Brisbane: Bus Electric Rapid Transit (' Brisbane Metro ')

[verbatim9]

Metro. Ideally trains should be the routes transporting the masses to/from the city. Buses should be feeding people into the railway/busway and to major bus interchanges/hf routes that go to the city. Currently it's a bus city because nearly every single bus route goes to the city. Until there is a total redesign of Brisbane's bus network and more spending on proper infrastructure and services brisbane will always be a bus city rather than a proper intergrated public transport network. There shouldn't even be a bus city or train city for Brisbane.

Don't truncate the 444. It's should be left to go to the city until a mass transit corridor is built from Kenmore - Chapel Hill - Indooroopilly - St Lucia  UQ - West end - South Brisbane - City.

Centenary Bus services can be extended to Darra Station once the Sumner's road bridge has been duplicated. It will probably be a faster trip to Toowong or the City for those residents changing at Darra and hopping on a morning express train.

Also build the Public transport Green Bridge from Bellbowrie to Wacol or Riverhills and introduce a new feeder bus to Darra station from Moggill/Bellbowrie.

[#Metro]

Research from the 2013 bus review showed that pax levels dropped off after Kenmore. But practically, if you cut this one everyone will have major loss aversion reactions, even if they live in the area but don't use it.

[verbatim9]

^^That's also 2013. Yes! Passengers that use the service to Kenmore subsidise that service out to Moggill. The 444 has good loads/patronage.  You don't want to turn a  45 min trip into a 60min trip or more during peak from making people change at Indooroopilly. Plus potentially unable to hop onto another service because of overcrowding!? ^^Like I said before wait until the Green Bridge is built at Bellbowrie/Riverhills and the mass transit corridor completed, being a Busway, Metro/Tram grade seperated corridor from Kenmore, then re-evaluate.

[HappyTrainGuy]

Seems there's foam in bus threads too

[achiruel]

Between Misty Morn, Kenmore and Birkin Rd, Bellbowrie, the 444 essentially covers 8km of nothing. Wealthy people on acreages who drive Mercs and Range Rovers, it's the same reason public transport patronage in Ascot is so poor.

The longest similar gap on the 453 is 3.3km between Sinnamon Village and Fig Tree Pocket, and 4.5km from Glen Ross Rd at Sinnamon Park and Fig Tree Pocket. I know which one I think deserves BUZ more, but for some odd reason, we have the 444 BUZzed instead.

[SurfRail]

Well we keep hearing that the Centenary suburbs' network is due for an imminent makeover.  Where is that up to?

[achiruel]

Well we keep hearing that the Centenary suburbs' network is due for an imminent makeover.  Where is that up to?

BCC Bus Reform? Thanks for the laugh! 

[ozbob]

Well we keep hearing that the Centenary suburbs' network is due for an imminent makeover.  Where is that up to?

Stalemate at TransLink/Government.   They are flat out tying shoe laces ...

[techblitz]

Centenary also needs a depot movements makeover.
Willawong depot is struggling to service everywhere in between mains and moggil.
If and when they proceed with any indro truncation(never a better time since it now has an avm).....i would like to see any HF indro to city starters/finishers come from Sherwood depot....its only a 10min trip between depot and indro...
Time to act on willawong buses getting stuck in the coro drive mayhem....which then results in severely late or even cancelled return services.

[Cazza]

I don't see why Willawong services Centenary. It should be run by buses from Toowong and Sherwood only. I have believe I have once seen a Willawong bus on a route 184 before. Also, a Virginia bus on a 112 which was quite amusing.

[verbatim9]

Time to act on willawong buses getting stuck in the coro drive mayhem....which then results in severely late or even cancelled return services.

Thats why a new mass transit corridor is needed. A graded seperated corridor from Kenmore to the city via Indooroopilly - St Lucia - UQ - West end - South Brisbane and City. It would be a very successful corridor, as it will provide a faster route for people in the Kenmore area. As well as providing a reliable mass transit solution to all the high density living in Indooroopilly, St Lucia, around UQ West end and South Brisbane. UQ can act as a major interchange to get to the East from the West or vice versa.
UQ has already set aside land in their Master Transport plan for that corridor.

[#Metro]

Perfectly good 4-track railway from Indooroopilly. There's your mass transit corridor.

Taking the Springfield line over the freeway into centenary would be great but expensive.

[verbatim9]

Perfectly good 4-track railway from Indooroopilly. There's your mass transit corridor.

