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HappyTrainGuy

Quote from: James on August 10, 2016, 23:56:25 PM
Quote from: verbatim9 on August 10, 2016, 20:59:05 PMI must admit catching the 333, 332, 330, 331, 341 and 340 each day that there is alot of over crowding due to sheer numbers of commuters @ Chermside, Kelvin Grove and Lutwyche as well as Windsor rail. Metro stage 1 would be best to be built to Lutwyche instead of Herston to make an huge impact. (At the end of the day the overcrowding, delayed and cancelled busses 333 340 330 need to be addressed in the short term.

Is this because the Gympie Rd corridor is so high-demand, or because hundreds of people on the northside drive and park near the Gympie Rd corridor because the bus network up that way is appalling?
I think it is the latter. Bus network reform would go a long way to solving all these problems. Another problem created by lack of network reform which is "solved" by the metro. :fp:

HA! For starters the 330 comes all the way from Bracken Ridge. An area that can have its entire peak hour capacity on 2 trains which runs at a peak frequency higher than the buz standard should have locals being fed directly and as fast as possible into the local heavy railway lines or catching a slower bus to Chermside to interchange onto a higher capacity bus. From my observation the inbound 340's through Aspley are still quite empty for a peak hour buz. Even worse in the arvos (I still remember the old train timetables where the outbound express + inbound 340 was faster than the 340 both starting from Roma Street at the same time).

James has actually hit the nail on teh head. People do drive and park along the 330 and Gympie Road corridor. Its weird seeing cars already starting to park near the roundabout on Ellison road despite Westfield not opening for another 2 hours and so far away from it. Also when you have routes like the 325/335 dumping half its passengers at Chermside (because the 335 takes another 45 minutes to get to the busway at RBWH and the 325 gets stuck on Kelvin Grove Road - same thing in arvo peak they are pretty much empty but when they get to chermside they fill up to max load). Outbound 340s are at standing loads but by the time they get to Aspley they are almost empty. And then you have the 330s. Sometimes they arrive at Chermside and only 5 people get off with the other 50 staying onboard. Bracken Ridge people should not have a direct express bus to the city.

Another issue is the buses that are running. Its a joke that in morning/afternoon peak hour high capacity buses are doing school or 334/336/337/338/358 runs instead of running on the corridors where capacity is needed.

Quite frankly the 111s should be extended to Kedron stopping at all busway stations and all busway stations made pre paid only. No ticket. No boarding. The 333/340 should have more stops along Gympie Road and service all busway stations (its a joke that from KGS you need to transfer onto a different bus at RBWH because the regular buses ignore these stops). Since the 330 is going nowhere it should have more stops added to its Chermside-Bracken Ridge route. While I'm at it so should the 345 prior to Newmarket/Alderley.

PS. Who was the dickhead that stuffed up the designs at Lutyche that only allows 2 buses to stop at the inbound platform?

techblitz

QuoteFrom my observation the inbound 340's through Aspley are still quite empty for a peak hour buz

yep simply because it goes through areas where there is already a vehicle in the garage.....they trialled it and it has failed miserably......not one "overcrowded between Chermside/Carseldine" complaint on facebook for the 340 in the 2-3yrs of HF service....says it all really...

Carseldine rail/340 and buz frequency FAILS as a feeder solution sorry to say.....hindered by the double mess intersections called beams/gympie rd & Hamilton/gympie.....some of the busiest in Brisbane....
My preferred feeder station from chermside is geebung. The 325(for all its peak lateness issues coming from the city) scoots through fairly quickly to geebung from Chermside.


verbatim9

^^No way Chermside - Geebung  then city would take at least 50mins with transfers. Hopefully there will be a metro/LRT to Chermside one day again. (20 min duration max Chermside to CBD) peak times

techblitz

#763
^ im specifically talking about people from north of Chermside getting to Chermside lolz......theres no doubt metro to Chermside needed.

