Redcliffe Peninsula line & associated changes - rail

[ozbob]

BrizCommuter: ' Yet another timetable mistake '
> https://t.co/oLe4MNPJ91#qldpol pic.twitter.com/gUDrnXT3LN

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) October 12, 2016

[BrizCommuter]

Couriermail Quest --> Caboolture line train services cut to four inner-north stations

NORTHSIDE commuters are seeing red after train services to four inner-north stations were cut following the introduction of the new Redcliffe Peninsula line.

Nundah, Toombul, Wooloowin and Albion train stations are bypassed by the Caboolture line, which now runs express from Bowen Hills to Northgate (stopping only at Eagle Junction) leaving commuters to catch alternate services.

Nundah commuter Sandra Ritchie said other services, such as the inbound Shorncliffe line train, were crowded, arriving with only three carriages so that "by the time it got to us we were crammed like sardines".

"It's appalling we've had this very good service ripped away from us," she said.

Raa Shepphard said her commute from Bald Hills to a new job at Toombul had blown out to nearly an hour since the new line was introduced.

"They might have added five stops but they've taken four away. So many people have been affected trying to get to work," she said.

Nundah commuter Richard Finnila said the changes were a smack in the face.

"People have been encouraged to move into transport node neighbourhoods like Nundah and yet (now) we have a reduced frequency in train service," he said.

"There has to be a better balance."

A TransLink spokesman said 17 extra daily peak services were introduced to run between Northgate and Roma St stations during peak travel times.

"These additional services mean frequency during peak times remains as high as six minutes or better at Albion and Wooloowin stations and 7.5 minutes at Nundah and Toombul stations," he said.

"We closely monitor all changes to timetables and make adjustments where required."

CALL TO REINSTATE SERVICES

State LNP MP for Clayfield Tim Nicholls called on the State Government to reinstate the services and "get the area back on track".

He said commuters were reportedly told by Transport and Main Roads staff to "ditch their normal station and get on directly at Eagle Junction station".

"If this is happening it's an appalling state of affairs," he said.

"The new train times and stations are confusing. I will be expressing my concerns to the Transport Minister about the reinstatement of the Caboolture line to these four stations."

So the leader of the opposition wants longer journey times for 10,000+ Caboolture, Sunshine Coast, and Redcliffe Line commuters? Clueless.

A call for better counter peak services, and the Northgate services actually being on the timetable would be more sensible.

[tazzer9]

There very good service of 24+ trains an hour should never have happened in the firstplace.
Its not a confusing service, most trains have the same stopping pattern (ICE services are different).

They just need CRR and more trains.  That would allow 12  trains which are 6 cars long to run to northgate.   Would also say the kippa ring and caboolture lines should run every 15 minutes off peak to help reduce wait times. 

[ozbob]

. @TimNichollsMP @StirlHinchliffe thousands are benefiting from new timetable, it's more than just a handful of whiners that really count

— Robert Dow (@Robert_Dow) October 12, 2016

[tazzer9]

So the leader of the opposition wants longer journey times for 10,000+ Caboolture, Sunshine Coast, and Redcliffe Line commuters? Clueless.

A call for better counter peak services, and the Northgate services actually being on the timetable would be more sensible.

He is calling for better services to the people in and near his electorate.  He couldn't give a stuff about people who can't vote for him.

[ozbob]

^ which kind of sums up the botched politics that determines so much of the mediocrity that purports to be ' world class ' public transport !

[#Metro]

He is calling for better services to the people in and near his electorate.  He couldn't give a stuff about people who can't vote for him.

No policy Nicholls!

Just ask him what his policies are - on anything PT related. He hasn't got any.

Blue team need to get new (and competent) leaders. At both state and local council level they need a full wipeout. Wipe the slate clean.

[ozbob]

I have suggested to Tim that Steve Minnikin would be better in public transport (Transport). 

Mr Minnikin does understand the issues (former Assistant Minister for Public Transport in the Newman Government). 

Good government demands  a good opposition.  Definitely not happening in Queensland at present .. 

