Legacy way - buses

[James]

It doesn't stop at QUT KG.

The journey planner says it does, and on the trip I was on with Bob the bus stopped at Herston to let a passenger off.

surely majority of southside students would study at gardens point?

the other benefit is the quick same platform bus transfer to rbwh hospital.....down the track we could potentially see another 310 style service...hourly perhaps.....if anyone takes the 310 you will notice that the majority of daytime patronage comes from elderly using the single seat trip to the hospital anywhere from as far as sandgate...

You get no choice as to whether you study at GP or KG - each campus offers one or the other when it comes to degrees.

I don't see any full time routes using Legacy Way though. Using Legacy Way means you bypass Indro, a big pax generator in the interpeak (the shops, schools and UQ connection). You'd have to remove a bus route's connection to Indro or introduce a totally new route to do this. The former would go down like a lead balloon and there isn't the money for the latter. By comparison, the 310 only bypasses inner Sandgate Rd and Bowen Hills (neither of which are trip attractors).

The only one which could work would be the 460, but you'd have to remove it from the Cultural Centre, change its QSBS routing or both. It'd be a pretty ugly route by the end of it.

[STB]

surely majority of southside students would study at gardens point?

Er...FYI, Gardens Point has Business, IT, Science and Law, Kelvin Grove has Creative Industries, Education and Health (although some Health units are done at Gardens Point), and there are a bunch of double degrees where students study at both campuses during a semester no matter which part of Brisbane you live.

[BrizCommuter]

It doesn't stop at QUT KG.

The journey planner says it does, and on the trip I was on with Bob the bus stopped at Herston to let a passenger off.

Good to inconsistent information from TransLink again then! 
Lets hope no one waits at QUT KG for the outbound P443!

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Bus commuters to save time in tunnel

Extra buses from Brisbane's western suburbs - from Kenmore, Riverhills, Chapel Hill and Mt Ommaney - will run through the Legacy Way tunnel from January, saving thousands of commuters up to 13 minutes each morning and afternoon.

It also means students of Brisbane's Boys Grammar and Girls Grammar schools who live in Brisbane's western suburbs or QUT's Kelvin Grove campus can now catch the bus straight to school or university.

Thew news has been welcomed by Robert Dow, a spokesman for public transport lobby group Rail Back on Track, which has pushed for extra buses through the Legacy Way tunnel since 2012.

"It is a long-term promise that has been left hanging, but it is good to see that something has finally happened," Mr Dow said.

The decision was announced in Brisbane City Council on Tuesday and follows a three-month trial after the Legacy Way tunnel opened on June 25.

"This follows overwhelmingly positive feedback of council's trial of Route P443 Moggill to the City via Legacy Way during morning peak times, which commenced in late June," Lord Mayor Graham Quirk said on Tuesday afternoon.

"This aimed to determine the quickest, most convenient and reliable route for commuters travelling into the city from the western suburbs," he said.

"The results speak for themselves, with the average journey time cut by a minimum of five minutes, with some services benefiting from a 13-minute travel time saving."

Cr Quirk said commuters had reacted favourably to the trial, with an extra 525 people choosing the service which travelled through the Legacy Way tunnel.

"The trial has proved hugely popular, with a 40 per cent increase in patronage on the inbound P443 services," he said.

"That equates to an extra 525 passengers every week."

Brisbane City Council will now ask Translink to approve new routes for five western suburbs' bus services each day.

19 buses a day will be re-routed through the Legacy Way tunnel

    P426 Chapel Hill
    431 Kenmore South
    446 Fig Tree Pocket
    P455 Riverhills
    P456 Mount Ommaney.

Cr Quirk said running the bus routes from the western suburbs through the Legacy Way tunnel – from Toowong to the Inner City Bypass – opened up new destinations to some commuters.

"For the first time, commuters from the western suburbs will also have direct access to these key locations in the inner city," Cr Quirk said.

The new bus services would travel via the Western Freeway, Legacy Way, Inner City Bypass, the Gilchrist Avenue off-ramp and Inner Northern Busway.

"These services will also set down passengers as required at the Inner Northern Busway stations at Herston, QUT Kelvin Grove and Normanby," Cr Quirk said.

Mr Dow said he believed the council elections coming up in March had forced the council's hand.

The council said they had run a trial since the tunnel opened in June and had assessed the figures before making the decision.

Mr Dow said he did not doubt the decision would be well received by commuters.

"I went on the trial bus and it was great. It is good news."

[BrizCommuter]

So still only Legacy Way inbound? 

[ozbob]

Yo, I made a comment about the lack of the connection ... not everything gets up.

[#Metro]

The tunnel is only useful for peak hour rocket buses due to the lack of connection with Indooroopilly (geographically impossible).

[hU0N]

The tunnel is only useful for peak hour rocket buses due to the lack of connection with Indooroopilly (geographically impossible).

This got me thinking. Reading between the lines LDT of course means, lack of connection with Indooroopilly AND lack of off-peak demand to justify more than one off peak route in/out of each area at reasonable frequency.

Which got me thinking, what would it take to justify a second off peak service out of each area? Perhaps all the existing western suburbs buses could be sent from Indooroopilly to terminate at Chancellor's Place. Then city bound services via Legacy Way, bypassing Indooroopilly. It probably wouldn't stimulate enough demand to justify doing it. I just thought about it.

End foam.

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

25th November 2015

SEQ: Enable Legacy Way for buses as a priority

Greetings,

Some good news.

