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« on: March 31, 2015, 03:51:47 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2015, 03:52:03 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2015, 05:41:59 PM »
ABC News --> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-20/destination-brisbane-consortium-win-bid-queens-wharf/6634680

Destination Brisbane Consortium wins bid to redevelop Brisbane's Queen's Wharf

The consortium, made up of Echo Entertainment Group, Far East Consortium and Chow Tai Fook Enterprises, wants to transform its Treasury casino, converting the heritage building into a shopping centre.
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2015, 05:47:07 PM »
Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane casino: Echo wins bid for new mega casino



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Echo Entertainment has won the Brisbane casino bid.
The multibillion-dollar development will stretch 10 blocks across the far end of the city, reaching from Queen Street to Alice Street and completely reshaping George Street to the river.
Echo's win will transform Treasury into a boutique department store and hotel, with an underground shopping mall, "skydeck", five new hotels, with three to be rated six stars, a new Lyric Theatre at South Bank and a cross-river bridge to access it.
It also promises "12 football fields" of public space.
The bid presented by Crown and its Chinese partners included three hotels, a rooftop the size of the Gabba football stadium, public gardens and pools and its own bridge to South Brisbane, complete with waterfall feature.
Destination Brisbane, the Echo Entertainment, Hong-Kong based Far East and Chinese Chow Tai Fook consortium and the Greenland Holding Group and Crown consortium were announced as the short-listed bids in December last year.
With an announcement due early 2015, the project hit a timing bump following the change in power at the January election.
Echo, which holds the city's existing casino licence at Treasury Casino, had been widely tipped to be the winning bid, but the Palaszczuk government asked for a few more months in checks, wanting, among other things, to investigate the "possibility" of retaining the George Street Executive Building, which sits in the middle of the planned project.
But with the government admitting defeat in June, announcing that 1 William Street, the new Executive Building commissioned by the Newman administration, would house the government and larger public departments, stakeholders were just waiting for the tick off.
Final bids were presented this month.
After allowing its existing Queensland interests to fall by the wayside, Echo undertook a $345 million revamp of Jupiters Hotel and Casino on the Gold Coast and began renovations on the historic Lands Administration Building which houses its existing Brisbane casino, selling its Townsville interest in January 2014 to concentrate on its southern Queensland properties.
Echo committed to moving its headquarters from Sydney to Brisbane if it won its bid and was seen as having more to lose, with its existing Brisbane casino expected to compete with the new one just down the road.
The company's shares swung upwards in recent weeks, with investors confident the company had won the Queensland casino battle, having lost to Crown at Sydney's Barangaroo.
Construction is due to begin in 2017 and is expected to take between six and 10 years.
The Echo win leaves the number of Queensland casinos at four, although licences for Cairns and the Gold Coast have been awarded, if developers can present the right project.


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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2015, 06:13:46 PM »
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Any implications for Cross River Rail with Brisbane casino plan?

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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2015, 06:16:44 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2015, 06:52:02 PM »
As per the recent Qld 2015 Budget, Wonder if there will be a contribution from Echo for the CRR formally Bat Underground George St Station?

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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2015, 08:04:05 PM »
As per the recent Qld 2015 Budget, Wonder if there will be a contribution from Echo for the CRR formally Bat Underground George St Station?
In the UK, that would be a given. But this the backwards land of Oz!

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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2015, 08:22:02 PM »
There will be demand for the station  with potential patronage with new hotels and retail. People will be wanting to travel to and from the Airport and Gold Coast. For Echo to contribute will be a win win for The government (TransLink) and Echo + Retail in the area.

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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2015, 08:39:12 PM »
As per the recent Qld 2015 Budget, Wonder if there will be a contribution from Echo for the CRR formally Bat Underground George St Station?

HAHAHAHAHAHAH no. CRR probably won't even have started preliminary works by the time the Echo precinct is finished.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2015, 09:53:07 PM »
What is the status of the land? Is it State Government land or private land or land to be leased to Echo?