Pointing more to the fact that it is only 9 minutes from Chermside to geebung station(on a bad day no more than 15).....and the 325 isn't susceptible to excessive holdups at intersections between those 2 points.So along with Zillmere station(330-10 mins) it makes for a very good feeder station option......geebung station needs virtually zero upgrading....probs just bus stop rejigging.Easy fix.

Carseldine does have feeding ops for beams rd east of Carseldine but some fat would need to be taken off to get it to Chermside a.s.a.p

The current Carseldine to Chermside is a worrying 23 mins(on a bad day make it 30-35). And for the patronage vs trip time....its not worth buz...

James

Quote from: Derwan on August 12, 2016, 07:51:35 AMThis has been my theory all along.  The whole reason for the metro is to provide the political justification to reform the bus network (i.e. "force" bus reform to occur).

Back in 2013, there was huge opposition to the bus reform proposals because it meant that people had to change - or walk an extra block - or something equally as stupid.  The LNP thought they'd lose the election if they pushed ahead with it - and that's their attitude to this day.  The metro is a way of forcing the issue.  Why else would you spend billions on something that will reduce capacity through part of the network?  By introducing new infrastructure, the LNP will have an excuse for bus reform.  "Oh we have to change the way the bus network functions because of the metro."

I think this is pretty tin-foil hat level stuff.

Emerson cancelled the review in part for the backlash, in part because he was going to have to burn Quirk to proceed with network reform. Rule #1 of politics, don't poo on your mates. So off it went, Emerson dumped it, political heat off, Quirk saviour of the buses, problem solved. If BCC wanted to reform the network, they had the opportunity in 2013 to return to some of the stuff proposed in Stage 2 of the review (which was much softer) or do network reform now, particularly given Schrinner is about to conduct a "review", apparently.

If you wanted to force network reform, there are other ways to do it. Put the metro out along the southern SEB, that's probably where the best efficiencies are to be had. Also note the high level of support for BaT in council, which would have caused bus network reform of the wrong kind (even more waste).
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

ozbob

It is looming as Quack metro vs. CRR in an early state election I reckon.

State LNP has no policies but I figure they will oppose CRR and jump into bed with failure, again. 

ALP had better lift their game, a repeat of the BCC votes shambles will see them consigned back to a Kombi-van instead of bi-artic-Bertie.

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Quote from: techblitz on August 12, 2016, 11:08:07 AM
QuoteFrom my observation the inbound 340's through Aspley are still quite empty for a peak hour buz

yep simply because it goes through areas where there is already a vehicle in the garage.....they trialled it and it has failed miserably......not one "overcrowded between Chermside/Carseldine" complaint on facebook for the 340 in the 2-3yrs of HF service....says it all really...
The real reason the 340 fails is because of Gympie Road and the stop locations. They are too spread out and if you catch it on Gympie Road you can very very easily add 600m+ of walking to your trip. Its a similar reason why I want the 335 to p%ss off Gympie Road, go down Kittyhawke Drive (which means it can say goodbye to the interchange bus parking lot and more importantly flog off that massive scenic tour heading inbound), along Ellison road and then resume its normal running on Kirby Road/Hamilton Road. For it to be a good feeder the 340 needs to go beyond Carseldine railway station.

The sad thing is Translink has had a feeder plan for chermside and the surrounding northern suburbs for ages. But because some nimby who knows how to knit but doesn't use pt suddenly had to walk an extra 200m over in Perth that stuffed it for all living or wanting to use PT on Brisbane's northside. Remember the one loop route they proposed fed into Carseldine, Geebung and Boondall railway stations on top of the Taigum, Chermside and Aspley bus interchange. It also gave the railway some redundancy ie if the Caboolture line went tits up you could just simply transfer to the Shorncliffe line and transfer at Boondall. You could also catch a frequent line bus to Aspley, Taigum or Chermside. It also cut the sh%t out of the routes and provided a network that people could actually use to commute to work or to go to the shops. Every route suddenly had an interchange to a frequent corridor. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Yes the translink network review wasn't perfect and had some massive downfalls over in the west but for the Northside it was being shot forward out of a canon in the right direction.

