Olympics Games for SEQ 2032

[verbatim9]

LRT conversion would be better for that line

[SteelPan]

Looking good at Corinda ..



Photograph R Dow 25th February 2021

World Class!   

[ozbob]

^ World class SEQ style.  Lovely bus stop, but stop not accessible.  I hope they get it right for #Olympic2032 

[SurfRail]

Pretty sure that is DDA compliant actually.  The absolute bare minimum obviously.

[achiruel]

Doesn't it need to have some kind of access path to be DDA compliant?

Grass all around and kerbing that would be impossible for a wheelchair.

[ozbob]

Doesn't it need to have some kind of access path to be DDA compliant?

Grass all around and kerbing that would be impossible for a wheelchair.

Yo.  No access path.

https://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/traffic-and-transport/public-transport/buses/bus-accessibility/bus-stop-accessibility-improvement-program

[#Metro]

Given that the state is in huge debt, they will have no choice but to do their best to make it cost neutral and bring forward important projects.

[timh]

So the IOC's feasability assessment for Brisbane 2032 is now up for public viewing, and it provides some much more solid info about venues.

https://stillmedab.olympic.org/media/Document%20Library/OlympicOrg/News/2021/02/IOC-Feasibility-Assessment-Brisbane.pdf

So here's my take on the venues, and subsequent public transport availabilities/opportunities:

Athletics/Opening Ceremony - Albion Park Paceway (New Stadium)
I think it's a great opportunity to redevelop what I think is (my personal opinion here), a very wasteful use of land. However I disagree a new stadium is needed at all (see below). The location is also a ~20min walk from either Albion or Bowen Hills train station, and for a precinct of the size they are talking about (they also want to hold basketball in a nearby arena), it definitely warrants its own public transport connection. I have no idea what you would do here. Light rail? Spur line ala T9 line in Sydney??

Athletics/Opening Ceremony IOC ALTERNATIVES - Gabba (Opening Ceremony) and Carrara/Metricon (Athletics)
Much better plan IMO to split it among the two existing stadiums. Way cheaper, doesn't require building a new stadium which I don't think would really be warranted much beyond the Olympics. Gabba has CRR and busway connection, and Carrara is positioned in such a way I believe it falls along the planned E/W busway/light rail corridors for the Gold Coast, so there's an opportunity there for a dedicated PT link. Much more sensible IMO, despite how much I want to see the greyhound racing track go.

Swimming/Water Polo - Brisbane Live
Build above Roma Street. Tis a no brainer to put a temporary pool in it and utilise the amazing public transport connection there.

Diving, Sync. swimming, Water Polo - Sleeman
Great idea. Needs some upgrades that will be well worth it. Has the potential of a dedicated Eastern Busway/Metro connection.

Archery - South Bank Cultural Forecourt.
Amazing spot for a temporary venue. South Brisbane/Cultural Centre connections.

Basketball - Albion (New indoor venue)
The IOC's alternative here is to use GC for swimming and put basketball in Brisbane Live. I disagree. Maybe the new indoor venue would be a better use of Albion rather than a stadium. I'm down with it. Still the issue of PT connection

Basketball 3x3 - Southbank Piazza
Love to see the piazza actually get used. South Brisbane/Cultural Centre connections.

Track Cycling/BMX - Sleeman.
Obvious choice. Potential Eastern Busway/metro connections

BMX Freestyle, Cross Country Equestrian - Victoria Park
Temporary venues. Existing connections at QUT KG and Herston busway stations.

Equestrian - RNA
Obvious choice and good opportunity for a bit of a stadium revamp. Exhibition railway station

Soccer/Rugby - Suncorp Stadium
Obvious choice. Despite what others may think I believe the ~10min walk to Milton station is fine.

