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Media release 24th September 2014

SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

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Noosa councillors against excessive advertising on buses, and certainly not on Noosa's proposed electric buses.  http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/noosas-electric-bus-gets-traction/2178365/

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I don't agree with the aversion to advertisment on public transport. There are signs and ads on buildings and the like already. Many wraps are one-way, that is you can't see in but you can see out. http://www.humantransit.org/2009/09/berlin-seen-through-a-buswrap.html

Taking into consideration the multitude of other problems, this is a 'first world' problem.

If local councils don't want ads in their area, then they are free to raise revenue equal to that made by the transit agency from ad revenue and pay the agency to keep that space empty.
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I don't have a problem with ads as such, just leave the windows alone!

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Again, I think a blanket ban isn't appropriate. A bus with an all-over advertising wrap from front-to-back is a bad idea (like the ones seen on the Sunshine Coast) and quite frankly, has a high visual impact. If there is just advertising on the back windows or a small portion of the windows, I'm not as fussed - people who need to see out of the bus can move if they wish.

For trains, with onboard station announcements and bright station lighting, it really does not matter that much. Trams is half-and-half - I'd recommend just alternating advertising/no advertising carriages. Again, those who need to see outside can move.
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

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Hornibrook are synonmous with having ads plastered the full bus length.....a near impossibility to see approaching bus stops.......if they must keep the ads on then it is time for them to upgrade to what clark logan currently have....so pax can easily see the approaching bus stop...simple

Not that its major but they also wreck the experience of going over the ted smout bridge....beautiful views of the bay wasted..
Lets just hope QR dont wreck those wonderful views from the train when hitting nerang/coomera etc and plaster ads over the windows 8)

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Not that its major but they also wreck the experience of going over the ted smout bridge....beautiful views of the bay wasted..
Lets just hope QR dont wreck those wonderful views from the train when hitting nerang/coomera etc and plaster ads over the windows 8)

They already have on some sets.

I'm not as ropable as old Dawny (Cr Crichlow in Southport) but I would prefer windows to be kept bare.

This includes TransLink's own insipid bus livery which involves plastering vinyl decals over the windowline.  The recent revision to it cuts down on this but it still encroaches on the windows a bit on some models.

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Wrap over windows is outright VANDALISM and an INSULT to the PAYING PUBLIC on ANY public transport.

Campbell Newman's comment "window wrap advertising does not obstruct passenger's view"
This is an blatant arrogant lie. I'm through will all Newman's continuous lies.

Newman is known for arrogant lies... eg. 'Our trams are world class' is nowhere near the mark, totally ignoring noise mitigation to save $$$.

Maybe Ozob can start a Change.org Partition, against transport wraps on windows in QLD,  that we and many others can contribute some weight behind the public that are impacted in their daily transits.
If Ozbob doesn't, I will...

https://www.change.org/p/campbell-newman-we-call-for-the-removal-of-advertising-wraps-from-all-window-areas-on-all-qld-public-transport-vehicles-trains-buses-and-trams

Campbell Newman's failure to understand his role as servant of the people, will result in him responsible for his whole govt demise at the comming election.

Hey Premier Newman, can you say this as one of your arrogant lies? ....
"I didn't get it right. Simply put, we have to do better. And we will.
We will listen openly, engage our critics constructively, and seek continuous improvement in everything we do".
SAY IT NEWMAN... You can't, don't have the guts.

NB. All mobile vehicle advertising is illegal in New York City. A number of municipalities have introduced strict laws in order to mandate against mobile advertisements.

PARKLAND VIEW - WRAP ON WINDOW

This is not graffiti, it's vandalism done by your govt.

PARKLAND VIEW - NO WRAP WINDOW

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I will continue to work away publicly and privately at getting the stuff removed Johny.  Please start up a petition if you wish.

I have had a fair bit of feedback re the wraps causing issues for folk.  It also destroys the views.

I do not wish to overplay this point but there are security issues as well.  Cannot see what his happening on board many of the vehicles, in fact cannot even see how many pax on board.
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Ok then, spread the news, here we go... An official Partition has been started on Change.org  :-t

https://www.change.org/p/campbell-newman-we-call-for-the-removal-of-advertising-wraps-from-all-window-areas-on-all-qld-public-transport-vehicles-trains-buses-and-trams

So let's all officially tell our QLD State Govt where to.. Wrap Off.   :pr

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Re: 24 Sep 2014: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2014, 03:36:55 AM »
 8)  Thanks.