Taking the Springfield line over the freeway into centenary would be great but expensive.

Even though the rail line is there it's too far from the University and doesn't solve a good public transport solution for Kenmore  and surrounds nor the high density living in West End. Feeder buses just won't cut it for this area. It also doesn't address the congestion along Moggill Road. Centenary has Darra Station  3 km down the road. Once Sumners road bridge is duplicated, bus services can be extended to Darra station full time. People will appreciate that when it happens. Don't forget Centenary also has the 460 and many other services but it's a car orientated suburb. Most are 3 car households.

[James]

Even though the rail line is there it's too far from the University and doesn't solve a good public transport solution for Kenmore  and surrounds nor the high density living in West End. Feeder buses just won't cut it for this area. It also doesn't address the congestion along Moggill Road. Centenary has Darra Station  3 km down the road. Once Sumners road bridge is duplicated, bus services can be extended to Darra station full time. People will appreciate that when it happens. Don't forget Centenary also has the 460 and many other services but it's a car orientated suburb. Most are 3 car households.

Then simply extend some of the high-frequency routes to UQ instead of the City. The 2013 bus network review already did this - I actually think they did this too much IMO, there were going to be about 6 bus routes running down Swann Road, it was going to become the next Coro Drive.

Particularly in peak, it is much faster for people to transfer to a train at Indro (or even Toowong) rather than catch a bus into the CBD. Sure, the bus won't be able to bypass the congestion on Moggill Road up to Indooroopilly, but it will bypass the congestion around Taringa/Toowong and then again along Coronation Drive.

Re: Centenary suburbs - it is a 'three car' suburb because the public transport is atrocious, with some areas having no PT at all. Once public transport becomes non-existent, like it is in parts of the Centenary suburbs you're guaranteed one car per adult, as a car is the only way they can travel anywhere in less than an hour. Darra station is also a backtrack for people around Mt Ommaney and Jindalee. It works for people in Riverhills and around Sumners Road, but it just isn't practical further along a 450 BUZ route. If you want to end car dependency, you need to provide frequent, reliable public transport options which aren't cars.

As well as providing a reliable mass transit solution to all the high density living in Indooroopilly, St Lucia, around UQ West end and South Brisbane. UQ can act as a major interchange to get to the East from the West or vice versa.

There is already mass transit around Indooroopilly, South Brisbane and West End. It is called a railway line/CityGlider.

St Lucia has the 412 BUZ and the ferry, which does the job. The Eastern Busway link to Indro can come in another 10-20 years, there's still a fair amount of unused capacity floating along the Swann Road corridor even in peak.

[verbatim9]

Even though the rail line is there it's too far from the University and doesn't solve a good public transport solution for Kenmore  and surrounds nor the high density living in West End. Feeder buses just won't cut it for this area. It also doesn't address the congestion along Moggill Road. Centenary has Darra Station  3 km down the road. Once Sumners road bridge is duplicated, bus services can be extended to Darra station full time. People will appreciate that when it happens. Don't forget Centenary also has the 460 and many other services but it's a car orientated suburb. Most are 3 car households.

Then simply extend some of the high-frequency routes to UQ instead of the City. The 2013 bus network review already did this - I actually think they did this too much IMO, there were going to be about 6 bus routes running down Swann Road, it was going to become the next Coro Drive.

Particularly in peak, it is much faster for people to transfer to a train at Indro (or even Toowong) rather than catch a bus into the CBD. Sure, the bus won't be able to bypass the congestion on Moggill Road up to Indooroopilly, but it will bypass the congestion around Taringa/Toowong and then again along Coronation Drive.

Re: Centenary suburbs - it is a 'three car' suburb because the public transport is atrocious, with some areas having no PT at all. Once public transport becomes non-existent, like it is in parts of the Centenary suburbs you're guaranteed one car per adult, as a car is the only way they can travel anywhere in less than an hour. Darra station is also a backtrack for people around Mt Ommaney and Jindalee. It works for people in Riverhills and around Sumners Road, but it just isn't practical further along a 450 BUZ route. If you want to end car dependency, you need to provide frequent, reliable public transport options which aren't cars.

As well as providing a reliable mass transit solution to all the high density living in Indooroopilly, St Lucia, around UQ West end and South Brisbane. UQ can act as a major interchange to get to the East from the West or vice versa.

There is already mass transit around Indooroopilly, South Brisbane and West End. It is called a railway line/CityGlider.

