Brisbane Arena (Live) Concept

[SteelPan]

Fantastic.  The transit centre is a complete embarrassment.

Yes well-past its use-by date. Lets all hope that whatever replaces it, is built with metro, interurban and long-distant services in mind.

Lots of quality seating, thinking LAX [rail] in the US there....sitting in its pre-departure area, built in the grand days of rail.....and in a way they ARE coming back! In other words, don't do the fixture and fittings for Brisbane's #1 transport hub cheap!   

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Roma Street Transit Centre to be demolished in 2020 for new entertainment venue

The run-down Brisbane Transit Centre on Roma Street will be demolished to make way for Cross River Rail's new underground station and a new live entertainment venue.

Roma Street bus and train stations will remain open and accessible during the five-year construction period, set to begin in 2020, according to Deputy Premier and Treasurer Jackie Trad.

Ms Trad said the $5.4 billion Cross River Rail project would transform the western gateway into the heart of the River City and allow for the construction of the proposed Brisbane Live development.

"The Brisbane Transit Centre is well past its prime, but by 2025 this end of the city will be totally transformed," she said.

"When complete the new station is expected to be used by more than 230,000 commuters every week, the equivalent of over four capacity crowds at Suncorp Stadium.

"Early works will start in 2019, with the Brisbane Transit Centre and Hotel Jen to be demolished in late 2020.

"Planning for Brisbane Live is well under way with representatives from AEG Worldwide visiting Brisbane from their Los Angeles base this week to meet with the local power brokers pulling the Brisbane Live business case together.

"Leading consultancy firm Deloitte has also recently been appointed to the project along with one of the world's leading sport and architecture firms, Populous."

Ms Trad added that the development was based on a similar precinct in the United States and the $700 million investment in Cross River Rail as part of the state budget was key.

"With an 18,000 seat world-class arena as its centrepiece, the Roma Street precinct, just like the LA Live complex, will become Queensland's premier entertainment venue hosting major live concerts and world-class sporting events right in heart of the city," she said.

"Without Cross River Rail, this type of urban renewal simply wouldn't be possible, which is why the Palaszczuk government has stepped up to fund this transformational piece of infrastructure.

"This is a project that will transform the south-east by creating a turn-up-and-go transport system for the whole of south-east Queensland – taking thousands of cars off our roads and getting people home and to work faster."

LNP deputy leader Tim Mander said he supported the project but was disappointed by the delay in getting construction underway.

"Labor has been talking about this project for over two years and nothing has materialised," he said.

"The LNP promised to streamline this project, but it hasn't got off the ground under Labor.

"It's no wonder private-sector investment in Queensland has fallen off a cliff – by $76 billion since Annastacia Palaszczuk became Premier.

"Further delays hurt business confidence and costs jobs."

[ozbob]

http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2018/6/17/brisbanes-ugly-duckling-to-be-demolished-for-new-underground-station

Media Statements
Deputy Premier, Treasurer and Minister for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Partnerships
The Honourable Jackie Trad

Sunday, June 17, 2018

Brisbane's ugly duckling to be demolished for new underground station

The building often cited as one of Brisbane's ugliest – the Brisbane Transit Centre – will be demolished to make way for Cross River Rail's new underground Roma Street Station.

Deputy Premier & Treasurer Jackie Trad today said the $5.4 billion Cross River Rail project would transform the western gateway to the City and deliver the proposed 'Brisbane Live' development.

"Roma Street Station is a key link between the city centre, Roma Street Parklands, Spring Hill's schools, Caxton Street, the Petrie Barracks, Suncorp Stadium, and the cultural precinct at South Bank," Ms Trad said.

"When complete the new station is expected to be used by more than 230,000 commuters every week, the equivalent of over four capacity crowds at Suncorp Stadium.

"However, the Brisbane Transit Centre is well past its prime, but by 2025 this end of the City will be totally transformed.

"Early works will start in 2019, with the Brisbane Transit Centre and Hotel Jen to be demolished in late-2020.

"Planning for Brisbane Live is well underway with representatives from AEG Worldwide visiting Brisbane from their Los Angeles base this week to meet with the local powerbrokers pulling the Brisbane Live business case together.

"Leading consultancy firm Deloitte have also recently been appointed to the project along with one of the world's leading sport and architecture firms, Populous.

"Populous are well known in Brisbane, having designed the multi-award winning Suncorp Stadium and international venues including the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

"With an 18,000 seat world-class arena as its centrepiece, the Roma Street precinct, just like the LA Live complex, will become Queensland's premier entertainment venue hosting major live concerts and world class sporting events right in heart of the city.

"I'm proud that in the Budget I handed down this week we invested more than $700 million over the coming year to build Cross River Rail.

"Without Cross River Rail, this type of urban renewal simply wouldn't be possible, which is why the Palaszczuk Government has stepped up to fund this transformational piece of infrastructure."

"This is a project that will transform the south-east by creating a turn-up-and-go transport system for the whole of South-East Queensland – taking thousands of cars off our roads and getting people home and to work faster.

