Interim rail timetables

[ozbob]

Ippy is being shafted ! 

[James]

There's also the issue with the short-running trains to Coopers Plains and Cannon Hill. Poorly patronised because they stop short of going well into the suburbs, stop running after 7pm at night, don't have feeder buses and don't run at that frequency on weekends.

It has been demonstrated on this forum that trains could run to Altandi without any more crews or trains, which also provides a useful link to the Gold Coast expresses. Cannon Hill trains need to go further. Many have suggested Manly, but even going as far as one of the Wynnum stations would be a massive improvement. Yes, there are freight constraints - look at building some passing loops, there is room for some along the track, and there appears to already be a poorly maintained track beside the line at Murrarie.

Look at BUZ. It sounded insane at the time, but it worked. Melbourne has similar density in its suburbs, yet there is no line with less than 20 minute frequency within 15km of the CBD. QR struggles to get 30 minute frequency to places 5km from the CBD...

[HappyTrainGuy]

Look at BUZ. It sounded insane at the time, but it worked. Melbourne has similar density in its suburbs, yet there is no line with less than 20 minute frequency within 15km of the CBD. QR struggles to get 30 minute frequency to places 5km from the CBD...

Depends how you look at the buz working. Such as the 330 running empty Chermside-RBWH at night and the 340 struggling with any patronage Chermside-Carseldine in peak hour. It works well in some areas and then other areas its just p%ssing into the wind. And having such a sh%t bus network/duplication/competing modes/poor bus and train interchange network does not help this at all.

[tazzer9]

QR should be working towards having no freight to be regularly put onto the suburban tracks between yeerongpilly and the port. Only exception is the stuff that travels over the merivale bridge. There is a dedicated freight line, use it.   Fix the passing loop on it, maybe add another.   It also eliminates the need for TWO flat crosses over fairly busy tracks.

Coopers plains just acts as a fancy centre turnback, sending it to altandi would easily double its patronage.  Only problem is a timetable rewrite would be needed as having it only use the middle road is a bit risky.   If they had only quadded coopers-kuraby it would be so simple to have very high frequency services all day long on express and all stops patterns.

[James]

Depends how you look at the buz working. Such as the 330 running empty Chermside-RBWH at night and the 340 struggling with any patronage Chermside-Carseldine in peak hour. It works well in some areas and then other areas its just p%ssing into the wind. And having such a sh%t bus network/duplication/competing modes/poor bus and train interchange network does not help this at all.

If I had $1 for every time you dredged up this example, I'd have enough money to buy a house in inner-city Melbourne and never have to deal with half-hourly off-peak trains ever again. Yes, we know the issues with the north side. On the whole, BUZ has been a successful concept. Most are familiar with the failings of the 340 and the failings of running 12bph Chermside - RBWH at 9pm on a weekday. Issues with individual routes/recent BUZifications are not the reason to shoot down 4tph.

Perhaps some of those bus drivers would be better utilised on the rail network?

[achiruel]

Perhaps some of those bus drivers would be better utilised on the rail network?

I'm certain they could be far better utilised driving vehicles they are already trained for. Chermside getting 12bph and Bulimba gets ONE 

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

15th January 2017

Concerns re Queensland Rail timetable post 22nd January 2017

Good Morning,

RAIL Back On Track Members as well the entire SEQ community are keen to know what the specific timetable will be following the expiration of the Summer School Holiday Train Timetable - which it has to be said as been a disaster for many with congestion, confusion and failed connections.

The timetable after the 22nd January 2017 needs to have sufficient peak and off peak services for all lines, and be consistent for weekdays.  Maybe it is also time to consider a consistent train timetable for Saturdays and Sundays.   Times have changed and many folks want to use public transport on Sundays now as well.

It is also important that express peak services be put back on the Ipswich Line.  The Ipswich Line has been treated poorly of late.

Hopefully with the changes to ' job rules ' including the elimination of the ' 20 minute comfort break ' might well allow the re-introduction of the full timetable that was  first introduced on the 4th October 2016 to coincide with the opening of the Redcliffe Peninsula Line.