Also useful to write to your local MPs one and all. 

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Re: 24 Sep 2014: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2014, 06:09:40 AM »
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25th September 2014

Re: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

View through an ad wrap



Petition --> https://www.change.org/p/campbell-newman-we-call-for-the-removal-of-advertising-wraps-from-all-window-areas-on-all-qld-public-transport-vehicles-trains-buses-and-trams

Have a great day! Go often, even if you cannot see where you are going!

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Media release 24th September 2014

SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

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Re: 24 Sep 2014: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2014, 06:52:24 PM »
The photos from above look like they were shot with a telephoto lens as you can still make out the dark spots from the wrap.
"What housing crisis?? There are plenty of free mobile apartments rolling around on the rails every day"

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Re: 24 Sep 2014: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2014, 11:04:05 PM »
No camera tricks with that photo.
You will notice the window is not transparent any more.
When this happens, the closer obstruction forces your eyes to focus on the window with the wrap on it....therefore distance becomes blurred as you have all this crap in the way deceiving your vision.

Here's a little fun experiment. Try putting your hand in front of your face, separate your fingers, and strain to focus on the distance.  :-w

This shouldn't have to happen, end of story.

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Re: 24 Sep 2014: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2014, 12:20:17 AM »
No camera tricks with that photo.
You will notice the window is not transparent any more.
When this happens, the closer obstruction forces your eyes to focus on the window with the wrap on it....therefore distance becomes blurred as you have all this cr%p in the way deceiving your vision.

Here's a little fun experiment. Try putting your hand in front of your face, separate your fingers, and strain to focus on the distance.  :-w

This shouldn't have to happen, end of story.

Which is how a telephoto lens works.... All you have done is focus on the background. Saying wrap on window and then having a photo with the caption no wrap window at least to me is missleading.
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Re: 24 Sep 2014: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2014, 02:45:08 AM »
I have tried to take photographs through wraps many times. Never work.

Windows are on public transport vehicles for a reason.  It is an idiocy to cover them up with ads. 

It is often disorientating to people, particularly at night.  Cannot see into the vehicle, this is potentially a serious matter.

The public is being treated with contempt, as usual.
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Re: 24 Sep 2014: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2014, 03:25:29 AM »
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27th September 2014

Re: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

Greetings,

The wraps are clearly a security issue.  If you cannot see into public transport vehicles it is hard to know what might be going on board them.

If you cannot see out of the vehicles it is difficult to know where one is at times, particularly during night hours.

Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason.   Are buses, trams and trains for passengers built without windows?  Bit of no-brainer hey?

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25th September 2014

Re: SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

View through an ad wrap



Petition --> https://www.change.org/p/campbell-newman-we-call-for-the-removal-of-advertising-wraps-from-all-window-areas-on-all-qld-public-transport-vehicles-trains-buses-and-trams

Have a great day! Go often, even if you cannot see where you are going!

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Media release 24th September 2014

SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

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Media release 24th September 2014 re-released 9th October 2014

SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

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Media release 24th September 2014 re-released 11th November 2014

Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"Windows on vehicles are there for a reason, otherwise they would be built without windows! "

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

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how we going with this?
an interesting obs on my 110(wilawong bus) this evening...
the advertising was not covering entire bus.....these wraps when wet(rain) collect droplets and the wind from acceleration has no effect so when these things get wet the water embedded in/on the wraps make it even harder to see than it already is..everything is just a massive blur.....zero visibility...however the windows that werent covered with wraps?....the wind hitting the sidescreens easily cleared all the water away and the outside was perfectly visible from the inside....

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22nd February 2015

Can we see out of and into public transport vehicles please?

Greetings,

The recent wet weather has again highlighted the very poor vision that results from advertising wraps being applied to the windows of public transport vehicles.

http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.msg153346#msg153346

" ... an interesting obs on my 110 (bus) this evening...
the advertising was not covering entire bus.....these wraps when wet(rain) collect droplets and the wind from acceleration has no effect so when these things get wet the water embedded in/on the wraps make it even harder to see than it already is..everything is just a massive blur.....zero visibility...however the windows that weren't covered with wraps?....the wind hitting the sidescreens easily cleared all the water away and the outside was perfectly visible from the inside.... "


This is very disorientating to passengers, and also has some safety and security implications.

Public transport vehicles; buses, trains and trams have windows for a reason.  It is very poor policy to be covering up these windows with advertising wraps.