"Without it, we won't be able to build the future vital connections to our SEQ region."

ENDS

[BrizCommuter]

Roma St Transit centre is so dystopian that I think I'm in an episode of the Hand Maid's Tale whenever I walk through it.

[Stillwater]

So AEG Worldwide has just been given the airspace above Roma St Station?  It has value.  It has not been sold?  Will AEG make a contribution to the cost of CRR in exchange for the concession to build a money-making venture on a prime piece of real estate?  Or has Queensland Labor gone Bjelke-Petersen style - getting into bed with the big end of town?

[matlock]

So AEG Worldwide has just been given the airspace above Roma St Station?  It has value.  It has not been sold?  Will AEG make a contribution to the cost of CRR in exchange for the concession to build a money-making venture on a prime piece of real estate?  Or has Queensland Labor gone Bjelke-Petersen style - getting into bed with the big end of town?

Where does it say they were given the air rights? Only thing I could see is that the Govt are in discussions with AEG.

I think it's entirely reasonable for the Government to make concessions to incentivise these kind of TODs. There need to be more of them to encourage people to move into denser, inner-city apartments close to transit hubs. At the end of the day, the Government would save more money than it would concede to developers by encouraging these sorts of developments since denser living makes providing adequate health, education and utilities services cheaper.

[Gazman]

So AEG Worldwide has just been given the airspace above Roma St Station?  It has value.  It has not been sold?  Will AEG make a contribution to the cost of CRR in exchange for the concession to build a money-making venture on a prime piece of real estate?  Or has Queensland Labor gone Bjelke-Petersen style - getting into bed with the big end of town?

Where does it say they were given the air rights? Only thing I could see is that the Govt are in discussions with AEG.

I think it's entirely reasonable for the Government to make concessions to incentivise these kind of TODs. There need to be more of them to encourage people to move into denser, inner-city apartments close to transit hubs. At the end of the day, the Government would save more money than it would concede to developers by encouraging these sorts of developments since denser living makes providing adequate health, education and utilities services cheaper.

I personally don't have a problem even if the airspace rights are given or at least given cheaply. The reality is that we aren't likely to get such a facility without concessions such as that. I guess that's a trade off of not having to have the government directly contribute any (significant) money to the project.

[SteelPan]

So AEG Worldwide has just been given the airspace above Roma St Station?  It has value.  It has not been sold?  Will AEG make a contribution to the cost of CRR in exchange for the concession to build a money-making venture on a prime piece of real estate?  Or has Queensland Labor gone Bjelke-Petersen style - getting into bed with the big end of town?

More likely they get "free rent" as it were for the first decade or so....you HAVE to dangle a big carrot to get someone to commit to something on this scale, the pay-back of course, is the city gets the facility AND not forgetting all the jobs during construction and operation it will offer and it will also help make the overall New Transit Project vastly more attractive.

[BrizCommuter]

I hope the design allows for the addition of the LNP's Hyperloop station 

[aldonius]

No hyperloop, but it would be nice to see a "we left this space open for HSR".

[verbatim9]

Just a quick word on covering Roma street station in the future. Unless there provision of powerful exhaust stacks for the current idling diesel locomotive fleet at a covered Roma St station or an all regional electric hauled fleet it will be an OHAS disaster in there.

[verbatim9]

Just a quick word on covering Roma street station in the future. Unless there provision of powerful exhaust stacks for the current idling diesel locomotive fleet at a covered Roma St station or an all regional electric hauled fleet it will be an OHAS disaster in there.

Maybe they will upgrade all the platforms with roof to floor glass screens as well as exhaust venting for non electric hauled trains.

[verbatim9]

Just regarding the purple render / artists impressions. Must be a Spring render with the amount of Jacaranda Trees in that pic.

[SurfRail]

Just a quick word on covering Roma street station in the future. Unless there provision of powerful exhaust stacks for the current idling diesel locomotive fleet at a covered Roma St station or an all regional electric hauled fleet it will be an OHAS disaster in there.

There are currently only 56 long distance services a week (including the XPT) spaced out as follows:

- Monday - 8 trains (4 are diesel)
- Tuesday - 11 trains (7 are diesel)
- Wednesday - 5 trains (3 are diesel)
- Thursday - 9 trains (5 are diesel)
- Friday - 9 trains (5 are diesel)
- Saturday - 9 trains (6 are diesel)
- Sunday - 5 trains (2 are diesel)

Only 32 diesel passenger trains a week.  If you exclude the Westlander (on the basis it should be scrapped now to begin with), it drops to 28 diesel passenger trains a week, and half of these remaining movements are the daily XPT arriving and departing in service off the same platform (so in reality it is more like 7 than 14).  I can't see terribly much more growth here unless they buy another Spirit of Queensland set or 2 and get it running daily.

I don't know if you've been to Southern Cross recently, but they have a LOT more diesels and they manage with a covered roof over at-grade tracks - not terribly well, but they have diesel trains on the go constantly while we don't.

