Interim rail timetables

[BrizCommuter]

^ 96% on-time running, and 96% p%ssed  off commuters!
Stop believing your own spin Mr Hinchcliffe - we want a frequent and non-overcrowded train service, with a non-confusing timetable. You are not delivering that!

[tazzer9]

Cutting services doesn't count towards getting on time running.  A cut service even in the interim timetable should count as a failed delivery. 
if thats the logic of on time running.  Why not just cancel all services on day and have a party.

[BrizCommuter]

The BrizCommuter word on QR's Interim Timetable Mk2.
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/qrs-interim-timetable-mk2-summer-of.html

[verbatim9]

Yvette D'arth said this morning there is currently an enquiry into the business model of QR it may need to relinquish control and brought back into full Government management as an option!?

[#Metro]

Yvette D'arth said this morning there is currently an enquiry into the business model of QR it may need to relinquish control and brought back into full Government management as an option!?

It's already under government control/ownership.

Queensland Rail, QueenslandRail, QR, QR Ltd (GOC), Queensland Government Railways, Queensland Rail (Statuatory Authority) is one of the most reconstituted organisations QLD has.

[ozbob]

PDF's are now available (everyone is up at 3am hey?  )  whoo hoo !!

>> https://translink.com.au/service-updates/104191

[ozbob]

The BrizCommuter word on QR's Interim Timetable Mk2.
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/qrs-interim-timetable-mk2-summer-of.html

Thanks Briz, has been sent to all outlets.   

[ozbob]

BrizCommuter:
QR's Interim Timetable Mk2 - Summer of Misery
> https://t.co/hFQKvTRwE7#qldpol@StirlHinchliffe @QueenslandRail pic.twitter.com/bjNSHohGp2

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) November 4, 2016

[ozbob]

Is the Inner North PDF going to be published please?
Re > https://t.co/0fUXS0bSie#qldpol@QueenslandRail @TransLinkSEQ @StirlHinchliffe

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) November 4, 2016

[STB]

The inner north timetable has been integrated into the Shorncliffe timetable.  So, guessing the inner north PDF timetable is no more.

[BrizCommuter]

Significant update to the analysis of the Interim Timetables Mk2
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/qrs-interim-timetable-mk2-summer-of.html

Surely the outbound 90 minute gap to Shorncliffe is a printing mistake?

[ozbob]

The inner north timetable has been integrated into the Shorncliffe timetable.  So, guessing the inner north PDF timetable is no more.

Why on earth don't they say that! 

They should state on that page. " Please note Inner North Timetable is now included in the Shorncliffe Timetable "

Not hard ...

[ozbob]

Rosewood <> Ipswich cancellations later this afternoon.  At least 2 - 3 hour gaps.  Utterly shambolic our rail network sadly.

And with the major track closure this weekend you would think that crew would. not. be. a. problem.

What a sad organisation our rail has become ..

[ozbob]

Both Mrs Ozbob and Daughter #2 are doing examination invigilation today at QUT (Gardens Point).

I used the horseless carriage to transport them to QUT GP earlier this morning as it is simply too unreliable time wise with the track closure in from Corinda today.

They will use the buses on the way home as not as time critical. 

As happens with these major closures on examination days.  Many students will be late for exams and highly stressed. 

No one cares a continental in Government !

[ozbob]

Significant update to the analysis of the Interim Timetables Mk2
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/qrs-interim-timetable-mk2-summer-of.html

Surely the outbound 90 minute gap to Shorncliffe is a printing mistake?

Thanks Briz.  The whole effort by QR TMR and TL  is very much a shower of sh%t ..

[techblitz]

They will use the buses on the way home as not as time critical. 

they could also do a 100 ex qsbs to grand ave west stop into a 463....bit of sightseeing through carole park

[ozbob]

They will use the buses on the way home as not as time critical. 

they could also do a 100 ex qsbs to grand ave west stop into a 463....bit of sightseeing through carole park

Bonza idea!    