Can the advertising material on windows be removed please?

Thank you.

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Media release 24th September 2014 re-released 11th November 2014 re-released 22nd February 2015

Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trams and trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"Windows on vehicles are there for a reason, otherwise they would be built without windows! "

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

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14th April 2015

Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

Greetings,

ANZAC day coming up.  100 years.



http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/43c950a6daca0ce8efe5e494ee231553?interlace=false&api_key=qy2gvdw92m3b23ptgyv4995z
BT Commemorative bus with full wrap.

Couriermail Quest --> Brisbane City Council has launched Anzac commemorative bus and ferry

There is a problem with these wraps however.  It makes it very difficult to see out of and into the buses.  Buses and other transport vehicles are designed with windows for a reason.

Any chance of safety and commonsense over-riding crass advertising?  The travelling public is being simply treated with contempt with the general placement of these ad wraps.

As a returned soldier who served for 22 years in the RAAMC, I like to think my service was not directed to making public transport vehicles visually inaccessible and I suspect other ex soldiers agree.

Stand fast!

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22nd February 2015

Can we see out of and into public transport vehicles please?

Greetings,

The recent wet weather has again highlighted the very poor vision that results from advertising wraps being applied to the windows of public transport vehicles.

http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.msg153346#msg153346

" ... an interesting obs on my 110 (bus) this evening...
the advertising was not covering entire bus.....these wraps when wet(rain) collect droplets and the wind from acceleration has no effect so when these things get wet the water embedded in/on the wraps make it even harder to see than it already is..everything is just a massive blur.....zero visibility...however the windows that weren't covered with wraps?....the wind hitting the sidescreens easily cleared all the water away and the outside was perfectly visible from the inside.... "


This is very disorientating to passengers, and also has some safety and security implications.

Public transport vehicles; buses, trains and trams have windows for a reason.  It is very poor policy to be covering up these windows with advertising wraps.

Can the advertising material on windows be removed please?

Thank you.

Best wishes
Robert

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Media release 24th September 2014 re-released 11th November 2014 re-released 22nd February 2015  re-released  14th April 2015

Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trams and trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"Windows on vehicles are there for a reason, otherwise they would be built without windows! "

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

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Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

Good Morning,

Brisbanetimes has highlighted the problem with ad wraps today.

Brisbanetimes --> Council defends bus advertising slammed by resident

Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason. To see out of and into.  Covering up the windows reduces vision, particularly at night and when wet.  It is very disorientating for passengers.

Our repeated calls about this scourge remained ignored (below).  It is a real measure of the contempt for passengers by public transport authorities?

Advertising can be placed leaving the windows clear for what they are designed to do, allow vision in and out.  Not being able to see into public transport vehicles is also a potential security issue.

It is not only buses, but trains and trams that are afflicted with this damnation of ad wraps.

No surprise to us that BCC is struggling to defend the practise.  BCC is not a team player, they are anti-network reform too.

Hope you can see out of your bus?

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Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

Greetings,

ANZAC day coming up.  100 years.



http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/43c950a6daca0ce8efe5e494ee231553?interlace=false&api_key=qy2gvdw92m3b23ptgyv4995z
BT Commemorative bus with full wrap.

Couriermail Quest --> Brisbane City Council has launched Anzac commemorative bus and ferry

There is a problem with these wraps however.  It makes it very difficult to see out of and into the buses.  Buses and other transport vehicles are designed with windows for a reason.

Any chance of safety and commonsense over-riding crass advertising?  The travelling public is being simply treated with contempt with the general placement of these ad wraps.

As a returned soldier who served for 22 years in the RAAMC, I like to think my service was not directed to making public transport vehicles visually inaccessible and I suspect other ex soldiers agree.

Stand fast!

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Can we see out of and into public transport vehicles please?

Greetings,

The recent wet weather has again highlighted the very poor vision that results from advertising wraps being applied to the windows of public transport vehicles.

http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.msg153346#msg153346

" ... an interesting obs on my 110 (bus) this evening...
the advertising was not covering entire bus.....these wraps when wet(rain) collect droplets and the wind from acceleration has no effect so when these things get wet the water embedded in/on the wraps make it even harder to see than it already is..everything is just a massive blur.....zero visibility...however the windows that weren't covered with wraps?....the wind hitting the sidescreens easily cleared all the water away and the outside was perfectly visible from the inside.... "


This is very disorientating to passengers, and also has some safety and security implications.