Brisbanetimes --> Bus commuters to save time in tunnel

BCC has proposed some more buses be put into Legacy Way.

Sadly, due to the lack of a direct connection between Legacy Way and the Inner Northern Busway this effectively limits buses to inbound only.

We again call for consideration of really enabling Legacy Way for buses, both inbound and importantly outbound by fixing up a bus connection.

Best wishes,

Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Media release 3rd July 2015



SEQ: Enable Legacy Way for buses as a priority

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers calls on the Brisbane City Council and State Government to immediately fix the failure to properly enable Legacy Way for the promised ' 2000 express buses daily '.

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The 3 month trial of running the P443 Rocket Express inbound bus via Legacy Way has already demonstrated the massive potential benefit for western bus commuters that could be delivered by connecting Legacy Way to the Inner Northern Busway."

"Yesterday, the bus that departed stop 37 at Kenmore at 7.29am arrived at Roma St bus station at 7.50am.  This is 19 minutes better than the normal timetable for this bus service.  This is despite the bus having to take a circuitous route onto the INB at Herston."

"This failure with Legacy Way must never be repeated.  It is a sad indictment on Council and Governments. The thing to do now is to fix it! This is a relatively low cost project with massive benefit."

"Any leaders in Queensland?"

References:

1. P443 Rocket Bus trial via Legacy Way http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=11508.msg158242#msg158242

Contact:

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

[James]

The tunnel is only useful for peak hour rocket buses due to the lack of connection with Indooroopilly (geographically impossible).

This got me thinking. Reading between the lines LDT of course means, lack of connection with Indooroopilly AND lack of off-peak demand to justify more than one off peak route in/out of each area at reasonable frequency.

Which got me thinking, what would it take to justify a second off peak service out of each area? Perhaps all the existing western suburbs buses could be sent from Indooroopilly to terminate at Chancellor's Place. Then city bound services via Legacy Way, bypassing Indooroopilly. It probably wouldn't stimulate enough demand to justify doing it. I just thought about it.

End foam.

The problem is that most of the Western suburbs buses beyond Indro are already hourly in the off-peak, so it'd be pointless. If you shifted to a trunk + feeder model, you could potentially run a bus via Legacy Way and allow people to transfer on/off the service at the Chapel Hill stop on the 444 (would require some windy routing outbound though which might kill any time savings).

But to be honest, Legacy Way is just useless for CBD-bound buses. It is an inner-city bypass, not a road for city traffic.

[#Metro]

It's not just about speed. People actually have to go to places, unlike car where you can hit the accelerator and stop nowhere until you get to your final destination.

Misses Indooroopilly, Toowong (UQ connections), Coronation Drive (Jobs). Rocket buses sound sexy but most rockets disappear after peak hour and for good reason, they would be empty if put on.

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Brisbane City Council to seek approval for five bus routes to use Legacy Way tunnel after trial

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Legacy Way leads to 'hazard' at Herston as cars, trucks and buses queue in road shoulder

THE trial of the P443 service from Moggill to the City via Legacy Way has exposed a road safety flaw ahead of the anticipated extension of services using the tunnel.

Brisbane City Council is calling on TransLink to allow five more westside services access to Legacy Way, which loop back to the city via the exit at Royal Brisbane Hospital.

Moggill's Darren Montesin said buses had become a "safety issue" at the exit.

"Cars are able to pull over to the road shoulder and just fit in past the white line. But the buses are wider and have to straddle the white line, causing a hazard," he said.

Under Queensland road rules, a driver must not drive on or over a continuous white line including road shoulder lines.

Rail Back on Track head Robert Dow said it was "never really designed for buses to take this route".

"They need to sort it," Mr Dow said.

[HappyTrainGuy]

Wouldn't you just drive past all the cars parked on the shoulder and merge where you are supposed to? I would haha.

[QLDBUS]

maybe constructing a new bus lane linking herston to the ICB might be a solution for Outbound Services
 
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zyOQoSHIbm5k.kJTlf_tNjxpU&usp=sharing

[ozbob]

All suggestions welcome, thanks.

The Legacy Way bus connection failure is a real eye opener as to attitudes to public transport improvements by Council, the State, and the Federal Government.  The three levels of incompetence working for a trifecta of failure has been mind boggling.

[James]

The issue with buses accessing Legacy Way outbound will be fixed when they add in an on-ramp near the INB portal on Bowen Bridge Rd to allow access to the ICB/Legacy Way westbound.

From the INB, they'll go (L) Gilchrist Ave (R) Herston Rd (R) Bowen Bridge Rd (R) Future ICB onramp, then move across into the middle lane to access Legacy Way.

[ozbob]

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-notices/69881/details

Get there faster via Legacy Way

Last updated: 1.12pm Wednesday 13 January 2016

After a successful trial period, inbound route P443 Moggil to City (prepaid rocket) will permanently travel via Legacy Way and the Northern Busway.

From Monday 25 January, the following inbound routes will also travel via Legacy Way and the Northern Busway:

    431- Kenmore South to City (rocket)
    P426 - Chapel Hill to City (prepaid rocket)
    446 - Fig Tree Pocket to City (rocket)
    P455 - Riverhills to City (prepaid rocket)
    P456 - Mt Ommaney to City (prepaid rocket)

From this time, routes P426, P455 and P456 will no longer stop at Milton Road and routes 431 and 446 will not stop at Milton Road and the Toowong Cemetery.

These changes should save you about 5 to 15 minutes on your journey.

See > http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-notices/69881/details for more information.