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Started by ozbob, February 27, 2015, 15:22:32 PM

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#Metro

Albion has a train station, QEII does not.

However, it may be possible to build a spur busway station next to the stadium. After the games that could be the initial stop for a longer busway in the mains road corridor.

Brisbane metro would have to be up and running, and this could also be a driver for bus reform.

In fact, you would want to connect the 480 to Toowong station in this scenario!
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Brisbanetimes --> Queensland's Games bid gets tourism tick

QuoteBidding for the 2032 Olympics and Paralympics gives Queensland "a shared focus", according to the state's tourism sector, which on Monday backed the bid.

Queensland Tourism Industry Council chief executive Daniel Gschwind was among a chorus of industry leaders welcoming Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk's decision for Queensland to bid to host the 2032 Olympics and Paralympics.

"I think we are in a very good position to line up our community's aspiration for infrastructure that can provide for a continued good lifestyle," he said.

Mr Gschwind said Queensland, and the state's south-east in particular, was a fast-growing region.

"I think the Olympics will give us a shared focus to evolve our state and our region in a direction that is desirable," he said.

"It is not throwing us off track. In fact I think it can help put us us on the right track for the future I think with the focus of hosting the world here."

South-east Queensland has an in-principle agreement with the federal government for a 20-year South East Queensland City Deal to deliver a range of infrastructure projects.

Queensland provided new facilities for Gold Coast's 2018 Commonwealth Games and has almost completed a new stadium in Townsville with financial assistance from the federal government.

Ms Palaszczuk said she had the support of prime minister Scott Morrison and federal opposition leader Anthony Albanese for Queensland to to bid as Games host.

The formal bid will now be put together over the next 12 months.

Australian retailers immediately backed the bid saying it could create 129,000 new jobs in tourism, hospitality and in construction.

National Retailers Association chief executive Dominique Lamb said the Games would provide a massive boost to the state's business sector in the lead-up and during the event.

"If successful, we will host around 11,000 athletes from 206 countries. This will mean a massive injection into the economy and the retail sector," Ms Lamb said.

"Economic analysis shows the majority of the 129,000 new jobs to flow from the Games would be in the retail and hospitality sectors, along with construction.

"International tourists are predicted to spend around $10 billion during the Games in areas such the Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast, the Whitsundays, far north Queensland and the Outback.

Queensland opposition leader Deb Frecklington said she had long supported Queenlsand bidding for the Olympics, an issue she made clear in her budget reply speech in June.

"The Olympics will be great for our state," Ms Frecklington said.

"My only concern is of course is whether the Queensland government has the ability to deliver the infrastructure required."

Gold and Sunshine coast mayors Tom Tate and Mark Jamieson both welcomed the 2032 Olympics and Paralympics push.

Cr Tate said the 2018 Commonwealth Games on the Gold Coast proved Queensland could host the Games.

"I think we're now more than capable of delivering the world's biggest multi-sport event," Cr Tate said.

Cr Jamieson welcomed the firm commitment by the Queensland government.

"The only way a potential Olympic and Paralympic Games bid can be successful is if the three tiers of government are locked in with the Australian Olympic Committee and the Australian Paralympic Committee as a collaborative partnership," Cr Jamieson said.

On Wednesday, a formal announcement will be made by the Olympic Candidature Leadership Group, with representatives from all three levels of government, that Queensland will bid to host the Games.
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Couriermail --> Editorial: Golden opportunity to supercharge and showcase our state

QuoteTHE starter's gun has already been fired on south-east Queensland's hopes to host the 2032 Olympics.

With the State Government's announcement yesterday that it will formally back the bid, the race to secure the greatest sporting event in the world is on.

Queensland is already in front of likely competitors, including China, Indonesia and even a joint proposal from North and South Korea. Our bid is the most advanced and is shaping up as one that will be hard to beat.

There is bipartisan political support as well as backing from the three levels of government.

Fresh from last year's successful Commonwealth Games on the Gold Coast, the region is able to put forward a compelling argument that we have what it takes to take on this massive challenge and to make it the best Games ever.