St Lucia has the 412 BUZ and the ferry, which does the job. The Eastern Busway link to Indro can come in another 10-20 years, there's still a fair amount of unused capacity floating along the Swann Road corridor even in peak.

Even though the rail line is there it's too far from the University and doesn't solve a good public transport solution for Kenmore  and surrounds nor the high density living in West End. Feeder buses just won't cut it for this area. It also doesn't address the congestion along Moggill Road. Centenary has Darra Station  3 km down the road. Once Sumners road bridge is duplicated, bus services can be extended to Darra station full time. People will appreciate that when it happens. Don't forget Centenary also has the 460 and many other services but it's a car orientated suburb. Most are 3 car households.

Then simply extend some of the high-frequency routes to UQ instead of the City. The 2013 bus network review already did this - I actually think they did this too much IMO, there were going to be about 6 bus routes running down Swann Road, it was going to become the next Coro Drive.

Particularly in peak, it is much faster for people to transfer to a train at Indro (or even Toowong) rather than catch a bus into the CBD. Sure, the bus won't be able to bypass the congestion on Moggill Road up to Indooroopilly, but it will bypass the congestion around Taringa/Toowong and then again along Coronation Drive.

Re: Centenary suburbs - it is a 'three car' suburb because the public transport is atrocious, with some areas having no PT at all. Once public transport becomes non-existent, like it is in parts of the Centenary suburbs you're guaranteed one car per adult, as a car is the only way they can travel anywhere in less than an hour. Darra station is also a backtrack for people around Mt Ommaney and Jindalee. It works for people in Riverhills and around Sumners Road, but it just isn't practical further along a 450 BUZ route. If you want to end car dependency, you need to provide frequent, reliable public transport options which aren't cars.

There is already mass transit around Indooroopilly, South Brisbane and West End. It is called a railway line/CityGlider.

St Lucia has the 412 BUZ and the ferry, which does the job. The Eastern Busway link to Indro can come in another 10-20 years, there's still a fair amount of unused capacity floating along the Swann Road corridor even in peak.

The 412 gets caught up in traffic and Blue glider runs along the street. Also it's unreliable at peak due to congestion

Mass transit corridors (best practice)

https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/streets/transit-corridor/

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> First glimpse of Metro plan's cultural centre makeover


Cultural Centre Metro station

SOUTH Brisbane's congested cultural precinct will be given a makeover under newly unveiled designs for the council's Brisbane Metro plan.

The project's draft report is set to be released this week and gives residents their first glimpse of designs for the underground Metro station at the Cultural Centre.

It comes less than a month after Infrastructure Australia declared Brisbane Metro was of national significance and gave it the green light to go ahead.

The draft designs includes a new signalised scramble crossing at the busy Melbourne and Grey St intersection at South Brisbane, which will link Metro passengers from the underground station to the cultural and entertainment precinct.

The council is also pushing ahead with plans to ban general traffic from using the Victoria Bridge, which means it would only be accessible to Metro vehicles, buses, pedestrians and cyclists.

The State Government is yet to agree to the idea, but is understood to be open to the possibility.

Lord Mayor Graham Quirk said the draft plan would ensure a 60 per cent increase in the amount of public space at the Cultural Centre precinct, with fewer buses travelling at surface level.

"Metro will help transform the Melbourne and Grey Street intersection from a congested, dangerous and chaotic mess into a safer, people-friendly place that prioritises public and active travel," he said.

"This change will mean up to 340 fewer buses per hour at surface level through the intersection of Melbourne and Grey streets, significantly improving safety and amenity for pedestrians."

A transition structure will give Metro vehicles access between the underground Cultural Centre station and Victoria Bridge, while a surface level pedestrian crossing will also be installed on Melbourne St linking QPAC with the Queensland Museum and Art Gallery.

Procurement for the $944 million project is expected to begin soon, with construction scheduled to commence in 2019 and services to begin in 2023.

A number of existing bus stations will require platform extensions.

The council has committed to funding two-thirds of the project, with the rest of the money expected to come from the federal government.

The draft design report will be released on Monday and will be subject to community consultation for five weeks.

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Brisbane Metro priority fast-tracks city and transport systems to world class standing

BRISBANE is a city on the move and the recent listing of Brisbane Metro as a high priority for the nation leads several game-changing projects under way in our capital city.

