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First morning weekday services to CBD
« on: January 21, 2016, 04:38:45 PM »
From current timetables at http://translink.com.au/

Varsity Lakes 4.10am   Central 5.29am

Beenleigh 4.18am Central 5.18am

Caboolture 3.52am Central 4.56am

Cleveland 4.39am Central 5.41am*

Doomben  5.58am Central 6.21am

Ferny Grove 5.02am  Central 5.33am*

Ipswich 4.37am Central 5.35am*

Rosewood 4.15am Central 5.35am*

Shorncliffe 5.09am Central 5.31am

Springfield 5.39am Central 6.20am*

Nambour 4.34am Central 6.22am

Kippa-Ring 3.46am Central 4.41am (draft)


The first Airtrain Services depart Central at 4.31am, 5.01am, 5.31am, 6.01am.


Ipswich definitely needs a train out of Ipswich 4.07am.

Ferny Grove could do with a train at 4.32am.

Springfield needs a departure at 5.09am, and possibly 4.39am as well.

Cleveland possibly at 4.09am.

ummm,  there are ' haves ' and ' have-nots '  hey?   :o
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2016, 05:05:31 PM »
Amazing the number of lines that miss Airport connections.  The earliest you can get to the Airport from Ipswich is 6.25am ...
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2016, 05:59:28 PM »
Interestingly enough, even though the only line that gives a connection to the first Airtrain is the Caboolture line (at EJ, and is very, very ,very tight), there are still a reasonable amount of people on that first one, at least there was last time I worked it around a year ago.

But overal, yes, the west does get a pretty raw deal with regards to first services. Ipswich could most certainly do with at least one earlier service, possibly even two. Springfield gets a pretty raw deal on both first and last services, with the last train departing Bowen Hills M-F at 2337, Sa 2307 and Su 2237. Pretty bad when the first train from Doomben gets in 1min later than the first from Springfield!
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2016, 06:02:36 PM »
I would like to see the differences between Saturday and Sunday timetables basically abolished everywhere except for late night services which do not need to run on Sunday nights / Monday mornings, and maybe the Gympie North runs. 

It's criminal that Doomben is not open on Sundays, even Tonsley is now going to be more useful.  It cannot cost that much in terms of rollingstock, trains paths or crew to have a 3-car only service on for at least the current Saturday hours.

Should have a "last drinks" thread as well.  Long term the Gold Coast could do with a few late departures from Central.  5 days a week, the last train leaves at 10:59, which I consider to be a bit early.  Currently there is a 23:29 and a 24:29 on Friday PM / Saturday AM, and there are 23:29, 23:59 and 24:29 services on Saturday PM / Sunday AM. 


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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2016, 06:11:09 PM »

But overal, yes, the west does get a pretty raw deal with regards to first services. Ipswich could most certainly do with at least one earlier service, possibly even two. Springfield gets a pretty raw deal on both first and last services, with the last train departing Bowen Hills M-F at 2337, Sa 2307 and Su 2237. Pretty bad when the first train from Doomben gets in 1min later than the first from Springfield!

Yo, I thought it was a little unbalanced so I sat down and noted all the times.  Ipswich and Springfield lines are getting a raw deal, and we still have the one hour frequency on the Sunday mornings too.  It is reasonable I think to press for improvements for these lines.
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2016, 06:55:59 PM »
I would like to see the differences between Saturday and Sunday timetables basically abolished everywhere except for late night services which do not need to run on Sunday nights / Monday mornings, and maybe the Gympie North runs. 

It's criminal that Doomben is not open on Sundays, even Tonsley is now going to be more useful.  It cannot cost that much in terms of rollingstock, trains paths or crew to have a 3-car only service on for at least the current Saturday hours.

Should have a "last drinks" thread as well.  Long term the Gold Coast could do with a few late departures from Central.  5 days a week, the last train leaves at 10:59, which I consider to be a bit early.  Currently there is a 23:29 and a 24:29 on Friday PM / Saturday AM, and there are 23:29, 23:59 and 24:29 services on Saturday PM / Sunday AM.

