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Redcliffe Peninsula line & associated changes - rail
« on: September 07, 2016, 10:46:22 AM »
TransLink > http://translink.com.au/about-translink/projects-and-initiatives/moreton-bay-rail-link

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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2016, 10:51:03 AM »
From 4th October 2016

Redcliffe Peninsula line timetable  > http://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/timetables/161004-redcliffe-peninsula.pdf

Caboolture line timetable  > http://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/timetables/161004-caboolture.pdf

Sunshine Coast line timetable  > http://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/timetables/161004-sunshine-coast.pdf

Inner city train timetable  > http://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/resources/about-translink/projects-initiatives/mbrl/inner-north-draft-timetable.PDF

Changes at Nundah, Toombul, Wooloowin and Albion stations

Caboolture and Sunshine Coast services will run express all day between Petrie and Bowen Hills, stopping only at Northgate and Eagle Junction stations, significantly reducing travel times by up to 13 minutes for outer urban commuters.

Redcliffe Peninsula Line trains will also run express between Northgate and Bowen Hills, stopping only at Eagle Junction station to provide a reduced journey time for commuters.

These changes mean there will be a slight service decrease at Nundah, Toombul, Wooloowin and Albion stations.
Peak service frequency

To maintain high service frequency for customers at these stations, 17 extra daily peak services will be introduced to run between Northgate and Roma Street stations, with an extra nine in the morning peak and eight in the afternoon peak.

These additional Northgate to Roma Street services will mean frequency during peak times will remain as high as every six minutes or better at Albion and Wooloowin stations and every 7.5 minutes at Nundah and Toombul stations.

Albion and Wooloowin stations will also continue to be serviced by Shorncliffe, Airport and Doomben line trains and will still be among the most frequently serviced stations in peak times on the Citytrain network - ranked in the top seven per cent - or 9th and 11th respectively out of 146 stations.

Nundah and Toombul stations will also continue to be serviced by Shorncliffe line trains and will still have more peak services than three quarters of the train network. Service levels at these stations will be comparable to other stations the same distance from the CBD, such as Cannon Hill, Corinda and Mitchelton.

Off-peak service frequency

There are currently some service gaps of up to 23 minutes in off-peak services at these stations. By introducing the extra services between Northgate and Roma Street stations, trains will consistently run every 15 minutes in off-peak and on weekends.
Customer loading

Customers at Nundah, Toombul, Wooloowin and Albion stations will have a better chance of getting a seat in peak hours if boarding a Northgate to Roma Street service, departing every 15 minutes in core peak times (7.30am - 8.30am and 4.30pm - 5.30pm). Services from these stations will also run every half hour or better for the remainder of the day.
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Redcliffe Peninsula line & associated changes - rail
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2016, 11:26:49 AM »
TransLink > http://translink.com.au/about-translink/projects-and-initiatives/moreton-bay-rail-link



Would be nice if they told people, who in qld are generally idiotic when it comes to PT, that if you want woolowin or albion that changing at Eagle Junction is a far between option.

Would also be nice if they increased the 2tph to the airport in off peak to 4tph and having doomben at 2tph on a saturday to help maintain a somewhat acceptable frequency between EJ and Bown hills on weekends. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2016, 05:23:55 PM »
Would be nice if QR could warn passengers which train services will be relegated to 3-car sardine cans!

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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2016, 06:39:53 PM »
^ Used to be good when the train numbers were actually shown in the timetable and you could work it out from the codes.
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Re: Redcliffe Peninsula line & associated changes - rail
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2016, 09:29:11 AM »
For peak I think it's quite good for those using Nundah but am I correct in saying we lose out for off-peak and weekend train frequencies?
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2016, 09:36:30 AM »
For peak I think it's quite good for those using Nundah but am I correct in saying we lose out for off-peak and weekend train frequencies?

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15 minute service frequency off peak and weekends. Not much wrong with that.
http://translink.com.au/about-translink/projects-and-initiatives/moreton-bay-rail-link

Extra services being run between Northgate and Roma St.
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Re: Redcliffe Peninsula line & associated changes - rail
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2016, 10:03:20 AM »
For peak I think it's quite good for those using Nundah but am I correct in saying we lose out for off-peak and weekend train frequencies?

Welcome!

15 minute service frequency off peak and weekends. Not much wrong with that.
http://translink.com.au/about-translink/projects-and-initiatives/moreton-bay-rail-link

Extra services being run between Northgate and Roma St.
Yes, 15 min service frequency off peak and weekends is quite good for heavy rail, but given proximity to the CBD and huge residential development occurring at Nundah, they should really try and improve this in the future. What are the passenger figures like at Northgate? From what I can tell Nundah would in the next year or two have a significantly higher population living around the train station than Northgate, which has all lines servicing it.
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2016, 10:23:38 AM »
Roma St <> Darra, which includes Milton Taringa and Toowong, Indooroopilly is 15 minute off peak generally too. 