What ever is going to happen it is important that details be made available promptly.  School resumes soon.  People want to be able to plan.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

[ozbob]

Latest media: ' Concerns re @QueenslandRail timetable post 22nd January 2017 '
> https://t.co/DzzZgjrVqL#qldpol@StirlHinchliffe pic.twitter.com/jGwLLvEASO

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) January 14, 2017

[HappyTrainGuy]

Depends how you look at the buz working. Such as the 330 running empty Chermside-RBWH at night and the 340 struggling with any patronage Chermside-Carseldine in peak hour. It works well in some areas and then other areas its just p%ssing into the wind. And having such a sh%t bus network/duplication/competing modes/poor bus and train interchange network does not help this at all.

If I had $1 for every time you dredged up this example, I'd have enough money to buy a house in inner-city Melbourne and never have to deal with half-hourly off-peak trains ever again. Yes, we know the issues with the north side. On the whole, BUZ has been a successful concept. Most are familiar with the failings of the 340 and the failings of running 12bph Chermside - RBWH at 9pm on a weekday. Issues with individual routes/recent BUZifications are not the reason to shoot down 4tph.

Perhaps some of those bus drivers would be better utilised on the rail network?

I'd like to see those bus drivers elsewhere providing bus services to those that have none or a lack of buses.

Never said it was. More so the point of which trains would run every 15 mins just like which buses should be running every 15 mins. And even then you get to a point of where you need more than just walk up patronage and a few parking spots. The biggest hurdle for the Caboolture line getting a frequency boost prior to the RPRL was that there were a lack of feeders and a lack of direct walk up access which is why I was saying for yonks its not worthy of a 15 min frequency. Petrie-City however is where it made its trip patronage and even then that's limited and patronage comes in waves due to the poor feeder access with buses in that area running on an hourly timetable and just generally p%ss poor access to the railway stations themselves (take Carseldine. Massive new multistory developments everywhere but there is only 1 bus route which happens to be a peak hour only direction bus. And the western side?? Well that has nothing and in the distance it also has a peak hour only direction bus in the 328/329 or whatever it is. That'll get everyone onto the trains). The Petrie-Northgate issues still exist. The same issues exist on the Shorncliffe line. Nudgee/Banyo is having massive large scale developments going on. The area finally has 1 shopping center like coles/woolies/aldi etc. Lots more people living into the area. Yet there is nothing planned for PT. Railway station parking areas are overcrowded. Streets are getting clogged up with parked cars. Ped safety is minimal due to the lack of footpaths from the council (QR made a temporary sealed footpath at Nudgee because cars were parking on the section of land that cars never parked on previously and as soon as it gets to their boundary line its nothing again).

[techblitz]

I would like to see 15min trains @ Zillmere.....
The walkup patronage from Zillmere/church rds is quite impressive.....helped in hand no doubt by the poor frequency of the 327 and also 325 to geebung.Most of the residents have no option but to walk. 330 and its high frequency is taking a lot of patronage from this area which would otherwise be better meant for the rail-line....specifically weekends/off-peaks

[ozbob]

Recent timetable issues with Queensland Rail have been rather serious for many. 

Let's hope that a corner is turned from the 23rd January.

Some recent feedback:

" ... You are spot on re the express services on the Ipswich line. I have had numerous complaints about this.

I think the worse complaint is from a lady who lives in Rosewood. She leaves work at 5pm in Brisbane City and arrives home in Rosewood at 7pm without the express trains. Reverse this for the morning. Also count in the car travel to the station and the walking time to and from her work to the City station, as well as the heat wave etc. She now drives to and from work. It takes her 1 hour and 15 minutes by car in peak hour. She has managed to get a cheap car park. She says she will not go back on the train until she can be assured that the trains run on time etc. She says that she has no confidence in the train system anymore. So 4 hours a day in travel. No wonder she is fed up.

Also parents are concerned about the bus connections to the stations. Lack of confidence in the network is very important especially for parents of kids new to high school for example. ... "

[Stillwater]

Children are used to a routine -- the bus arrives on the corner every day at the same time and is there when school is out.  Or they catch to same train every day (as do workers too).  For older people, they can think for themselves and wait for the next service, or make alternative arrangements.  Society sends forth children each day, expecting they will be able to move safely to school and back.  Little kids panic when the train does not show up on time, or get confused when the bus and train fails to connect.  Not all have the means to phone home.

[ozbob]

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15th January 2017

Concerns re Queensland Rail timetable post 22nd January 2017

Good Morning,

RAIL Back On Track Members as well the entire SEQ community are keen to know what the specific timetable will be following the expiration of the Summer School Holiday Train Timetable - which it has to be said as been a disaster for many with congestion, confusion and failed connections.