Somehow though I think they will head to Roma St .. lol

[ozbob]

. @StirlHinchliffe in view of the huge service gaps on Rosewood line can you please direct @QueenslandRail @TransLinkSEQ to put on buses pls

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) November 4, 2016

Would you wait 3 hours for your train?#qldpol https://t.co/sfZhg5K0ra

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) November 4, 2016

[#Metro]

Thanks Briz.  The whole effort by QR TMR and TL  is very much a shower of sh%t ..

This whole thing is like Queensland Health on rails? Wasn't the excuse/reason in that payroll thing was nobody told gov't there also?

Will probably end up costing the same with this overtime as well.

Queensland Rail has obviously broken the spirit of their customer charter https://www.queenslandrail.com.au/forcustomers/customercharter

although if you read it "to the letter" they seem to fulfil all of it - even the on time running (just don't count cancellations). Seems not worth the paper it is printed on.

We give at least 14 days notice for planned trackwork
and subsequent disruptions to our City network
services. We give at least 30 days notice for Travel
network services.

[ozbob]

Hinchliffe et al. are pushing the line that if a customer has to wait more than 30 minutes because of cancellations then alternate transport will be made available. On inquiry I have found out that this means ' station staff have cab vouchers ' ..

Most stations are not staffed, particularly on weekends.

Well there are no staff out west beyond Ipswich.  How on earth would a punter waiting on the platform at say Walloon have any idea of what is going on?

If an organisation is going to cancel services to leave in effect a 3 hour gap, then perhaps they should use their fuking brains and put on buses in lieu. 

I am embarrassed as much as disgusted for Queensland Rail, TransLink and Government.

[ozbob]

There just might be some hope ...

.@Robert_Dow spoke to @TransLinkSEQ - replacement buses will be in place. Website updated soon. @QueenslandRail

— Stirling Hinchliffe (@StirlHinchliffe) November 4, 2016

[verbatim9]

Yvette D'arth said this morning there is currently an enquiry into the business model of QR it may need to relinquish control and brought back into full Government management as an option!?

It's already under government control/ownership.

Queensland Rail, QueenslandRail, QR, QR Ltd (GOC), Queensland Government Railways, Queensland Rail (Statuatory Authority) is one of the most reconstituted organisations QLD has.

Not management apparently

[#Metro]

Not management apparently

They're public servants in a statutory authority under law. BUT there is also a "shell company" which has zero staff but owns everything.

https://www.queenslandrail.com.au/aboutus/governance

Queensland Rail is a statutory authority established under the Queensland Rail Transit Authority Act 2013 (Qld) (QRTA Act) and is a statutory body for the purposes of the Financial Accountability Act 2009 (Qld) and the Statutory Bodies Financial Arrangements Act 1982 (Qld). Queensland Rail discharges its statutory functions through its wholly-owned subsidiary Queensland Rail Limited (QRL). QRL does not employ any personnel, but owns all non-employee related assets and contracts. It performs the role of rail transport operator under the Transport (Rail Safety) Act 2010 (Qld). The Board Members of Queensland Rail are also appointed as Directors of QRL.

The Board is accountable to two responsible Ministers for the successful operation of Queensland Rail: Minister for Transport and the Commonwealth Games, and the Treasurer. An Operational Plan and Strategic Plan are prepared and submitted by the Board each year for responsible Ministers' approval in accordance with the QRTA Act. The Operational Plan is a formal performance agreement between Queensland Rail and responsible Ministers detailing proposed undertakings and target performance for the financial year.

[ozbob]

All the Rosewood line cancellations have now been updated to include the information that buses will be operating in lieu.

E.g.

===================

https://translink.com.au/service-updates/104301

4.35pm Ipswich - Rosewood train cancelled

Last updated:  Sat 5 November 2016 at 9.14am (an hour ago)

The 4.35pm Ipswich to Rosewood train has been cancelled due to an operational issue.

The next Ipswich to Rosewood train will depart Ipswich at 6.35pm

Buses have been arranged to transport customers between Ipswich and Rosewood.

[ozbob]

 

[tazzer9]

Both Mrs Ozbob and Daughter #2 are doing examination invigilation today at QUT (Gardens Point).

