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« on: December 04, 2016, 11:11:42 AM »
New fare structure due to be implemented January 2017.  Exact date not officially confirmed as yet, although it could be 9th January.

https://haveyoursay.translink.com.au/SEQ-Fare-Review/news_feed/fairer-fares-community-engagement-results

Fairer Fares Community Engagement Results

The community feedback on Fairer Fares Package has been overwhelmingly positive. During the feedback period, there were 30,756 visits to the Fairer Fares webpages on the TransLink website, with 3,555 customers providing direct feedback to inform future fare planning via the survey.

A quarter of all survey responses indicated they would use public transport more as a result of the package.

The community responded favourably to reducing the number of zones from 23 to 8 with lower fares across all zones, with many people commenting that this would simplify the network and make it cheaper for them to travel locally.

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Most popular component of the Fairer Fares Package

(1 = most popular)

1. Zone simplification and lower fares across
all zones

2. The 8 and 50% off incentive

3. Moving the weekday morning peak to 6am
instead of 3am

4. Children aged 5-14yrs travelling free at weekends
on a child go card

More --> https://haveyoursay.translink.com.au/SEQ-Fare-Review/documents/41834/download (PDF)

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What they said about the longer term approach to fares

The introduction of new ticketing technology in the next 3 to 5 years is a key opportunity to explore possible new
approaches to fares including new principles and goals for the fare structure

Top five immediate priorities

(1 = most popular)

1. Allocating funding to network improvements
2. Supporting the uptake of go cards

3. Moving towards rear door loading on buses  << this

4. Revisiting discussions aboutfree services

5. Creating separate zones around Brisbane, Gold Coast
and Sunshine Coast

^ note how next generation ticketing implementation is already start to creep out ..  ::)
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2016, 09:22:37 PM »
What a pile of spin!
Lists the top 5 positive things, but not the top 5 least favourable aspects.
I would suspect that the 8 then 50% would be high up both lists.

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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2016, 12:48:48 PM »
https://haveyoursay.translink.com.au/SEQ-Fare-Review

What is changing in January 2017?

    reduced fares for all zones including reducing the cost of one zone local trips to $3.20 (adult go card)
    reduced number of zones from 23 to eight wider zones, making local travel more affordable (PDF, 264KB)
    weekday morning off-peak period extended to 6am
    free weekend travel for children aged 5-14 travelling on a child go card
    introducing an ‘8 paid journeys and 50 per cent off subsequent journeys per week’ incentive to replace the ‘9 and Free’.

In addition, concession fares to unemployed people receiving the Newstart Allowance and Youth Allowance, and asylum seekers will be introduced from early 2017, pending discussions with Federal agencies.

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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2016, 01:28:54 PM »
2017 fares vs. current







Map of new zones > https://haveyoursay.translink.com.au/seq-fare-review-interactive-map
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2016, 02:25:59 PM »
About time TransLink et al cranked up this IMHO.

Guess the Minister is too busy with Gold Coast Games stuff to worry about the public transport network.

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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2016, 03:40:14 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2016, 07:41:19 AM »
Queensland Times --> New year relief for public transport users

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A TRAIN or bus fare that would normally cost Ipswich commuters more than $10 will be $1.90 cheaper next month.

The South East Queensland fare review will come into force in January 2017, slashing 23 public transport zones to eight with reduced fares through the system.

The cost of a paper train ticket from Ipswich to Brisbane will cost about $8.60 for an adult, $1.90 cheaper and $4.60 between Ipswich and Redbank, $1 less than the current fare.

 The cuts could amount to savings of up to $1,300 for Ipswich residents who work in Brisbane and rely on trains for their daily commutes.

Additionally, commuters will be rewarded with a 50% discount if they take more than eight trips in a week.

At the launch of the reform in June, Transport Minister Stirling Hinchliffe said the fare cuts would cost the State $210 million in lost revenue over four years.

"This is the largest investment in public transport services in a decade since the rollout of the go card and integrated ticketing," he said.

"It builds on the recommendations from the taskforce to deliver fare reductions right across southeast Queensland."

The review does not quite amount to the task force recommendations which suggested a single zone fare to be reduced to $3.

Mr Hinchliffe said it would have come at a considerable cost without the necessary improvement to patronage.

Ipswich commuter Madelene Diego said she only used the train when she had to but the cuts were a positive move in the right direction.

"We came from Melbourne and the tram is getting more expensive so this is good news," she said.

Public transport advocator Michael Swifte said the cuts were not up to standard set by other capital cities especially for commuters traveling over multiple zones.

He said the group he runs, The Translink Ripoff, was pushing for concessions for unemployed people.

"We're not happy with the failure to implement the full terms of reference," he said.

