30pm and 9.30pm after the Riverfire fireworks on Saturday, September 30 on bus services departing the Cultural Centre, South Bank and Mater Hill busway along with train services from South Bank, South Brisbane and Roma Street stations.

There will be bus stop and road closures around the city, so public transport will be the easiest way to avoid the hassles of parking and road closures.

Normal CityCat services will resume from 7.45pm and on the CityHopper from 8pm.

TransLink will work with Queensland Rail, Brisbane Transport and Suncorp Stadium to prepare for a Broncos NRL finals game during the September school holidays.
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2017, 02:34:44 PM »
Have yet to hear any announcements on trains or at stations related to Spring School Holiday Rail Fail. Not good enough QR!

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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2017, 03:20:46 AM »
https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/908741348475379712

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/908741780278874112
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2017, 09:17:53 AM »
I'm seeing a lot of connections improved in one direction but shafted in the other...
eg: 524 good connection on the outbound yet 49min wait for train inbound...who is going to pay to sit at a station for 49 minutes??

Redcliffe line has been shafted the most....
694 good connection in then 37 on the out
685 24mins wait kallangur til inbound train
685 32 mins wait kallangur for outbound bus
690 43 mins wait for city train inbound (clontarf residents)
690 55mins wait for city train inbound(redcliffe/scarborough residents)
698 west 41 min wait kipparing for train to city(redcliffe residents)
698 west 39min wait at rothwell after train from city(rothwell residents)

there is literally no hope for the bus services along this line to try and gain any sort of half decent patronage.....

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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2017, 09:28:23 AM »
Thanks TB. Overall, it is better than what it was with the non clock face times.  There will always be issues though with the shambolic train frequency inflicted on the public.  Really is a shocking mess that just lingers on and on ...

From memory, acceptable connections go from around 40% to ~70% by reverting back to clock face.  Still not really acceptable though.

The 524 is set up for a quick beer at the Razzle Dazzle on the way home ...  :P
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2017, 01:05:35 PM »
https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/911422316856328192

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/911425967976964097
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2017, 04:40:29 PM »
A failing, politically compromised, public operator.  :lo

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I don't know why you need an inquiry? We know why this was botched. TMR and the board of QR were following the government of the day. Playing the blame game does nothing to solve the issues. Venting about it makes some feel good, but is unhelpful. So an inquiry will be a further waste of money.

^^ Has a point. We know why it happened - political dumb decisions that the operator had to follow because staff are public servants under political micro-directive and don't have push back. Like that dialog that comes up from time to time on a computer that has "YES TO ALL" as an option.

No space for guards - YES ✓
Buy DDA incompliant trains- YES ✓
Fire key staff because MPs said so - YES ✓
Override due process to put your fav into the CEO position of the organisation YES ✓
Instruct TransLink to renew the contract even if standards go through the floor - YES ✓
Sign restrictive EBAs because it is good for your mates/political donors - YES ✓

YES-YES-YES-TO-ALL ✓ ✓ ✓

Inquiry is needed, but will only confirm what we think - guard space and DDA was cut by Newman et al because it would reduce the "headline cost" and look good.
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2017, 04:44:38 PM »
^ you have demonstrated exactly why we need an inquiry #metro.

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It is not a blame game Peter, but determining why this project went off the rails. We can all guess and presume but it needs a proper and detailed examination to establish all circumstances in our opinion. Queensland Rail was actually sidelined. One of the reasons no doubt we have problems now.

Despite your and others perceptions Queensland Rail was sidelined.   An inquiry will detail just what went wrong and why.

Procedures and policy can then be put in place to stop this sort of botch ever happening again.   The NGR botch is going reverberate for years now with legacy issues, very high additional staff costs which will go against service increases.  A sad and terrible outcome.
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2017, 04:50:44 PM »
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Despite your and others perceptions Queensland Rail was sidelined.   An inquiry will detail just what went wrong and why.