The Council of Mayors in south-east Queensland first proposed a bid with a feasibility study that showed the Games could be hosted at minimal cost and with maximum benefit for the state. The bid gathered momentum on the back of The Courier-Mail's Future SEQ campaign held last year. In June, The Courier-Mail and sister SEQ mastheads The Gold Coast Bulletin, Sunshine Coast Daily, Toowoomba Chronicle and The Queensland Times, officially backed the bid with front page editorials.

The Games vision nicely dovetails with plans for a south-east Queensland city deal that would improve transport and urban amenities for our
fast-growing region. But the fact we are advanced in our preparations is not the only reason that the bid should be successful.

If we play this right, the 2032 Olympics will provide an opportunity to fast-track the development of Brisbane and the surrounding south-east region into a global metropolis. Managed correctly, the Games can provide the impetus to deliver 20 years' worth of infrastructure improvements in just a decade, setting the region up for growth at the very time we need it most.

In the process, we stand to create an extra 129,000 jobs and deliver a $10 billion boost to tourism across the state, according to a cost-benefit analysis presented to State Cabinet.

These are the reasons The Courier-Mail has proudly been a driving force behind the Olympics bid. We have championed the idea as part of our Future SEQ and Future Tourism campaigns. And we will continue to advocate for the bid because of the massive opportunities it provides our state.

With the International Olympic Committee's "new norm" aiming to deliver cost-neutral games, the 2032 event could also avoid the risk of a financial headache for the state once all the medals have been handed out. Instead of being lumbered with massive stadiums that end up as costly white elephants for the host city, the new paradigm envisages smaller venues, better use of existing facilities and temporary structures that allow arenas to be scaled up.

The IOC has already pledged $2.5 billion for the cost of running the Games, which would run from July 23 to August 8, 2032.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said Queensland already has 80 per cent of the required venues.

What we need is better road and public transport infrastructure to allow large numbers of international visitors to get around with ease and to showcase our enviable environment and lifestyle. The Council of Mayors has rightly argued that there is no point pursuing a games bid unless it will leave a legacy of vastly improved infrastructure.

That way, instead of being a short-lived sugar hit, the games would be the catalyst for improving transport and liveability in the region while positioning the state to capitalise on a boom in tourism, trade and foreign investment.

It is worth pointing out that the benefits will not be limited to south-east Queensland.

While the bulk of venues would be in Brisbane, the Sunshine Coast and Gold Coast, there will be opportunities to host other events in regional cities such as Townsville and Cairns. And tourism industries from the Whitsundays to the Outback will be presented with a once in a lifetime marketing opportunity.

This is a race we are well positioned to win. We should go for gold.
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Quote from: #Metro on December 10, 2019, 01:25:37 AM
Albion has a train station, QEII does not.

However, it may be possible to build a spur busway station next to the stadium. After the games that could be the initial stop for a longer busway in the mains road corridor.

Brisbane metro would have to be up and running, and this could also be a driver for bus reform.

My thoughts exactly. A spur from Griffith station would be a technical challenge but a necessary one Imo, and indeed would help to possibly start a BRT line down mains road for the long term.

Albion train station is not really within walking distance of the greyhound track though is it?

Hamilton should definitely get the Athletes village, to help accelerate the development there. But only with the provision that it gets a train station too!

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#Metro

Hamilton would be good for an athletes village... But so would Woolloongabba, directly above the CRR station.

Is the Gabba not suitable as an Olympic venue?
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The 'Gabba has been MID* for opening ceremony ...

I am certain it will be used for other sports as well. 

It would be rather dumb to not use it considering it will have a CRR station.

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I think they've said the Gabba isn't big enough as the main athletics stadium. Needs higher capacity. Gabba only holds 42,000, they're looking for a venue that seats 60k. Would work for opening ceremony though.

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kram0

Quote from: ozbob on December 10, 2019, 09:37:11 AM
The 'Gabba has been MID* for opening ceremony ...

I am certain it will be used for other sports as well. 

It would be rather dumb to not use it considering it will have a CRR station.

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There is NO way The Gabba will be used for the opening ceremony in it's current condition. The 40,000 capacity is too small and the stadium dated. Why build a new 60,000 seat stadium for the athletics and then have the opening ceremony somewhere else?

