Queensland Rail - Commonwealth Games timetable

[#Metro]

The DB report is tabled.

[ozbob]

The DB report is tabled.

Could you please find the link
Am out and about at present
Thanks

[#Metro]

It is not up on the website yet.

However, there was other information from QR that showed up.

Timetable Stress Testing Pamphlet - QR
http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/documents/tableOffice/TabledPapers/2017/5517T964.pdf

[ozbob]

Thanks
Will hopefully go up later today / tomorrow

[ozbob]

ABC News --> Queensland Rail new train deficiencies delaying readiness for 2018 Commonwealth Games, report finds

Queensland's problem-plagued new trains still have "deficiencies" including door and braking issues and it is likely they will not be ready for the Commonwealth Games, according to a report into Queensland Rail (QR).

But Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said the report was overly pessimistic.

German rail operator Deutsche Bahn prepared the report looking at a whole-of-business review of QR's operations.

"At the time of interviewing, there were 140 deficiencies, including door control and brake control, that needed to be rectified in the NGR commissioning process," the report said.

The State Government is refusing to accept any more for the Next Generation Rolling Stock from a Bombardier-led consortium until problems can be fixed.

So far, 13 trains have been delivered but none are in operation.

The consultants said 18 NGR trains would be needed — but would not be ready — for the Games in April, and pressure on the older existing fleet to meet demand, as well as a lack of sufficient crews, meant there was a high risk of delays due to failures.

But Ms Palaszczuk told Parliament the number of faults had now been reduced to 41, and Transport Minister Jackie Trad said new trains would be running by the end of the year.

"This report tells us what the Strachan Inquiry already has: there are challenges in Queensland Rail and we need to continue taking steps to address them and that's exactly what we're doing," Ms Trad said.

"I'm confident that [new trains] will be on the network by the end of the year. I'm also confident that we will have the staff required. There are currently 85 drivers in training."

QR at risk of cyber attack

However Deutsche Bahn also identified tension between QR and the Transport Department about the NGRs.

"QR considers that they are being pressured to accept the trains whereas in TMR's view the QR engineers are being overly cautious," the report said.

"Although QR has engaged its own independent verifier, [we recommend they] consider jointly engaging a verifier acceptable to both Bombardier and QR to assist the parties in resolving the remaining deficiencies."

Other issues identified included the risk of cyber security attacks against QR, of which "ICT maturity is not considered to be up to the current standards of other railways".

"Significant work is required in order to bring QR up to world class standards, prior to progressing to a digital railway," the report said.

In relation to maintenance, "the consultants identified a lack of standardised line categorisation for the QR network".

The report also criticised "silos" in QR's working culture, "where divisions are primarily focused on the achievement of their own targets".

"This lack of alignment, combined with the failure to share information between divisions, is preventing QR from fully addressing the challenges faced by the organisation."

However there was praise from the consultants for QR accepting the need for change and "working hard to overcome the crisis".

There was a positive impression, the report said, for acceptable performance, clean and modern station and train appearance and active and helpful customer service.

But shadow transport minister Andrew Powell said Deutsche Bahn had "panned Labor's rail fail".

"DB says that 18 NGR trains are required to service the Commonwealth Games timetable — a timetable that commuters still haven't seen," Mr Powell said.

"But in their conservative view those 18 NGR trains will not be ready. So much for optimism.

"There are only 15 NGR trains in the state, and only five of them have done on track testing."

[ozbob]

Queensland Parliament Hansard

https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/documents/hansard/2017/2017_08_08_DAILY.pdf

QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

Commonwealth Games, Transport

Mr NICHOLLS (10.35 am): My first question is to the Premier. On radio last week the member
for Maryborough slammed the government's efforts in organising the Commonwealth Games, saying,
'We are going to have a transport debacle. We are struggling at the moment—
Honourable members interjected.
Mr SPEAKER: Members, the proceeding is that we need to listen to the questioner in silence or
I will take the appropriate action. I call the Leader of the Opposition.
Mr NICHOLLS: Thank you. My question is to the Premier. On radio last week the member for
Maryborough slammed the government's efforts in organising the Commonwealth Games saying, 'We
are going to have a transport debacle. We are struggling at the moment. There's no use lying to people.'
Mr Dick: You would know about struggling!
Mr SPEAKER: Thank you, members.
Mr NICHOLLS: Coming from the member for Woodridge, who had to struggle to find his
electorate, that really is saying something.
Mr SPEAKER: Member for Woodridge, you are warned under standing order 253A for that
interjection.
An honourable member interjected.
Mr SPEAKER: He is not about to visit the chooks yet, but he might later. Leader of the
Opposition, can you put the question?
Mr NICHOLLS: I am attempting to do that. Thank you for your statement of the rules. On radio
last week the member for Maryborough slammed the government's efforts in organising the
Commonwealth Games, saying, 'We are going to have a transport debacle. We are struggling at the
moment. There's no use lying to people.'
Why is a Labor backbencher on the Commonwealth Games committee entitled to know the truth
but not the rest of Queensland?
Ms PALASZCZUK: I thank the Leader of the Opposition for that question. As the Deputy Premier
was clearly saying, we are fixing the mess that was left by the former LNP government. Let us be very

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clear. Who signed the contract in 2014? The member for Clayfield and the member for Indooroopilly!
They are the people responsible for signing the contract to get the trains from India.
In future, under our procurement policy about putting Queenslanders first, these trains will be
made in Maryborough. That is where the trains will be made, in the seat of Maryborough, creating jobs
for Queenslanders not jobs for Indians.
Honourable members interjected.
Mr SPEAKER: Pause the clock. Thank you, members. We will wait. I call the Premier.
Ms PALASZCZUK: I want to see Queenslanders get those jobs. I want to see, where there is a
government contract for work in this state, that the first opportunity comes to Queenslanders. In
Maryborough they have the capacity and the capability to build those trains and in future that is where
they will be built. What we saw very clearly under the opposition when they were in government was
they signed the contract for half-price trains. That is what they did. They signed the contract for halfprice trains.
Opposition members interjected.
Mr SPEAKER: Pause the clock. Member for Glass House, I find your interjections designed to
disrupt the Premier in her answer to the question. You are warned under standing order 253A. If you
persist as well, Deputy Leader of the Opposition, you will get a similar warning. So will other members
if I can identify them. I will ask the Clerk to assist me in identifying members who are playing up. I call
the Premier. Do you have any further to add?
Ms PALASZCZUK: I do. The state has received a delivery of some of those trains. In order for
those trains to run safely on the network a number of issues have been identified. There are 41
outstanding issues. We want them fixed as quickly as possible so that we can put those trains on the
network and then we can receive the other trains that were contracted from India.
Our procurement policy is clearly about keeping jobs here in Queensland. I have never met a
stronger advocate for their local community than the member for Maryborough. He wants jobs in
Maryborough, which is a community that is hurting because of the savage cuts that were made under
the former government. We will stand up for jobs in this state. We have heard the attacks that have
come from New Zealand and Canberra, but we will always stand up for Queensland and put
Queenslanders first. That is what our policy is about and it is exactly what Bruce Saunders, as the
member for Maryborough, is clearly advocating, that is, to have the opportunity to tender for that work
in Maryborough—
(Time expired)
Mr SPEAKER: Before I ask the Leader of the Opposition for his second question, Minister for
Health and member for Glass House, you are both on a first warning under standing order 253A