Procedures and policy can then be put in place to stop this sort of botch ever happening again.   The NGR botch is going reverberate for years now with legacy issues, very high additional staff costs which will go against service increases.  A sad and terrible outcome.

Of course they were sidelined. If the government tells public servants to jump, they jump.

If a private operator is told to do something that would damage its business, I think  (happy to be corrected) there is a pathway to sue in the courts for damages due to contract.

Queensland Rail will never launch legal action against the gov't because it is the govt.
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2017, 12:51:45 PM »
https://twitter.com/DufMfsg/status/911778613489311744
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2017, 04:06:28 PM »
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24th September 2017

Call for fare-free rail Queen's Birthday weekend for SEQ

Greetings,

Next weekend marks the first anniversary of rail fail.  On the 30th September 2016 was the first of the massive rail service cancellations that was a harbinger of what was to come.  Next weekend, on Sunday 1st October and Monday 2nd October (Queen's Birthday holiday) the public will have a very poor rail service ( https://translink.com.au/service-updates/143386 ).  One hour service frequency on most lines, two hour frequency on the Sunshine Coast, 30 minutes on the Airport line. It seems an insult to be charging fares for this mediocre service frequency.

The public has put up with reduced service, cancellations and delays for nearly a year now.  How about some general compensation for those struggling passengers still on the network - how about fare-free rail this coming weekend?  It would be an acknowledgment that the public has suffered a lot in terms of extra incidental expenses such as taxi fares, extra childcare fees, lost wages and so forth, and might get some of the people who have long abandoned the network back on-board.

Only a suggestion.  There is no end in sight to rail fail. Some recognition of the ongoing train pain is warranted in my view. It might help a little to alleviate the rampant road congestion too.

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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2017, 04:11:44 PM »
https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/911835412347285510

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/911856618484015106
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2017, 02:17:28 AM »
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Re: Call for fare-free rail Queen's Birthday weekend for SEQ

Good Morning,

Riverfire is on this Saturday 30th September 2017.  There is free travel after the event on local buses and trains until 9.30pm ( https://translink.com.au/plan-your-journey/event-transport/8351 ).  The fundamental reason for the free travel is our ticketing system cannot cope safely with the surge crowds essentially.

Lets make it a weekend for all.  Free rail travel for the entire Queen's Birthday weekend for the reasons outlined below.
I am sure Her Majesty would approve!

The public has had a gutfull of rail fail and the associated spin and bluster we assure you.

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24th September 2017

Call for fare-free rail Queen's Birthday weekend for SEQ

Greetings,

Next weekend marks the first anniversary of rail fail.  On the 30th September 2016 was the first of the massive rail service cancellations that was a harbinger of what was to come.  Next weekend, on Sunday 1st October and Monday 2nd October (Queen's Birthday holiday) the public will have a very poor rail service ( https://translink.com.au/service-updates/143386 ).  One hour service frequency on most lines, two hour frequency on the Sunshine Coast, 30 minutes on the Airport line. It seems an insult to be charging fares for this mediocre service frequency.

The public has put up with reduced service, cancellations and delays for nearly a year now.  How about some general compensation for those struggling passengers still on the network - how about fare-free rail this coming weekend?  It would be an acknowledgment that the public has suffered a lot in terms of extra incidental expenses such as taxi fares, extra childcare fees, lost wages and so forth, and might get some of the people who have long abandoned the network back on-board.

Only a suggestion.  There is no end in sight to rail fail. Some recognition of the ongoing train pain is warranted in my view. It might help a little to alleviate the rampant road congestion too.

Best wishes
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2017, 02:26:07 AM »
https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/911990003550502912
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2017, 07:05:56 AM »
FFS
https://www.facebook.com/TransLinkQLD/posts/2118685571490830

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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2017, 07:18:18 AM »
FFS
https://www.facebook.com/TransLinkQLD/posts/2118685571490830

It is a shocker - pathetic mess overall indeed.
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2017, 07:23:00 AM »
https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/912064721502613504

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/912065285984628736
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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2017, 02:28:27 AM »
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26th September 2017

1st birthday of rail fail is nigh!

