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Ports, cruise terminals etc.
« on: October 10, 2015, 02:50:14 AM »
Brisbanetimes --> Early discussions on new Luggage Point cruise ship terminal

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The state government and the Port of Brisbane are in negotiations to build a new cruise terminal near the mouth of the Brisbane River that could accommodate the new breed of superliner.

The inability of Portside Hamilton, upstream from the Gateway Bridges, to accommodate larger vessels has seen ships, such as Cunard's Queen Mary 2, dock at container yards at Fisherman Islands.

The $750 million Hamilton Portside cruise ship terminal opened in August 2006, but two years later the need for a larger capacity facility was already being voiced.

State Development Minister Anthony Lynham said plans were already underway at a business lunch this week.
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When discussing the impact of Echo Entertainment's Queens Wharf development on the state's economy, Dr Lynham said transport facilities, such as Brisbane Airport's parallel runway and a new cruise terminal, were needed to maximise Brisbane's tourism dollar.

"The second runway is on track and I'm in negotiations as well – initial negotiations, I will say – on a cruise ship terminal down near the mouth of the Brisbane River to take those big cruise ships," he said.

"So for us, for tourism in Brisbane and in south-east Queensland it's just go, go, go, all leading towards when this resort opens."

A spokeswoman for Dr Lynham later sought to downplay the significance of the comments, but confirmed "early discussions about the concept of a cruise ship terminal in Brisbane" had been held.

"It's all at a very preliminary stage," she said ...


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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2016, 11:35:12 PM »
New Brisbane Cruise Terminal a step closer

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbanes-100-million-cruise-ship-terminal-gets-closer-20161221-gtfzzm.html

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Brisbane's new $100 million cruise ship terminal at the mouth of the Brisbane River at Luggage Point has 80 per cent of its approvals in place and the project will now seek approval from State Cabinet in early 2017.<br />
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Approvals with*Brisbane City Council to upgrade roads are now in place and Maritime Safety Queensland has ruled the cruise ship's "swing basin" capacity as suitable for the first five years.

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2017, 09:38:12 PM »
Full article on Brisbane Times

^^The largest ship sparks building time frame

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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2017, 12:26:32 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2017, 12:27:29 PM »
Great good news :)

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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2017, 01:05:38 PM »
https://twitter.com/brisbanetimes/status/923021299970138112
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2017, 01:36:21 PM »
Excellent! Wonder what Public Transport options will be decided on. Buz via Portside? Airport Line (Spur line) via Skygate? Electric Feeder Bus to the proposed Skygate Station?

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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2017, 01:53:25 PM »
https://twitter.com/7NewsBrisbane/status/923034207240122369
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2017, 04:56:52 PM »
Excellent! Wonder what Public Transport options will be decided on. Buz via Portside? Airport Line (Spur line) via Skygate? Electric Feeder Bus to the proposed Skygate Station?

I feel like spur from the Airport Line could work. Done a quick drawing here: https://www.google.com.au/maps/d/edit?mid=1HcOS9EPxyGJkOCRPhctU1Qgy-vg&ll=-27.41456898494542%2C153.0918781867249&z=13

This probably is more of a long term solution with the short term being high frequency, high capacity buses with lots of luggage storage running out there. But, if the QG tried hard enough with funding and not playing around, I reckon this could be done by 2020. A huge boost to SEQ's rail network is well overdue.

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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2017, 05:42:34 PM »
Excellent! Wonder what Public Transport options will be decided on. Buz via Portside? Airport Line (Spur line) via Skygate? Electric Feeder Bus to the proposed Skygate Station?

Nothing. The state government has no interest in providing PT, the state government has no money to build a railway line, and there are far too many populated areas of Brisbane crying out for a service as is.

Due to the nature of the cruise terminal, and the volume of passengers passing through, there probably isn't much of a case to put anything beyond a token coverage service out that way, if anything at all. Better off investing the money in servicing the suburbs and upgrading existing services.

Such a route would also be very expensive to fund - it's about 8-10km from Portside, any extension would cost a significant amount of money. Any rail line extension would be better off going from Doomben, or going under the runways and over to the cruise terminal (ignoring the obvious geotechnical challenge of tunnelling in that are).
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2017, 11:24:54 PM »
Excellent! Wonder what Public Transport options will be decided on. Buz via Portside? Airport Line (Spur line) via Skygate? Electric Feeder Bus to the proposed Skygate Station?