Gymnastics - Sleeman
The report lists the venue as "new" so I'm assuming that means a rebuild of Chandler Arena for the higher capacity (10k). Potential Eastern Busway/metro connections

Hockey - Ballymore
No existing dedicated PT corridor. 20min walk to Wilston Station. Could probably just run shuttle buses though tbh, let's be real, its hockey  . In all other respects its a perfectly fine venue for it.

Shooting - Belmont.
Easy choice, used it Comm games. Potential Eastern Busway/metro connections

Table Tennis, Fencing, Taekwondo, Badminton - BCEC
Great idea. South Brisbane/Cultural Centre/South Bank station connections.

Boxing - Nissan Arena
Good use of a great new venue. Probably can get away with running shuttle buses from Griffith station, just adding a temporary bus lane on Mains road in the southern direction.

Canoe - Redlands (new facility)
Not much info in the report on where exactly this is planned for. IOC suggests using Sydney. I'd like to keep it in QLD and it would be nice for Redlands LGA to get a venue.

Handball - Boondall
Boondall railway station. Easy.

Modern Pentathlon - Ipswich Showgrounds
The report lists this as the "existing" """"Ipswich Stadium"""", which from what I can tell, doesn't exist, so I'm assuming it means the Showgrounds??? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Potential PT connection via a new planned station on the Ipswich-Springfield line at USQ. Feels weird though. Feels like Ipswich LGA getting a token inclusion.

Rowing - Larapinta (new facility)
Again no idea where this is specifically. IOC wants to use Sydney, again I'm all for keeping it in QLD.

Sailing - Hamilton Island
YES. Great idea. Not much need for a PT connection, just take the golf buggies 

Tennis - Tennyson
20min walk to Yeerongpilly. Foaming a bit, but maybe a new Tennyson station???  Maybe on the straighter bit east of the Softstone street overpass. Could even be a temporary station? But nah in all seriousness shuttle buses from Yeerongpilly would probably fine, as much as I'd love to see the Tennyson line in use again.

Beach Volleyball - Temporary stadium on the beach at Broadbeach
Same as Comm Games. Tram connections.

Golf - Royal Pines
Close enough to Carrara you'd just use the same PT connection you're using for the big stadium for this, or maybe just shuttle from the "main line" down Nerang/Broadbeach road.

Judo/Wrestling - Gold Coast Sports and Leisure Centre
Use the same E/W connection as Golf and Carrara.

Triathlon - Broadwater parklands
Tram connections.

Volleyball - Coomera Indoor Sports Centre
We don't need more infill stations on the GC line, so shuttles from Coomera station would be fine.

Weightlifting - GCCEC
Tram connections.

Road cycling, Race walking, marathon, Kiteboarding - Alexandra Headland
Much to the locals dismay, this would be a great opportunity to get the light rail built through the area!

Mountain Biking - Sunshine Coast Mountain Bike Park
No idea where this is, googling gives me a differently named location north of Nambour. Shuttle buses from Nambour I guess  :conf

Olympic Village - Northshore Hamilton
For some reason "Hamilton" isn't named directly but the renders are clearly Hamilton, and the description says its "aligned with a long term state plans for the area" so it would have to be Hamilton. Good spot for it. DOOMBEN LINE EXTENSION PLS



So in summary, the bulk of the venues already have good Public Transport connections, with opportunities to construct already planned projects to connect with a few of them (GC E/W connections, Eastern Busway, Springfield line extensions, Sunshine Coast Light Rail, Doomben line extension/duplication). Couple that with line improvements to GC, and CAMCOS, and you've got yourself a pretty nifty little transport network for the games. Like others I doubt that a full "Fast rail" plan is gonna happen by then, especially with Palazczuk muttering "it's not in the proposal" whenever it was mentioned in that recent press conference. But with the plans listed above, it's still a pretty good outcome imo.

[SteelPan]

Given that the state is in huge debt, they will have no choice but to do their best to make it cost neutral and bring forward important projects.

Qld does have significant debt, luckily currently we enjoy very low interest rates, particularly for a govt borrower and this will likely be so for some years - IF this was not the case, we'd be in a nightmare position.