Public transport vehicles; buses, trains and trams have windows for a reason.  It is very poor policy to be covering up these windows with advertising wraps.

Can the advertising material on windows be removed please?

Thank you.

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Media release 24th September 2014 re-released 11th November 2014 re-released 22nd February 2015  re-released  14th April 2015

Australia: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses and trains in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trams and trains for a number of years now.  The same has happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"Windows on vehicles are there for a reason, otherwise they would be built without windows! "

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses and trams."

Reference:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

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The issue with the ad wraps is that it blocks vision. Passengers on board become disorientated which is exacerbated at night/wet. Also a security issue as not possible to see into the vehicle.

Interesting that the Gold Coast Mayor stood up against ad wraps on the trams on the light rail.
Lord Mayor Quirk has never been on a bus would not know the effects.

Ads can be placed on vehicles away from the windows. Public transport vehicles, buses, trains, trams and ferries have windows for a reason! Blocking them up with ad wrap is showing little regard for passengers.

The problem is not confined to Brisbane. I note that in all states people are agitating against the practice of blocking window vision with wraps.
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the gold coast is particularly hard if its raining and you want to try and recognise a building so you know that your bus stop is near.....

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Media release 24th September 2014 updated 7th November 2015



SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses, trains and ferries in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night, when wet and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses, ferries and trams."

"Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason.  It is very poor policy to be covering up these windows with advertising wraps, it shows little regard to the needs of passengers."

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1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

2. http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.0
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London ' Poppy ' bus. Note windows not covered with poppies ...  Lest we forget!


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Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!

Good Morning,

It is essential that advertising wraps be removed from public transport vehicles.  We have pointed out since 2014 that is is a potential security issue as it obstructs clear vision into and out of the vehicles.

Time to act.  Other jurisdictions understand the need.   Advertising can be placed on vehicles, leaving windows free for clear vision.  Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason.  Do you cover up your car windows with advertising wraps?  You don't?  Well how about removing the material from the windows of buses, trains, trams and ferries please.

Thank you.

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Footnote:  A blog comment on the CityCat Icon wrap competition -  Design a CityCat
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The security implications of these visual blockages should be obvious in the current global security situation.
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The security implications of these visual blockages should be obvious in the current global security situation.

Sure is.  Just shows the contempt public transport passengers are treated with IMHO.
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Media release 24th September 2014 updated 7th November 2015 re-released 28th November 2015



SEQ: Can we please see out of and into buses, trains, ferries and trams!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said recent publicity concerning all over advertising wraps reducing passenger vision on trams, is also an issue on buses, trains and ferries in SEQ (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"There has been an increasing use of all over advertising wraps on buses, trains for a number of years now.  The same happened to the new trams on the Gold Coast. These advertising wraps usually cover windows and block clear vision."

"We have had feedback from the public and members that these wraps do make it difficult to see out of particularly at night, when wet and can make it difficult to know location, and also make it difficult to see into the vehicles at any time. In these troubled times this is not a good security outcome."

"The advertising revenue gained from these wraps could be maintained by more appropriate advertising placement. For example, on areas of the vehicles away from windows, internally and externally."

"We call for the removal of advertising wraps from window areas on all public transport vehicles, trains, buses, ferries and trams."

"Public transport vehicles have windows for a reason.  It is very poor policy to be covering up these windows with advertising wraps, it shows little regard to the needs of passengers."

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References:

1. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/mayor-tom-tate-leads-push-to-get-ugly-advertising-wraps-taken-off-gold-coast-trams/story-fnj94idh-1227061919059

2. http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10971.0

3. London ' Poppy ' Bus showing good use of ad wrap with windows clear

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Do you support clear windows on PT vehicles @Rod4Bris @BenPennings ? @Team_Quirk is in the past on this .. #qldpol >>

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. @Rod4Bris @BenPennings @Team_Quirk @jackietrad Blocking windows on CityCats ... sure ...

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A pic from inside a tram showing a bit of window where there is a partial ad wrap covering



The tram ad wrap completely obliterates vision when full



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. @andrew_lund ad-wrap, it is a scourge and an insult to passengers ..windows for a reason

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I actually like the wraps. My public transport use is almost all done in peak hour, split 50/50 between wrapped and unwrapped buses (I live near a glider route). In the summer months, low morning and evening sun and the hectares of glass on the buses makes the unwrapped buses rather unpleasant and hot regardless of A.C., while the wrapped buses are noticeably cooler and more pleasant inside.

 

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