I feel like spur from the Airport Line could work. Done a quick drawing here: https://www.google.com.au/maps/d/edit?mid=1HcOS9EPxyGJkOCRPhctU1Qgy-vg&ll=-27.41456898494542%2C153.0918781867249&z=13

This probably is more of a long term solution with the short term being high frequency, high capacity buses with lots of luggage storage running out there. But, if the QG tried hard enough with funding and not playing around, I reckon this could be done by 2020. A huge boost to SEQ's rail network is well overdue.
Looks like a decent alignment.


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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2017, 02:16:53 AM »
Couriermail --> Business owners believe Brisbane international cruise ship terminal will breathe new life into Pinkenba



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PINKENBA business owners have called on local and state governments to beautify the area and reopen the railway line in time for the arrival of the international cruise terminal at Luggage Point.

The Palaszczuk Government on Tuesday announced that the $150 million privately built cruise terminal will be ready at Luggage Point near the Port of Brisbane in two years.

Vehicular access to the cruise terminal will pass through Pinkenba, the last residential suburb before Luggage Point.

Gary Power owner of the local legendary hotel The Pink said it’s time for the State Government and Brisbane City Council to band together and give Pinkenba a makeover and reopen the railway line which closed in 1993 after 11 years in operation.

“It’s absolutely time for the railway line to reopen. In fact it should have happened a long time ago. I’ve been here 10 years and it should have been open then,” Mr Power said.

“The amount of business and infrastructure out here since the railway line was shut down has been incredible. It goes all the way out to Luggage Point now.”

Pinkenba’s population is a mere 368, according to the ABS Census, 28 more than in 2011 and it has 65 families and 135 dwellings.

It’s been dubbed the ‘land that time forgot’ and Mr Power said Pinkenba would welcome the trade generated by the cruise terminal and planned improvements to the major road, but it’s the scenery which needs an uplift.

“Instead of having a bush, it needs to be more presentable. At the moment it’s just dust and bush,” he said

“The whole area will get a lift when they put in another lane for traffic which is part of the plans.”

Mr Power has also put his money where his mouth is by announcing The Pink was likely to be bulldozed and replaced with a modern tavern that will have 38 rooms.

“When we heard it (the cruise terminal) was a possibility we had plans drawn up and we’ll possibly rebuild the whole tavern. Everything has been approved,” he said.

Next door to The Pink is Brahman Pies, run by Ken Brouwer.

Mr Brouwer said Mr Power had nailed his own thought but he doubts either the council or the Palaszczuk Government will move quickly, if at all, to revitalise Pinkenba.

“We’re just 12 kilometres from the city and the airport’s over the back. For this area to be like this at this point in time is absolutely mind boggling.

“The railway definitely has to open,” he said.

“There’s no real infrastructure in this region and such a megastructure like the cruise terminal will push Pinkenba along … but with any government department they are not terribly proactive. They are reactionary.”

Pinkenba may be the first residential suburb international tourists pass through after they disembark at the cruise terminal but their initial impression will be the Urban Utilities sewage plant.

They’ll pass airport hangar and maintenance facilities, the Boral Distribution centre at Myrtletown before coming across the dilapidated Pinkenba School which closed in 2010 and has remained unoccupied since. It’s up for lease.

Mr Power said there will be long term benefits, but the railway line should be a priority and run to the cruise terminal.

Only the platform remains of the former railway station.

Queensland Rail has been contacted for comment.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2017, 07:25:05 AM »
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Looks like a decent alignment.

Cheers. Having the tracks elevated above the road requires the least property resumptions and space to build so it will (generally) come out at a lower building cost.



Having support structure like the one above (e.g. branching out on both sides then going to the ground on the sides of the road) doesn't require any big changes to the road below and can be a quite cost effective way of building (as apposed to building a median strip down the road to ground the pier).

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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2017, 09:05:37 AM »
There isn't going to be meaningful public transport there.  Cruise lines ship their passengers around on coaches.  The demand for anybody else is going to be minuscule at best - how many ships per day are we talking?

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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2017, 12:28:44 PM »
I worked out there at Pinkenba over the last two weeks and the road is in need of desperate upgrades. First of all there is no shoulder also no segregated bikeway which is also needed. Power needs to be placed underground where possible. A lit bikeway could be built along the old rail track. Would be much safer than going along the road with all those trucks. Hopefully a High Frequency Bus corridor can be identified from the new Cruise Terminal to the CBD servicing also the apartments along route which are currently being built.
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