The only real fix if they want this location is a demolition and complete rebuild of The Gabba. This could become a genuine option as transport links in this area will be fantastic once CRR and Metro buses are operational.


verbatim9

I don't know why they want Nathan as a venue? Mayne Yards so much better. A huge chance for Urban renewal.

timh

Quote from: verbatim9 on December 10, 2019, 18:15:56 PM
I don't know why they want Nathan as a venue? Mayne Yards so much better. A huge chance for Urban renewal.
Cheaper construction costs, pretty simple. Rebuilding a stadium over Mayne yards (and keeping the railyard open under the stadium) would be way harder and more expensive than just building a new stadium on the site of an old one

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aldonius

It seems to me that the kind of network capacity that we'll need to cope with hosting the Olympics is perhaps not too dissimilar to what we'll need for Target 400.

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As far as venues go, the site in Albion that's being considered is at least 950 metres from Albion station (and that's to the nearest corner). The broader Crosby Park area also contains two rectangular pitches (used by Brothers rugby union) and Allan Border Field (cricket). There's not much that the cricket pitch would be used for and I'd expect the rugby sevens to get prime billing at Lang Park.

What actually interests me is what could potentially be put on at the Ekka complex, especially the arena. Probably not much that isn't already covered by other venues, but it's crying out to be used for this in some capacity.

timh

Quote from: aldonius on December 10, 2019, 23:20:09 PM
It seems to me that the kind of network capacity that we'll need to cope with hosting the Olympics is perhaps not too dissimilar to what we'll need for Target 400.

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As far as venues go, the site in Albion that's being considered is at least 950 metres from Albion station (and that's to the nearest corner). The broader Crosby Park area also contains two rectangular pitches (used by Brothers rugby union) and Allan Border Field (cricket). There's not much that the cricket pitch would be used for and I'd expect the rugby sevens to get prime billing at Lang Park.

What actually interests me is what could potentially be put on at the Ekka complex, especially the arena. Probably not much that isn't already covered by other venues, but it's crying out to be used for this in some capacity.
I've been meaning to do up a fun "venue speculation" spreadsheet. Maybe I'll make a thread somewhere on here for us to all guess and I'll keep a running tally?

I bring this up coz yeah I was thinking about the RNA too. I was working at the arena the other day and I think it definitely needs a good facelift to be Olympics-worthy, but based on the infrastructure it'd be well suited for the Equestrian show-jumping and/or dressage events. And it will be well serviced by Exhibition station!

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aldonius

Quote from: timh on December 10, 2019, 23:25:10 PMEquestrian

Oh, I'm a derp. Yes, that would work very well indeed. Provided we don't have a 1956 repeat.

Stillwater

Or utilise the State Equestrian Centre facilities on 30ha at Caboolture Showgrounds.  It would require a new station at Caboolture North, to serve new housing estates there.  :bg:

https://www.qsec.com.au/Explore/Facilities

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Quote from: Stillwater on December 11, 2019, 05:13:15 AM
Or utilise the State Equestrian Centre facilities on 30ha at Caboolture Showgrounds.  It would require a new station at Caboolture North, to serve new housing estates there.  :bg:

https://www.qsec.com.au/Explore/Facilities

https://www.qsec.com.au/Home

Also works. Cab N station needed anyway.

Arnz

North Cab station would also reduce dead running for the NGR depot in Elimbah.
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Gazza

If you wanted a main stadium, what about at the RNA.

Or at Victoria Park given the golf course is to be closed, with a special events station on the NWTC branch to support the busway (Even if said branch was a stub)

A stadium at QE2 id support, but they should look at a busway extension that passes between Griffith Nathan and QE2, so Griffith can get a busway station that's in the main campus.

timh

Quote from: Gazza on December 11, 2019, 14:14:56 PM
If you wanted a main stadium, what about at the RNA.

Or at Victoria Park given the golf course is to be closed, with a special events station on the NWTC branch to support the busway (Even if said branch was a stub)

A stadium at QE2 id support, but they should look at a busway extension that passes between Griffith Nathan and QE2, so Griffith can get a busway station that's in the main campus.
Much of the RNA is heritage listed so I'd say they wouldn't like to demolish the existing stadium to build a new colossal one there.

Victoria Park is getting the new parkland development so I'd say that's out as well.

And again +1 for busway extension to QSAC. And yeah could swing it around and head into Nathan campus too, that works.