The 340 should never have been a buz in the first place. It was only buzzed by Labour because they suddenly realised that once the 330 was removed the amount of buses using that infrastructure was next to nothing. Quite frankly the majority of the northside bus routes should be cut and modified and that includes the 330 that everyone hisses out when I mention it.

Quote from: techblitz on August 12, 2016, 13:30:40 PM
Pointing more to the fact that it is only 9 minutes from Chermside to geebung station(on a bad day no more than 15).....and the 325 isn't susceptible to excessive holdups at intersections between those 2 points.So along with Zillmere station(330-10 mins) it makes for a very good feeder station option......geebung station needs virtually zero upgrading....probs just bus stop rejigging.Easy fix.

Carseldine does have feeding ops for beams rd east of Carseldine but some fat would need to be taken off to get it to Chermside a.s.a.p

The current Carseldine to Chermside is a worrying 23 mins(on a bad day make it 30-35). And for the patronage vs trip time....its not worth buz...
Actually. The 325 does have some very big disadvantages. In its current form its very easily prone to delays due to the southern ped crossing on Hamilton Road/Gympie Road. Its also easily delayed City-Chermside. Outside of peak its quite reliable.

And even the proposed translink network had the south of Chermside well looked after with buses going to Chermside or towards the busway at Kedron. On top of the east-west routes which we still don't have in the BCC network or if they are they are run so sh%t that they are designed to fail could 369.



Still p%ssed  that they canned that review. It was such a massive leap forward in public transport for Brisbanes Northside.



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Quote from: verbatim9 on August 12, 2016, 09:48:19 AM
Even with bus reform Queens Wharf will need a metro station. The buses will not cope with the sheer numbers in the precinct. Especially around major events

There would be a perfectly good train station a block or so away.... if CRR ever got off the ground (or "under the ground" as the case may be).

I also think that William Street will be closed to normal traffic during major events.  This would allow exclusive use by buses that could make their way straight onto Victoria Bridge or through Queen St busway (northbound) or the SE Freeway then the Busway (southbound).  (The closure may also include George St.)
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Quote from: Derwan on August 13, 2016, 09:40:15 AM
Quote from: verbatim9 on August 12, 2016, 09:48:19 AM
Even with bus reform Queens Wharf will need a metro station. The buses will not cope with the sheer numbers in the precinct. Especially around major events

There would be a perfectly good train station a block or so away.... if CRR ever got off the ground (or "under the ground" as the case may be).

I also think that William Street will be closed to normal traffic during major events.  This would allow exclusive use by buses that could make their way straight onto Victoria Bridge or through Queen St busway (northbound) or the SE Freeway then the Busway (southbound).  (The closure may also include George St.)
The plan is to have CRR @ Albert St and Metro @ George/William St from the proposals.

Derwan

Quote from: verbatim9 on August 13, 2016, 10:07:03 AM
The plan is to have CRR @ Albert St and Metro @ George/William St from the proposals.

Is it?  Which plan was that?

Of course - Brisbane won't have a metro any time soon.  :)
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QuoteOf course - Brisbane won't have a metro any time soon. 

What, Derwan? BEHOLD THE FUTURE!!


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More hope than actuality ...  :hc

Quote... Given the scale of the projects, it was clear that (barring any unforeseen construction difficulties) Brisbane in 2022 would be a very different city to the one seen today.  ...

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In the case of the Quack metro, the construction difficulties are not ' unforseen ' they are known.

Victoria Bridge and inner busways are not suitable for a metro of the real required capacity, even a rubber tyre one.

No way will the state government give over the busways for a solution that takes the network backwards in capacity, nor give up the site at Woolloongabba for ' metro stabling ' ...

Very telling is that there has not  been one transport expert in support of the pipe-dream but plenty pointing out the sheer folly.

Absolute nonsense is the quacker and needs to be called out for what it is.
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Brisbane bus network remains shambolic

Greetings,

It is amazing that the Brisbane bus network remains shambolic.