The issue is the current state govts pig-headed "no asset sales" madness. This extends even to suplus real estate assets that have long-passed their point of operational value to the state. For example, old tafe and school properties just sitting there or used for at best now obscure purposes of no pressing value, relative to the ability to realise on the asset, to BOTH reduce debt and contribute toward new generation high demand infrastructure.

Poor economic planning and management = little to no new in-demand infrastructure!

[#Metro]

I think the Albion idea for a new stadium is not a good idea. The proposal completely ignores the possibility of upgrading or constructing venues on university lands such as University of Queensland St Lucia or Griffith University Mt Gravatt/Nathan campuses.

Using universities means that the transport infrastructure is already there and that the venue can be used once the Olympics have left town.

Put the Equestrian at UQ Pinjarra Hills the whole site is more or less empty and has BUZ 444 go past it. Similar solution with basketball

[timh]

Put the Equestrian at UQ Pinjarra Hills the whole site is more or less empty and has BUZ 444 go past it. Similar solution with basketball

Why? The RNA and Victoria Park are both perfectly fine venues for this, and they already have dedicated mass transit links.



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[HappyTrainGuy]

The issue is the current state govts pig-headed "no asset sales" madness. This extends even to suplus real estate assets that have long-passed their point of operational value to the state. For example, old tafe and school properties just sitting there or used for at best now obscure purposes of no pressing value, relative to the ability to realise on the asset, to BOTH reduce debt and contribute toward new generation high demand infrastructure.

Not quite true. TMR (who took over control of QR property when Newman decided to mess things up) have been selling railway property left right and centre. Disused railway corridors are still owned by TMR but many of them have been leased to local adjoining land owners (eg Kilkivan-Theenbine section of the Kingaroy spur, Greenbank (large portions of that corridor have been leased to mining companies and the ADF who uses the line as part of their live firing range, Monto and Yeppoon to name a few) and other corridors are reserved for future use/alternative purposes eg rail trails such as brisbane valley, Kingaroy and Maryborough. So while they look unkept and should be sold off assets they are actually generating income. TMR own quite a significant amount of property in key areas that they lease out to renters. And this is because of reserved future infrastructure plans (eg everything west of the railway line from Bowen Hills to Eagle Junction is owned by TMR (if it wants to run a 5th line it simply has to not renew tenant agreements. Or in the case of the Albion tod it can evict residents using the same method - which was recently done with the TMR bikeway project in the same area). The state government could always do a BCC. Look how well selling the Sherwood depot went for them

The old QUT at Carseldine sat by quietly for a few years until TMR moved some offices there as it worked on the areas master plan which is now going ahead. It too now has markets run on the old campus grounds.

[SteelPan]

QldGovt management of surplus real estate has been a shambles, QR sold land a few years back in Rocky and recently committed to spending millions more to...buy the land in Rocky!      

[HappyTrainGuy]

That wasn't QR. It was Aurizon. It's also why aurizon have been dismantling some of the ohle in the Rocky yards. As I mentioned TMR handles all of QRs property assets so you might wanna stop talking out your ass as you clearly have no idea what you are talking about in the first place. If you are referring to the privatisation split that was over a decade ago.

As I mentioned below. It might be an old railway corridor that doesn't have a train on it but it's still making income for the state government. Eg Greenvale spur corridor outside of Townsville is still generating income despite no trains running on it for over a decade as large sections have been leased out to mines and the ADF. It's not even connected to the QR network as the Bruce Highway overpass has been demolished. The same with the Kingaroy line. It doesn't have a train on it and yet it's still earning the state government money due to farm owners leasing out pretty much the entire corridor north of Kilkivan. The same you can say about many "surplus" properties. Look about how those surplus properties around the railway line at yeerongpilly and yeronga went effectively blowing any chance of a crr portal.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/ozbob13/status/1368572408483905537

[SteelPan]

That wasn't QR. It was Aurizon....