Agreed. A weekend and a weekday timetable need to be implemented, with extra trains Fri night/Sat morning and Sat night/Sun morning. Also, last train M-Sat shouldn't leave the City on any line before midnight, IMO (or, at the very least, no earlier than 2345). Sun night, no earlier than around 2300 I think.
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2016, 05:16:21 AM »
Amazing the number of lines that miss Airport connections.  The earliest you can get to the Airport from Ipswich is 6.25am ...

Agree with that - people should be able to arrive at the airport from most lines by 6am.

I think the major focus should be getting consistent weekend timetables. Since the timetable changes, Ipswich/Springfield is the main line affected by this. It is frustrating that the services don't become 'frequent' on the inner section until 10am on Sunday morning.
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2016, 04:35:08 AM »
Letter to the Editor Queensland Times 23rd January 2016 page 27

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2016, 07:00:12 AM »
Definitely agree with earlier train on the Ipswich line. There are many people who work in roles that kick off at 6 - 6.30am which is fine if you only have single mode of travel however once you have to change to another train or bus then 6am starts are out and 6.30am starts are dicey.

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2016, 07:04:43 AM »
Indeed.  If Ippy had some early starters, there could be a couple of early shuttles Springfield Central <> Darra to connect with the early down services at Darra on the Ippy. This would be very conservative of train resources, but still allow early travel on both lines.
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2016, 02:31:32 PM »
Proposed Frequency

Gold Coast Peak 10 minutes Off Peak 15 minutes
Cleveland Peak 10 minutes Off Peak 15 minutes
Shorncliffe Peak 15 minutes off peak 15 minutes
Beenleigh Peak 10 minutes from beenleigh 5 minutes from Kuraby Off peak 15
Ferny Grove Peak 5-10 minutes Off Peak 15 minutes
Airport Peak 15 minutes of peak 15 minutes
Caboolture peak 5-10 minutes Off peak 15 minutes
Kippa Ring Peak 5-10 minutes Off peak 15 minutes
Ipswich Peak 5-10 minutes off Peak 15 minutes
Rosewood peak 15 minutes off peak 30 minutes
Springfield Peak 5-10 Minutes off peak 15 minutes
Sunshine Coast Peak 15 minutes off peak 60 minutes
A 5 minute all stop all day service between Roma Street and northgate
Doomben line Removed(track and stations would remain untouched) and only used as a special event service or possibly peak services only

This would mean there would be a 5 minute or better all day service between Park road and Northgate
 
This should really be the bare minimum on all services but i'd like to see eventually an increase to 10 minutes during off Peak


Stopping Patterns

Sunshine coast- all stops to caboolture then express to bowen hills only Stopping at petrie, Northgate and Eagle Junction(Peak)/All stops to Petrie Then Express to Bowen Hills Only Stopping at Northgate and Eagle Junction(Off Peak)
Caboolture- Runs express From petrie to bowen hills only Stopping at petrie, Northgate and Eagle Junction
Kippa Ring- all stops to Northgate then express to Bowen Hills only Stopping at petrie, Northgate and Eagle Junction
Gold Coast-All stops to Beenleigh then express to Park road only stopping at loganlea and coppers Plains
ipswich-all stops to Darra then express to Roma Street only stopping at indooroopilly and Toowong
Cleveland(Peak)- Cleveland to Manly all stops then express to Morningside

All other Trains Stop all Stop
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weekday the first trains should really be arriving between 4:30-5:00 am in at Central

