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Started by ozbob, July 29, 2015, 16:44:14 PM

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#Metro

Planes routinely go 2x the speed of HSR

Typical cruising air speed for long-distance commercial passenger flights is 475–500 knots (878-926 km/h; 546–575 mph).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_(aeronautics)

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Quote from: LD Transit on October 08, 2015, 18:45:49 PM
Planes routinely go 2x the speed of HSR

Typical cruising air speed for long-distance commercial passenger flights is 475–500 knots (878-926 km/h; 546–575 mph).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_(aeronautics)
Uses alot more fuel and not as eco friendly. Requires more security but since that incident in France no doubt security will be beefed up on HSR as well. Can carry more luggage onto a train unlike a plane. Go HSR, Go Rapid, Go Card on HSR?

#Metro

It would be orders of magnitude simpler and cheaper to simply offset the carbon dioxide produced elsewhere. It costs around $13 per tonne CO2 to do this. (EU: http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2418553/eu-carbon-price-tops-eur8-for-first-time-since-2012)

I think the funds are better spent on upgrading local PT options, where we are guaranteed high patronage and high social gain.

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ozbob

Oz is struggling to do basic public transport for its major cities.  HSR is nothing but a dream, but they keep the dream alive.

I am with you LD, fixing up the basics is needed before massive boondoggles ..

Haven't you heard folks, hyperloops will be the next big thing.  Stand by ...  hurrumph!

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Hyperloop? There is this thing called The Plane, does everything hyperloop does and no need for ROW.
Talk about reinventing the wheel!

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James

We can't even get high-frequency bus services into suburbs 4km away from the CBD or frequent rail services, what hope do we have of managing to build a 2000km long high-speed railway line?

The airlines already service the corridor in an economically efficient way, our airports (on the whole) are not that congested and there's no social welfare need to serve travel between the major capitals. Zero need for HSR, it is just something that gets wheeled out when governments want to distract people from real issues.
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

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Errr ... the reality ... 100mph (160km/h) on 3'6" gauge railway .. that's it folks ..  :-t  Oz's ' bullet ' train ..



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#462
December 2011



In 1970 I travelled by rail from Taipei to Taichung.  No HSR in those days, but was a comfortable service, air-conditioned carriages, I think it was diesel hauled (might have been electric).  My main memory is of the tea carts on board the train.  They have come a long way.
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LNP inches ahead of Queensland Labor in polling, while Anna II remains popular leader.  Is the electorate starting to see that Labor becoming a 'safe to the point of doing nothing' government?

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/lawrence-springborgled-lnp-ahead-of-labor-in-latest-poll-20151016-gkb71x.html

An infrastructure plan anytime soon?

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Drip feed policy is starting to cost ...

Need to get some runs on the board, particularly where the big voter concentration is ... just sayin' ..

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James

Not surprising really. The Palaszczuk government was elected on the basis of doing nothing, unfortunately the people tend to get restless when you do nothing for 3 years. The ALP will definitely increase its majority at the next election if they keep Springborg as leader though. It is time he moved on. You need someone who doesn't send the electorate to sleep when he speaks.
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#473
Tasmania is a state with distinct regions.  The state government there has developed integrated transport plans for each of the regions.

http://www.transport.tas.gov.au/road/plans_strategies/northern_integrated_transport_plan
http://www.transport.tas.gov.au/road/plans_strategies/southern_integrated_transport_plan
http://www.transport.tas.gov.au/road/plans_strategies/cradle_coast_integrated_transport_strategy

In Queensland, transport strategic transport planning for regions is being tackled by councils ...

http://www.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/sitePage.cfm?code=transport-strategy
http://www.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/sitePage.cfm?code=transport-strategy

Successive state government keep talking about regional transport plans, and they always seem to be in preparation, review and committee stage – a bit like the ABC satire, Utopia.

We have got to the point of state governments publishing documents with titles like 'Towards a Transport Plan for Queensland'.  We never quite get there.

There is a bit of a flurry close to an election, with documents prepared by political advisers, not the transport bureaucrats.  Most of those are for projects in marginal electorates.  Games are played around getting the feds to pay for major projects.

Whatever serious planning that is done is overturned by the incoming government.  And we start all over again.

This process is best manifested in CRR (various guises), BaT etc.  Indecision manifest.

Everything short of actually building something is celebrated as progress ... these words from the Queensland Government website for CRR: "The Queensland Government is moving ahead with planning to reduce congestion on south-east Queensland's rail network.   A Cross River Rail project team has been established to identify a preferred solution to alleviate this congestion, including assessing elements of previous projects."

A review of something that has not been built is a move forward!

When will there be a Queensland Transport Plan with regional elements, truly integrated?  And something to see for the planning?



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Remember when every public transport statement from the Bligh Government kept telling Queenslanders that they enjoyed a 'world class service'?  Anna II's government is slipping into the same self delusion with overuse of the phrases 'moving to plan' or 'moving to fix' ... 'moving to overcome' with planning.  The focus of the action is on the planning (a good thing), but that is where things stop.  We never get round to implementation and construction.  Look at planning for CRR in its various guises -- eight years of chopping and changing, churn and indecision.  SCL duplication reports and reviews exceed 18.  Modest fare review, even government policy, is not 'moving forward'.  The government wants to create the impression that there is movement, and in a forward direction, when this is a metaphor for inaction.  Government word processors should be re-programmed so that when a bureaucrat types the words 'moving to plan' what appears on the screen is 'failing to'.  That would reflect reality.

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I want to see the bright lights tonight! ... just sayin'


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April 2014

" ... You should have all the transport infrastructure in place ... "  huh ?  :o

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