[SteelPan]

Suggestion - include sinking [build-over] Roma St/Milton - that old Upper Roma St road/bridge to the top Milton Rd is well past its use-by date - I think as far back as the Lang Park rebuild someone, I think it may have been the late Terry Mackenroth was keen to redo that entrance to the city.

Factors influencing.....

Close proximity
Roma St/Milton booming inner-city region
Now's the time to free up space and get the rail "underground"
Seemless people flow between Roma St and Suncorp Stadium
Likely MASSIVE relocation and redevelopment potential before too long of XXXX Brewery wanting a 21stC location and brewery structure...opening up a very large land footprint for re-urbanisation.

[SurfRail]

^ Sadly I don't think there is much appetite in goverment or commercially to do much about the situation around the junction itself - there were past visions about extending the Roma St parklands basically on top of the yards a la (a greener version of) Federation Square.  The main effort seems to be how Roma St interfaces with the CBD itself rather than how the CBD interfaces with Milton, Red Hill etc.

[SteelPan]

I don't think there's any appetite in the current Qld Govt for much of anything....except a lot of "work to commence in 2020" announcements.....   

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> How the 17,000-seat Brisbane Live arena proposal came to life

The idea to build a 17,000-seat entertainment precinct over Roma Street station began in 2007, but the project's proponents needed a major piece of good fortune to get it off the ground.

AEG Ogden manages Suncorp Stadium, the Brisbane Convention and Exhibition Centre and the Brisbane Entertainment Centre and is the driving force behind the entertainment precinct – called Brisbane Live – which is now part of Cross River Rail.

This week, AEG Ogden chairman and chief executive Harvey Lister told a Property Council of Australia lunch audience the arena would not have got off the ground if it wasn't for the $5.4 billion underground rail initiative.

"We started the journey that's become Brisbane Live in 2007 ... we found a difficulty, we had to find a way into government," Mr Lister said.

"We started the journey before Cross River Rail was even confirmed and I say unashamedly that if we hadn't kept pushing that Brisbane Live wouldn't have got up, but it certainly wouldn't have gotten up if Cross River Rail didn't happen."

Mr Lister said AEG Ogden had to try and get the government on board through a market-led proposal.

"For me, market-led proposals are where all good ideas were sent to die and hopefully go away," he said.

"We weren't going to stand for that. Government and Treasury challenged us and said 'well you'll need to go out there and do the work'. You would have to fund everything.

"Nevertheless we said we would and then I think government realised by doing Cross River Rail that the rail corridor itself was 35 metres or something below the ground and the opportunity of what would you do above ground.

"Just before the last election government effectively novated our project out of market-led proposal and it became part of Cross River Rail."

Now Building Queensland is leading the development of a detailed business case for AEG Ogden's Brisbane Live Proposal, with the Cross River Rail Delivery Authority.

Mr Lister said the city was ready for the Brisbane Live development.

"I've been in this business for 45 years now and I think people have been telling me for about 40 of them Bob Hope and Frank Sinatra have passed away and the business is all going to crash and there will be nobody to tour," he said.

"In the last 10 years, I've been having people telling me, well everybody can just watch things in their home and that business isn't going to work either.

"Of course they've been proven spectacularly wrong because right across the world artists are out there touring and now the revenue from live touring is much greater than it is for recorded or streamed music.

"We have a situation now where we're all human beings and yet we can all just stay in our homes. There's actually no incentive for us to leave at all. We are connected to the world. We can see everything that happens.

"I say to the young people in my organisation the challenge for us is now to give people an experience they can't get in their loungeroom and that's the difference.

"Those that are coming, they're not coming for a concert event, they're actually coming for an experience."

Mr Lister said he was very confident the plans would progress to a business case between now and the end of 2018.

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> $2.1 billion Brisbane Live project stuck in decision limbo

It was billed as a gamechanger that would transform a slice of Brisbane's CBD into an entertainment magnet and attract the best in the world, but the $2.1 billion project has been left in for the past nine months. But it's not the only one.

THE massive $2.1 billion Brisbane Live project billed as transforming a huge section of the CBD has been sitting with the State Government waiting for a decision for more than nine months.

Brisbane Live is one of four major projects where the business cases are done and are awaiting a decision, the Government's own infrastructure body has revealed in a report released on Wednesday.

The other projects are the $247 million congestion-busting Centenary Bridge upgrade, the $90 million-$100 million Lake Macdonald Dam improvement and the $70 million south-west pipeline bulk-water connection to Beaudesert.

Building Queensland's Infrastructure Pipeline Report says Brisbane Live would be part of the Cross River Rail station at Roma St and revitalise an "under-utilised section of the Brisbane CBD", and offering a world-class entertainment precinct.

A State Government spokesman said the Brisbane Live business case was provided to government on November 6 last year.

"The government will consider the Brisbane Live budget case in due course, with any consideration accounting for potential private investment to support the project," he said.