The timetable after the 22nd January 2017 needs to have sufficient peak and off peak services for all lines, and be consistent for weekdays.  Maybe it is also time to consider a consistent train timetable for Saturdays and Sundays.   Times have changed and many folks want to use public transport on Sundays now as well.

It is also important that express peak services be put back on the Ipswich Line.  The Ipswich Line has been treated poorly of late.

Hopefully with the changes to ' job rules ' including the elimination of the ' 20 minute comfort break ' might well allow the re-introduction of the full timetable that was  first introduced on the 4th October 2016 to coincide with the opening of the Redcliffe Peninsula Line.

What ever is going to happen it is important that details be made available promptly.  School resumes soon.  People want to be able to plan.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

^ 4BC News have followed this up this afternoon.

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

16th January 2017

Re: Concerns re Queensland Rail timetable post 22nd January 2017

Good Morning,

Where are the details for the rail timetable post 22nd January 2017?

Is there an improved timetable or is more desperate planning still underway.

We have had enough of rail fail.  Months of shambolic rail service delivery must be stopped now.

Time the entire Executive Leadership Team (ELT) of Queensland Rail, together with the Queensland Rail Board were shown the door.  They have let down their own rank and file staff and the entire Queensland Community.   To reward incompetence with large cash bonuses for the ELT while sacking train cleaners is another sign of the failed Queensland Rail culture.

The shambolic state of public transport in SEQ is an embarrassment.  Major structural reform is needed, and needed fast.

Get real!  Queensland votes soon.  Rail fail will hurt.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Sent to all outlets:

15th January 2017

Concerns re Queensland Rail timetable post 22nd January 2017

Good Morning,

RAIL Back On Track Members as well the entire SEQ community are keen to know what the specific timetable will be following the expiration of the Summer School Holiday Train Timetable - which it has to be said as been a disaster for many with congestion, confusion and failed connections.

The timetable after the 22nd January 2017 needs to have sufficient peak and off peak services for all lines, and be consistent for weekdays.  Maybe it is also time to consider a consistent train timetable for Saturdays and Sundays.   Times have changed and many folks want to use public transport on Sundays now as well.

It is also important that express peak services be put back on the Ipswich Line.  The Ipswich Line has been treated poorly of late.

Hopefully with the changes to ' job rules ' including the elimination of the ' 20 minute comfort break ' might well allow the re-introduction of the full timetable that was  first introduced on the 4th October 2016 to coincide with the opening of the Redcliffe Peninsula Line.

What ever is going to happen it is important that details be made available promptly.  School resumes soon.  People want to be able to plan.

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

[ozbob]

Latest: Concerns re @QueenslandRail timetable post 22nd Jan 2017
> https://t.co/y9mQxvX2PA#qldpol #railfail@AnnastaciaMP @StirlHinchliffe pic.twitter.com/gRL2b473mV

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) January 15, 2017

[ozbob]

Letter to the Editor Queensland Times 16th January 2017 page 13

Keep regular rail users in the know

[ozbob]

How can @QLDLabor stand by while #railfail is causing utter chaos with our public transport network?#qldpol#askingforfriends pic.twitter.com/iOBfnYOg8A

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) January 15, 2017

[ozbob]

BREAKING! @QueenslandRail have advised timetable will not be published to commuters for another couple of days #Railfail #qldpol pic.twitter.com/3OIOWg4QSM

— Small Business Unite (@subsalike) January 16, 2017

[ozbob]

Concerns re @QueenslandRail timetable post 22nd Jan 2017
> https://t.co/y9mQxvX2PA#qldpol
where is the timetable? Is there a timetable?? pic.twitter.com/MQpgtqfa7m

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) January 16, 2017

[ozbob]

Prepare to leave earlier for work next week in #SEQ -delayed back2school @QueenslandRail timetable = more families opt for car trips #RACQ pic.twitter.com/AOzsAiSYwP

— RACQ (@RACQOfficial) January 16, 2017

[ozbob]

^

Crikey @StirlHinchliffe getting pretty bad hey when @RACQOfficial calls it out ..#railfail#qldpol https://t.co/YBmYNxTlKk

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) January 16, 2017

[ozbob]

The journey planner is showing express pattern back on the Ippy for peaks from 23rd January.

