POLL: How many days before NGR run revenue passenger services?

[ozbob]

NGR 701 was towed to Wulkuraka 19th February 2016


NGR 701 towed through Goodna 19 Feb 2016 on the way to Wulkuraka

Days since NGR 701 towed to Wulkuraka

How many days before a NGR train enters regular revenue service?

[Otto]

Thinking they may be retired before they even start ... LOL 

[ozbob]

Thinking they may be retired before they even start ... LOL 

Well in that case you could choose the last option > 711 days  as infinity >> 711 days ... 

[SurfRail]

Just shy of 2 years I'm going to say.  In time for the Commonwealth Games, but barely.

[verbatim9]

Thinking they may be retired before they even start ... LOL 

Well in that case you could choose the last option > 711 days  as infinity >> 711 days ... 

How about 911

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[#Metro]

I think they will have to sort it out within 500 days.

Am I being too optimistic?

Maybe this is why they hold up CRR too? No trains to run in the tunnels even if it were built??

[ozbob]

First run NGR on the mainline (at Karrabin) 14th September 2016 ...

Note initially low speed to test braking etc. Later in the day was moving a lot faster.
The NGR set has just left the workshops and joined the mainline before Karrabin.

[ozbob]

How many days before NGR enter regular revenue service?
We are running a poll .. 🧐
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— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) June 3, 2017

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How many days do you reckon @SmartState1 @katejonesqld ?
Let's hope will be before April 2018 hey? O_O#qldpol#NGRfail #railfail https://t.co/onWZWvFR61

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) June 3, 2017

[BrizCommuter]

Is there a prize for the closest guess? I'm going for first day of comm games.

[ozbob]

Is there a prize for the closest guess? I'm going for first day of comm games.

Of course!  A pint of Guinness at the Cecil pub Goodna 

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/872302348860784640

[ozbob]

Is there a prize for the closest guess? I'm going for first day of comm games.

That would be 776 days or if you prefer 67,046,400 seconds, or 1,117,440 minutes, or 18,624 hours,  or 110 weeks and 6 days 

[ozbob]

Time is running out for the < 500 days option ... 

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/876330083484524545

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https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/876330413362257920

[ozbob]

Have a go!

Is there a prize for the closest guess? I'm going for first day of comm games.

Of course!  A pint of Guinness at the Cecil pub Goodna 

[ When I have lunch at Irish Murphys at Ballarat on the 26th June, courtesy of a VLiner VLocity, I will have a pint and toast the NGRs ! 

NGR and VLocity are blood kin btw ...  ]

[achiruel]

Have a go!

Is there a prize for the closest guess? I'm going for first day of comm games.

Of course!  A pint of Guinness at the Cecil pub Goodna 

[ When I have lunch at Irish Murphys at Ballarat on the 26th June, courtesy of a VLiner VLocity, I will have a pint and toast the NGRs ! 

NGR and VLocity are blood kin btw ...  ]

Interesting how V/Line can get it so right, but DTMR can flap it up so badly from the same manufacturer.

[dancingmongoose]

Time is running out for the < 500 days option ... 

I voted < 500 cause I misread the question as being days from the poll not from arrival :conf my bad

[achiruel]

Time is running out for the < 500 days option ... 

I voted < 500 cause I misread the question as being days from the poll not from arrival :conf my bad

I believe you can remove your vote, although I'm unsure if you can vote again.

[ozbob]

Time is running out for the < 500 days option ... 

I voted < 500 cause I misread the question as being days from the poll not from arrival :conf my bad

If you want to be in the running for a pint of Guinness, just post your actual days in this thread.

[ozbob]

Time is running out for the < 500 days option ... 

I voted < 500 cause I misread the question as being days from the poll not from arrival :conf my bad

I believe you can remove your vote, although I'm unsure if you can vote again.

Yes you can remove your vote and vote again.  But only actual days posted in this tread will win a pint!   

Me?  525 days ..

[achiruel]

My vote is for 767 days.

[ozbob]

The less than 500 days option is rapidly disappearing!   

[ozbob]

NGR 701 was towed to Wulkuraka 19th February 2016


NGR 701 towed through Goodna 19 Feb 2016 on the way to Wulkuraka

Days since NGR 701 towed to Wulkuraka

How many days before a NGR train enters regular revenue service?

[ozbob]

The less than 500 days option is rapidly disappearing!   

Gone!   