It is expected to include a 18,000 seat arena built over the railway between Albert and Roma streets.

LNP Shadow Infrastructure Minister Andrew Powell said the report proved that goverment delays were bogging down desperately needed projects.

"Building Queensland's latest infrastructure report shows that the $2.1 billion Brisbane Live project has all but fallen over," Mr Powell said.

"Whether it was infrastructure for schools, dams or rail lines, projects across the board have been delayed, postponed or canned altogether."

State Development Minister Cameron Dick said the 2019 Infrastructure Pipeline Report demonstrated the significant progress made towards the state's infrastructure needs and creating more jobs.

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> AEG Ogden boss Harvey Lister says time is now to start Brisbane Live precinct

The man behind a proposed 18,000 arena in the heart of the CBD fears the project is under threat because of a political reluctance to back Brisbane projects.

THE visionary behind the Brisbane Live arena concept has revealed his frustration with the Palaszczuk Government's lack of progress on the transformational project, warning they should "just get on with it".

Harvey Lister, who chairs Brisbane-based events management behemoth AEG Ogden, said he feared the 18,000-seat arena was under threat because it was trapped between a bureaucratic quagmire and a political reluctance to back Brisbane projects.

Mr Lister told The Courier-Mail his company was willing to pay the $1 million needed to kickstart market testing of the arena proposal.

He has also offered to personally brief State Cabinet, as he did under the Goss government when the Brisbane Convention Centre was first proposed.

"I am frustrated because I know it is the right thing," he said.

"My message is 'just get on with it'.

"In my 44 years of business in this city, I have never seen a project that has had this level of positive public, government and industry support ever.

"Now we need to find a way to do it and that's why we need an 'Action Jackson'."

The Brisbane Live precinct, which Mr Lister has been working on since 2007, would sit above the railyards at Roma Street station, which is being rebuilt as part of Cross River Rail.

The multipurpose venue would likely replace the Boondall Entertainment Centre with an inner-city arena for sporting events and concerts with seamless connections to Cross River Rail and Brisbane City Council's Brisbane Metro.

A business case that came up with a $2.1 billion price tag was completed last November but the project has not progressed since.

Mr Lister said he didn't know whether the $2.1 billion figure included plans for various facilities in the precinct but was "very confident" Brisbane Live could be built for significantly less.

"The arena we have just opened in Dubai, for example, in US dollars is less than $400 million," he said.

Mr Lister said his offer of $1 million for market testing was on top of the $2 million spent on experts.

His company was also asked to pay for the $5 million business case after it was announced should the project proceed.

"I am going to write to the Premier and offer to come to Cabinet and fight for this because this is what the capital city of our state needs," he said.

Mr Lister said it was fast approaching a time when a decision was needed so Brisbane Live could be built in concert with Cross River Rail, which is due to be completed by 2024.

"If the Brisbane Live precinct isn't built in the same period, if it was to be done retrospectively, not only would it extend interruption, it could cost another $150 million more by just not making a decision," he said.

Mr Lister said he feared political concerns about regional Queensland could be hampering the project.

"I think that would be a huge shame if that was the case," he said.

"These are the kind of things that happen in capital cities and I know the Premier's vision.

"And with the Olympics bid, this is an opportunity for Brisbane to become a world-class city."

Mr Lister was backed by Brisbane Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner who said the Palaszczuk Government needed to "just get out of the way".

"This is someone who wants to invest, a firm that is doing work in other parts of the world to build these kinds of facilities," he said.

"Yet he is having trouble getting something up in his own home town that would hugely benefit not just Brisbane but all of Queensland."

Cross River Rail Minister Kate Jones, who was sworn into the role yesterday after responsibility for the $7 billion project was taken from Deputy Premier

Jackie Trad, said hearing Mr Lister's concerns first-hand would be a priority.

"I understand what a transformative project this would be for the Brisbane CBD," she said.

"As the new minister I have already committed to meet with Harvey to discuss

the proposal."

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1175064410827575296

[Stillwater]

Won't the Brisbane Live arena be required as a venue for the proposed Brisbane Olympic Games?  If the government fears a political backlash from the bush against largesse going to SEQ, why are we bidding for the Games?  The Games will require lots of transport infrastructure improvements across the South-East, especially rail.  Billions.  If the government wants to balance out the investment imbalance perception, maybe it should throw a few more dollars at the NCL up north, which would benefit freight movements especially (and the state economy).

[verbatim9]

Couriermail.com.au---> State Government clears final hurdle in plan for Brisbane Live precinct

Two rival bidders will vie for the right to build a new 17,000 seat entertainment arena in the heart of Brisbane after the State Government cleared the final hurdle for the project.

BRISBANE will get a world class 17,000 seat entertainment stadium in the heart of the city.

The State Government has cleared the final hurdle for the project as part of its pitch for a 2032 Olympics.

Two rival bidders will vie for the right to build the new stadium, expected to be completed by 2024.