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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2015, 10:59:52 PM »
Knowing the 'Queenslander!' factor (and to mention affecting interstate projects lately), I wouldn't be surprised if it's "half-arsed" with "STRAYA!" thrown in. (Insert 4 letter word the 'cool' kids use after Straya).
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2015, 02:18:37 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2015, 02:20:32 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2015, 06:02:18 AM »
Travel home from the Casino Station should be free for punters who do their dough on the gambling tables and pokies.  Perhaps the casino design should have a shute to the basement railway station for anyone who turns their pockets inside out, to reveal nothing.

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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2015, 09:35:05 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2015, 10:14:46 AM »
I thought the plan was to keep the Bat alignment  (George St Station) but not incorporate the bus component ?

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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2015, 10:32:51 AM »
Would appear that IF CRR ever proceeds (doubtful) it will be on Albert St (again).

Beyond farce ...  the foundations for these buildings will kill any tunnels is my guess.
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2015, 11:06:11 AM »
Travel home from the Casino Station should be free for punters who do their dough on the gambling tables and pokies.  Perhaps the casino design should have a shute to the basement railway station for anyone who turns their pockets inside out, to reveal nothing.
Lucky it'll have platform screen doors  :yikes:

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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2015, 11:47:53 AM »
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Premier and Minister for the Arts
The Honourable Annastacia Palaszczuk

Minister for State Development and Minister for Natural Resources and Mines
The Honourable Anthony Lynham

Tuesday, July 21, 2015

Echo consortium wins Queen’s Wharf Brisbane prize

The Destination Brisbane Consortium – including Echo Entertainment - has won the right to develop the multi-billion dollar Queen’s Wharf project in Brisbane’s CBD.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk today said the development would change the city and provide iconic infrastructure that would enhance Brisbane’s place on the international stage.

“This decision will mark the largest staged construction development in Brisbane City since the evolution of South Bank,” she said.

“It will also mark the biggest change to the tired George Street Precinct since the construction of Parliament House in 1864 and the Parliamentary Annexe in 1979.

“This development over a nine hectare site will provide massive economic development opportunities for Queensland with the creation of up to 3000 jobs during construction and 8000 ongoing jobs.”

“What’s more, Echo Entertainment will be relocating their headquarters to Queensland, in a sign of their commitment to this project and the welcoming business environment in this state,” Ms Palaszczuk said.

 State Development Minister Dr Anthony Lynham said Destination Brisbane had succeeded because they were deemed most likely to deliver on the project’s vision and objectives.

“We had two highly competitive bids for this development and the associated casino licence,” he said.

“The Destination Brisbane consortium’s plans for public space set them apart.

“Their plan for Queen’s Wharf provides space for thousands of people to eat, shop, or simply enjoy Brisbane’s subtropical lifestyle in South Bank-style open spaces and parklands.

“The Government’s strict probity and procurement processes have secured Queenslanders a development that will transform the city and bring exciting benefits to the people of Brisbane and visitors from regional Queensland, other states and internationally.”

The consortium comprises Echo Entertainment Group, operators of Brisbane’s existing Treasury Casino, Far East Consortium (Australia) and Chow Tai Fook Enterprises. 

Some of the key highlights from the Destination Brisbane proposal include:

an iconic signature “Arc” building with a feature Sky Deck containing restaurants and bars
five new premium hotel brands – three 6-star venues including the Ritz Carlton and Rosewood
a new pedestrian bridge to South Bank
three residential towers
around 50 food and beverage outlets
a riverfront moonlight cinema
a Queensland Hotel and Hospitality School with TAFE Queensland
Site works are anticipated to commence in 2017 and run until 2022.

The next step is the release for comment of a proposed development scheme for the Queen’s Wharf precinct next week.

The scheme sets out the land uses, development criteria and infrastructure envisaged for the Queen’s Wharf priority development area.

For further information visit www.edq.qld.gov.au/qwb-pda
Destination Queensland:  www.DestinationBrisbaneConsortium.com.au (external site)
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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2015, 12:08:26 PM »
Take a look at @verbatim18's Tweet: https://twitter.com/verbatim18/status/623312840904933376?s=09

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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2015, 12:14:21 PM »
I can just see the "sky deck" and other public areas being used as vantage points for Riverfire.  This itself will be great.  It'll expand the areas to watch the fireworks significantly and might offer a little relief to South Bank.