Proposed first Services


Towards Central

Varsity Lakes 3:10am   Central 4:29am

Beenleigh 3:18am Central 4:18am or 4:48am

Caboolture 3:22am Central 4.26am

Cleveland 3:39am Central 4:41am*

Ferny Grove 4:02am  Central 4:33am*

Ipswich 3:37am Central 4:35am*

Rosewood 3:15am Central 4:35am*

Shorncliffe 4:09am Central 4:31am

Springfield 3:39am Central 4:20am*

Nambour 2:59am Central 4:47am

Kippa-Ring 3:31am Central 4.26am

Airport 4:34am 4:59am

From Central

Varsity Lakes 3:29am

Beenleigh 3:04am

Caboolture 3:37am

Cleveland 4:17am

Ferny Grove 4:11am

Ipswich 3:51am

Rosewood 3:51am

Shorncliffe 4:13am

Springfield 4:13am

Nambour 3:25am

Kippa-Ring 4:18am

Airport 4:01am


Nightlink

Beenleigh, Ferny Grove, Caboolture, Ipswich will all run hourly between 1am and 4am on saturday and sunday mornings


possible Additional Late night Train Services From Central

Varsity Lakes 11:29, 11:59, 12:29, 12:59, 1:29, 2:29, 3:29

Beenleigh 11:34,12:04,12:34,1:04,2:04,3:04,4:04

Caboolture 12:07, 12:37,1:07, 2:07, 3:07

Cleveland 12:17, 12:47, 2:47

Ferny Grove 11:56, 12:26, 12:56, 1:56, 2:56, 3:56

Ipswich 12:28, 12:58, 1:28, 2:28, 3:28

Shorncliffe 12:13, 12:43

Springfield 11:43, 12:13, 12:43, 2:13

Nambour 11:02, 12:02

Kippa-Ring 12:22, 12:52, 1:22, 2:22


From my perspective this is what i would do
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2016, 03:18:11 PM »
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Gold Coast Peak 10 minutes Off Peak 15 minutes
Beenleigh Peak 10 minutes from beenleigh 5 minutes from Kuraby Off peak 15

Does that mean 5mins ex Kuraby, inclusive of the ex Beenleigh trains, or 6tph ex Beenleigh PLUS 12tph ex Kuraby? Gold Coast already has periods of 7.5min frequency in peak (7m, 8m, 15m, 7m, 8m, 15m), with 7.5min frequency becoming the core frequency for peak once the Coomera to Helensvale duplication is complete. Unsure if Beenleigh can be any more than 15min frequency in peak with this Gold Coast frequency without slowing the Gold Coast trains further. 

Due to infrastructure constraints, 15min Beenleigh and 15min Gold Coast frequency off-peak is unable to be done. 15min to Altandi with two of those continuing to Beenleigh, plus 30min Gold Coast frequency, is about the best that can be done with current infrastructure in the off-peak.

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Cleveland Peak 10 minutes Off Peak 15 minutes

Manly to Cleveland is effectively limited to 15min headways due to single track on this section. 15min in off-peak is not needed Manly to Cleveland, but would be good for City to Manly.

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Caboolture peak 5-10 minutes Off peak 15 minutes
Kippa Ring Peak 5-10 minutes Off peak 15 minutes
Ipswich Peak 5-10 minutes off Peak 15 minutes
Springfield Peak 5-10 Minutes off peak 15 minutes

Already running at 6min frequency in peak (Well, when Kippa Ring line opens, it will, of course).

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Rosewood peak 15 minutes off peak 30 minutes

30min off-peak frequency isn't really needed for Rosewood at this point IMO.

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A 5 minute all stop all day service between Roma Street and northgate

Is this separate to other services, or including other services? If separate, not needed. With Shorncliffe running 15min off-peak should be enough for Nundah and Toombul, adding with the 15min Airport trains to give 7.5min frequency for Wooloowin and Albion (more for Northgate and EJ due to CAB/SC/KPR services stopping there).