The Quirk Metro proposal will cost billions of dollars and will actually deliver less capacity than the present network (1).  BCC has bulked at network reform because they claim people do not want to transfer, and now propose massive transfers with a half-baked metro proposal.

Classic double-think.  Idiotic to say the least.

Bus network reform will:

1. Reduce CBD bus congestion and delays.

2. Allow more buses to be deployed to the suburbs to improve coverage, frequency and help mobilise our community.

3. Improve the overall efficiency of our public transport network (all modes) and allow further scope for fare reform.

4. Is essentially cost neutral, will save billions of dollars.  Money that would be wasted on the metro could be redeployed to other more pressing projects.

Bus reform such as http://tiny.cc/newnetwork is required, now.

Bus network reform will allow time for a mature future vision and a coherent plan to be developed for mass transit for Brisbane.

Best wishes,

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ozbob

It is a beautiful example of ' double think ' the good old quacker.

Refractory to proper network reform because Quirk et al. claim ' people do not like to transfer ' whilst simultaneously proposing wholesale network reform with massive transfers.

This shows up the absolute hypocrisy and seriously flawed transport thinking and policy vacuum that is Brisbane.

Good luck!   :fp:

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Another video animation.  :pfy:

Where are the video animations showing flying cars, jumping unicorns, and rainbows over the city?

Anyone can predict, expect, project, envision, propose, anything. Future states are not facts.

Facts exist only in the present and the past.

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Derwan

Quote from: verbatim9 on August 15, 2016, 17:05:47 PM
Brisbane Metro included in New 2022 vision for Brisbane http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/interactive-brisbanes-skyline-to-be-transformed-in-2022-20160815-gqsixb.html

That only talks about the LNP metro plan - which doesn't have a proposed station anywhere near Queens Wharf.  (Or am I missing something?)

Edit:  Sorry - I thought you were responding to my question.
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Quote(Or am I missing something?)

Slip of the tongue?

Easiest thing is to alter the alignment of the metro, which would avoid Victoria Bridge issues and allow larger rail vehicles to be used.

Maybe that is their plan. Who knows? It would be a good location for a metro station with 1 William Street, QUT and the casino all generating mass patronage.

No harm in asking though!
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There is no way the council can fund the ' quack ' metro ...  ???

Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane City Council to miss financial sustainability targets

QuoteBrisbane City Council will fail to meet all of its long-term financial sustainability targets for the foreseeable future, documents tabled at City Hall on Tuesday have revealed.

But the Quirk administration has insisted the council is on a sound financial footing based on more applicable benchmarks.

The audited figures showed the council would miss two of three Queensland Audit Office benchmarks (asset sustainability ratio and net financial liabilities ratio) every year until 2025.

The operating surplus ratio, which had a target of between 0 and 10 per cent, was met in 2016, but would drop to below 0 per cent between 2017 and 2021. ...
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This is "End Stage" Blue Team Administration.

Graham Quirk has been a good leader and so forth. But the problem now is that nobody is applying the brakes to what is obvious bad policy.

When one party is in power for too long, the rot sets in. Periodic removal is required for renewal.

It is time for someone new at city hall. New faces.

Red team did not make a proper effort running with ridiculous PT policy that didn't pass the 'does this make basic sense' test.
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Marshal

Quote from: LD Transit on August 31, 2016, 04:14:26 AM
This is "End Stage" Blue Team Administration.

Graham Quirk has been a good leader and so forth. But the problem now is that nobody is applying the brakes to what is obvious bad policy.

When one party is in power for too long, the rot sets in. Periodic removal is required for renewal.

It is time for someone new at city hall. New faces.

Red team did not make a proper effort running with ridiculous PT policy that didn't pass the 'does this make basic sense' test.

I swear labor's entire argument for their light rail proposal was "Gold Coast has trams and they're really cool! Lets get some!". Compared to that Quirk' metro seemed a no brainer, but the blunt to the point analysis you guys have done on the flaws is a tad depressing......

ozbob

The Labor BCC votes campaign was grossly inept Marshal.  I am glad you recognise that.