=================

Commonwealth Games, Transport
Mr CRAMP: My question without notice is to the Premier. With a Labor MP calling a pending
transport debacle for the Commonwealth Games and the city brought to a standstill for more than eight
hours last Friday due to a tanker explosion and the minister responsible for the games missing in action
and claiming she was in meetings all of last Friday during the traffic chaos, I ask the Premier: is this
what she meant about being `quietly confident' of transport for the games coming together?
Mr SPEAKER: Who was the question to again?
Mr CRAMP: The Premier.
Mr SPEAKER: Can you repeat the last part of the question, please?
Mr CRAMP: I can repeat the whole lot if you like, Mr Speaker.
Mr SPEAKER: I think just the last part, thank you.
Mr CRAMP: Can the Premier advise: is this what she meant about being `quietly confident' of
transport for the games coming together?
Ms PALASZCZUK: I thank the member for—who is it?
Ms Trad: Gaven.
Ms PALASZCZUK: I thank the member for Gaven for the question. I know there is a great Labor
candidate for Gaven—very impressive, hardworking, out there working hard for the local community. I
am not quite sure how the member for Gaven's preselection is going.
Mr SPEAKER: Thank you, Premier. Can you come back to the question, please?
Ms PALASZCZUK: Has it happened? On a serious matter, of course it was brought to my
attention immediately when we heard that there was a serious problem on the M1. All three lanes of
the M1 southbound where the truck fire occurred at Loganholme reopened to traffic in the early hours
of Saturday morning. We know that was a huge issue. It is something that is not a common occurrence
on the M1. I do—
Honourable members interjected.
Ms PALASZCZUK: Not a truck fire of that scale—let's be serious—
Honourable members interjected.
Mr SPEAKER: Pause the clock.
Ms PALASZCZUK:—carrying hydrochloric acid. I want to thank the emergency response teams
that responded to that issue incredibly quickly. I also want to acknowledge that the tolls were waived
on the Logan Motorway to ensure that there was an alternative route for people to travel. That was a
very serious matter which is why so much attention was given. The last thing we wanted was for other
motorists to be compromised due to the fire that occurred on that stretch of the M1. It was a serious
incident. Minister Mark Ryan was with me when we were briefed by members of Queensland Fire and
Emergency Services. Once again, thank you very much to all of the staff who were involved in that.
As we know, my government has been fighting to get funding for M1 upgrades. There has been
complete and utter silence from those opposite; they have been like headless chooks. There has been
complete and utter silence when it comes to standing up to Malcolm Turnbull and saying, 'We need
funding for the M1 motorway.' This side of the House has been fighting for all residents between
Brisbane and the Gold Coast to get upgrades for the M1. If we look back to see how much those
opposite have said about it in this House and publically, I doubt that it would very much at all, if anything.
(Time expired)

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/895388064167505920

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/898213805490003968

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/898223182179516416

[ozbob]

Let the Games begin!  Only 211 days before we hear that ...   

[tazzer9]

I would seriously recommend halting the westlander and SOTO for the commonwealth games period.    Save a few drivers qualified on the suburban routes.   
How hard would it be to use the SX set , even if it was for peak hour shorncliffe - thornside. 

[Stillwater]

^^ The Valley Rattler, Gympie's steam train, will be back in action in December, in time for the Games.  Maybe we could send it down the Gold Coast Line to give the Games patrons a 'heading to Hogworts' experience.    

It is shaping up to be QR's equivalent of the evacuation of Dunkirk -- call out any bit of rolling stock to shift people between Brisbane and the Gold Coast during the Commonwealth Games.

We can't rely on the 'big destroyer' NGR trains to save us.

[BrizCommuter]

Let the Games begin!  Only 211 days before we hear that ...   

Quite how Neil Scales is surviving the current games I don't know!

[ozbob]

 

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> QR calls in Deloitte to help fix train problems ahead of Commonwealth Games


Rail advocate Robert Dow wants a guarantee of minimal service disruptions during the Games. Picture: Peter Cronin

ACCOUNTING giant Deloitte has been called in to help fix Queensland Rail's ongoing timetable nightmare just months out from the Commonwealth Games.

The State Government is yet to say how extra services will be delivered for the Games, which are expected to bring around 100,000 visitors to the Glitter Strip despite the fact train services are yet to return to normal following a driver shortage in October last year.

With TransLink unable to give a date the heavily delayed $4.4 billion New Generation Rollingstock will make it onto the tracks, concerns have been raised about how Queensland Rail will be able to service the showcase event next year.

Queensland Rail chief executive Nick Easy said engaging Deloitte was part of a commitment to carrying out the recommendations of the $2.5 million Strachan Commission of Inquiry.

"Queensland Rail engaged Deloitte to create a supply and demand model to inform timetable and workforce planning as part of our ongoing commitment to implementing the Strachan Commission of Inquiry recommendations," he said.

"This model has informed service delivery since its development, including the current planning work under way for the Commonwealth Games."

Queensland Rail yesterday refused to divulge how much taxpayers have been slugged by Deloitte since they were engaged in December, labelling it "commercial in confidence".

Rail advocate Robert Dow called on the State Government to guarantee service reductions on other lines during the Games be "absolutely minimal".