The Brisbane Metro will be the city's first turn-up-and-go transport, with two lines providing high-capacity public transport and fixing major transport bottlenecks that cause daily congestion in the inner city.

Daily commutes will be up to 50 per cent quicker, which means more leisure time to enjoy our city's great lifestyle!

Infrastructure Australia last month confirmed the Brisbane Metro as one of six high priority projects of national significance and a feasible, cost-effective solution to Brisbane's bus congestion issues.

The Brisbane Metro is the No.2 infrastructure priority for the State Government in the southeast and council continues to co-operate with the state to deliver its No.1 priority, Cross River Rail, so these complementary projects can remove critical bottlenecks to our transport networks and economy.

I've already announced Brisbane City Council will fund about two-thirds of the estimated $944 million cost of the Brisbane Metro but the positive assessment by Infrastructure Australia provides a strong case to receive a funding contribution from the Federal Government.

Subject to planning approvals and funding, council expects construction to commence next year and the first Brisbane Metro services to be operating in 2023.

While Brisbane Metro will deliver world class public transport, Brisbane City Council is creating some fantastic new leisure and lifestyle opportunities to boost our offering for locals and tourists to enjoy.

Tourism is a significant driver of Brisbane's economy and directly employs about 45,000 people. Brisbane attracted a record 1.3 million overseas visitors in 2017 and spending reached an all-time high of $2.245 billion, while there were 6.5 million domestic visitors whose expenditure rose 15.3 per cent to a record $4.1 billion.

Projects such as Howard Smith Wharves, the Mt Coot-tha Zipline and the River Activation Network will boost our tourism offering and showcase Brisbane as a great place to live, work and relax.

Restoration is well underway to transform the heritage-listed Howard Smith Wharves into a leisure and lifestyle precinct that further enhances Brisbane's status as a "new world city". From later this year, visitors to the area will enjoy uninterrupted views of the Story Bridge, the CBD and across the river to Captain Burke Park, as well as an array of event spaces and restaurants, a craft brewery, a brand new park with playground and public open spaces.

Also along the river's edge, new river transport hubs will soon take shape at New Farm Park and the City Botanic Gardens to enhance leisure and lifestyle opportunities and boost tourism by providing convenient locations to jump aboard Moreton Bay and island cruises, hop-on hop-off city-sights tours and water taxis.

These hubs will be the first of five inner-city locations along the Brisbane River to form a world-class network of river access infrastructure at key entertainment and lifestyle precincts.

Away from the river, Brisbane's Mt Coot-tha eco-adventure zipline will be a great addition to the leisure and lifestyle of our city with two separate adventures as well as a treetop suspension bridge.

By the end of next year, we should see people zipping along the 1.5km course that will weave through the Mt Coot-tha forest – the longest treetop canopy zipline in Australia. The following year will see action on the megazip and suspension bridge.

These projects are not only a great addition to the leisure and lifestyle opportunities available to locals but a great offering to the city's 7.8 million tourists each year.

Together with the Brisbane Metro, they will support our city's liveability and economic prosperity into the future, helping to make Brisbane an even greater place to live, work and relax.

Graham Quirk is Lord Mayor of Brisbane

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Team_Quirk/status/987903867617726465

[ozbob]

Stripping away the polyticks, it is a good thing the Brisbane Metro.  Capitalizing on the existing busways and improving by moving to more of a trunk and feeder model using the bi-artics makes a lot of sense as we have suggested for many years now.   Extensions do not need to be busways (very expensive) but transit ways - achievable and much more affordable ( see QLD Brisbane Transit Ways > http://infrastructureaustralia.gov.au/policy-publications/publications/QLD-Brisbane-Transit-Ways.aspx ).  I reckon Quirky will be long gone when the punters finally realise that they will be transferring from feeder bus onto and off the bi-artics ... ha!

[verbatim9]

The new Cultural Centre Station will be a great asset.

Just hoping the vehicles will be all electric being battery powered or over head wiring.

Electric engines over combustion ones going forward for public transport is a better idea in today's world.

[ozbob]

Brisbane Metro newsletter - April 2018 (PDF - 3.76Mb)

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/987940219411357696

[Cazza]

The new Cultural Centre Station will be a great asset.

Just hoping the vehicles will be all electric being battery powered or over head wiring.

Electric engines over combustion ones going forward for public transport is a better idea in today's world.

Just my opinion here, but I would much prefer battery operated vehicles than ones with overhead wires. Overheads just seem tacky and are very noticeable.