Labor's new plan to purchase the former Aurizon rail yard site to reboot rail manufacturing has stirred up bad memories and old animosities.

THE bitterness surrounding Labor's decision to sell off Rockhampton's rail workshops has returned to the surface after the Queensland Premier confirmed her government was in negotiations to buy back the site and revive the city's rail manufacturing industry.   

Capricornia MP Michelle Landry has called on Labor's Queensland Senator Murray Watt to clarify his position on the Labor Government's land purchase plan, and to explain his involvement in assisting the sell off in 2010.

"This announcement is proof that the Labor Party treats Central Queenslanders with utter contempt," Ms Landry said.

"Senator Watt was then-Premier Bligh's chief of staff and right hand man in 2008, a year before she announced plans to sell off QR.

Source Credit: Leighton Smith, News Publications

[HappyTrainGuy]

Yawn. QR used to own it. Ownership was transferred to Aurizon as part of the split (just one of the many assets transferred). Aurizon divested it's asserts into other areas. Redbank, Townsville and Rocky were assets that were no longer needed and were sold off. Townsville yard is now shops and a football stadium. Redbank is progress rail. Rocky had planning developers that wanted the land for housing. Much of the electrification in the area has been stripped Aurizon.

[ozbob]

[SteelPan]

Yawn. QR used to own it. Ownership was transferred to Aurizon as part of the split (just one of the many assets transferred). Aurizon divested it's asserts into other areas. Redbank, Townsville and Rocky were assets that were no longer needed and were sold off. Townsville yard is now shops and a football stadium. Redbank is progress rail. Rocky had planning developers that wanted the land for housing. Much of the electrification in the area has been stripped Aurizon.

Yawn right back at you...QRN wasn't floated until Nov, 2010

Happy snooooze....

[JimmyP]

So are you against the current Gov plan for reestablishing rail manufacturing facilities in Rocky? Or just whinging for the sake of whinging?
At the end of the day, we can't change the past. Doesn't mean one can't be p%ssed  about what happened in the past, but what's your actual point with your ranting about the Rocky workshops?

[Gazza]

We can't change the past but we can definitely dab on people for it, to shame them into not repeating similar decisions.

[HappyTrainGuy]

Yawn. QR used to own it. Ownership was transferred to Aurizon as part of the split (just one of the many assets transferred). Aurizon divested it's asserts into other areas. Redbank, Townsville and Rocky were assets that were no longer needed and were sold off. Townsville yard is now shops and a football stadium. Redbank is progress rail. Rocky had planning developers that wanted the land for housing. Much of the electrification in the area has been stripped Aurizon.

Yawn right back at you...QRN wasn't floated until Nov, 2010

Happy snooooze....

So what is your point??? Should State Government not purchase the land to continue using it for the railways, continue to buy more rollingstock overseas due to Aurizon not willing to build them or should Aurizon continue to remove its railways infrastructure so land can be sold and turned into a housing estate??? Maryborough is at capacity and you can't dramatically improve things there.

[verbatim9]

ABC news --> Brisbane councillors must sign confidentiality agreements to receive special Olympics briefing

[verbatim9]

I hope they decide to build a new Aquatic Centre within the same precinct as the proposed stadium. Brisbane is in dire need of a new World Standard Aquatic Centre for swimming competitions and for recreational use. It would be a great asset for the residents of Brisbane and Queensland.

[verbatim9]

Brisbanetimes --> 'An opportunity for Qld': SEQ must build legacy if Games bid successful, Olympics boss says

[verbatim9]

InQld -->Goal-goal-goal-winning-games-should make Brisbane the nations sport HQ

[STB]

Doesn't it need to have some kind of access path to be DDA compliant?

Grass all around and kerbing that would be impossible for a wheelchair.

I use a wheelchair now (a power chair) and grass isn't a major issue for me at least.  Far more difficult boarding a bus at a bus stop that's on a slope!