Concerns about initial costs have been allayed with the project frontrunner, AEG-Ogden, assuring the government it can deliver the entertainment centre – known as Brisbane Live – for significantly less than the original cost estimate of $2 billion.

The Roma Street railyards remains the preferred site, although other locations will come into the mix if the cost blows out.

It's understood Harvey Lister's AEG-Ogden and promoter Live Nation will go head to head for the right to construct and manage the centre.

It is expected the government will complete the market sounding process by mid-2020 and formal expressions of interest would then be called before a final decision was made by this time next year.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk will today announce a precincts delivery strategy to transform inner city Brisbane through the Cross River Rail project.

"We know that by unlocking under-utilised land in the heart of the city like Roma Street, we can leverage significant private sector investment and create jobs,'' she said.

"Brisbane Live has the potential to deliver 450 jobs per year during construction with 1000 jobs in the peak year and 600 jobs ongoing once it is operational.

"Everyone wants to see a new, world class arena in the heart of Brisbane and through this strategy, the Cross River Rail Delivery Authority will now launch market sounding to attract the best concepts from the private sector.

"Roma Street was one of seven sites that was investigated as a potential location through the detailed business case development.''

Cross River Rail and Tourism Minister Kate Jones said the strategy would provide five new high capacity stations at Boggo Road, Woolloongabba, Albert Street, Roma Street and the Exhibition precinct.

She said the strategy would see up to 22 hectares of prime real estate in the heart of Brisbane revitalised.

Cross River Rail would generate up to $20 billion worth of new economic development and 35,000 extra jobs.

"Brisbane Live, a new world class arena, is a great example of the new assets Brisbane could begin through this precinct strategy,'' she said.

"Globally, we know these types of venues next to a new underground high capacity train station with connections to other transport nodes reinvigorate the entire area.''

Under the strategy, other sites include:

– the Exhibition precinct, which will accelerate the area's urban renewal, creating health, housing and recreation;

– Roma Street station precinct, which will become the western gateway to the city's premier cultural and entertainment offerings;

– Albert Street station precinct which will be the stimulus for a city heart transformation;

– Woolloongabba station precinct will become a vibrant centre for community, sport and health;

– Boggo Road station precinct will develop further into a world class innovation precinct, specialising in research, health, science and education jobs.

Cross River Rail Exhibition Station new details revealed

The area around the new Cross River Rail Exhibition Station will be transformed in to Brisbane's northern lifestyle hub.
Mr Lister has been negotiating with the Palaszczuk Government since 2015 to replace the Boondall entertainment precinct – which is 30 minutes outside the CBD – with an inner city site.

"I'm confident the Cross River Rail Delivery Authority will find enormous interest from development companies and banks in providing funding towards this project that the city needs, whether or not it hosts the Olympic Games," he said yesterday.

"ASM Global looks forward to working with the Government to make the Brisbane Live arena and entertainment precinct become a reality".

AEG-Ogden are the world's largest entertainment centre operators, being responsible for the management of 300 arenas, stadiums, convention and exhibition centres, from Aberdeen to Anchorage and Sydney to Stockholm.

AEG-Ogden employs 61,000 people.

[ozbob]

http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2019/12/14/brisbane-live-goes-to-market-as-precincts-strategy-is-released

Media Statements
Minister for Innovation and Tourism Industry Development and Minister for Cross River Rail
The Honourable Kate Jones

Saturday, December 14, 2019

Brisbane Live goes to market as precincts strategy is released

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has today announced the state government will start market sounding for a new Brisbane Live arena in the heart of the city.

Today's announcement came as the Premier also announced public consultation will start on the Precincts Delivery Strategy to transform the city through the $5.4 billion Cross River Rail project.

"We know that by unlocking under-utilised land in the heart of the city like Roma Street, we can leverage significant private sector investment and create jobs," the Premier said.

"Brisbane Live has the potential to deliver 450 jobs per year during construction, with 1000 jobs in the peak year and 600 ongoing jobs once operational.

"Everyone wants to see a new, world-class arena in the heart of Brisbane and through this strategy, the Cross River Rail Delivery Authority will now launch market sounding to attract the best concepts from the private sector.

"Roma Street is one of seven sites that was investigated as a potential location through the detailed business case development .

Ms Jones said the Cross River Rail Delivery Strategy would provide development opportunities at the five new high-capacity stations at Boggo Road, Woolloongabba, Albert Street, Roma Street, and Exhibition.

"The Delivery Strategy we're announcing today will see up to 22 hectares of prime real estate in the heart of Brisbane revitalised," she said.

"Expert analysis shows the Cross River Rail Precincts could help generate up to $20 billion worth of new economic development and around 35,000 new jobs.

"Brisbane Live, a new world class arena is a great example of the new assets Brisbane could gain through this precinct strategy. Globally we know these types of venues next to a new underground high-capacity train station with connections to other public transport modes re-invigorate the entire area.

"The new Cross River Rail stations will connect people, communities and businesses providing opportunities for a wave of economic growth, development and investment, boosting our economy and creating jobs," Ms Jones said.