[ozbob]

Time is running out for the < 500 days option ... 

I voted < 500 cause I misread the question as being days from the poll not from arrival :conf my bad

I believe you can remove your vote, although I'm unsure if you can vote again.

Yes you can remove your vote and vote again.  But only actual days posted in this tread will win a pint!   

Me?  525 days ..

In view of recent developments with #NGRfail I am changing!

725 days, if you are lucky !! 

[BrizCommuter]

Maybe Neil Scales can buy the pint for the winner? 

[ozbob]

 

I have just increased the poll time to 200 days.  It will be a rolling thing I expect ...

Presently voting closes: January 29, 2018, 07:30:30 AM   

[#Metro]

Alas, I had put in 500 days thinking that one whole year was enough time to fix the problem.

I have lost!!!

[ozbob]

Alas, I had put in 500 days thinking that one whole year was enough time to fix the problem.

I have lost!!!

It's ok #Metro.  Have another go!   

[#Metro]

It's ok #Metro.  Have another go!

No, I will be a fair loser. I lost fair and square.

This is becoming like a jellybean competition.

Will be interesting to see who comes the closest.

[ozbob]

OK, as you wish.  But as new details of the botch have only become available and confirmed lately, I think it is only fair to offer another go.

[ozbob]

[ozbob]

The days are rolling on by  > 711 is starting to look real !   

[ozbob]

Day 500 seemed so far ago hey?  Now day 577 ...   

[Otto]

My vote is looking more likely to be correct ! 

[ozbob]

We are now in the 591 <> 620 days band.

Today, 595 days ...

[Cazza]

I reckon the 651->680 option is gonna be on the money (partly because no one voted for it).

I think that the first train(s) (DDA non-compliant most likely) will be out before new year, with the other few slowly rolled out late 2017/early 18.

Very disappointing re. LNP planning. Governments should have nothing to do with transport and the associated fields. They (generally) have no clue what they have to do. Only experts should be planning this stuff THEN presenting it to the party in power.

[#Metro]

Very disappointing re. LNP planning. Governments should have nothing to do with transport and the associated fields. They (generally) have no clue what they have to do. Only experts should be planning this stuff THEN presenting it to the party in power.

The great paradox is that many people don't like politicians and acknowledge that they make bad decisions and will continue to do so
but want to give the gov't that they are administering even more power/control because they think gov't will act wisely and in the wider public interest.

The gov't has an interest in planning as funding is public and the areas and assets are also public domain. Experts are never going
to have their advice followed fully because MPs are elected. They are elected because they represent our fears, hopes, values and biases.
NOT because they are experts.

Experts have their own problems as well, such as not having "skin" in the game if what they suggest turns out to be not correct, and fads. Just think about the 1960's Wilbur Smith Plan suggested by "experts" that wanted to put massive freeway interchanges right through inner city Brisbane suburbs. Many cities worldwide were being told similar things by "Experts".

MPs also have a need to be re-elected and raise campaign finance support. Solving this problem is #1 priority, with whatever problem at hand coming in #2 place. I suspect this is why restrictive EBAs were signed, probably why the RPL was not isolated from the rest of the network when it became clear that there wasn't enough trains, why marginal seats get heaped with goodies, why LNP has gone cold on Cross River Rail (hint: Pauline Hanson et al. needed to form gov't) and so forth.

Can't force politicians to be perfect and always follow good advice (because votes), and I doubt that we could work without them, but incentives to behave badly can be reduced. Firstly by extending term lengths (done) and installing a Queensland Senate to act as a house of review. Thirdly, set up PTQ and separate QR from the Gov't by contracting it out competitively.

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

12th October 2017

Next Generation Rollingstock a.k.a. Not Going Right (NGR) trains - 600 days

Good Morning,

A NGR milestone of sorts:



And we are still waiting for an Exemption from the Australian Human Rights Commission to run the NGR trains in a non DDA compliant condition.

Unbelievable botch, and the bumblers are still there bumbling on hey?

These NGR trains are needed in service urgently, more ' mechanical issues ' with the Queensland Rail train fleet yesterday leading to  service cancellations and subsequent service alterations ( https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=1862.msg198941#msg198941 ).  An almost daily occurrence.

Will there be a cake out at Wulkuraka?

Best wishes,
Robert

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[ozbob]

Now in the 621 <> 650 band !

Days since NGR 701 towed to Wulkuraka