[tazzer9]

Wasn't Tim Nicholls part of the newman government that stuffed up CRR and the didn't buy enough trains.   

He could have fixed all the 3 cars services they they had the foresight to realise NGR wasn't going to be ready in time and went for an extra order of 20 IMU160's. 

[kram0]

A nothing story and complaining from people that care too much about themselves rather than the benefit for the wider network.

[Banksia]

^ not looking good.

BrizCommuter has blogged about the Ferny Grove Line timetable mistake.
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2016/10/yet-another-timetable-mistake.html
Can anyone can find any other new timetable mistakes?

Have a look at the pdf of the new Caboolture timetable. It shows a 3:42 am NightLink service from Roma Street on the weekends on the Caboolture timetable. It seems to indicate that this service stops all stations to Caboolture (including Albion to Wooloowin, Toombul to Nundah and Virginia to Lawnton), however, this service is not indicated on the new Kippa-Ring timetable but is shown on the new Inner North timetable.

So customers from Virginia to Lawnton are also meant to keep a copy of the new Caboolture timetable handy?? I think that this service is potentially omitted from the Kippa-Ring timetable so that Kallangur to Kippa-Ring commuters will not get upset on not having a NightLink Service.

Also, the journey planner is now indicating that this service is supposedly only a Caboolture express not an all stations train from Roma Street to Caboolture. So is the journey planner correct or the pdf of the new Caboolture timetable correct?

[petey3801]

The Caboolture nightlink train is an all stopper.

[urbanplanr]

Wasn't Tim Nicholls part of the newman government that stuffed up CRR and the didn't buy enough trains.   

He could have fixed all the 3 cars services they they had the foresight to realise NGR wasn't going to be ready in time and went for an extra order of 20 IMU160's.

Exactly. CRR would allow more capacity in the network allowing for more trains/more services and that way everyone wins. I too use Nundah rail station but it's actually not as bad as that article makes it out to be. Prior to MBRL we had 2 rail lines stopping (Caboolture and Shorncliff) and with MBRL we lost the Caboolture line but we gained an "inner-north line".

My only complaint is that they don't create a new timetable specifically for those new services to show up on the main TransLink website and real time app.

[ozbob]

https://translink.com.au/service-updates/101676

Train service changes

Last updated:  Thu 13 October 2016 at 11.19pm (4 hours ago)

An intensive training schedule is currently underway to train Queensland Rail drivers on new infrastructure through Petrie.

This training unfortunately has an effect on services whilst accredited drivers pilot others through new infrastructure to gain their competency. 

There will be a number of service alterations in place today to facilitate this training.  These alterations have been planned to minimise disruption for customers as best as possible, with most occurring outside of peak periods.

Please check the journey planner for the latest updates about your service.

We apologise for any delay to your service and thank you for your patience.

Service alterations:

    The 4.22am Roma Street to Northgate service is cancelled. The next Roma Street to Northgate train departs Roma Street at 4.39am
    The 4.42am Park Road to Ferny Grove service is cancelled. The next Park Road to Ferny Grove train departs Park Road at 5.07am
    The 4.57am Northgate to Cleveland service is cancelled
    The 5.47am Ferny Grove to Coopers Plains service is cancelled. The next Ferny Grove to Coopers Plains train departs Ferny Grove at 6.02am
    The 6.39am Cleveland to Bowen Hills service is cancelled. The next Cleveland to Bowen Hills train departs Cleveland at 6.54am
    The 6.59am Beenleigh to Ferny Grove service will run express from Kuraby to Salisbury
    The 7.19am Northgate to Roma Street service is cancelled. The next Northgate to Roma Street train departs Northgate at 7.27am
    The 7.33am Beenleigh to Ferny Grove service is cancelled from Bowen Hills to Ferny Grove
    The 8.10am Ferny Grove to Park Road service is cancelled. The next Ferny Grove to Park Road train departs Ferny Grove at 8.17am
    The 8.19am Northgate to Roma Street service is cancelled. The next Northgate to Roma Street train departs Northgate at 8.27am
    The 8.24am Shorncliffe to Cannon Hill service is cancelled from Roma Street to Cannon Hill
    The 8.39am Cannon Hill to Bowen Hills service is cancelled. The next Cannon Hill to Bowen Hills train departs Cannon Hill at 8.46am
    The 8.54am Shorncliffe to Cannon Hill service is cancelled from Roma Street to Cannon Hill
    The 9.01am Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled from Bowen Hills to Northgate
    The 9.31am Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 9.39am Park Road to Doomben service will delayed 10 mins and will depart Park Road station at 9.49am
    The 9.42am Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 9.52am Park Road to Bowen Hills service is cancelled
    The 10.01am Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 10.12am Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 10.31am Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 10.42am Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 11.01am Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 11.12am Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 11.31am Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 11.42am Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 11.47am Ferny Grove to Coopers Plains service service is cancelled from Roma Street to Coopers Plains