The ' quack ' metro as proposed will never be built.  It was a slick political con job gobbled up by an incompetent biased media.
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This and the BAT proposal, which the Liberals subsequently conceded would never be built, shows the depths to which politicians are willing to sink to in this state in order to create, cynically, a false climate of optimism with the aim of retaining power and gaining votes.  They ignore the practical and the doable, continuing to peddle glossy brochures and video fly-throughs of projects that, in all probability, won't be built.

Look at the lack of emphasis on business planning for projects and judge whether they wish to see any idea flourish beyond the dream stage.  They have no money and don't want to face up to how to pay for things.  Solutions exist, but they fail to grasp them.  The fiscal imbalance in government finances means there is a blame game over who funds what and leads to Queensland every now and then shouting GIVE US THE MONEY to create the false impression that something is happening.  Occasionally (Springfield Line, Kippa Ring Line, GC light rail) worthwhile projects pop out, but no-where near at a pace to keep up with population and freight movement growth, such that economic activity is hampered.  Our liveability standards suffer.

The mass transit focus is skewed to roads because that is where the federal government, through its spending strategies, directs that money should be spent.  The state responds by directing local and near region traffic to those roads the federal government funds (Ipswich Motorway, M1, Bruce Highway, Gateway Arterial) whereas better and cheaper traffic solutions lie in investing in state roads.  It affects the pattern of settlement (Aura, Ripley Valley etc) -- just plonk more satellite cities along the string of federally-funded roads and let that level of government address the transit needs through roads-based solutions.

A complete re-think is required, and fairly urgently.

techblitz

looks like go-print is a no-go for quirks metro courtesy of the state gov.....

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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-metro-project-dead-in-current-form/news-story/39352b58f6ee37c9dc852634ba416d01

QuoteTHE $1.5 billion Brisbane Metro is dead in its current form after the State Government ruled out handing over a site crucial to the project.

The former Go Print site at Woolloongabba has been identified for use in both the $5.4 billion Cross River Rail and Brisbane City Council's rapid transit system.

The state-owned site is slated as a key urban renewal opportunity and station for Cross River Rail but the Metro, in its current form, ­requires part of the ground level for a stabling yard for its rolling stock.

But Deputy Premier and Infrastructure Minister Jackie Trad has ruled out giving the council access to the site for its project.
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verbatim9

Oh! looks like a new route alignment for Brisbane Metro!?

aldonius

One can only hope. Maybe the next iteration won't be such a big step backwards.

ozbob

The ' Quack ' metro as proposed is an absurdity we all know.

We have always said the plan to place stabling at the Go Print site would never happen.  Finally the Government is starting to call out the ' Quack ' metro for what it is.  The need to go further than this though. 
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The ' Quirk Metro ' is a con and waste - confirmed

Good Morning,

As we have constantly pointed out the proposed ' Quirk Metro ' is an absurdity.

Finally the State Government has started to point this out.

Today's Courier Mail has this piece:  Brisbane Metro project dead in current form
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/brisbane-metro-project-dead-in-current-form/news-story/39352b58f6ee37c9dc852634ba416d01

The proposed ' metro ' has always been dead because it delivers less capacity than the inner core of the busways that it proposes to replace.  There are many other reasons why it will never happen.

One has to question why Brisbane City Council would waste big dollars on such an absurd proposal? The metro as proposed simply does not stack up.

Profligate waste to say the least in our opinion.

What is needed now is bus network reform.  A process that is essentially cost neutral and will deliver huge gains for public transport in Brisbane and SEQ.

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4th August 2016 resent 3 September 2016

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Good Morning,

So Lord Mayor doesn't want to contribute to Cross River Rail*, but is apparently prepared to waste billions of dollars on a half-baked ' metro ' project that will wreck Brisbane's public transport?