"It may well provide some people with relief but we're not going to know until the zone boundaries actually kick in, until we know what they are."
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2016, 02:21:57 PM »
The zone boundaries have been a known quantity for some time now...

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2016, 04:43:22 PM »
Including the irregularities? Admittedly most of them have been subsumed. But there are a few irregularities which will remain, e.g. Gaythorne station (zone 2/3 now, will be zone 1/2 according to the preview-journey-planner, but the actual boundary according to TL's interactive map is at the Wardell St overpass).

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2016, 08:27:04 PM »
Including the irregularities? Admittedly most of them have been subsumed. But there are a few irregularities which will remain, e.g. Gaythorne station (zone 2/3 now, will be zone 1/2 according to the preview-journey-planner, but the actual boundary according to TL's interactive map is at the Wardell St overpass).

From memory the total number of stops and stations remaining on zone boundaries will decrease to something like 200 odd SEQ wide.

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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2016, 07:22:11 AM »
With a month before this major change is scheduled to occur and no "announcement".... one has to wonder..... is it happening?  Or are we going to be faced with yet another TransLink/Go Card delay?
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2016, 07:26:56 AM »
The campaign for the new fare structure is scheduled to commence around 14th December 2016 I understand.  They are waiting to get the bus changes for Queens Wharf done first.

I have been pushing a little behind the scenes.  Response is reasonable.
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2016, 08:11:21 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2016, 09:47:53 AM »
So we still have to pay more than 3 bucks to use public transport?? What a f%cking rip off. And incentives? 8 then 50% off??? How about having the bloody fares cheaper for christs sake.
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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2016, 10:14:34 AM »
The new fare structure offers very significant savings for around 93% of public transport users compared to the present fares.

The big benefit is the change to the zones, with reduced fares.  Will certainly make local journeys a lot more cost effective for many too.




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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2016, 10:50:12 AM »
Once again any fare changes influence those traveling long distances and not those traveling a short distance. PT should be encouraging people to use it for local trips. Yay less congestion on the motorway. Yay more congestion on local roads. So someone from Ipswich saves $2 bucks. Yeah! But someone that lives a 5-10 minute bus ride from their employment only saves 15 cents. The same applies for those that live in large built up local areas. Like West End, Highgate Hill, New Farm, Fortitude Valley, Bowen Hills etc etc etc.

And its still not even near what it used to be prior to all these 15% fare hikes that we saw year after year.
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2016, 11:31:26 AM »
If you  review the fare review task force recommendations it was recommended to reduce further the cost of short journeys and rebalance with higher cost for the longer journeys.  That was rejected by the Government and they moved to more of a middle ground.

Under the new fare structure a single short journey will be cheaper than in either Melbourne or Sydney (peak), although the cost of longer journeys in both those places are absurdly cheap relative to SEQ.  They have a far worse cost balance than SEQ will have in many respects.  Both Sydney and Melbourne have flagged that they will need to change that because simply not really sustainable in the end.

I am happy with the new fare structure, it really is only a staging point to the Next Generation System.

Short single journey cost (eg. one or two stops).

Adult fares (myki, opal, go card respectively)

Melbourne $4.10

Sydney $3.38  (peak)  $2.36 (off peak)

Brisbane $3.20 (peak)  $2.56 (off peak)
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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2016, 11:42:12 AM »
imo if you spend less time on the bus/train then you should pay slightly more than someone who spends more time on the bus/train.

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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2016, 11:45:46 AM »
Yes, there is a flagfall cost and then add a duration cost is another way of looking at it.  Getting that balance right is the tricky bit.

There are also community service obligations that also have to be considered.  Not much point in pricing people off public transport ( although they did try that from 2010 hey .. )
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2016, 11:59:50 AM »

And its still not even near what it used to be prior to all these 15% fare hikes that we saw year after year.

But to be fair, since 2010 there has been some inflation regardless, so its never going to be as cheap as the pre 15% / 7.5% years.

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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2016, 09:15:06 PM »

And its still not even near what it used to be prior to all these 15% fare hikes that we saw year after year.

But to be fair, since 2010 there has been some inflation regardless, so its never going to be as cheap as the pre 15% / 7.5% years.

Inflation still won't account for the 67.5% or whatever it was in fare increases.
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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2016, 12:34:22 PM »
Zoomable map of the new zones: https://haveyoursay.translink.com.au/seq-fare-review-interactive-map

The frame is a weird size so I grabbed the KML and put it in a full-size map:  http://4nd.de/2gASM6C
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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2016, 02:23:42 PM »
Thanks Derwan!