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kram0

#340
If you recall, RNA was one of two options (the other being Lang Park) for the building of the new stadium back in the early 2000's. As we all know Lang Park (Suncorp) won that battle, but I think the RNA could be a great option now with all the development that has taken place in that area.

I 100% do NOT support QE2 being used as the location is in the middle of nowhere with $hite transport options. We need the new stadium to be located in the inner city, so surrounding businesses can get the uplift and the visitors can have an experience with restaurant and bars around the location and people not just going to the event and then home again. We need to have this new Olympic Stadium connected to rail.

Another good area which has been mentioned in CM articles, was Portside at Hamilton (near the current Eat Street site). They could then connect this area (as well as Bulimba & Newstead etc) to a real metro system as per below.

https://brisbanedevelopment.com/brisbane-needs-an-east-west-mass-rapid-transit/


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Couriermail --> SEQ 2032 needs a leader for bidding company

QuoteTHE hunt is on to fill the toughest new job in Queensland: heading up the company responsible for winning the Olympics for the state.

The starter's gun was formally fired on the SEQ 2032 Games bid yesterday when political and sports leaders tasked with securing the biggest event in the world for Queensland got together for the first time since the State Government declared it was on board.

Insiders said the meeting marked the end of the "should we do it" phase, to "what do we do to win it" for the SEQ Olympic and Paralympic Games.

The most significant agreement yesterday was to form a private company — taking day-to-day running out of the hands of public servants and politicians — to supercharge the bid in time to present a convincing proposition to the International Olympic Committee ahead of the Tokyo Olympics in the middle of next year.

The leadership group — chaired yesterday by Australian Olympic Committee president John Coates, Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk, minister Kate Jones, Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner, Federal Government Games representative Ted O'Brien and Sunshine Coast Mayor Mark Jamieson — agreed to have the company formed by the end of January, with the hunt now on for a chief executive to head it.

The existing leadership group will effectively become the board of directors of the bid company, and will also be expanded to include Paralympic, athele and other community representatives.

The final structure is expected to be confirmed next month.

The SEQ Council of Mayors proposed a Games bid to fast-track new roads and rail with a feasibility study which gathered momentum on the back of The Courier-Mail's Future SEQ campaign.

In June, The Courier-Mail and southeast Queensland sister publications officially backed the bid with front-page editorials.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk on Monday announced Queensland was going for the 2032 Olympics and Paralympics, won over by projections showing billions of dollars extra would pour into the state economy and create another 129,000 jobs.

"We don't want to waste time," Mr Coates said.

"We want to make sure the early advantage that we clearly have, through the good work of SEQ Council of Mayors and now the good work of Queensland Government, through to the positive response of the Prime Minister, keeps us out there ahead of the field.

"We are in what the IOC calls a continuous dialogue phase where we talk to them about our planning. We'd like to move to the next phase that they have which is called a targeted dialogue phase.

"I will be in the IOC for the Youth Olympic Games in January and I pursuing that."

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk described the Games as a "once in a lifetime opportunity" that would spur 130,000 jobs.

"It's about fast-tracking investment. And it's about inspiring the next generation of champions," Ms Palaszczuk said.

"This will be something everyone in Queensland can share in including being able to say 'I went to an Olympic Games.'

"It's been a pretty tough year with floods and bushfires and the drought. Isn't it good to be able to end the year with something positive, something that has the potential to set this state up not just for the next 10 years but for the 10 years after that."

Mr O'Brien said the first phase of committing the Games was over, with the next phase was preparing the best bid possible as soon as possible and presenting it to the IOC to keep Queensland's advantage.

"We've jumped a hurdle and the next phase begins," Mr O'Brien said.

"This is a Team Australia effort.

"And it's wonderful to have not just the three tiers of government, but also different political stripes, all in on this as Team Queensland and Team Australia should be."

Sunshine Coast Mayor and SEQ Council of Mayors delegate Mark Jamieson said it was "really just the end of the beginning".

"The really hard work in terms of making the bid, having our bid accepted, and then getting on with the sort of economic transformation that will be possible between now and 2032 will be really intense," Cr Jamieson said.

Tourism Industry Development Minister Kate Jones said the Games would be worth over $20 billion to the Queensland tourism industry.