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Sunshine coast- all stops to caboolture then express to bowen hills only Stopping at petrie, Northgate and Eagle Junction(Peak)/All stops to Petrie Then Express to Bowen Hills Only Stopping at Northgate and Eagle Junction(Off Peak)

I think the new timetable with the Sunshine Coast services being extentions of the normal Caboolture line services is the best idea for this. Can't run the current 6min frequency from Caboolture and Kippa Ring plus 4tph from Sunny Coast, not enough track capacity. Also, running express Cabololture to Petrie in peak with 6min frequency all stations trains Caboolture to Petrie won't work due to inability for the SC trains to overtake the all stoppers.

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Gold Coast Peak 10 minutes
Cleveland Peak 10 minutes
Beenleigh Peak 10 minutes from beenleigh 5 minutes from Kuraby

If that 5min ex Kuraby includes the trains ex BNH, that gives 24tph northbound through the City. If it is separate, that's 30tph through the City, which isn't possible. 24tph would be pushing it through the City on current infrastructure. That's also assuming all the
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5 minute all stop all day service between Roma Street and northgate
trains in peak are formed by trains coming from other areas. Plus, you'll need at least 4tph ex Manly all stations to the City in peak (with CVN running express), which puts it to at least 28tph, which can't be done.

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Shorncliffe Peak 15 minutes
Ferny Grove Peak 5-10
Airport Peak 15 minutes

Ferny would need to be about 6min freq (I believe it is currently running at 6min peak frequency now), giving 18tph, plus 8tph from Northgate to Roma Street to meet your 5min frequency, gives 26tph, which is also not possible through the City.

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Gold Coast-All stops to Beenleigh then express to Park road only stopping at loganlea and coppers Plains

Why have you got the Gold Coast trains going back to Coopers Plains stops? Altandi is the better option due to much more and better bus connections at Altandi than Coopers Plains.

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ipswich-all stops to Darra then express to Roma Street only stopping at indooroopilly and Toowong

I think the current Darra - Indro - Milton express is the better option than Darra - Indro - Toowong - Roma Street. While yes, Toowong gets a large amount of people catching the train there, 15min frequency caters well for it, especially if there is a good connection at Indro for pax to change between the express and all stations trains. Milton also has a large amount of offices as well as high density residential in the immediate vicinity. Pax traveling to/from UQ along the outer Ippy line can catch the bus from Indooroopilly.

First trains ex-Central don't really need to be any earlier than 4am IMO. This will allow them to get to all suburban terminus' by around 5.30am, which is early enough.

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This should really be the bare minimum on all services but i'd like to see eventually an increase to 10 minutes during off Peak

10min frequency on all lines isn't required off-peak for quite a long time to come. 15min frequency is enough for most lines for the foreseeable future in the off-peak. Once we get that, we can look at increasing frequency where required, but we're a long way away from that.
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2016, 07:44:37 AM »
Letter to the Editor Queensland Times, submitted 19th February 2016

Letter to the Editor QT - early services needed Ipswich and Springfield lines

Dear Editor,

We have previously pointed out that an analysis of the Queensland Rail suburban timetables has revealed that Ipswich and Springfield are being treated poorly in respect of the times of first services in the morning on weekdays.

For example the first train out of Caboolture is 3.52am, Kippa-Ring will be 3.46am.  Compare this to Ipswich, first service at 4.37am, and Springfield first service at 5.39am.

In the case of Ipswich the earliest someone can catch a train from Ipswich and be at Brisbane Airport is 6.25am.  Hardly satisfactory, it is much worse for the Springfield line.

Ipswich line  needs a departure at 4.07am, and possibly 3.37am from Ipswich.  Springfield line needs earlier services, 5.09am and 4.39am departures from Springfield Central would be preferred.

Additionally on Sunday mornings, both Ipswich and Springfield have one hour services. This also should be improved to 30 minute frequency in line with the rest of the rail network.

Why is Ipswich and district being treated poorly with respect to early services?

We call on all Ipswich City Councillors and Candidates, together with our State Members of Parliament to back our call for earlier services on the Springfield Central and Ipswich / Rosewood railway lines.