"We need to guarantee a reasonable service frequency to encourage people to use public transport otherwise the M1 is going to be locked up for two weeks," he said.

It comes as the LNP reacted angrily to an advertising campaign by the Government slamming them over their handling of the New Generation Rollingstock contract while they were in Government.

"The ad proves that Annastacia Palaszczuk will say and do anything to cling to power," Opposition transport spokesman Andrew Powell said.

"The Premier well knows that there was no Australian company bidding for the NGR contract when, through an independent tender process, the Department of Transport awarded the contract to Bombardier."

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

15th September 2017

2018 Commonwealth Games rail service concerns

Good Morning,

With the roll out of the NGR (Not Going Right a.k.a New Generation Rollingstock) trains still in doubt, there are concerns with respect to the aging train fleet, crew levels and service levels for all lines other than the Gold Coast <> Airport line for an acceptable level of service.  We do expect to see a good high frequency service on the Gold Coast / BNE line, but this will mean service reductions on all other lines with the present constraints.  These service reductions really do have to be at a minimum to encourage citizens to use public transport without excessive wait times.  Additionally bus / rail connections need to be preserved.

It is good to note that Queensland Rail is into advanced timetable planning for the games (see article below).

It might be prudent to prepare two timetables - with and without NGR trains!

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Couriermail --> QR calls in Deloitte to help fix train problems ahead of Commonwealth Games


Rail advocate Robert Dow wants a guarantee of minimal service disruptions during the Games. Picture: Peter Cronin

ACCOUNTING giant Deloitte has been called in to help fix Queensland Rail's ongoing timetable nightmare just months out from the Commonwealth Games.

The State Government is yet to say how extra services will be delivered for the Games, which are expected to bring around 100,000 visitors to the Glitter Strip despite the fact train services are yet to return to normal following a driver shortage in October last year.

With TransLink unable to give a date the heavily delayed $4.4 billion New Generation Rollingstock will make it onto the tracks, concerns have been raised about how Queensland Rail will be able to service the showcase event next year.

Queensland Rail chief executive Nick Easy said engaging Deloitte was part of a commitment to carrying out the recommendations of the $2.5 million Strachan Commission of Inquiry.

"Queensland Rail engaged Deloitte to create a supply and demand model to inform timetable and workforce planning as part of our ongoing commitment to implementing the Strachan Commission of Inquiry recommendations," he said.

"This model has informed service delivery since its development, including the current planning work under way for the Commonwealth Games."

Queensland Rail yesterday refused to divulge how much taxpayers have been slugged by Deloitte since they were engaged in December, labelling it "commercial in confidence".

Rail advocate Robert Dow called on the State Government to guarantee service reductions on other lines during the Games be "absolutely minimal".

"We need to guarantee a reasonable service frequency to encourage people to use public transport otherwise the M1 is going to be locked up for two weeks," he said.

It comes as the LNP reacted angrily to an advertising campaign by the Government slamming them over their handling of the New Generation Rollingstock contract while they were in Government.

"The ad proves that Annastacia Palaszczuk will say and do anything to cling to power," Opposition transport spokesman Andrew Powell said.

"The Premier well knows that there was no Australian company bidding for the NGR contract when, through an independent tender process, the Department of Transport awarded the contract to Bombardier."

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/908370603656200192

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/908375938299158528

[BrizCommuter]

Since when have Deloitte been train timetabling experts?

[SurfRail]

Deloitte will be doing passenger demand I assume, so they can work out which lines can be screwed more than others.

[Stillwater]

Perhaps there will be one token NGR train running down to the GC to honour political commitment.

[tazzer9]

Went out to rosewood today.  And saw every single train I could possibly see.  Lots of coalies, grain, cattle, all suburban types (excluding ICE).  NGR702 was even out on the track, but as I was going past wulkuraka, I think that 702 is the only NGR doing on track testing.  The brakes on the stored NGR's looked like they have rust on them. 

[ozbob]

Some letters I noted in today's Couriermail.

The public is not as silly as some in power think hey?