Bit difficult to troll through it to get all the details.  It is really quite sad the reluctance to put up the PDFs etc.

[ozbob]

New QR timetable effective from Sunday. Same as the one operating on Nov 7 #9News

— Shane Doherty (@ShaneDoherty9) January 16, 2017

Farce!

[ozbob]

Hopeless.  Time to give up on Queensland Rail. 

Mon <> Thu, with further cuts on Fridays.   Absolute rubbish!!

[tazzer9]

While not ideal, still better than what we have now.   

[ozbob]

While not ideal, still better than what we have now.   

What we have now is the SSHTT + extras when they can manage it.  Hardly a satisfactory outcome either.

Our rail network is now shambolic.

Reversion back to the 7 Nov 2016 timetables is just more proof of that.  At least they could have kept it consistent Mon <> Fri. 

Cleveland and FG will continue to be poorly served.

I checked the JP Rosewood weekend rail seems to be running.

I don't think Queensland Rail will survive post the next election.  Gone for all money ...

[ozbob]

Details for the reversion back to the 7 Nov 2016 timetable will be made later this evening.

Extras will be added as capacity demand dictates.  Which means they well realise it is going to be a hell of a mess at times.

Good luck!!   

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Queensland Rail's latest timetable to revert back to November 7 services

[ozbob]

This is what @QueenslandRail is going back to
QR&#39;s Interim Timetable Mk2 from 23 Jan 17
> https://t.co/hFQKvTRwE7#qldpol@fel_caldwell

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) January 16, 2017

[#Metro]

It has been proven beyond all doubt that Queensland Politicians cannot be trusted to run Queensland Rail as a business going forward.

Not even Connex was this bad.

Remove the politicians completely, terminate their ability to choose the QR Board or CEO, relinquish all power over every day operations, corporate structure etc.

Give Queensland Rail true independence, free from government. Government's role should be limited to that of purchaser of services and contracting through TransLink.

Having random extras coming in at random times on the network will be just chaos. Timetables exist for a reason - certainty.

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

16th January 2017

Queensland Rail Timetable from 23rd January 2017

Greetings,

As we feared Queensland Rail has announced that the timetable for the SEQ rail network will be the timetables that were operating from the 7 Nov 2016 are to be re-introduced from the 23rd January 2017.

This was in the fact the Interim Timetable # 2 (See below).

It is a confusing timetable with many service reductions and a different timetable on Fridays, from the consistent Monday to Thursday timetable. There are many gaps and it is a very poor outcome to be honest.  We were assured that with the passing of time the issues and job rule problems would be resolved and we could look forward to proper service levels.

I have checked the TransLink Journey Planner and according to that the Rosewood weekend rail services will be running.

We are very disappointed in Queensland Rail.  Serious questions must be asked of the Executive Leadership Team (who have pocketed cash bonuses to deliver this rubbish) and the Queensland Rail Board.  Might be time for them to de-train, such is the level of their incompetence.

Enjoy the rail fail!

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Reference:

QR's Interim Timetable Mk2 - Summer of Misery
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/qrs-interim-timetable-mk2-summer-of.html

[ozbob]

Media: @QueenslandRail Timetable from 23rd January 2017
> https://t.co/1apiYicByZ#qldpol@StirlHinchliffe @YvetteDAth @AnnastaciaMP pic.twitter.com/dW1Eox3jkl

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) January 16, 2017

[#Metro]

It's never nice, but sometimes it is what has to be done.

[HappyTrainGuy]

It has been proven beyond all doubt that Queensland Politicians cannot be trusted to run Queensland Rail as a business going forward.

Not even Connex was this bad.

Remove the politicians completely, terminate their ability to choose the QR Board or CEO, relinquish all power over every day operations, corporate structure etc.

Give Queensland Rail true independence, free from government. Government's role should be limited to that of purchaser of services and contracting through TransLink.

Having random extras coming in at random times on the network will be just chaos. Timetables exist for a reason - certainty.

As far as I know Translink is the party responsible for the publishing of timetables as it is part of their setup. Falls under the same section as Translink handling complaints and feedback rather than the operators doing it.The operators then just refer to it.

Edit: Google search.