I used the horseless carriage to transport them to QUT GP earlier this morning as it is simply too unreliable time wise with the track closure in from Corinda today.

They will use the buses on the way home as not as time critical. 

As happens with these major closures on examination days.  Many students will be late for exams and highly stressed. 

At UQ, everyone drives to exams, but its nothing new.   
Its funny seeing all the car parks displaying full expect for the permit only carpark with over 1100 free spaces.
On saturdays its worse for UQ because the first buses at boggo road aren't early enough and last bus from UQ lakes is before the end of the last exam.
Ironically, under the UQ policies, any form of PT stuff up isn't a good enough excuse, but if you are running late in a car, all you need to do is have a small crash into a tree.


The shorncliffe line 90 minute gap is just because the were racing to push out a .pdf version.

The reason I suggested permanent substitution on weekends earlier on is because at least there is going to be some consistency and reliability, and with more drivers available elsewhere, there is less chance of a last second cancellation.  While buses may be a more expensive option, so is running more and more drivers on overtime until they say no.

[ozbob]

No disagree, rail needs to operate on weekends as per weekdays (barring closures etc.).  They normally do fine on weekends overall. Replacement rail buses are very difficult at times for a lot of reasons, and is very expensive to implement.

I suspect the problem with Rosewood today is simply someone is sick and things are still on bit of a knife edge due to the previous overworked conditions and a lot of crew being on fatigue leave etc.  I expect that things will ease up from here and in the forthcoming weeks unscheduled cancellations will largely disappear.

[James]

At UQ, everyone drives to exams, but its nothing new.   
Its funny seeing all the car parks displaying full expect for the permit only carpark with over 1100 free spaces.
On saturdays its worse for UQ because the first buses at boggo road aren't early enough and last bus from UQ lakes is before the end of the last exam.
Ironically, under the UQ policies, any form of PT stuff up isn't a good enough excuse, but if you are running late in a car, all you need to do is have a small crash into a tree.

The shorncliffe line 90 minute gap is just because the were racing to push out a .pdf version.

The reason I suggested permanent substitution on weekends earlier on is because at least there is going to be some consistency and reliability, and with more drivers available elsewhere, there is less chance of a last second cancellation.  While buses may be a more expensive option, so is running more and more drivers on overtime until they say no.

Brb crashing my car into a tree.

Not everybody drives to exams at UQ - parking, particularly on weekdays, can be hard to find after 9am. Saturdays, however, most people drive (or get driven) due to the appalling level of bus service in the mornings and evenings and surplus of available parks. Under Saturday timetables, it is difficult to get to 9:30am exams, and generally impossible to get home from 4:30pm exams (which often run for 3 hours and hence, mean students don't leave campus until nearly 8pm). Fortunately you have the 412 these days, but if you're catching another service or trying to get to Indro/Boggo Rd, it is very hit-and-miss.

Weekdays, there's no issue unless you're unlucky enough to have a 3 hour exam at 5:45pm.

[Stillwater]

You would be surprised at the number of people who use the Shorncliffe line at weekends.  Just as their grandparents did, people travel by train to Shorncliffe and walk to the Shorncliffe Pier Precinct, back to Sandgate with its cafes and coffee shops and then back home.  It is a good day out for those who don't have a car, or who chose to leave it at home.

[tazzer9]

Would it be realistic that the "new" October 4th timetable could be implemented from January 1st 2017?  There are always a few decent track closures in December so train crew wouldn't be in as large demand just prior to the new timetable.   

I also think that for some of the cancelled AM peak services on the ferny grove line, they could run free buses direct from ferny grove,mitchelton and windsor to cbd/roma st.   Timewise it wouldn't be too different from an all stops train. 

Also just noticed there are two rosewood shuttles that don't connect to anything at ipswich

[BrizCommuter]

Would it be realistic that the "new" October 4th timetable could be implemented from January 1st 2017?  There are always a few decent track closures in December so train crew wouldn't be in as large demand just prior to the new timetable.   

I also think that for some of the cancelled AM peak services on the ferny grove line, they could run free buses direct from ferny grove,mitchelton and windsor to cbd/roma st.   Timewise it wouldn't be too different from an all stops train. 