"This is a downpayment for the for the next generation of Queenslanders," Ms Jones said.

"It's the chance for Queensland to shine on the world stage."
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Queensland Times --> Games to 'fast track' roads and railways

QuoteREGIONAL highways and railway lines hold the key to bringing business into regional cities in the lead-up to and during the Olympics, the head of one of the state's larger businesses claims.

A feasibility study commissioned by the Council of Mayors South East Queensland, reveals an estimated operational budget for the Games is $5.3 billion.

However, that figure would be offset by a contribution of about $2.5 billion from the International Olympic Committee and the event would generate $2.7 billion revenue from sponsors, ticket sales and merchandise.

Harvey Lister, head of the world's largest event management company, says the money is worth it.

As CEO of venue operator ASM Global and one of the business heavyweights backing Queensland's push for the Games, Mr Lister says regional transport corridors are capable of "incremental growth" that could happen year on year between now and 2032.

Based on initial discussions with the government, he said there were plans in place to add public transport infrastructure.

Regional Queensland and NSW would reap the economic benefits of the Games when road, rail and marine upgrades are rolled out across the state.

"That includes rolling stock, buses, ferries on the river, in addition to ... highway (upgrades)," Mr Lister said.

"People are now living in regional areas and travelling to capital cities for work and leisure.

"It gives a reason to do it now, rather than waiting till the congestion meter redlines.

Mr Lister, who has worked on multiple Olympic Games events across Sydney, Beijing, London, Rio de Janeiro and Salt Lake City, said regional cities could also capitalise on acclimatisation in the lead-up to the Games and host athletes and training crews.

"For the Sydney Games, athletics squads came to Brisbane and used Nudgee College, who then upgraded their athletics grounds," he said.

"Those facilities are still there today and it's one of the most used athletics grounds for community and inter-school and regional athletics carnivals."

The Australian Olympic Committee said small businesses would take advantage of supply chain opportunities, allowing them to deliver goods and services directly to the Games.

"In the 2012 London Games, for example, 98 per cent of their 1036 contracts were awarded to UK companies," an AOC spokesman said.

"The contracts were worth more than 5 billion pounds (about $10 billion) and 46 per cent of them were won by firms outside of London."

In 2017, the International Olympic Committee revealed the 2016 Rio Games had created more than 16,000 jobs for the hundreds of new residences, buildings and sport facilities needed for the Games.

It claimed because of the Games, about $1.8 billion was invested in the country's tourism industry.

A 2018 study by Brazil's Institute for Applied Economic Research concluded the country's preparation for the 2016 Games led to unemployment falling across the second quarter of that year.

The research found that without the Games, Rio's GDP per capita would have been 7.5 per cent lower in the period leading up to the event (2012-14) and 5.1 per cent lower in Greater Rio.
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Couriermail --> Pauline Hanson says regional Queensland says 'no' to Olympics

QuotePAULINE Hanson will campaign against Queensland's bid for the 2032 Olympics in a move that turns the Games into a political issue for October's state election.

From mid-January, 52 One Nation billboards in regional and outer-urban Queensland will show an image of the One Nation Leader declaring, "2032 Brisbane Olympics. Regional Queensland Says No".

The bid for the 2032 Olympic Games is supported by Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk and Opposition Leader Deb Frecklington.

Senator Hanson, who is savvy at tapping into grassroots political issues, believes regional Queenslanders do not want it.

A YouGov Galaxy poll published exclusively by The Courier-Mail in August last year revealed most Queenslanders, including those outside of southeast Queensland were supportive of bidding for the Games.

Of LNP voters, 36 per cent were against the idea and 24 per cent of Labor voters were opposed.

It means One Nation will attempt to connect with at least one in four voters about ditching the bid.

Senator Hanson in January also wrote to Prime Minister Scott Morrison urging him to pull the Federal Government's support of the bid.

"The Olympics are a wonderful celebration of athletic and sporting prowess and no doubt draws global attention to the host nation but such benefits come as a considerable financial cost that as history shows is never recouped,'' Senator Hanson wrote.

"Australia's economy is still sluggish and the economy of Queensland is at its worst position in history so it is irresponsible to commit unknown funds, but probably in the billions, to a project like this at this time.