[ozbob]

I have had some brief discussions with Cr Schrinner re the possibility of electric bi-artics. 

They would be battery with rapid charging capabilities I would hope.  See > https://www.busworld.org/articles/detail/3158/bi-articulated-buses-for-brisbane

Electric bi-artics exist eg. > https://www.electricvehiclesresearch.com/articles/7234/solaris-and-partners-develop-bi-articulated-electric-bus

Hybrid is also a possibility, although I think the progress made with rapid charging systems might mean pure electric might now be the best option. 

OHT would introduce a lot of complexity and cost.  It would also restrict running the bi-artics out on transit way network extensions.

[verbatim9]

^^

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/9NewsQueensland/status/987968105103048704

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/987968165689753600

[ozbob]

Draft Design Report

On Monday 23 April 2018, Council released the Brisbane Metro draft Design Report for consultation, marking the next important step in the development of Brisbane Metro. The draft Design Report is a voluntary, non-statutory assessment of Brisbane Metro and describes the project's infrastructure, operation and construction in detail.

Council is inviting residents and stakeholders to have their say on the Brisbane Metro draft Design Report until Friday 25 May 2018. Your feedback will help Council continue to shape this vital infrastructure project.

> https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BneMetro

Documents

>> https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BneMetro/documents

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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Key Findings (10 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75464
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Table of Contents (291 KB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75465
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part A - Chapter 01 Introduction (1.51 MB)
    (pdf) https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75466
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part A - Chapter 02 Project need (1.03 MB)
    (pdf) https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75467
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part A - Chapter 03 Community and
    stakeholder consultation (609 KB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75468
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part B - Chapter 04 Project options and
    development (731 KB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75469
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part B - Chapter 05 Project description
    (5.82 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75470
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 06 Traffic and transport
    assessment (9.18 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75471
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 07 Soils, topography and
    contaminated land (3.96 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75472
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 08 Surface water and
    flooding (10.9 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75473
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 09 Groundwater (1020 KB)
    (pdf) https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75474
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 10 Noise and vibration
    (1.13 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75475
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 11 Air quality (580 KB)
    (pdf) https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75489
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 12 Flora and fauna (9.26
    MB) (pdf) https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75490
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 13 Planning and land use
    (5.83 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75491
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 14 Socio-economic
    assessment (4.31 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75492
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 15 Aboriginal cultural
    heritage (421 KB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75494
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 16 Historic heritage
    (1.96 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75496
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 17 Urban and visual
    amenity (3.98 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75497
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 18 Sustainability (441
    KB) (pdf) https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75498
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 19 Hazard and risk
    assessment (438 KB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75499
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 20 Cumulative impact
    assessment (1.27 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75500
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 21 Waste management (414
    KB) (pdf) https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75501
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 22 Environmental
    approvals (444 KB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75502
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 23 Environmental
    mitigation and management (449 KB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75503
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 24 Summary and
    conclusions (512 KB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75504
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 25 References (409 KB)
    (pdf) https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75505
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part C - Chapter 26 Glossary (1.47 MB)
    (pdf) https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75506
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part D Concept Design Drawings (01
    General) (4.06 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75507
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part D Concept Design Drawings (02 Typical
    Cross Sections) (2.17 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75529
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part D Concept Design Drawings (03 General
    Layouts) (52.7 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75530
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part D Concept Design Drawings (04
    Longitudinal Sections) (1.46 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75531
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part D Concept Design Drawings (05 Station
    Modifications) (7.27 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75532
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part D Concept Design Drawings (06 Depot)
    (1.3 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75533
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part D Concept Design Drawings (07 Extent
    of Worksite) (5.44 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75534
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    File Brisbane Metro DDR - Part D Concept Design Drawings (08
    Property Impacts) (8.84 MB) (pdf)
    https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75535

[ozbob]

I have saved all documents ... 

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/988192587231064064

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/988197016026075136

[techblitz]

https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75471

probably the one that most need to browse 

[ozbob]

https://yoursay.brisbane.qld.gov.au/34726/documents/75471

probably the one that most need to browse 

Yes, some interesting information in that document indeed!   

[ozbob]

Ok, I have just woken up from my morning nap.  Hands up those who have read all the DDR documents?