But what happens after the fireworks?  South Bank handles the crowds with two train stations (with multiple extra trains) and multiple additional buses in the dedicated busway.  Roads are closed to allow pedestrians to move freely.

Can you imagine the chaos around Queens Wharf before and after major events like Riverfire?  They might close roads to cars but they'll need to be open for buses.  But where will the buses go?

The reality is that without the underground train station (either George or Albert St), this development is going to face major issues once completed.
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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2015, 12:31:14 PM »
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But what happens after the fireworks?  South Bank handles the crowds with two train stations (with multiple extra trains) and multiple additional buses in the dedicated busway.  Roads are closed to allow pedestrians to move freely.

Can you imagine the chaos around Queens Wharf before and after major events like Riverfire?  They might close roads to cars but they'll need to be open for buses.  But where will the buses go?

The reality is that without the underground train station (either George or Albert St), this development is going to face major issues once completed.
Yep they are definitely going to need an Underground train station at or near the precinct by 2022 with 9 car sets running. (How about a new campaign Vision 2022 incorporating cross river rail with a George St Station 9 train Car Sets Running from Nambour to the Gold Coast via CRR on duplicated rail). #VISION2022
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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2015, 01:40:06 PM »
Brisbanetimes -->Queens Wharf work may begin next year

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... "Cross River Rail still can run on the previous BAT tunnel route or other routes as are to be determined," Dr Lynham said.

"We have taken that into consideration. The same feasibility with the BAT tunnel can still run through George Street."

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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/queens-wharf-work-may-begin-next-year-20150721-gih0dd.html#ixzz3gUfd3THz

Throw away lines ...  just like CRR  ... it is never to going to happen, certainly not associated with Queensland Wharf development.   Personally don't mind that CRR must now go back to Albert St.  But whether it is ever built, well that remains to be seen. 

This is the state of ' aspirational ' projects.  Glossy brochures, DVDs and I am hoping for some smart ' CRR ' smart watches that would be a nice touch.   :P :o

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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2015, 01:42:38 PM »
Is Dr Lynham the transport minister now? He seems to announce policy for Liquor and Gaming too??? Just saying!

Take a look at @verbatim18's Tweet: https://twitter.com/verbatim18/status/623339855368470529?s=09
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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2015, 01:48:39 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2015, 02:00:04 PM »
Brisbanetimes --> Brisbane casino: Lord Mayor wants 'seat at the table' 


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...The decision to award the Queens Wharf casino licence to the Echo-led Destination Brisbane Consortium has won the support of the city's Lord Mayor, who described it as a "game changer" for the Queensland capital.
But Lord Mayor Graham Quirk wants a seat at the planning table and has concerns about the lack of train services to the new casino complex ...

... Cr Quirk's biggest criticism was the Labor government's decision not to go ahead with the previous LNP government's Bus and Train tunnel.
The BaT tunnel would have had a station at Queens Wharf.
"These facilities work best when you've got strong public transportation to the door," he said.
"And there will be – there'll be bus services running down George Street, there's no question about that – but the bus and train tunnel project certainly would have seen a massive improvement and not only from the point of view of this facility." ...

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/brisbane-casino-lord-mayor-quirk-backs-bid-but-wants-seat-at-the-table-20150721-gih0gh.html#ixzz3gUl1lNWL
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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2015, 02:14:53 PM »
Queens Wharf Development is keeping with a long tradition of projects in SEQ ..

Yep, it is half-baked! 

 

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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2015, 02:15:30 PM »
Looks like Qld Labor is wanting the hype to die down alongside any mention of Transport solutions so they can breeze through this term in a holding pattern

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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2015, 02:22:32 PM »
" there'll be bus services running down George Street ... "   

Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 

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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2015, 02:23:57 PM »
Please no Double Deckers !!! 😵



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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2015, 02:29:53 PM »
" there'll be bus services running down George Street ... "   

Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 

I hope I win lotto tonight and can escape this transport madness   .....

There are already bus services running down that part of George St, they just stop running at 6pm at night and don't run on weekends. Perhaps by 2021 we'll get an expansion in the span of hours of the City Loop to 8pm?

:clp: :-r :-r :clp:

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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2015, 02:38:58 PM »
" there'll be bus services running down George Street ... "   

Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 

I hope I win lotto tonight and can escape this transport madness   .....