"The decision to chase the Olympics, despite having no firm idea about the costs, while there are many other worthwhile needs in this nation, could be regarded as irresponsible and misdirected leadership.

"The feedback I'm getting from everyday Queenslanders it that they're not interested in hosting the Olympics and instead prefer that funds be spent on projects that provide water security for the state and for the nation.

"The 2032 Olympics is not a nation-building project, whereas funding a project like a hybrid Bradfield Scheme or other water infrastructure, will provide benefits to Australia for hundreds of years to come."
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Couriermail --> Council of Mayors says Pauline Hanson's campaign against Olympics bid not in Queensland's interests

QuoteTHE ORIGINAL architects of the Brisbane 2032 Olympics bid have dismissed Pauline Hanson's regional anti-Games advertising blitz as nothing but "self-serving political commentary (that) does nothing to support or advance the interests of Queensland."

The Courier-Mail yesterday revealed the high-profile Queensland Senator will campaign against the state's bid for the 2032 Olympics in a move that turns the Games into a political issue for October's state election.

From mid-January, 52 One Nation billboards in regional and outer-urban Queensland will show an image of the One Nation Leader declaring, "2032 Brisbane Olympics. Regional Queensland Says No".

Senator Hanson praised the Games as a wonderful sporting event was not a nation-building project and funding should go to dam schemes.

The Council of Mayors (SEQ), which led the investigations into a South East Queensland Olympic and Paralympic Games since 2015, yesterday said regional Queensland backed the bid.

"In that time, the SEQ Mayors have always based their decision making on analysis and research, and not populism," the organisation headed by Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner said.

"It is no secret the Council of Mayors (SEQ) started this investigation to bring all levels of government together to ensure the critical transport infrastructure needs of South East Queensland are addressed as this region grows by a further 2 million people in the next 20 years.

"During these investigations, the Olympic and Paralympic Games presented an opportunity to not only create the momentum to address the region's growth challenges but deliver something that would have enduring benefit for the whole of Queensland.

"Based on the significant reforms implemented by the International Olympic Committee, South East Queensland is well placed to mount a cost effective Games proposal that will drive benefits to the regions through preliminary and lead up events, pre-Games training, tourism and business contracts.

"This has been a significant factor in informing the decision to proceed with a proposal.

"Self-serving political commentary does nothing to support or advance the interests of Queensland."

The SEQ Council of Mayors proposed a Games bid to fast-track new roads and rail with a feasibility study which gathered momentum on the back of The Courier-Mail's Future SEQ campaign.

In June, The Courier-Mail and sister SEQ mastheads officially backed the bid with front page editorials.

In December, Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk announced Queensland was going for the 2032 Olympics and Paralympics, won over by projections showing billions of dollars extra would pour into the state economy and create another 129,000 jobs on the back of the Games.
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#345
https://www.facebook.com/abcinbrisbane/posts/10158187778889669

ABC Brisbane Facebook Poll shows only 30% support for the Olympic Games Bid?


verbatim9

#346
^^ABC Poll shows only 30% in favour for the Olympics Bid. Yet when it comes to allowing Liquor in Supermarkets, Deregulation off Retail Trading hours and Daylight Saving, it's the complete opposite, with 60%-70% in favour.

You would think the same people that support the issues above would support an Olympics Bid?

Cleveland Line

Quote from: verbatim9 on January 19, 2020, 00:53:54 AM
^^ABC Poll shows only 30% in favour for the Olympics Bid. Yet when it comes to allowing Liquor in Supermarkets, Deregulation off Retail Trading hours and Daylight Saving, it's the complete opposite, with 60%-70% in favour.

You would think the same people that support the issues above would support an Olympics Bid?

Perhaps Facebook polls are just completely unreliable and non-scientific?  ???

#Metro


Polls are not worth much these days. Much better to have focus groups to tease out the issues.

Perth has an excellent PT network and has also never held the Olympics.

The Olympics is really a vehicle to gain funding priority for infrastructure projects over the other states in this regard.

A good thing is that works to the Brisbane - Gold Coast Line will likely be prioritised. This could mean track amplification, new route alignment, or other works.
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timh



Quote from: #Metro on January 19, 2020, 07:43:14 AM

The Olympics is really a vehicle to gain funding priority for infrastructure projects over the other states in this regard.