Letters Couriermail 15th September 2017 page 58

[Stillwater]

The general public is a wake-up to what's going on and no doubt will reflect on the situation as they file into the voting booth.  Oh, and Tim Nicholls, don't worry about any more petitions and publicity stunts around projects you won't commit to fund -- just sit back mate and observe the most accurate petition of them all.  It is called THE VOTE.

[#Metro]

Didn't we already have an inquiry into Queensland Rail, and a dedicated monitoring department (CRU)?

And Deutsche Bahn did a review. On top of the INDEC report that already looked at operations?

100 day PLAN?

Now they have to bring in a consultant to tell them how to run a railway. What was wrong with Deutsche Bahn??

Or maybe it is for damage control / public relations advice when the inevitable is revealed - massive cuts to services AGAIN.

STOP RENEWING THE CONTRACTS!! 

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Safety concerns after Queensland Rail plans changes to railway sleeper testing standards

SAFETY concerns surround a project to replace the state's ageing timber railway sleepers after Queensland Rail flagged plans to lower its test standards.

QR called for bids last year for an alternative composite sleeper product to replace more than 700,000 hardwood timber sleepers across the state's rail network.

Composite sleepers can outlast traditional timber sleepers by decades and match them in strength.

But safety concerns have been raised after an internal QR document, seen by The Courier-Mail, revealed the rail operator was preparing to reduce its testing requirements for the new sleepers.

The document said QR planned to reduce the "pullout load requirements for dogscrews" to 20kN, which was half the 40kN force prescribed in the Australian Standard for testing the strength of timber sleepers.

It has triggered industry concerns about the potential for railway track failures, should the reduced test standard open the door to a cheap, inferior replacement sleeper product.

The test relates to the holding power of the screw spike fixing the track rails to the sleepers.

QR had initially specified the sleeper replacements would need to meet the Australian Standard, requiring screws in the sleepers to not pull out, yield or crack under a test load of 40kN.

One engineer, who asked for his name to be withheld, said there was no compelling evidence to support the lowering of the standard and public safety was at risk.

QR chief executive officer Nick Easy said yesterday extensive investigations into the pull-out strength load performance of composite sleepers specific to QR's loading scenarios determined 20kN was adequate to meet safety requirements.

Concerns about testing standards is the latest in a series of criticisms about the beleaguered rail operator after a chronic driver shortage triggered the cancellation of hundreds of services.

A review of QR operations by German rail operator Deutsche Bahn in July revealed the train driver shortages and heavily delayed $4.4 billion New Generation Rollingstock project had put transport plans for next year's Commonwealth Games at risk.

The report also recommended overhauling QR's management of safety functions and warned of a "high risk of delays" due to ageing trains, kept running for the Games, breaking down.

[ArchieLuxury]

Rail advocate Paul Pluta predicts the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games will be a transport disaster.  Services on other lines will be cut to provide increased trains for the Gold Coast Games.  QR RAIL FAIL ain't seen anything like it .......

See the interview.
NO MORE SWEARING ON MY VIDEOS ABOUT QR RAIL FAIL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEo-84oV2Wk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEo-84oV2Wk

[ozbob]

^ There is no doubt there will be service reductions on lines other than the GC line Archie.

I think the reduced service September 2017 School Holiday Sunday timetable might be a good guide sadly ..

[BrizCommuter]

Predicted this mess 10 months ago. In fact, the reality is likely to be worse than expected.
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/will-qr-be-ready-for-commonwealth-games.html

[#Metro]

17 months or 7? Says 17 twice in the article.

[ozbob]

Commonwealth Games - which train lines will see services axed?
https://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2017/09/commonwealth-games-rail-fail-which.html

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/910739468310609920

[BrizCommuter]

17 months or 7? Says 17 twice in the article.

That article was from Nov 2016 
This is the latest:
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2017/09/commonwealth-games-rail-fail-which.html

[ozbob]

From Sunday Mail 15th October 2017 page 70

Traps with Peter Cameron

Election timing will be ahead of rail fail

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Trains to the Gold Coast 'every 10 minutes' during 2018 Commonwealth Games

Queensland Rail runs trains every 30 minutes on the Gold Coast line, so running trains every 10 minutes would represent a tripling of train services.

With 1.2 million ticket sales for the 10 days of competition, plus the opening and closing ceremonies, that means trains every 10 minutes would carry a major proportion of the 120,000 daily visitors.