The boundary between zone 2 and 3 goes right through my front lawn.  Outside the house zone 2, inside zone 3 ..   :P
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2016, 03:09:00 PM »
It's not clear whether Indooroopilly Station is 1, 2, or 1/2 from that map. Quite a lot of money over a year for me with two kids getting off the train there for school.

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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2016, 03:17:11 PM »
Looking at the TL map Indooroopilly rail station is in zone 1.
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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2016, 03:27:00 PM »
Thanks Derwan!

The boundary between zone 2 and 3 goes right through my front lawn.  Outside the house zone 2, inside zone 3 ..   :P

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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2016, 04:58:36 PM »
It's not clear whether Indooroopilly Station is 1, 2, or 1/2 from that map. Quite a lot of money over a year for me with two kids getting off the train there for school.

I do hope they're going to clarify what is going on at Indooroopilly. The train station is in zone 1, but the bus station is in zone 2. This will turn the UQ - Indro buses from travelling through one zones to going through two zones - unless of course, you get off at the station and walk up the hill.

I'm inclined to say it's a presentation issue, as that zone boundary cuts Indooroopilly Shopping Centre in half and makes it cheaper to get off at the other side of the shopping centre than at the bus interchange proper.
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2016, 05:27:59 PM »
The taskforce report showed exactly which stops were located on boundaries, and indicated there was a drastic reduction in the number of anomalies. 

Perhaps we can get TransLink to provide full copies of those plans as the versions contained in the report were pretty low-res.

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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2016, 07:32:10 PM »
Thanks Derwan!

The boundary between zone 2 and 3 goes right through my front lawn.  Outside the house zone 2, inside zone 3 ..   :P
I hope you pay the correct fare when mowing your lawn!

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« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2016, 03:00:23 PM »
I noted the bus stops around Wacol <> Gailes are set up for the new fare structure ....

Won't be long now hey?

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« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2016, 05:45:41 PM »
Is there a KML of the current zones to directly compare?

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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2016, 03:28:59 AM »
Is there a KML of the current zones to directly compare?

Not that I am aware of.
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« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2016, 10:00:50 AM »
15th December 2016

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Minister for Transport and the Commonwealth Games
The Honourable Stirling Hinchliffe

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The Palaszczuk Government will slash public transport fares for commuters across south-east Queensland from Monday, 19 December ahead of its official launch on 1 January next year.

Minister for Transport Stirling Hinchliffe said under the Fairer Fares package customers will save several hundred dollars each year with cheaper fares across new larger zones of travel, as well as an extended off-peak discount, kids go free on weekends, and a range of travel incentives.

“These fare reforms are the most significant change to South East Queensland’s public transport network in a decade and will deliver cost of living relief to at least 93 per cent of commuters,” Minister Hinchliffe said.

“The Fairer Fares package was announced in June for a 1 January 2017 start.  We will roll it out from Monday to provide an extra two weeks of fare relief for customers.

“TransLink has been able roll out the package ahead of schedule with lower fares starting from first service on all public transport modes from Monday, 19 December.”

 Minister Hinchliffe said most customers could expect to save between four and 34 per cent per trip.

“I’m proud the Palaszczuk Government has been able to help family budgets by making public transport fares more affordable for the vast majority of users,” The Minister said.

Minister Hinchliffe said the Fairer Fares package, which was subject to wide-ranging consultation through the SEQ Fare Review Taskforce, would encourage more people to choose public transport over private vehicles.

“Taking the equivalent of seven million cars off our roads every year will mean less congestion on our local and major road networks,” Minister Hinchliffe said.

Minister Hinchliffe said compressing the zonal structure would benefit commuters in Brisbane, Gold Coast, Ipswich, Logan, Sunshine Coast, Redland and Moreton Bay.

“Commuters will pay less across the whole network including for local travel within their communities as well as for longer trips,” Minister Hinchliffe said.

For information on the new fares and zones visit www.translink.com.au, use the online journey planner, download the MyTransLink app or call TransLink on 13 12 30 any time.

Zones Map https://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/resources/plan-your-journey/maps/161219-seq-fare-zone.pdf

Fare Calculator http://jp.translink.com.au/fare-review (external site) Taskforce report (external site) 

 Summer school holiday timetable

In addition to the roll out of Fairer Fares Minister Hinchliffe said Queensland Rail would be introducing a summer school holiday timetable during December and January that will reflect reduced passenger demand over the holiday period.

 With data showing patronage drops by more than 25 percent in January, Queensland Rail will also introduce a new timetable from 28 December to reflect reduced passenger demand and deliver certainty for commuters.

“In January train patronage averages 776,749 trips per week, which is more than 25 percent lower than non-holiday patronage at 1,046,675 trips a week,” Minister Hinchliffe said.

 “While patronage drops by more than 25 percent at this time of year, services will only be reduced by 11 percent across the network and the majority of changes will be outside of peak.