There are already bus services running down that part of George St, they just stop running at 6pm at night and don't run on weekends. Perhaps by 2021 we'll get an expansion in the span of hours of the City Loop to 8pm?

:clp: :-r :-r :clp:

:fp: :frs: r :bu :bu :bu
Sounds about right and if Dr Lynham will have anything to do with it?! It will be closed by 12.00 midnight with lockout at 11pm and no spirit shots after 8pm. So the city loop bus might just work. Tourist will be transported there in mini deisel busses to and from between 8pm and Midnight

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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2015, 03:37:41 PM »
 Throwaway line indeed, from Dr Lynham: "Cross River Rail still can run on the previous BAT tunnel route or other routes as are to be determined."

Has anyone with an engineering degree checked whether the Queensland Wharf development foundations are compatible with 'the previous BAT tunnel'?  I thought new Labor didn't support the BAT proposal.  :fp:

Dr Lynham seems to be saying 'let's build the casino first and worry about underground and cross-river rail later.'  BY THEN IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE.

No worries, says Dr Lynham -- we can determine some other route.  What are the other routes?  What's viable, what's not?  What are the soil conditions etc?

Dr Lynham has belled the cat -- State Labor is not thinking CRR Mark III or IV, or wherever we are at now.  No serious investigations are underway.

Then what is Anna Palasczcuk seeking $1 billion for?  Where is the project plan, what is the cost?

Was anyone on the State side horse-trading with the winning proponent to have private money invested in an underground station?  Seems not.

What is the cost to the taxpayer of having to provide PT access to the new casino -- having the public purse supporting the development in that way?

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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2015, 05:21:25 PM »
Perhaps by 2021 we'll get an expansion in the span of hours of the City Loop to 8pm?

The historical trend militates against that - it mysteriously went from every 10 minutes to every 15 minutes at some point without announcement and so is already effectively useless.

Unless it is halfway comparable to the CAT services in Perth it may as well not exist.

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« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2015, 05:46:55 PM »
Another very depressing circumstance for future transport in Brisbane ..

Anyway, must be time for a song to lift the spirits!   :P :o


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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2015, 06:02:48 PM »
I think it is evident that Dr Lynham should have stuck to face (re)constructions rather than stumbling into the world of tunnel and casino constructions.

The historical trend militates against that - it mysteriously went from every 10 minutes to every 15 minutes at some point without announcement and so is already effectively useless.

Unless it is halfway comparable to the CAT services in Perth it may as well not exist.

The remark was sarcastic, I probably should have made that more evident. The Loop bus is a joke, it is faster to walk unless the bus is right there. I'd much rather see far-terminating of frequent routes at the Parliament precinct as a way to serve this area, rather than the loop bus and pathetic routes like the 105 and 202.
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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2015, 06:33:31 PM »
^ It was plenty obvious, my reply was half sarcasm itself!  :co3

The whole inner city needs serious cleaning out sooner rather than later.

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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2015, 07:05:36 PM »
BrizCommuter has spoken, after facepalming (again).
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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2015, 07:40:26 PM »
While I think that not requiring the Queens Wharf developer to build, at the very least, a station box as part of their development is stupidity bordering on criminal; I'm not convinced that it would be wise at this point to require it either. I mean BaT was a funding program and a line on a map (and maybe a bit of geotech). That's not nearly advanced enough to start pouring concrete. CRR was better but still not much more than a glorified reference design and a business case without a funding source. And it didn't run down George St anyway.

I can't help but think that the only thing more likely to get in the way of a future rail tunnel than building foundations and basements is an inconveniently located station box that was built in the general vicinity of where it was needed because somebody thought building something would be better than building nothing. It'd be like BAC asking airtrain to start building a new station for a future third airport terminal that might or might not be built on an as yet undetermined site somewhere within the airport precinct. The chances of something like this working out for the best are incredibly low.

Not that it doesn't look already like a sadly missed opportunity, but this missed opportunity is not the real shame. The real shame is that the government still hasn't committed to when, where or even whether they will build a cross city railway, even as they continue to invest in growth and infrastructure that are hastening the need for it.

 

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