Queensland Rail now runs 55 services from Brisbane to the Gold Coast per day and 60 return services from the Gold Coast at 30-minute intervals.

Ms Trad weathered a storm of questions from journalists on Friday about how many of the controversial new-generation trains would be ready in time to be included in the extra train services for the Gold Coast during the 2018 Commonwealth Games.

This followed the derailing of one new train near Wulkuraka on Thursday afternoon, widely reported delays in finding enough crews and issues with solving more than 400 design problems.

Queensland has received 15 of the 75 new trains it has ordered in the controversial $4.4 billion contract.

Only two of these new-generation trains will be fully tested and in "passenger mode" by Christmas.

Ms Trad estimates it could take until March 2018 before the state government can accurately predict how many new trains will join the mix of extra services during the Games.

"As I said, we have a number of months left to finalise testing and assessment and documentation around that.

"But, we might not know until March next year the total number of (NGR) trains."

Latest changes

The Queensland government has this week finished "doubling the track" between Coomera and Helensvale, a $163 million rail project that increases the capacity of the Gold Coast line.

This was the last remaining section of single-lane track on the Gold Coast line, which runs south to Varsity Lakes station.

The second stage of the Gold Coast's Light Rail project will begin in February 2018.

It connects to the main Gold Coast line at Helensvale and runs 7.3 kilometres to connect to the stage one of the light rail project, which runs from Southport to Broadbeach in the heart of the Commonwealth Games.

What experts say

Rail Back on Track spokesman Robert Dow said their rail group supported the plans for the Gold Coast to Brisbane line, but questioned the impact on the rest of the suburban network.

Mr Dow said Queensland Rail had the advantage of the Commonwealth Games being held in school holidays over Easter 2018, but said commuters on other lines, such as the Sunshine Coast, Beenleigh and Ipswich lines would notice reduced services.

"I think that September 2017 school holiday rail program is what they intend to run (around Brisbane) during the Games," he said.

"They will have a reduced timetable service, there is no doubt about that and they are trying to be coy about that because in the political climate no one wants to come out and say they are going to have a reduced service timetable on the lines other than the Gold Coast."

Queensland Rail and the Games transport team did not answer questions asked by Fairfax Media regarding other services.

Mr Dow said Queensland Rail has enough trains to provide the extra services, but questioned the impact of retirements and staff attrition on the 35 extra drivers they have trained.

"They've got enough trains. Do they have enough crew? That's a moot point."

How will it impact other train services?

There will be changes to some current public transport schedules, routes and facilities, the Games Transport Plan says.

"Changes will be necessary to accommodate Games operations, additional public transport
services and to cater for a significant increase in passenger volumes."

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/921423148767051776

[Stillwater]

It would be good to hear more about this from the Citytrain Response Unit (remember them?).  That high-powered, dynamic unit set up by Jackie Trad.  Aren't we due for another glossy brochure from them?

https://www.cru.qld.gov.au/resources/Fixing%20the%20Trains%20Progress%20Report%20-%20June%20Quarter%202017.pdf

[ozbob]

Couriermail 21st October 2017 page 25

No train numbers for Games

[ozbob]

 

[BrizCommuter]

Every 10 minutes? Doesn't fit in with the 15 minute cycle in the current timetables. Or is this really a 17/7.5/7.5min timetable as in the current peaks? Or will QR completely re-jig the timetables during the games (if it really is 10mins, I could see 30min off-peak on other lines).

Still no word on how counter-peak services will operate against peak services with the 3rd track limitations?

What happened to bi-di 8tph services originally touted for the Games? Did someone work out it was unachievable?

[ozbob]

We are not across the detail.  I think there will a different timetable (complete re-jig) for all lines for the Games.  We just have to wait and see.

[#Metro]

Every 10 minutes? Doesn't fit in with the 15 minute cycle in the current timetables. Or is this really a 17/7.5/7.5min timetable as in the current peaks? Or will QR completely re-jig the timetables during the games (if it really is 10mins, I could see 30min off-peak on other lines).

Still no word on how counter-peak services will operate against peak services with the 3rd track limitations?

What happened to bi-di 8tph services originally touted for the Games? Did someone work out it was unachievable?

[ozbob]

^ grouse +++++