[ozbob]

Brisbanetimes --> Council votes to take 2032 Olympic host status ahead of IOC decision

Brisbane City Council has voted to formally put the city forward as host of the 2032 Olympic bid after a closed meeting with confidential briefings from those deeply involved in early planning for the event, with a final decision expected to be as close as July.

Only Greens Gabba ward councillor Jonathan Sri voted against the motion after the eight-hour session, for which all had to sign confidentiality agreements. The chamber rung with applause as the meeting was again called to a close. ...

[verbatim9]

Couriermail --> Fast rail needed to expand SEQ ahead of Olympics boom $

The Olympics, fast rail and even faster supercars would shine a spotlight on the western corridor, opening up jobs and investment, the area's leaders say.

Toowoomba titans, the Wagners, have set aside a special Olympics precinct as part of their development where they reckon they can build anything required – archery, BMX and even equestrian facilities.

John Wagner said securing the 2032 Olympics would transform southeast Queensland and have massive knock-on benefits for the rest of the state with tourism exposure and procurement opportunities. But government needs to get on with building the transport infrastructure, including fast rail, the region needs to handle its growing population.

The Wagners have unveiled plans for a $175 million speedway and 40,000-person amphitheatre and motorsport precinct that will lure speed fans to Toowoomba.

The Wagners Corporation chairman said there is also land set aside for the Olympics in the region the family have transformed with the construction of their Wellcamp Airport.

Rise of the West, in partnership with the University of Southern Queensland, has celebrated this pioneering region and its people every day this week in The Sunday Mail, The Courier-Mail, Toowoomba Chronicle and Queensland Times online.

University of Southern Queensland associate professor Ben Lyons said the airport had increased high-value freight exports as well as hooking up what is, perhaps surprisingly, Queensland's greatest regional concentration of white-collar professionals with links to Sydney and other economic centres.

University of Southern Queensland Pro Vice-Chancellor Professor John Cole said the Olympics would spur facilities, as the region desperately needed a tartan running track for athletics.

He said the university was willing to co-fund the track at its Ipswich campus, but make it accessible to the community. ...

[ozbob]

Ipswich First --> Ipswich City Council backs SEQ proposal for 2032 Games

Ipswich City Council has formally backed the proposal to secure the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games in South-East Queensland, advancing Ipswich's role as a proposed host city.

At a special meeting of council today, elected representatives unanimously supported three key recommendations on council's involvement in:

To approve council providing its commitment and support to the election of Brisbane, Queensland as the Host City of the Games; and
To approve council executing the Delivery Partner Guarantee Deed and any associated documents.

That pursuant to section 257(1) of the Local Government Act 2009, council delegate to the Chief Executive Officer, the power to exercise the powers of council to negotiate, execute and manage the Deliver Partner Guarantee Deed and any associated documents on council's behalf.
Mayor Teresa Harding said the vote has sent a clear message ahead of the host decision for the 2032 Olympics and Paralympics: Ipswich is Games-ready. ...

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Cabinet supports Brisbane Olympics $

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk's Cabinet has backed a bid for the 2032 Olympic Games.

It came after Australian Olympic Committee President John Coates spoke with State ministers at a Cabinet meeting in Brisbane on Tuesday.

"John Coates addressed the Cabinet meeting and I can say that the Queensland Government, the Cabinet, has endorsed our position to support the 2032 Olympics," Ms Palaszczuk said.

The Premier said the endorsement was still contingent on "guarantees" that need to be made by the Federal Government. ...

Pinch me, I always thought they did ...   

[ozbob]

Couriermail --> Gabba to get $1bn Olympic-sized transformation $

The historic Gabba would be totally redeveloped at a cost of more than $1bn to become a beacon for Brisbane under a new plan for the 2032 Olympics and Paralympic Games.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk will today reveal more of the state's vision for the Games, with The Gabba set to be transformed as the event's main stadium to host the athletics and opening and closing ceremonies should the bid be successful, pushing out its 42,000-seat capacity to host 50,000 people. ...