Yours sincerely,

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2016, 12:52:20 PM »
Letter to the Editor Queensland Times 20th February 2016 page 23

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2016, 02:59:40 PM »
Too true, the first morning service should get passengers into the CBD and surrounds well before 6am. Quite a few shifts start at this time for emergency services, hospital staff, ancillary services (e.g. cleaners, security), and also some CBD construction jobs (e.g. electricians). I'm sure QR could achieve an earlier train from Springfield even with current stock limitations, though there would be crew implications.

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2016, 02:27:36 AM »
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2016, 08:25:05 PM »
A timely blog post (on a roll this month)!
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2016/02/the-early-bird-doesnt-catch-springfield.html

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2016, 07:11:19 AM »
From the Quest South West News 25th May 2016 pages 1 and 5

Commuters call for express services




COMMUTER IN PEAK TIME BID

From page 01 SPRINGFIELD residents are fighting to improve their train services, and a leading Brisbane public transport advocate agrees the start time for the region’s morning service is “farcical”.

City worker Hayley Clayton’s Change.org petition for an express peak service has more than 100 signatures.

“My colleague and I decided that since we catch the train every day, it might be possible to provide an express service,” she said.

“We’ve got great service already. It’s just about possibly getting in touch with what commuters are looking for – particularly with the amount of people that catch the train at that time in the morning.”

Rail Back on Track head Robert Dow said an express service in the near future was unlikely due to train numbers and the need for the Ipswich service to run express.

But he said Springfield’s earliest service, departing Springfield Central at 5.39am, was “farcical”.

“The immediate priority for Springfield is a couple of earlier services on peak days,” Mr Dow said.

“If you start work (before 6.20am), it means you can’t use the (transport) system.

“Springfield and Ipswich have been neglected for those early services. It’s very difficult get to the airport to get an early flight because it misses the first Air Train.”

Mr Dow said Springfield needed a departure at 5.09am, and possibly 4.39am.

A TransLink spokesman said it would continue to monitor demand and patronage on the Springfield train line and requests to run earlier inbound services would be considered.

“Queensland Rail customer satisfaction results also shows Springfield line customers are some of the most satisfied of all rail users across the network and current service levels meet the needs of passengers,” the spokesman said.

A petition is at Springfield Central’s coffee shop.

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Now online > Residents petition for early morning Springfield express train service
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2016, 07:17:32 AM »
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2016, 07:42:16 AM »
Another case of "I wan't an express from my stationitis". If you want to get to work faster don't live in a satellite town!

The first train time issue is a valid point however.

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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2016, 08:16:31 AM »
Yope!

Letter to the Editor Queensland Times, submitted 19th February 2016

Letter to the Editor QT - early services needed Ipswich and Springfield lines

Dear Editor,

We have previously pointed out that an analysis of the Queensland Rail suburban timetables has revealed that Ipswich and Springfield are being treated poorly in respect of the times of first services in the morning on weekdays.

For example the first train out of Caboolture is 3.52am, Kippa-Ring will be 3.46am.  Compare this to Ipswich, first service at 4.37am, and Springfield first service at 5.39am.

In the case of Ipswich the earliest someone can catch a train from Ipswich and be at Brisbane Airport is 6.25am.  Hardly satisfactory, it is much worse for the Springfield line.

Ipswich line  needs a departure at 4.07am, and possibly 3.37am from Ipswich.  Springfield line needs earlier services, 5.09am and 4.39am departures from Springfield Central would be preferred.

Additionally on Sunday mornings, both Ipswich and Springfield have one hour services. This also should be improved to 30 minute frequency in line with the rest of the rail network.

Why is Ipswich and district being treated poorly with respect to early services?

We call on all Ipswich City Councillors and Candidates, together with our State Members of Parliament to back our call for earlier services on the Springfield Central and Ipswich / Rosewood railway lines.