It really is in the best interests of SEQ residents for the Olympics to happen for this very reason. However, this kind of rhetoric plays into Pauline Hanson's hands perfectly because from my experience reading comment sections (a great place to find only the most learned and well-educated Australians), regional QLDers HAAAAAATE when lots of money gets spent on SEQ infrastructure, and they go crying poor.



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QuoteIt really is in the best interests of SEQ residents for the Olympics to happen for this very reason.
it needs to be in interests of the whole state....not the corner of it.......look at all the sh%t our regions go through......can you blame them for showing their frustration and turning to Pauline??

The simple and undeniable fact is......ONP despise agenda 21/2030....which is obviously about cramming as many people into the cities under the guise/punchline 'sustainable development'....



https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22267-un-agenda-2030-a-recipe-for-global-socialism

QuoteBy 2030, ensure that all men and women, in particular the poor and the vulnerable, have equal rights to economic resources," the document demands. In simpler terms, Western taxpayers should prepare to be fleeced so that their wealth can be redistributed internationally as their own economies are cut down to size by Big Government. Of course, as has been the case for generations, most of the wealth extracted from the productive sector will be redistributed to the UN and Third World regimes — not the victims of those regimes, impoverished largely through domestic socialist/totalitarian policies imposed by the same corrupt regimes to be propped up with more Western aid under Agenda 2030.

Wealth redistribution alone, however, will not be enough. Governments must also seize control of the means of production — either directly or through fascist-style mandates. "We commit to making fundamental changes in the way that our societies produce and consume goods and services," the document states. It also says that "governments, international organizations, the business sector and other non-state actors and individuals must contribute to changing unsustainable consumption and production patterns ... to move towards more sustainable patterns of consumption and production."

In plain English, the Agenda 2030 document is claiming that today's "consumption and production" patterns are unsustainable, so we'll need to get by with less. How much less? It would be hard to find a more clear and concise assessment than that offered by the late Maurice Strong, the recently deceased Canadian billionaire  and longtime UN environmental guru who led the 1992 Earth Summit, in a pre-Earth Summit document: "It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle-class ... involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and 'convenience' foods, ownership of motor vehicles, numerous electrical appliances, home and workplace air-conditioning ... expensive suburban housing ... are not sustainable."


I guess you could call 'connecting SEQ2031' our main one which focuses on transport to handle the world leading per capita rates of population growth that we are forced to endure.....which equates to a new Rockhampton or mackay every year...

Quote2017 4.90 million 1.66%
2018 4.97 million 1.43%
2019 5.046 million 1.53%

Pauline will fight tooth and nail to rob as much from that plan as she can....and have it diverted to the regions..

ozbob

The regions actually get more funding per capita than SEQ, a point not always appreciated.  The one region that is a bit light is Cairns.

Table from Cummings Economics  https://www.cummings.net.au/pdf/recent/J3168StatNote_QldStateBudget_CapitalExpenditure_2018-19.pdf

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techblitz

I cant help but notice that wide-bay figure......atrocious....its been gutted.....probably the core reason why one nation gains more support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_in_Queensland_by_population

As you can see wide-bay/Fitzroy populations are going nowhere yet seq is turbocharged......this is what you call unsustainable...
NCL needs to be an absolute priority to get our regions back on track.....which should bring more jobs to their local economies..

verbatim9

I am supportive of the Olympics bid. Especially when it will allow much needed infrastructure catch up.  Will also stay n the city when the games are on to watch and embrace the whole experience.  (Re see some live events. )

verbatim9

#354
Quote from: techblitz on January 19, 2020, 12:22:27 PM
I cant help but notice that wide-bay figure......atrocious....its been gutted.....probably the core reason why one nation gains more support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_in_Queensland_by_population

As you can see wide-bay/Fitzroy populations are going nowhere yet seq is turbocharged......this is what you call unsustainable...
NCL needs to be an absolute priority to get our regions back on track.....which should bring more jobs to their local economies..
If the Bradfield scheme goes ahead? There will be jobs galore in the regions as well making those areas liveable.

Quote from: ozbob on January 19, 2020, 11:30:43 AM
The regions actually get more funding per capita than SEQ, a point not always appreciated.  The one region that is a bit light is Cairns.