“Airport services won’t be changed reflecting the demand for these services over the holiday period.

“The summer school holiday timetable will run from 28 December to 22 January and we urge customers to check the Translink website from Wednesday 21 December,” Minister Hinchliffe said.

The key changes to SEQ’s fare structure under the Palaszczuk Government’s Fairer Fares package:

    Fewer zones: SEQ’s 23 travel zones will be simplified to eight.
    Cheaper fares: Fares for all zones of travel will be slashed.
    Extending off-peak discount: Peak period won’t start until after 6am in the morning to encourage earlier travel and give these users cheaper fares. The 20 per cent off-peak discount will now apply for all travel between 7pm and 6am, between 8.30am and 3.30pm Monday-Friday and all day on weekends.
    Kids go free on weekends: Children under the age of 15 will be able to travel free on the weekend on a child go card.
    Senior discounts: Seniors and pensioners will retain the ‘One, Two FREE’ travel
    8 and 50 for commuters: The Government will scrap ‘Nine + FREE’ and replace with 8 paid journeys and 50 per cent off subsequent journeys per week to deliver higher travel savings to more customers.
    Concessions for Queensland job seekers: TransLink will work with Federal Agencies so jobseekers on Newstart or Youth Allowance will be able to access concession fares in 2017
    Concession fares for asylum seekers: In line with other states like New South Wales, Victoria and the ACT, asylum seekers in Queensland will be able to access concession fares to use public transport in 2017.
    New Fares Advisory Panel: The Government will establish a Public Transport Fares Advisory Panel to provide independent advice on future public transport fares, products and ticketing.

 Some examples of savings under the Palaszczuk Government’s Fairer Fares Package:

    An average Gold Coast commuter travelling between Robina and Brisbane city would save $1196.64 a year under the changes because their 15-zone trip would become a five-zone trip.
    A Gold Coast family travelling locally, with one parent commuting between Labrador and Robina and another travelling between Labrador and Southport, will save $1196.64 a year because these four and two-zone trips would both become single zone trips.
    Weekly commuters to Brisbane City from Goodna, Strathpine or Samford will save $889.92 and commuters from Morningside or Tarragindi will save $315.36 a year.
    A weekday commuter who travels a single zone, to and from work during peak period, will save $1.30 per week with ‘8 and 50’ combined with the cheaper zone rates. Currently they pay $30.15 per week under ‘Nine and Free’. With ‘8 and 50’ and $3.20 for a single zone of travel they will pay less, only $28.8 per week.
    A commuter travelling on public transport during peak times from Goodna to Brisbane’s CBD each weekday for work, currently pays $5.96 per trip to travel across five zones and in per week with ‘Nine and Free’ would spend $53.64 per week. Under the changes they will only travel two zones and pay $3.90 per trip and with ‘8 and 50’ will end up paying $35.10 per week. That’s a weekly saving of $18.54 with the cheaper zone prices and also ‘8 and 50’.

 School Holiday Summer timetable:

    Services will operate at 15 minute frequencies in AM peak from: Caboolture, Shorncliffe, Ferny Grove, Redcliffe Peninsula, Beenleigh, Gold Coast, Cleveland, Ipswich and Springfield.
    Services will operate at 15 minute frequencies in PM peak to: Caboolture, Shorncliffe, Ferny Grove, Redcliffe Peninsula, Beenleigh, Gold Coast, Cleveland, Ipswich and Springfield.
    Services will operate at 30 minute frequencies in AM peak from the Sunshine Coast and to the Sunshine Coast in PM peak.
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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2016, 10:01:03 AM »
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15th December 2016

Early implementation of new fare structure for SEQ welcome!

Greetings,

RAIL Back On Track welcomes the early introduction of the new fare structure for SEQ public transport, with effect from Monday 19th December 2016.

This fare structure is much more affordable, much more equitable and will support local and long distance commuting. It is a big win for our community.
It is in the best interests of all public transport users to obtain a go card for their travel. Paper tickets are still available but much more expensive than go card for equivalent travel.

It has been a long process to end up with a much improved fare structure for SEQ.  It is our earnest hope that future fare policy is removed from the politics of the day and given over to good and sound policy determinants.

Thanks to the Minister for Transport Stirling Hinchliffe, the Palaszczuk Government, TransLink & Cubic Staff for this early implementation.

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References:

1. Zone Map --> https://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/resources/plan-your-journey/maps/161219-seq-fare-zone.pdf

2. Fare Calculator --> http://jp.translink.com.au/fare-review Taskforce report (external site)

3. New SEQ Fares --> https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=12583.0
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« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2016, 10:19:54 AM »
Half baked projects, have long term consequences ...
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