Also just noticed there are two rosewood shuttles that don't connect to anything at ipswich

Buses are much slower than FG Line in the peak. Some FG Line stations are also served by 390 and 345 for those who would rather get stuck in traffic.

[achiruel]

The inner north timetable has been integrated into the Shorncliffe timetable.  So, guessing the inner north PDF timetable is no more.

It's not really though, as there's no Doomben or Airport trains. Shall commuters at EJ, Wooloowin and Albion be forced to consult three or more different timetables?

[ozbob]

A few service cancellations happening > https://twitter.com/TransLinkSEQ

[James]

It's not really though, as there's no Doomben or Airport trains. Shall commuters at EJ, Wooloowin and Albion be forced to consult three or more different timetables?

I suspect what passengers at Wooloowin & Albion would do would simply be turn-up-and-go, or consult the real-time info through the TransLink website. That's what I do if I'm waiting for a bus on a corridor with multiple timetables.

[BrizCommuter]

A few service cancellations happening > https://twitter.com/TransLinkSEQ

lots of late running at the moment as well.

[ozbob]

6th November 2016

Media Release
Minister for Transport and the Commonwealth Games
The Honourable Stirling Hinchliffe

New train timetable to restore reliability

A new timetable will roll out on Queensland Rail's City network tomorrow to restore reliable services for rail commuters.

Transport Minister Stirling Hinchliffe said the sustainable timetable would deliver certainty for passengers.

"Queensland Rail has assured me that this is a timetable people can rely on," Mr Hinchliffe said.

"It will put an end to the unplanned and late cancellations Queensland Rail passengers have had to endure over the last month."

Mr Hinchliffe said the new 2016 timetable delivered a modest services increase from September service levels.

"Under the new 2016 timetable, Queensland Rail are committed to deliver 7,883 services each week," Mr Hinchliffe said.

"This is a sustainable timetable, which should have commenced when the Redcliffe Peninsula line opened.

"As new drivers complete their training we will be able to increase service levels next year.

"The average wait between a cancelled service and the next service will be up to 10 – 12 minutes Monday to Friday in peak times.

"Outside of peak, the average wait will be up to 17 - 20 minutes for the next similar service."

Mr Hinchliffe said more customer service staff would be stationed across the network tomorrow to assist commuters.

"There will be an increased number of customer service staff at key locations across the network on Monday, including 450 Queensland Rail staff and 17 TransLink staff, ready to assist customers and answer questions about the new timetable," Mr Hinchliffe said.

"At Central station, staff will also be equipped with iPads, to help customers access the TransLink journey planner."

Mr Hinchliffe said the new timetable would free up tutor drivers to teach new recruits, which is the longer term solution and a key part of the Palaszczuk Government's five-point plan to restore services and maintain safety for the travelling public.

"The timetable is live on the TransLink website and Journey Planner, so I encourage all rail commuters to jump online and plan their journey ahead of time, to make sure they're aware of the changes," Mr Hinchliffe said.

"This timetable will operate until the end of the year and will provide the certainty and reliability that Queenslanders expect and deserve."

The timetable for services in 2017 will be developed ahead of the introduction of Fairer Fares in the New Year.

[BrizCommuter]

^ So mention of when the original Oct 2016 timetable will be restored or improved upon.

[ozbob]

^ So mention of when the original Oct 2016 timetable will be restored or improved upon.

Other than the vague comment from the statement above:

"This timetable will operate until the end of the year and will provide the certainty and reliability that Queenslanders expect and deserve."

The timetable for services in 2017 will be developed ahead of the introduction of Fairer Fares in the New Year.

The new fare structure is due to be implemented in January 2017.  So at best probably January 2017 before for more services.

An insipid situation and statement really IMHO.

Be comforted though, there will be more staff out on the network but less trains and services ...   

[Stillwater]

My take is that 'in the New Year' is a flexible phrase that could mean February or March, but not January.

[ozbob]

The new fare structure will be implemented in January 2017, probably either January 9th or 16th or thereabouts.