In addition to a significant revitalisation of the Roma Street area, Cross River Rail's Precinct Development Strategy will also deliver a new Exhibition station at the RNA Showgrounds, providing year-round rail services for both the Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital and the growing RNA Showground Lifestyle precinct.

The strategy announced today includes different themes for each of the five precincts:

Exhibition station precinct will accelerate the area's urban renewal creating a connected health, housing, and recreation hub.

Roma Street station precinct will become the western gateway to the City's premier cultural and entertainment offerings.

Albert Street station precinct will be the stimulus for a city heart transformation

Woolloongabba station precinct will become a vibrant centre for community, sport, and health

Boggo Road station precinct will develop further into a world-class innovation precinct, specialising in research, health, science and education jobs of the future

ENDS 

[verbatim9]

More Public Consultation along with the Brisbane Live Proposal

Brisbane's LIVE Arena is a step closer to reality with the Government now calling for private sector investment. The world-class facility would be instrumental if Brisbane is to be successful in its Olympics bid. https://t.co/VZ3A1cpmr5 #7NEWS https://t.co/yw6c5WdXBJ


https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/1205763517665558528

[verbatim9]

^^What needs to be completed with this project is the cycling bridge from the Law courts over Roma Street to connect with Parkland Boulevard and then onto the Normanby Bikeway. This has been incomplete for many years. it's a missing link to the promised cycling infrastructure when the Kurilpa bridge was completed.

[#Metro]

How many stadiums does Brisbane need?

QEII
Suncorp
The Gabba
Ballymore
Boondall

+ Brisbane Live
+ Whatever Olympics stadium (Albion?)

[verbatim9]

^^What needs to be completed with this project is the cycling bridge from the Law courts over Roma Street to connect with Parkland Boulevard and then onto the Normanby Bikeway. This has been incomplete for many years. it's a missing link to the promised cycling infrastructure when the Kurilpa bridge was completed.

t's been pointed out to me that a Green Bridge will be built over Roma Street. Let's hope it comes into fruition.

[STB]

How many stadiums does Brisbane need?

QEII
Suncorp
The Gabba
Ballymore
Boondall

+ Brisbane Live
+ Whatever Olympics stadium (Albion?)

As has been pointed out to you some time ago - Boondall isn't suitable for the long term given it's out in the burbs and has limited capacity.  The proposed Brisbane Live project is meant to replace Boondall and ensure that it's more central to the city, transport and restaurants as all modern entertainment precients should be.

Frankly the current location of Boondall sucks beyond belief - makes me think that ol Sir Joh hated entertainment and young people (and tourists) and wanted it pushed out as far as possible from the city on the cheapest land possible.

[Cleveland Line]

How many stadiums does Brisbane need?

QEII
Suncorp
The Gabba
Ballymore
Boondall

+ Brisbane Live
+ Whatever Olympics stadium (Albion?)

Not sure what your point is.

Brisbane Live is essentially to replace Boondall. It is an indoor entertainment venue, which none of the others are.

QSAC and Ballymore do not even really qualify as 'stadiums' by any modern standard. And even the Gabba's status as a stadium for modern standards is challenged now.

[timh]

How many stadiums does Brisbane need?

QEII
Suncorp
The Gabba
Ballymore
Boondall

+ Brisbane Live
+ Whatever Olympics stadium (Albion?)

Not sure what your point is.

Brisbane Live is essentially to replace Boondall. It is an indoor entertainment venue, which none of the others are.

QSAC and Ballymore do not even really qualify as 'stadiums' by any modern standard. And even the Gabba's status as a stadium for modern standards is challenged now.

+1 for Cleveland Line's post. All of those venues serve very different purposes. Brisbane Live will replace BEC as the flagship live music area (BEC is aging and is starting to not be up to spec for some of the larger touring productions, and as has been said above is poorly located for its purpose).

Each of the other stadiums you mentioned all serve very different sports and crowd capacities. Nothing wrong here.

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[verbatim9]

How many stadiums does Brisbane need?

QEII
Suncorp
The Gabba
Ballymore
Boondall

+ Brisbane Live
+ Whatever Olympics stadium (Albion?)

How many stadiums does Brisbane need?

QEII
Suncorp
The Gabba
Ballymore
Boondall

+ Brisbane Live
+ Whatever Olympics stadium (Albion?)

As has been pointed out to you some time ago - Boondall isn't suitable for the long term given it's out in the burbs and has limited capacity.  The proposed Brisbane Live project is meant to replace Boondall and ensure that it's more central to the city, transport and restaurants as all modern entertainment precients should be.

Frankly the current location of Boondall sucks beyond belief - makes me think that ol Sir Joh hated entertainment and young people (and tourists) and wanted it pushed out as far as possible from the city on the cheapest land possible.

How many stadiums does Brisbane need?

QEII
Suncorp
The Gabba
Ballymore
Boondall

+ Brisbane Live
+ Whatever Olympics stadium (Albion?)