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/brisbanetimes/status/988522912939499520

[curator49]

This bi-articulated bus project is growing faster than a speeding bullet. Now there is talk of new underground bus stations and tunnels.
How much is all of this going to cost? Who is paying (us naturally)?
The Council is trying to make the State Government look like the bad guy in "not handing over a parcel of land".
The whole thing is going to come crashing down. I am sure the fare evaders will love all the doors on these glorified buses.

[Jonno]

I am struggling to reconcile the artistic drawings showing buses and pedestrian sharing the Cultural Precinct and the Concept Design that says the existing Queen Street Portal will be retained (thus having to cross the Metro Route? Lights?)   There does not seem to be any real discussion on route changes into the Queens Street portal.  Have I missed a document?

[Mr X]

This bi-articulated bus project is growing faster than a speeding bullet. Now there is talk of new underground bus stations and tunnels.
How much is all of this going to cost? Who is paying (us naturally)?
The Council is trying to make the State Government look like the bad guy in "not handing over a parcel of land".
The whole thing is going to come crashing down. I am sure the fare evaders will love all the doors on these glorified buses.

An underground cultural centre has always been part of this project and to be honest is probably the most important part imho

[SurfRail]

I am struggling to reconcile the artistic drawings showing buses and pedestrian sharing the Cultural Precinct and the Concept Design that says the existing Queen Street Portal will be retained (thus having to cross the Metro Route? Lights?)   There does not seem to be any real discussion on route changes into the Queens Street portal.  Have I missed a document?

At least one of them says that inbound services will access the QSBS from the direction of the Cultural Centre by using the new Adelaide St tunnel.  Outbound services to the Cultural Centre don't cross the metro alignment.  I assume the lane leading down into the tunnel can be retained but would only be accessible from buses that have turned from Adelaide St into North Quay.

[Jonno]

I am struggling to reconcile the artistic drawings showing buses and pedestrian sharing the Cultural Precinct and the Concept Design that says the existing Queen Street Portal will be retained (thus having to cross the Metro Route? Lights?)   There does not seem to be any real discussion on route changes into the Queens Street portal.  Have I missed a document?

At least one of them says that inbound services will access the QSBS from the direction of the Cultural Centre by using the new Adelaide St tunnel.  Outbound services to the Cultural Centre don't cross the metro alignment.  I assume the lane leading down into the tunnel can be retained but would only be accessible from buses that have turned from Adelaide St into North Quay.

Any reason not to take Metro into Queens St Bus Station as a stop and other buses just turn left and not right? Seems to just bypass the Queen Street Station because it used to be a hub but surley the end game is it is no longer a hub but just a station

[Gazman]

https://twitter.com/brisbanetimes/status/988522912939499520

Seriously, it shouldn't be that hard. I can't believe the project has got to this stage and there isn't clarity about the issue.

Do the state want it?
  Yes - then it should've been sorted well before the project got to this point.
  No - the decide, do you want money or are you happy to gift it as a contribution.

I don't think the council would even care if the state wanted money, in the scheme of the project it is minuscule. No wonder we have such trouble getting infrastructure done around here. Get on with it.

[SurfRail]

I am struggling to reconcile the artistic drawings showing buses and pedestrian sharing the Cultural Precinct and the Concept Design that says the existing Queen Street Portal will be retained (thus having to cross the Metro Route? Lights?)   There does not seem to be any real discussion on route changes into the Queens Street portal.  Have I missed a document?

At least one of them says that inbound services will access the QSBS from the direction of the Cultural Centre by using the new Adelaide St tunnel.  Outbound services to the Cultural Centre don't cross the metro alignment.  I assume the lane leading down into the tunnel can be retained but would only be accessible from buses that have turned from Adelaide St into North Quay.

Any reason not to take Metro into Queens St Bus Station as a stop and other buses just turn left and not right? Seems to just bypass the Queen Street Station because it used to be a hub but surley the end game is it is no longer a hub but just a station

I think the obvious answer there is that QSBS isn't fit for purpose for what you are describing.  There is no inbound platform for through services, and the station and the tunnels suffer from a number of constraints that suggest bypassing it is probably for the best for mainline stuff continuing to Roma St.  It's there as an off-road terminus for buses from the south and east.  In my view nothing from the western suburbs should be stopping there given the torturous route buses have to take to get from the B platform back to the west - fill the B platform with other southern services from the surface, to consolidate the location in the city for buses to certain suburbs (eg all buses to the axis from Old Cleveland Rd to Logan Rd).  Having a loop pointing to the Victoria Bridge facilitates that.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/990059210946658304