Best you are going to get for a while.  Folks out west seem to manage OK.  Trains pretty full too!
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2016, 10:24:29 AM »
Nundah/Toombul won't miss out on much in the new timetable in off-peak. Weekdays it will have two less trains per hour per direction, but those trains currently leave 3-4mins ahead of the next train from Northgate to the City. Weekends and nights, they will have a proper 15min frequency instead of the current uneven 4 trains per hour. Northgate is ised as the stopping point due to that being the junction station for Caboolture/Shorncliffe mostly. Same with Darra on the west side.
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2016, 12:31:28 PM »
Seems they've listened to earlier feedback I've put in regards to the draft Nambour-Caboolture railbus timetables, most southbound services has been retimed (changed from the original draft) so it doesn't meet those trains that originate from Nambour at Caboolture.

As a result, some of the Southbound railbuses runs run express between Landsborough and Caboolture, plus some AM Northbound railbuses run express between Landsborough and Nambour.

http://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/timetables/161004-sunshine-coast.pdf
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2016, 12:43:10 PM »
Good job Arnz!   :bu :lo :bu
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2016, 02:19:33 PM »
Would be nice if QR could warn passengers which train services will be relegated to 3-car sardine cans!
At some stations on the ferny grove line, the staff have highlighted the 3 car services on the large printed timetables for the morning peak.  At keperra at least, they haven't actually said that the highlighted trains are 3 car, I sort of just figured it out.

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2016, 10:39:39 AM »
Would be nice if QR could warn passengers which train services will be relegated to 3-car sardine cans!
At some stations on the ferny grove line, the staff have highlighted the 3 car services on the large printed timetables for the morning peak.  At keperra at least, they haven't actually said that the highlighted trains are 3 car, I sort of just figured it out.
Yes, but it is all a bit half-arsed and unofficial. Rail operators such as C2C in the UK show the train length for each service on their timetable.

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2016, 04:50:29 PM »
To enter the ballot to ride the first train departing from Kippa-Ring

>> https://www.ivvy.com/event/BPL/home.html

To book seats on the shuttles

>>> https://www.ivvy.com/event/MBRO/
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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2016, 05:00:04 PM »
I have booked on the 11.30am shuttle ex Petrie.

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Please print your tickets and bring with you on the day. Please click here here

The car parks will be open at the stations, however parking will be limited. We’re encouraging people to walk along the shared path to familiarise yourself with the new stations if possible.

Please note that bike rack facilities at all stations are limited, and bikes will not be allowed on-board free shuttle trains if these services are at capacity. Please keep this in mind when planning your travel to your nominated station.

The shuttle train will run between Kippa-Ring station and Petrie station, stopping at each station. You can hop on at your chosen station and ride the train up and down the line, back to your station.

You can login here to view your registration.

If you have forgotten your password or don't have one yet, we can create a new one for you here.

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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2016, 05:17:25 PM »
I'm going bright and early (10am out, 11am back).

I suspect they are being cautious to try and manage demand to prevent a repeat of the massive patronage figures for GCLR Day 1 (which is still its busiest ever day I believe - 80,000+).  They even needed to put on buses to cope and get people back to their starting point.

I hope this is publicised well though, otherwise you will either get a lot of rightly irritable punters, or they will just abandon the system and make it free for all.

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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2016, 05:40:14 PM »
I will probably take my grand-daughter so leisurely day.

I will go out during the first week and do a bit of station hopping and path walking ...
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2016, 05:56:43 PM »
There is a track closure Corinda out 1 - 3 Oct 2016.   Brilliant!

> https://preview.translink.com.au/service-updates/90151

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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2016, 06:36:52 PM »
And I reading the track closure timetable correctly.  It says that under the additional services bit, on the weekend the shorncliffe line runs every 30 minutes.  Does that mean no extra trains, or 2 extra trains an hour?   

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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2016, 07:46:02 PM »
I'm also going to be on the 10am train. I'd enter the ballot, although I think I heard somewhere that they're restricting it to people in the local area only, or something of that order.
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2016, 07:50:46 PM »
I'm also going to be on the 10am train. I'd enter the ballot, although I think I heard somewhere that they're restricting it to people in the local area only, or something of that order.

Yep, locals only. 

We'll be away so won't bother entering the ballot.

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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2016, 06:52:49 AM »
I have booked on the 11.30am shuttle ex Petrie.