Bus network reform does not cost billions of dollars and will dramatically improve public transport outcomes for Brisbane and with positive flow on effects for all of SEQ.

It is time the Brisbane media stopped swallowing the ' metro '  bull-dust and did some basic research.

Problems with the Quirk ' Metro ' as proposed:

1.  Delivers less capacity than the present busways - fatal flaw**.  Proposed metro is only a capacity of 9000 passengers/hour/direction.  Busways deliver 15,000 passengers/hour/direction.

2.  Is under-costed, grossly in our opinion. We challenge the Lord Mayor to sign a cost explosion indemnification agreement, guaranteeing that any cost overrun on the project ( over $1.5 BN) will be borne solely by BCC.

3.  Absolutely wrecks the inner-city busway network. Stops one station short of RBWH Hospital (to save costs?)

4.  Is very doubtful if Victoria Bridge can be used due to the significant weight of metro trains, track and electrical systems.  Use of Victoria Bridge precludes any further network improvements.

5.  Is not driverless as proposed. If changed to automatic then cost of stations etc. increases massively. Comparisons with Sydney Metro make this abundantly clear.

6.  State owns and controls the busway infrastructure.  It is unlikely that a State Government of any political persuasion would allow the busway system to be wrecked for a system that delivers less capacity than the current network!

7.  Proposed Quirk ' metro ' depot site is state owned and is actually earmarked for CRR.

The absolute minimum capacity for a train to reach the touted 30,000 passengers/hour quoted in the BCC election vote-bait material is 750 passengers per train. The Lord Mayor is suggesting trains with a capacity 2.5x lower, that is 300 passengers/train.

Bus reform http://tiny.cc/newnetwork is required, now. Bus network reform will allow time for a mature future vision and plan to be developed.

Bus network reform is essentially cost neutral, we do not have to waste billions of dollars on pipe dream schemes.

Start bus network reform today!

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Robert

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* https://tenplay.com.au/news/brisbane/2016/8/3/premier-and-lord-mayor-butt-heads-over-river-rail-crossing

** Quirk ' Metro ' Capacity Calculation

1 hour = 60 minutes = 3600 seconds. World's best practise train throughput is a train every 90 seconds. 3600 seconds / 90 sec = 40 trains per hour.

Therefore 30,000 passengers/hour divided by 40 trains/hour = 750 passengers per train (absolute minimum).

Lord Mayor Graham Quirk's Metro is 300 pax/train as proposed.

Run every 2 minutes (as announced in election) 30 trains / hour x 300 pax/train = 9000 passengers/hour/direction - a backward step for the network.

Even under the most extreme assumptions, the metro would have less capacity than the busway and be at capacity on opening day.

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Such a stupid project and a waste of ratepayers money!! I'm glad Trad has said there is no chance of them getting the go print site.

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And there is no way they will give over the inner busway core either ..
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Deputy Premier Trad dumps Quirk's Metro Depot!

RAIL Back on Track welcomes Deputy Premier Jackie Trad's rejection of Brisbane City Council's pitch for a  ' metro ' depot at the State Government's Woolloongabba GoPrint site.

This is an excellent decision by the Deputy Premier. The site is completely inappropriate for a train depot. It would have also precluded the site from potential use as an Olympic stadium or athletes village site.

The Lord Mayor's ' metro ' proposal has garnered unanimous condemnation among RAIL Back on Track members.

We are not per se opposed to a metro, or any other technology. However, we just can't see how a reduction in busway capacity from 12 000 - 15 000 passengers per hour per direction to 9000 passengers per hour per direction by this ' metro ' is an improvement.

Why should taxpayers pay $1.5 billion plus to reduce passenger capacity? It makes absolutely no sense to us at all.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk should direct Brisbane City Council to reform its failing bus network.

Indeed, we submitted our New Bus Network Proposal http://tiny.cc/newnetwork to Brisbane City Council in November 2014.

RAIL Back on Track will not stand idly by while our essential public bus network is wrecked.

Thank you Deputy Premier Trad for your strong and decisive leadership on this issue.

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