Not sure what your point is.

Brisbane Live is essentially to replace Boondall. It is an indoor entertainment venue, which none of the others are.

QSAC and Ballymore do not even really qualify as 'stadiums' by any modern standard. And even the Gabba's status as a stadium for modern standards is challenged now.

How many stadiums does Brisbane need?

QEII
Suncorp
The Gabba
Ballymore
Boondall

+ Brisbane Live
+ Whatever Olympics stadium (Albion?)

Not sure what your point is.

Brisbane Live is essentially to replace Boondall. It is an indoor entertainment venue, which none of the others are.

QSAC and Ballymore do not even really qualify as 'stadiums' by any modern standard. And even the Gabba's status as a stadium for modern standards is challenged now.

+1 for Cleveland Line's post. All of those venues serve very different purposes. Brisbane Live will replace BEC as the flagship live music area (BEC is aging and is starting to not be up to spec for some of the larger touring productions, and as has been said above is poorly located for its purpose).

Each of the other stadiums you mentioned all serve very different sports and crowd capacities. Nothing wrong here.

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I can't believe this was even a topic of conversation. The design aspects it's so much more important. How it's integrated into the whole area along side Active Transport and the permanent long distance coach terminal? Presumably going underneath Brisbane Live?

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Couriermail --> Brisbane Live arena plan faces test

Until now, Roma Street Parkland has been the frontrunner location for a new 17,000-seat entertainment centre. But does the government have another site in mind?

THE Palaszczuk Government has not ruled out an alternative site to Roma Street Parkland for a proposed 17,000-seat CBD entertainment centre.

Tourism Minister Kate Jones said yesterday the ­market had shown a strong ­interest in the Roma St site.

"All of the analysis to date has shown Brisbane Live would be a transformational investment in Roma Street,'' Ms Jones said.

"While other sites have been floated, they have not been as compelling as Roma Street. They have all struggled from a space, precinct activation and connectivity point of view. But let's ... test exactly whether the current appetite for Roma Street really is what the market has so far told us."

When Brisbane Live was first mooted in 2015, preliminary cost estimates undertaken by Treasury put the figure at $2 billion.

But ASM Global, the project champion, believes it can be done for significantly less.

The Government has also outlined how Cross River Rail stations will transform the CBD and be a major part of the state's 2032 Olympics bid.

"It's very much part of the transformation of the city," Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said.

[OzGamer]

How many stadiums does Brisbane need?

QEII
Suncorp
The Gabba
Ballymore
Boondall

+ Brisbane Live
+ Whatever Olympics stadium (Albion?)

Not sure what your point is.

Brisbane Live is essentially to replace Boondall. It is an indoor entertainment venue, which none of the others are.

QSAC and Ballymore do not even really qualify as 'stadiums' by any modern standard. And even the Gabba's status as a stadium for modern standards is challenged now.

Presumably Boondall and Brisbane Live would both be utilised in an Olympics bid, but I wouldn't be surprised if Boondall was slated for closure or modification for some other purpose after that. Brisbane Live will be well used as a live music venue - it will be much more popular than Boondall because if its location and hopefully better, more modern design.

Ballymore can continue as a lower cost football venue for more local games. The Gabba and Lang Park are both pretty well used for sport all year.

If a new olympic venue is built my guess it would be slated to be converted to a smaller "boutique" 20,000 capacity football ground after the games. This has been noted as a requirement for things like a Brisbane Roar women's team home venue.

QEII is the big issue if it is not used for an Olympics bid. It is really questionable what it's purpose is in that case. Perhaps they could knock it down and put an Olympics Village there which could become an urban village after that.

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Brisbanetimes---> Auditors deliver blow to Brisbane Live arena project

Brisbane's proposed 17,000-seat indoor stadium over Roma Street Station is not economically viable, a Queensland government Audit Office report has found.

The proposed inner-city venue, Brisbane Live, was conceived by music entrepreneur Harvey Lister's company AEG Ogden (now ASM Global) in 2016, but was costed on a study of Melbourne's live music scene.

It is now being evaluated by the Queensland government's Building Queensland, which assesses infrastructure projects with a budget of more than $100 million. The Queensland Audit Office report Evaluating Major Infrastructure Projects found the $2.11 billion Brisbane Live project's cost was far greater than its benefits to the city.

"The project involves development of a new arena located over railways, roads and properties in the Brisbane CBD (at Roma Street Station). Building Queensland developed the business case in partnership with Cross River Rail Delivery Authority," it says.

"The reference project had a benefit-cost ratio of 0.36, which indicates that the economic benefits do not offset the large upfront capital costs of the project." A project should have a benefit cost ratio of at least 1 to show it will deliver a positive return on the investment.