[ozbob]

http://www.queenslandrail.com.au/forcustomers/otr/dailyotr

[BrizCommuter]

Nearly 60 cancellations! Absolute disgrace!!

[SurfRail]

Nearly 60 cancellations! Absolute disgrace!!

Maybe we could bring in a more competent operator like Southern... 

[ozbob]

Problem is not really one of Queensland Rail's making.

The issues with the signalling forced late handover which has limited time available for crew certification.

There were no issues with the introduction of Corinda - Darra West, and Richlands and Springfield.  The signalling system was easily integrated and crew certification was seamless in the main.

MBRL (RPL) has been a good demonstration of what not to do.  Previous projects have been basically problem free (some issues with OHT Caboolture/Beerburrum but easily fixed).

Just have to give it a couple more weeks and things will settle down.

Mismanagement of the NGR project by the former Government has not helped either.

[ozbob]

https://translink.com.au/service-updates/101686

Train service changes

Last updated:  Fri 14 October 2016 at 9.30am (14 minutes ago)

An intensive training schedule is currently underway to train Queensland Rail drivers on new infrastructure through Petrie.

This training unfortunately has an effect on services whilst accredited drivers pilot others through new infrastructure to gain their competency.

There will be a number of service alterations in place today to facilitate this training.  These alterations have been planned to minimise disruption for customers as best as possible, with most occurring outside of peak periods. The next service will run less than 15 minutes later, in most cases.

Please check the journey planner for the latest updates about your service.

We apologise for any delay to your service and thank you for your patience.

Service alterations:

    The 8.54am Shorncliffe to Cannon Hill service is cancelled from Roma Street to Cannon Hill
    The 9.01am Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled from Bowen Hills to Northgate
    The 9.31am Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 9.39am Park Road to Doomben service will delayed 10 mins and will depart Park Road station at 9.49am
    The 9.42am Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 9.52am Park Road to Bowen Hills service is cancelled
    The 10.01am Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 10.12am Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 10.31am Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 10.42am Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 11.01am Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 11.12am Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 11.31am Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 11.42am Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 11.47am Ferny Grove to Coopers Plains service service is cancelled from Roma Street to Coopers Plains
    The 12.01pm Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 12.12pm Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled. The next Northgate to Cannon hill train departs Northgate at 12.27pm
    The 12.31pm Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 12.42pm Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 1.01pm Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 1.10pm Coopers Plains to Ferny Grove service is cancelled from Coopers Plains to Roma Street
    The 1.12pm Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 1.31pm Cannon Hill to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 1.42pm Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled from Northgate to Bowen Hills
    The 2.12pm Northgate to Cannon Hill service is cancelled
    The 2.28pm Bowen Hills to Springfield Central train is cancelled
    The 2.42pm Northgate to Cleveland train is cancelled from Northgate to Bowen Hills
    The 3.40pm Springfield to Nambour train is cancelled from Springfield to Roma Street
    The 4.10pm Coopers Plains to Ferny Grove service is cancelled from Bowen Hills to Ferny Grove
    The 4.31pm Cannon Hill to Shorncliffe service is cancelled from Roma Street to Shorncliffe
    The 5.28pm Roma Street to Caboolture service is cancelled
    The 5.39pm Shorncliffe to Cleveland service is cancelled from Shorncliffe to Northgate
    The 5.44pm Roma Street to Ferny Grove service is cancelled
    The 6.03pm Bowen Hills to Park Road service is cancelled
    The 6.10pm Coopers Plains to Ferny Grove service is cancelled from Bowen Hills to Ferny Grove
    The 6.47pm Ferny Grove to Park Road service is cancelled from Roma Street to Park Road
    The 7.02pm Ferny Grove to Coopers Plains service is cancelled from Park Road to Coopers Plains
    The 7.17pm Ferny Grove to Park Road service is cancelled
    The 7.18pm Beenleigh to Ferny Grove service is cancelled from Bowen Hills to Ferny Grove
    The 7.40pm Coopers Plains to Bowen Hills service is cancelled from Coopers Plains to Park Road
    The 9.24pm Roma Street to Northgate service is cancelled from Coopers Plains to Park Road
    The 9.32pm Ferny Grove to Beenleigh service is cancelled from Ferny Grove to Bowen Hills
    The 9.39pm Cleveland to Shorncliffe service is cancelled from Bowen Hills to Shorncliffe
    The 9.54pm Roma Street to Northgate service is cancelled from Bowen Hills to Northgate
    The 10.12pm Northgate to Roma Street service is cancelled
    The 10.42pm Northgate to Roma Street service is cancelled
    The 10.54pm Roma Street to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 11.09pm Shorncliffe to Cleveland service is cancelled
    The 11.24pm Roma Street to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 11.42pm Northgate to Roma Street service is cancelled
    The 12.07am Ipswich to Caboolture service is running all stations between Bowen Hills to Northgate
    The 12.12am Northgate to Roma Street service is cancelled
    The 12.24am Roma Street to Northgate service is cancelled
    The 12.54am Roma Street to Northgate service is cancelled

[tazzer9]

Problem is not really one of Queensland Rail's making.

How is it not of QR's making?   They are the ones who don't have enough drivers to run services that have nothing to do with the new infrastructure. 

[petey3801]

And you can thank the Newman government and their recruitment freeze (among other major staffing changes for the worse), putting QR even further behind the 8-ball.

[techblitz]

The issues with the signalling forced late handover which has limited time available for crew certification.

seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation.

[ozbob]

And you can thank the Newman government and their recruitment freeze (among other major staffing changes for the worse), putting QR even further behind the 8-ball.

Yes thanks.

Really has had a significant impact the failed policies of the Newman Government.  It takes time to sort it and catch up.

They cut NGR from 100 to 75 six car trains for example. They abandoned the bike path to Springfield Central.  They rooted the NGR design (being fixed).
They set up QR for staff issues.  They botched MBRL (RPL). Newman sacked his mate who he made as DG TMR when elected for what reason?  The truth has never really came out. They rolled over like turtles on bus reform (no disrespect meant to turtles), they failed to sort the fares properly. They set up Springfield railway with abysmal feeder bus arrangements (still rooted in the main .. ).

They destroyed Cross River Rail for years with brain farts.

Politics is shonky, all sides sadly and it is organisations such as QR and the travelling public that wear it in the end.

It will not help attacking QR at all.  It is not their fault in essence.

If the public only knew ..

[BrizCommuter]

(Non-draft) Inner North timetable has finally appeared on TransLink's website.

[ozbob]

(Non-draft) Inner North timetable has finally appeared on TransLink's website.

  >> https://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/timetables/161004-inner-north.pdf

[ozbob]

http://www.queenslandrail.com.au/forcustomers/otr/dailyotr

[techblitz]

just made the 3.18 inbound train @ richlands along with 6 * route 460 passengers. 1 hour till the next inbound!.

[ozbob]

just made the 3.18 inbound train @ richlands along with 6 * route 460 passengers. 1 hour till the next inbound!.

Winning TB!   