Yours sincerely,

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2016, 08:57:26 AM »

http://backontrack.org/docs/swn/swn_25may16_p1.png

HA! I love it! Great pic of the SEQ Regional Rapid Rail service :)

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2016, 09:12:24 AM »
They do have an express service, its called changing trains at darra.  The only conceivable way that an "express" service can even be provided is for it to run via tennyson (not the station but the line) and the dual gauge line.  And thats only after CCR is built.   Something that should be looked into after CCR is built  just to take relief off the current overloaded trains.   2tph express corinda to park road and city via merivale bridge the peak only. 

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2016, 09:14:01 AM »
It's called public transport, not public taxi.

If they want expresses, they should move to the Brisbane City Council area. Plenty of hi-waste rockets to choose from.
Perhaps around Wishart where they can get the Rocket 161. Or P332 Zillmere to UQ Lakes...
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2016, 09:23:14 AM »
They really should be campaigning for a 15 minute everyday off peak service, earlier starts, lack of off peak expresses to ipswich so those passenger take up space.   
Springfield peak hour timetable i would consider to be equal best in brisbane. (with ipswich and caboolture lines).  What the people of beenleigh line  dream of a train every 6 minutes and running at a speed faster than walking pace. 

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2016, 10:39:43 AM »
The easiest issue to fix when Kippa-Ring opens is the ridiculous weekend times. 

I really have no idea why we have separate Saturday and Sunday timetables at all anywhere in SEQ.  The only difference should be that some of the latest Saturday services would not run, but we should be talking around midnight or after, not 10pm. 

Not providing Saturday and Sunday services on routes where there is no alternative public transport is flat out stupid.  The only services that should not be operating on weekends are peak hour services (virtually all of which are Brisbane Transport, Transdev and Logan City city services plus the Park Ridge P546).

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2016, 11:02:48 AM »
Not providing Saturday and Sunday services on routes where there is no alternative public transport is flat out stupid.  The only services that should not be operating on weekends are peak hour services (virtually all of which are Brisbane Transport, Transdev and Logan City city services plus the Park Ridge P546).

607 is one example.  The University Hospital & Kawana Town precinct doesn't have weekend services although it was planned a while back in the initial bus review (the plan got cut in the BCC madness). 

I do think at least a truncated weekend 607 terminating at Kawana Bus Station (to ensure the Kawana Town Centre/University Hospital precinct is covered on the weekends) should be operating with the same operating hours as the weekday 607 services to USC bus station.  The 618 from Kawana should cover those heading to University on the weekends.
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2016, 11:39:35 AM »
Selfish Springfield Line commuters now blogged.
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2016/05/i-want-express-to-my-stationitis.html

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2016, 02:27:54 PM »
The easiest issue to fix when Kippa-Ring opens is the ridiculous weekend times. 

I really have no idea why we have separate Saturday and Sunday timetables at all anywhere in SEQ.  The only difference should be that some of the latest Saturday services would not run, but we should be talking around midnight or after, not 10pm. 

Not providing Saturday and Sunday services on routes where there is no alternative public transport is flat out stupid.  The only services that should not be operating on weekends are peak hour services (virtually all of which are Brisbane Transport, Transdev and Logan City city services plus the Park Ridge P546).

Weekend railway timetables should be the same as weekday off peak. The only other difference should be if there is any obvious travel patterns that are different. I'm not aware of any in SEQ. (nsw has a heap of blue mountains trains on weekends for example).  On weekends they could make better use of trains by only running 3 car units. 

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2016, 07:40:16 PM »
Weekend railway timetables should be the same as weekday off peak. The only other difference should be if there is any obvious travel patterns that are different. I'm not aware of any in SEQ. (nsw has a heap of blue mountains trains on weekends for example).  On weekends they could make better use of trains by only running 3 car units.

There's minimal additional cost involved in running a 6-car service vs. a 3-car service. The extra cost is only power, which is minor in the whole scheme of things. On the Springfield/Ipswich lines, the weekend timetable is the same as weekday off-peak, aside from the lower frequency on Sunday mornings (which should be fixed).