The Queensland Audit Office report finds the project's initial viability was based on a study of Melbourne's music scene. "Much of the economic benefit for this project derives from consumer surplus (ie uplift in willingness to pay)," it says. This assumption is based on comparison with a study in Melbourne, which considered the uplift in willingness to pay at live music venues across Melbourne (as opposed to events specifically held at an arena). "The business case acknowledges that this study does not provide for the difference between shows in the inner city (for example, international shows) and a band performing in an outer suburb. "While the project team was able to resolve a number of issues working with the peer reviewer, it is unclear whether all the issues were adequately addressed. BQ did not maintain a peer review log for this business case."

The Queensland Audit Office report said developing peer review logs was important to ensure all key issues were tracked and resolved in a timely manner.

In recent years, the nearby Suncorp Stadium has been used as a live-music venue for very large shows, the 30-year-old but revamped Riverstage in the City Botanic Gardens fits 9500, while the new Fortitude Music Hall fits 3000. Building Queensland is now testing the private sector for its "appetite for the project". The Cross River Rail Delivery Authority will report to Queensland cabinet on whether to proceed with the concept.

Building Queensland chief executive Damian Gould said the cost-benefit analysis reported by the audit office only included benefits which were "directly attributable and quantifiable" to the Brisbane Live project. "In addition, we did an assessment of the wider economic benefits attributable to the project," Mr Gould said. "And in a lot of instances, these benefits cannot be quantified for the purposes of a cost-benefit analysis assessment." These included employment opportunities and increased gross state product and regional product, as well as positive cultural impacts and improvements to the quality of living environment associated with access to recreational and green spaces.

The Cross River Rail Delivery Authority, in the appendix of the same Queensland Audit Office Report which finds the original business case is not viable, argues the multibillion-dollar project could be a"transformational investment at Roma Street".

A letter from CRRDA chief executive Graeme Newton to the Queensland Audit Office on April 20 agrees improvements could have been made to the business case.
Mr Newton's letter also acknowledges questions over the "cost and contingencies" of the project. It was now exploring benefits to the city from when the venue is not being used.

"In its assessment of the Brisbane Live business case the BQ Board advised government that the business case highlighted several areas requiring further analysis prior to the project being market ready," the letter says.
Comment has also been sought from ASM Global.
Infrastructure Association of Queensland chief executive Priscilla Radice said businesses case are important to ensure value for money for taxpayers. "Building Queensland has the mandate to do the detailed building cases for projects which then go up to government for consideration," Ms Radice said. But there isn't any visibility for the time period from once they've left BQ and gone back into the machinery of government for consideration," she said.'

"Ms Radice said the lack of a funded pipeline of work made it hard for the infrastructure industry to gauge skills, size and retention of specialists in the longer term. "It will be important not to rely too heavily on mega projects and to have projects of varying size and scale to help rebuild the economy."

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^^I hope it does happen!? They should build the cycling bridge over Roma Street regardless of any delay or cancellation of building the indoor arena. But I am sure Aeg Ogden and the LNP will be keen to see this get off the ground and completed. Maybe they need to make the max capacity 25,000-30,000 to future proof it and ensure its profitabilty?

[red dragin]

Making it bigger won't improve its profitability, will probably make it worse. We don't see that many big acts in Brisbane as it is, bigger won't attract anymore. All it might do is attract a few from Suncorp or QSAC, which is what, one or two per year?

[timh]

Yeah it definitely doesn't need to be bigger. The proposed size is fine. It's supposed to replace Boondall, and at 17k punters it's effectively doing that with a little bit added. 25-30k capacity is not future proofing it's creating and entirely different venue.

For the record Boondall definitely gets plenty of shows in. Earlier this year (jan-feb) there was a show in there basically every 2 weeks.

My problem is the way they calculated the cost-benefit, if the article is to be believed. Seems they compared it to people seeing local shows in Melbourne?? Completely different! The amount of people that would go to a local show (which tend to be music scene enthusiasts) is vastly outweighed by the number of normies that are gonna see their favourite international act at Boondall

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[verbatim9]

I believe Suncorp can have 6 concerts per year usually meeting that quota. Gabba was a trial run with Adel. A CBD all weather venue would be better than QSAC and Suncorp combined.

The number of concerts per artist are increased at Boondall due to lack of capacity. Sometimes spanning over three to four concerts. This equates to 30,000 to 40,000 people.

Having a large venue in the CBD would surely help the hospitality industry prior and after a concert?

Better transport options to and from as well being in the CBD.

[timh]

I believe Suncorp can have 6 concerts per year usually meeting that quota. Gabba was a trial run with Adel. A CBD all weather venue would be better than QSAC and Suncorp combined.

The number of concerts per artist are increased at Boondall due to lack of capacity. Sometimes spanning over three to four concerts. This equates to 30,000 to 40,000 people.

Having a large venue in the CBD would surely help the hospitality industry prior and after a concert?

Better transport options to and from as well being in the CBD.

If the concept designs are anything to go by for the 17k venue you won't be able to fit a 40k venue in the proposed location

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[red dragin]

So if this is built, you level Boondall and put more concerts on in the city, is that the plan?

That then gives a private company a monopoly on large concerts. Drinks are dear enough at Boondall!