Main function and its achievement
(1)
TransLink's main function is to
give effect to the purposes of
this Act.
(2)
The main function is perform
ed primarily by TransLink doing
the  following  in  relation  to  mass  transit  services  for  the
TransLink area—
(a)
operational planning for a mass transit network;
(b)
planning,   purchasing   and   
delivering   the   services,
including,  for  example,  by  coordinating  the  scheduling
of modes of mass transit services;
(c)
managing    and    maintaining    infrastructure    for    the
services, including, for exam
ple, bus stops and on-road
bus facilities;
(d)
delivering and managing infrast
ructure that is critical for
the services;
(e)
improving and expanding the range of the services;
(f)
establishing  a  single  point
  of  contact  for  customer
service  issues,  in
cluding,  for  example,  the  provision  of
service information and complaints handling;

[#Metro]

As far as I know Translink is the party responsible for the publishing of timetables as it is part of their setup. Falls under the same section as Translink handling complaints and feedback rather than the operators doing it.The operators then just refer to it.

Edit: Google search.

Main function and its achievement
(1)
TransLink's main function is to
give effect to the purposes of
this Act.
(2)

Act is repealed IIRC. Does not apply anymore. TransLink's identity is the same as TMR.

[SurfRail]

^ Correct.

[#Metro]

Still in luv with gov?

Queensland Rail acting chief executive officer Neil Scales said the timetable would be in place for the remainder of 2017.

Enjoy... only 11 more months of this to go! 

#FleeQLD

[James]

Queensland Rail acting chief executive officer Neil Scales said the timetable would be in place for the remainder of 2017.

You've got to be fuking joking...

...a Queensland Rail spokeswoman confirmed the timetable would revert back to the November 7 timetable on January 23.

You're reverting back to the old timetable yet the PDF timetables apparently "are not ready"? FFS.... Lost for words.

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

17th January 2017

Re: Queensland Rail Timetable from 23rd January 2017

Good Morning,

It appears the acting CEO of Queensland Rail has commented that the mediocre reduced service timetable to be implemented on the SEQ Queensland Rail network from the 23rd January 2017 is to be in place for at least the remainder of 2017.

This is not acceptable.  Goodbye Government Labor.

Might be time to find a rail operator than can deliver frequent reliable service for our rail network.  Queensland Rail and its over paid Executive Leadership Team (complete with performance cash bonuses) should be fired, today.  And get rid of the Queensland Rail Board as well. Clearly a complete waste of money as well.

There needs to be a complete reorganisation of public transport for SEQ.  Queensland Rail, TransLink (which is a collection of desks now at TMR) and TMR are failures! Look no further than the failed Redcliffe Peninsula Line - still with major issues, and the botched New Generation Rollingstock project.

We need a proper authority, Public Transport Queensland, with various divisions within that authority including a rail division.

We have also lost confidence in TransLink and TMR.  They are hopeless.  Queensland Rail and Brisbane Transport need to be relegated to operators as for the rest of the private public transport operators.   Public transport in SEQ is a disaster at present.  We warned for years this mess was manifesting and we were ignored.

If the hat fits wear it!

Yours in transport failure SEQ.

Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Sent to all outlets:

16th January 2017

Queensland Rail Timetable from 23rd January 2017

Greetings,

As we feared Queensland Rail has announced that the timetable for the SEQ rail network will be the timetables that were operating from the 7 Nov 2016 are to be re-introduced from the 23rd January 2017.

This was in the fact the Interim Timetable # 2 (See below).

It is a confusing timetable with many service reductions and a different timetable on Fridays, from the consistent Monday to Thursday timetable. There are many gaps and it is a very poor outcome to be honest.  We were assured that with the passing of time the issues and job rule problems would be resolved and we could look forward to proper service levels.

I have checked the TransLink Journey Planner and according to that the Rosewood weekend rail services will be running.

We are very disappointed in Queensland Rail.  Serious questions must be asked of the Executive Leadership Team (who have pocketed cash bonuses to deliver this rubbish) and the Queensland Rail Board.  Might be time for them to de-train, such is the level of their incompetence.

Enjoy the rail fail!

Best wishes
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Reference:

QR's Interim Timetable Mk2 - Summer of Misery
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/qrs-interim-timetable-mk2-summer-of.html

[ozbob]

Latest: Re: Queensland Rail Timetable from 23rd Jan 2017
> https://t.co/pZF5tSX0qA#qldpol@AnnastaciaMP @YvetteDAth @StirlHinchliffe pic.twitter.com/w8dDDHGRb3

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) January 16, 2017