Death to Springfield expresses! The running time Darra - CBD is damn good anyway. Even in the best case, the car takes the same time as the train in peak hour, and is far cheaper after factoring in the cost of parking.
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2016, 10:50:37 PM »
I'm beginning to think that our focus (once the federal election madness is over) should be span improvements in general.
Relevant with this, relevant to Gold Coast buses, relevant to 'New World City'...

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2016, 07:56:45 AM »
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2016, 09:26:55 AM »
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15th July 2016

Consolidate gains for Springfield Central railway - earlier weekday services needed

Greetings,

in the TransLink Tracker quarterly report - October to December (Q2) 2015 - 2016 (1), the Springfield (Central)  rail line was highlighted.

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"Two years on from its opening, new figures show the Springfield rail line is continuing to gain popularity by the day. The first six months of the 2015–16 financial year, a patronage increase of more than 12 per cent or 500 passengers a day had been recorded on the Springfield line, compared with the same period the previous year. Since the Springfield line opened more and more people throughout the region are leaving their car at home and jumping on board public transport. In the first six months of this financial year this line recorded a growth of nearly 100 000 trips compared to the same period the previous year, with more than 850 000 trips starting or finishing at Richlands, Springfield and Springfield central stations in that time. Since the rail line opened the region has continued to experience extraordinary growth, which has attracted major investment such as the $85 million first stage of the Mater Private Hospital Springfield and the new Springfield Anglican College. Springfield Central station in particular has transformed into a key transport hub in the heart of Springfield Town Centre. It has an accessible kiss ‘n’ ride drop-off and taxi zones, bicycle storage facilities and an integrated bus interchange serviced by a number of local bus services ..."

Good news and it should be highlighted.  It is a fact though that the first service to depart Springfield Central station during the week is at 5.39am (2). Compared to the rest of the rail network this is very late.  It makes it difficult for shift workers and others to use public transport.  Springfield Central needs earlier weekday services to the CBD, 5.09am and 4.39am services would be preferred.  For a comparison the first train that is scheduled to depart Kippa-Ring on the draft timetable is 3.46am!

To consolidate the gains for the Springfield line, we call on the Minister for Transport and staff to consider the introduction of the earlier services.

Best wishes

Robert

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References:

1.  https://publications.qld.gov.au/dataset/translink-division-quarterly-reports/resource/d7568d69-25cc-4019-ad22-796cd6057b7d

2.  First morning weekday services to CBD

From current timetables at http://translink.com.au/

Varsity Lakes 4.10am   Central 5.29am

Beenleigh 4.18am Central 5.18am

Caboolture 3.52am Central 4.56am

Cleveland 4.39am Central 5.41am*

Doomben  5.58am Central 6.21am

Ferny Grove 5.02am  Central 5.33am*

Ipswich 4.37am Central 5.35am*

Rosewood 4.15am Central 5.35am*

Shorncliffe 5.09am Central 5.31am

Springfield 5.39am Central 6.20am*

Nambour 4.34am Central 6.22am

Kippa-Ring 3.46am Central 4.41am (draft)


The first Airtrain Services depart Central at 4.31am, 5.01am, 5.31am, 6.01am.


Ipswich definitely needs a train out of Ipswich 4.07am.

Ferny Grove could do with a train at 4.32am.

Springfield needs a departure at 5.09am, and possibly 4.39am as well.

Cleveland possibly at 4.09am.
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2016, 03:06:37 PM »
Yes !!  Minister has just announced in estimates. 

Weekdays new 5.09am service from Springfield Central, not sure of start date.

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2016, 03:16:51 PM »
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2016, 02:37:43 AM »
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29th July 2016

New early weekday rail service for Springfield Line

Good Morning,

Some very welcome news!