Good Morning,

As we head to the 1st Birthday of rail fail (30th September), yet another day of cancellations, delays and altered services, particularly out of peak ( see > https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=1862.msg198333#msg198333 ) yesterday.  As Queensland Rail do not report the daily out of peak performance they tend to escape close scrutiny for off peak failure. Out of peak disruptions mean missed connections, missed appointments, lateness as low frequency rail is connecting into low frequency bus service in the main.

Some of the service alterations PM 25th September 2017



Particularly disturbing yesterday morning was the cancellation of the 6.58am Central to Ipswich service due to a ' mechanical issue '.  This is an important counter-peak service and normally the frequency of  counter-peak service is a very poor 2 trains per hour.  This cancellation drops it back to one train per hour.  Passengers with critical time deadlines left stranded from Wacol to East Ipswich.  Not happy Jackie!

We believe it is essential that Queensland Rail report daily out of peak ontime running performance as is done for peak ontime running performance.  Only proper hey?  Only then will the operator be motivated to lift their game.

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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2017, 02:35:39 AM »
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2017, 02:46:15 AM »
https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/912357104064675840

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/912359511813267458
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2017, 12:27:57 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2017, 02:27:57 AM »
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Rail fail festers on ...

Good Morning,

Our call for free rail travel for the Queen's Birthday Weekend has gone unheeded (as expected).  Celebrating one year of rail fail is something the Government will try to bury hey?  Well you cannot bury it.  This weekend, on Sunday and the Monday holiday we will have the worst rail frequency of any suburban rail system in Oceania.  What a dismal outcome.  People forced off public transport  and onto dangerous congested roads.  Take a bow you clowns!  It was particularly galling that the Queensland Rail ELT pocketed cash bonuses whilst this rail fail was hatching.  Any reasonable attempt to compensate the struggling punter is summarily dismissed. 

The day of reckoning approaches > #qldvotes.

More rail fail yesterday, a sample below.  What is there to hide by not reporting daily off-peak ontime running?  Failure?

https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=1862.msg198388#msg198388



It is a very unreliable low frequency service these days. Compounded by the delays with the Not Going Right (NGR) trains, the aged Queensland Rail train  fleet struggles on with frequent ' mechanical issues '. Last year when I suggested in the media it would cost at least $100 Million to sort out the NGR trains I was laughed at.  Who is laughing now?  An exemption from the AHRC to run the NGR trains in a non DDA compliant condition is no lay down misere either in our opinion.

What then?

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Robert

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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2017, 08:24:33 AM »
Letter to the Editor Queensland Times 27th September 2017 page 13

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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2017, 08:26:58 AM »
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Re: September 2017 ' School holiday ' timetable
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2017, 02:45:45 AM »
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Please provide adequate rail services on the Sunshine Coast Line

Good Morning,

On the recent reduced ' School Holiday ' rail timetable ( https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=12917.0 ) the frequency of rail services on the Sunshine Coast Line was cut to 2 hourly!  This was appalling and acts as a serious disincentive for people to use public transport.  It makes journey times much longer and presents problems with on going connections be they bus or rail.  We know of one service that left Landsborough 2 minutes early leaving intending passengers stranded!  A long wait till the next service hey?

With the Palaszczuk Government Cabinet visiting the Sunshine Coast this week it is a good time to make a committment that in the future rail services will not be so savagely cut again on the Sunshine Coast Line.  The roads to and from the Sunshine Coast are dangerous and congested;  a gauntlet of rage, trauma and horror.  Why push more people onto roads?  We have rail assets it is time we used them properly.  Rail is a much safer transport mode than roads.  For holiday periods to tourist centres we should be increasing rail services not cutting them!

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