I and a few others have as well. Plan on catching the Caboolture train at Toombul @ 10:20

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2016, 09:38:14 AM »
I'm booked on the 12:30 shuttle from Petrie. Is the new timetable effective on the day of opening? I imagine so?
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2016, 10:17:36 AM »
Starts 4th October.  :-t

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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2016, 07:56:17 AM »
some feedback/complaints starting to come through on social media already on the new services eg: loading levels.
reports of at least 50 up to 100 people @ toombul trying to get onto the 7.33 inbound
trains coming from Redcliffe seem to be struggling by Carseldine station.
Also 7.11 train full @ Dakabin.
Pax at Zillmere choosing to wait for next train at Zillmere due to train being too full.

Early days yet....probably many extra taking the train to see what its like.....numbers will hopefully be less tomorrow...

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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2016, 08:15:34 AM »
Reports from work colleagues on some severely overcrowded services this morning (unable to ascertain exact services). 6:54 ex Shorncliffe 3-car was much busier than usual and likely to be full on some days.

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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2016, 08:18:23 AM »
Always going to happen when a new timetable starts. Hopefully things should ease as the week goes on and things even out a bit in the coming weeks.
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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2016, 08:25:54 AM »
Drove into Caboolture this morning and decided to catch the 6:47am.  Standees flowing into the aisles in the front 3 cars upon departing Petrie, I'm assuming the back 3 cars are similar considering the layouts at stations between Narangba and Morayfield which has most people waiting at the back 3-cars on the inbound platforms.
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« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2016, 08:38:31 AM »
Amused by the lady who didn't know about the P315 change on social media.

Any reports of existing trains services being chopped in half? Northgate starters seem to be 3-car as expected.

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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2016, 09:28:17 AM »
Peak Northgate starting services not shown on any .pdf timetable (should be on Shorncliffe Line timetable)

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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2016, 09:37:31 AM »
^ yep translink need to get their stuff together and update the journey planner....the pdfs are fine but if somone checks the timetable online they are greeted with those cannon hill terminators??

http://jp.translink.com.au/travel-information/network-information/trains/T/caboolture-line

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Thats great for Redcliffe commuters Translink, but how about getting your social media "team" to fix the website for the Caboolture line because off peak trains are shown as running only every hour from Caboolture, but the reality is they are every 30 mnutes. Come on social media team, check and proof read info before you post it. It is very confusing when a PDF timetable shows half hourly service, but the main information page shows every hour. Confusing in the extreme, people do not know what is correct.

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Hi ***, thanks for the feedback. I took a look at the PDF timetable and it is showing trains to Caboolture leaving half hourly during off-peak. Am I missing something? I was looking at this one http://translink.com.au/.../timetables/161004-caboolture.pdf -***
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« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2016, 10:02:09 AM »
Peak Northgate starting services not shown on any .pdf timetable (should be on Shorncliffe Line timetable)

Shown on the "Inner-City" pdf timetable..  Agreed it should be shown on the Shorncliffe timetables though.
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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2016, 10:41:37 AM »
Peak Northgate starting services not shown on any .pdf timetable (should be on Shorncliffe Line timetable)

Shown on the "Inner-City" pdf timetable..  Agreed it should be shown on the Shorncliffe timetables though.
I can't see this inner city timetable pdf on TransLink's website

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« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2016, 10:41:47 AM »
Peak Northgate starting services not shown on any .pdf timetable (should be on Shorncliffe Line timetable)

The other stupid thing is that Northgate services show up in the Caboolture timetable on the website - before today they had nothing to do with the Caboolture line, and even more so now.
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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2016, 10:48:21 AM »
Just to add that the Caboolture and Redcliffe pdf timetables say please refer to Shorncliffe Line timetable for stations between Northgate and Eagle Jn and Bowen Hills. Usual half-arsed information that we expect from TransLink.

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« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2016, 10:51:40 AM »
^ Not seeing the issue with that one.
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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2016, 11:01:32 AM »
Peak Northgate starting services not shown on any .pdf timetable (should be on Shorncliffe Line timetable)

The other stupid thing is that Northgate services show up in the Caboolture timetable on the website - before today they had nothing to do with the Caboolture line, and even more so now.

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Cannon Hill 

Ipswich 

Cannon Hill 

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that's what shows as the destination so clearly they have mixed things up.....hopefully fixed by today......social media users have given 2 very plain as day hints to TL staff about the discrepancy...

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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2016, 11:06:29 AM »
^ Not seeing the issue with that one.
The issue is that the Northgate starters are missing off all .pdf timetables available on TransLink's website including the Shorncliffe Line timetable that the Cab/Red timetables refer to.

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« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2016, 11:10:42 AM »
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