Yesterday in Parliament Estimates the Minister for Transport Stirling Hinchliffe announced that a new weekday rail service departing Springfield Central at 5.09am on weekdays will be added to the timetable.

We thank Minister Hinchliffe, Staff, Queensland Rail and TransLink for listening and responding with the new service.

The feeder bus arrangements for the Springfield line need review and improvement, as does the entire Western (Ipswich and Springfield) bus region.

There is no doubt, that when the new fare structure is introduced early 2017, patronage will increase, so steps need to be taken to better support our community with improved bus networks now.

Best wishes,
Robert

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Sent to all outlets:

15th July 2016

Consolidate gains for Springfield Central railway - earlier weekday services needed

Greetings,

in the TransLink Tracker quarterly report - October to December (Q2) 2015 - 2016 (1), the Springfield (Central)  rail line was highlighted.

Quote
"Two years on from its opening, new figures show the Springfield rail line is continuing to gain popularity by the day. The first six months of the 2015–16 financial year, a patronage increase of more than 12 per cent or 500 passengers a day had been recorded on the Springfield line, compared with the same period the previous year. Since the Springfield line opened more and more people throughout the region are leaving their car at home and jumping on board public transport. In the first six months of this financial year this line recorded a growth of nearly 100 000 trips compared to the same period the previous year, with more than 850 000 trips starting or finishing at Richlands, Springfield and Springfield central stations in that time. Since the rail line opened the region has continued to experience extraordinary growth, which has attracted major investment such as the $85 million first stage of the Mater Private Hospital Springfield and the new Springfield Anglican College. Springfield Central station in particular has transformed into a key transport hub in the heart of Springfield Town Centre. It has an accessible kiss ‘n’ ride drop-off and taxi zones, bicycle storage facilities and an integrated bus interchange serviced by a number of local bus services ..."

Good news and it should be highlighted.  It is a fact though that the first service to depart Springfield Central station during the week is at 5.39am (2). Compared to the rest of the rail network this is very late.  It makes it difficult for shift workers and others to use public transport.  Springfield Central needs earlier weekday services to the CBD, 5.09am and 4.39am services would be preferred.  For a comparison the first train that is scheduled to depart Kippa-Ring on the draft timetable is 3.46am!

To consolidate the gains for the Springfield line, we call on the Minister for Transport and staff to consider the introduction of the earlier services.

Best wishes

Robert

Robert Dow
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admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

References:

1.  https://publications.qld.gov.au/dataset/translink-division-quarterly-reports/resource/d7568d69-25cc-4019-ad22-796cd6057b7d

2.  First morning weekday services to CBD

From current timetables at http://translink.com.au/

Varsity Lakes 4.10am   Central 5.29am

Beenleigh 4.18am Central 5.18am

Caboolture 3.52am Central 4.56am

Cleveland 4.39am Central 5.41am*

Doomben  5.58am Central 6.21am

Ferny Grove 5.02am  Central 5.33am*

Ipswich 4.37am Central 5.35am*

Rosewood 4.15am Central 5.35am*

Shorncliffe 5.09am Central 5.31am

Springfield 5.39am Central 6.20am*

Nambour 4.34am Central 6.22am

Kippa-Ring 3.46am Central 4.41am (draft)


The first Airtrain Services depart Central at 4.31am, 5.01am, 5.31am, 6.01am.


Ipswich definitely needs a train out of Ipswich 4.07am.

Ferny Grove could do with a train at 4.32am.

Springfield needs a departure at 5.09am, and possibly 4.39am as well.

Cleveland possibly at 4.09am.
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2016, 02:41:49 AM »
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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2016, 06:36:46 AM »
Letter to the Editor Queensland Times 30th July 2016 page 19

More trains for Springfield line

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Re: First morning weekday services to CBD
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2016, 09:33:19 AM »
Great work Robert, it's pleasing to see the governement do listen to the people at times!!

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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2016, 09:40:31 AM »
Thanks!  Little by little ...  :-t
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