Table from Cummings Economics  https://www.cummings.net.au/pdf/recent/J3168StatNote_QldStateBudget_CapitalExpenditure_2018-19.pdf



It's about time that SEQ got some more funding. The infrastructure in SEQ is inadequate to cater for a rapidly growing region incl Toowoomba.

Stillwater

I wonder whether these figures include special payments to the regions to cover recovery spending following natural disasters such as floods and cyclones.

ozbob

#356
Quote from: Stillwater on January 19, 2020, 22:16:14 PM
I wonder whether these figures include special payments to the regions to cover recovery spending following natural disasters such as floods and cyclones.

AFAIAA no.   It is the planned budget capital expenditure (purchases).  It will be higher in actuality when more is spent in recovery, but it is interesting in that the rhetoric from the regions is that SEQ takes all the money.  SEQ does in quantum terms but when adjusted for per capita  SEQ actually is less than the regions rate.  I don't think it is unreasonable that the regions have a higher per capita spend as costs for remote services infrastructure etc. are more expensive.
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aldonius

On "cramming people into cities":

1. Sustainable development is walkable.
2. most jobs and businesses will have agglomeration benefits as long as physical attendance is required.

(1) means building reasonably densely on a population-weighted basis, and (2) means having that density not be a set of barely-connected villages, but a proper city.

(Physical attendance requirements are certainly less critical than 30 years ago but they still aren't going to go away any time soon.)

Old Northern Road

Quote from: techblitz on January 19, 2020, 10:46:33 AM
QuoteIt really is in the best interests of SEQ residents for the Olympics to happen for this very reason.
it needs to be in interests of the whole state....not the corner of it.......look at all the sh%t our regions go through......can you blame them for showing their frustration and turning to Pauline??

The simple and undeniable fact is......ONP despise agenda 21/2030....which is obviously about cramming as many people into the cities under the guise/punchline 'sustainable development'....



https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22267-un-agenda-2030-a-recipe-for-global-socialism

QuoteBy 2030, ensure that all men and women, in particular the poor and the vulnerable, have equal rights to economic resources," the document demands. In simpler terms, Western taxpayers should prepare to be fleeced so that their wealth can be redistributed internationally as their own economies are cut down to size by Big Government. Of course, as has been the case for generations, most of the wealth extracted from the productive sector will be redistributed to the UN and Third World regimes — not the victims of those regimes, impoverished largely through domestic socialist/totalitarian policies imposed by the same corrupt regimes to be propped up with more Western aid under Agenda 2030.

Wealth redistribution alone, however, will not be enough. Governments must also seize control of the means of production — either directly or through fascist-style mandates. "We commit to making fundamental changes in the way that our societies produce and consume goods and services," the document states. It also says that "governments, international organizations, the business sector and other non-state actors and individuals must contribute to changing unsustainable consumption and production patterns ... to move towards more sustainable patterns of consumption and production."

In plain English, the Agenda 2030 document is claiming that today's "consumption and production" patterns are unsustainable, so we'll need to get by with less. How much less? It would be hard to find a more clear and concise assessment than that offered by the late Maurice Strong, the recently deceased Canadian billionaire  and longtime UN environmental guru who led the 1992 Earth Summit, in a pre-Earth Summit document: "It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle-class ... involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and 'convenience' foods, ownership of motor vehicles, numerous electrical appliances, home and workplace air-conditioning ... expensive suburban housing ... are not sustainable."


I guess you could call 'connecting SEQ2031' our main one which focuses on transport to handle the world leading per capita rates of population growth that we are forced to endure.....which equates to a new Rockhampton or mackay every year...

Quote2017 4.90 million 1.66%
2018 4.97 million 1.43%
2019 5.046 million 1.53%

Pauline will fight tooth and nail to rob as much from that plan as she can....and have it diverted to the regions..

Agenda 21? Good lord
I really hope you are joking and aren't gullible enough to fall for those far right conspiracy theories

BrizCommuter

The BrizCommuter word on a transport legacy that is required for the 2032 Brisbane Olympics.
https://brizcommuter.blogspot.com/2020/01/brisbane-2032-olympics-transport-legacy.html

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