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/abcbrisbane/status/1384241419800379393

[kram0]

Another reason why infrastructure at each end of CRR should be looked at with a long term approach instead of the Qld tradition of a half arsed approach.

[timh]

I think it's a good idea to use the Gabba instead of building a new stadium to keep costs down, but that new design looks gaudy. Also looks like it will basically demolish the historic primary school

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[ozbob]

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/91915

Gabba for the Games

20th April 2021

JOINT STATEMENT

Premier and Minister for Trade
The Honourable Annastacia Palaszczuk

Minister for Tourism Industry Development and Innovation and Minister for Sport
The Honourable Stirling Hinchliffe

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has revealed the Gabba as the proposed main stadium should Queensland host the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

The Premier said the Gabba has been home to Queensland sport including cricket and AFL for 126 years.

She said it was time to write a new chapter for its next century which hopefully includes the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

But to take it to that level will need the continued support of all levels of government including the Commonwealth.

"Every games needs a home," the Premier said.

"The Gabba has been home to our sport since 1895.

"A home for the 2032 Olympic Paralympic Games could be its crowning glory.

Formally known as the Brisbane Cricket Ground, the Gabba was been earmarked for upgrade because:

It is already well-used for AFL, cricket and other events
Is existing infrastructure already connected to the SEQ busway network
Is centrally located and
Will have its own Cross River Rail station already under construction connected to the stadium.
A potential upgrade would increase capacity to around 50,000.

It would also include a new pedestrian plaza linking the stadium to the Cross River Rail station which is currently under construction.

The Premier said having a main stadium two kilometres from the CBD gave Queensland an advantage other Games hosts haven't had.

As a result, the Premier said, the entire city would become a games venue with hundreds of thousands able to share the atmosphere whether they were inside the stadium or not.

Thousands will be able to board trains at a new Albert Street station in the city and arrive at the stadium in as little as three minutes.

This made the games more accessible to people with disabilities and the elderly.

The Premier said the pedestrian plaza could become a games hub of its own with concerts and even medal presentations.

"I can see the river lined with people watching big screens all taking part in the fun and excitement of the games," the Premier said.

"There's South Bank leading to West End which is connected to Roma Street via the Kurilpa Bridge with a new bridge under construction for the new Queen's Wharf development.

"There are city cats offering even more options for transport.

"All of this is infrastructure we already have."

Minister for Sport and Minister Assisting the Premier on the Olympics Stirling Hinchliffe said the Gabba is a work-horse, not a white elephant.

"It's used on average for 40 weeks of the year with major sports played in summer and winter including international sport," the Minister said.

Brisbane Stadium Designing firm Populous had provided concept designs for a possible Gabba upgrade.

Director Chris Paterson said the Gabba satisfied the three rules of good development: location, location, location.

"Brisbane already boasts the world's best rectangular stadium in Suncorp Stadium." Mr Paterson said.

"This is an opportunity to compliment it with the best round field stadium right in the centre of the city."

The Gabba would join Cairns, Townsville, the Sunshine Coast and the Gold Coast as games venues with 85% of already built.

ENDS

Please see photos and video footage attached.

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[HappyTrainGuy]

Dead or Alive had a great song in the mid 80's 

[ozbob]

Dead or Alive had a great song in the mid 80's 

This one?  Bit later than the 1980s, but no matter hey .. 

[#Metro]

So what's the Olympics train timetable and line pairings.

Will they have enough trains? Or will there be a repeat of mass cancellations with spectators stranded and a world-class debacle...

[verbatim9]

I hope they build an aquatic centre alongside. There is heaps of spare land with the Cross River Rail development. It just makes sense to have a new Aquatic Centre for use before during and after the games. The Chandler facility is no longer up to modern standards.