{ otherwise it would be off to the Lions Club for a ' refreshment ' ...    }

[BrizCommuter]

just made the 3.18 inbound train @ richlands along with 6 * route 460 passengers. 1 hour till the next inbound!.

So much for TransLink's comments about the next train being within 15 minutes. 

[BrizCommuter]

And you can thank the Newman government and their recruitment freeze (among other major staffing changes for the worse), putting QR even further behind the 8-ball.

Yes thanks.

Really has had a significant impact the failed policies of the Newman Government.  It takes time to sort it and catch up.

They cut NGR from 100 to 75 six car trains for example. They abandoned the bike path to Springfield Central.  They rooted the NGR design (being fixed).
They set up QR for staff issues.  They botched MBRL (RPL). Newman sacked his mate who he made as DG TMR when elected for what reason?  The truth has never really came out. They rolled over like turtles on bus reform (no disrespect meant to turtles), they failed to sort the fares properly. They set up Springfield railway with abysmal feeder bus arrangements (still rooted in the main .. ).

They destroyed Cross River Rail for years with brain farts.

Politics is shonky, all sides sadly and it is organisations such as QR and the travelling public that wear it in the end.

It will not help attacking QR at all.  It is not their fault in essence.

If the public only knew ..

After all these cancellations, maybe we need a free fare day, paid for from LNP coffers?

[techblitz]

just made the 3.18 inbound train @ richlands along with 6 * route 460 passengers. 1 hour till the next inbound!.

Winning TB!   

{ otherwise it would be off to the Lions Club for a ' refreshment ' ...    }

[SurfRail]

(Non-draft) Inner North timetable has finally appeared on TransLink's website.

Shorncliffe timetable still not updated.  Can't be that bloody difficult guys.

[red dragin]

Wife mentioned today that there has been a noticeable drop (shift) in passengers and cars at Dakabin since the RPL opened.

[verbatim9]

After all these cancellations, maybe we need a free fare day, paid for from LNP coffers?

I don't think we need a free Fare day but a serious look at the Saturday timetable to ensure people can get to and from work as well as the general public being able to get around from Dec 1;  Due to the new permanent extended Retail Trading Hours.

[BrizCommuter]

Wife mentioned today that there has been a noticeable drop (shift) in passengers and cars at Dakabin since the RPL opened.

Which is interesting since the Dakabin trains are more express. Maybe Dakabin must be a longer driving time, or has more seats available? 

[BrizCommuter]

Wife mentioned today that there has been a noticeable drop (shift) in passengers and cars at Dakabin since the RPL opened.

Which is interesting since the Dakabin trains are more express. Maybe Dakabin must be a longer driving time, or has less seats available?

[red dragin]

A lot of cars came across plantation Rd from north Lakes. I'd say they moved to the RPL stations closer to North Lakes. The opening of the final north Lakes stage of the North south Arterial made the stations a lot more car accessible too.

For us, Kallangur is marginally closer, but the time lost changing or all stopping is far greater than the drive to Dakabin.

About to go for a ride on the new line this afternoon 

[red dragin]

5 minutes late into Petrie, extra long dwell at Mango Hill had us 6 minutes late into Kippa-Ring, no chance of making the one minute for the return service.

[wbj]

Wife mentioned today that there has been a noticeable drop (shift) in passengers and cars at Dakabin since the RPL opened.

Dakabin Station Action Group says a drop of 50-80 parkers post Redcliffe opening - still 400+ parking at and around the station.  Confirms my impression that there hasn't been a substantial drop in parkers yet.  I think a couple of more weeks before the impact on Dakabin stablises.  The benefit of an express service without changeover at Petrie would keep patronage at Dakabin compared with Kallangur and Murrumba Downs.

[BrizCommuter]

5 minutes late into Petrie, extra long dwell at Mango Hill had us 6 minutes late into Kippa-Ring, no chance of making the one minute for the return service.

Could this be the cause of constant late arrivals into Kippa-Ring
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2015/11/kippa-ring-crossover-crazyness.html