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Re: Gold Coast light rail - Stage 2
« Reply #80 on: July 11, 2015, 01:07:40 PM »
^ Doubtful.  Gold Coast seats are among the bluest of the blue federally.  The ALP is non-existent here.
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« Reply #81 on: July 11, 2015, 01:19:08 PM »
Obviously the Abbot lead government has no interest in holding seats on the Gold Coast strip, should the current Labor state government go ahead and provide this missing link it will be seen as meeting the needs of the local population while the Feds are giving Gold Coast residents (and visitors ) the finger and doing nothing.  Political suicide by the Mad Monk.

And the best way for the current state Labor government to give the big 'F*** you' to the Gold Coast by not delivering it a single seat at the last state election is by not building anything. Out of the 33 seats (incl. Yeerongpilly) which left the LNP fold in January, 24 of those were in Brisbane.

The state has no money and borrowing to fund a project in safe opposition seats would be political suicide. Palaszczuk and co. were elected on a platform of doing nothing. They have no interest in GCLRT.
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« Reply #82 on: July 11, 2015, 02:25:25 PM »
^I've always found that an odd strategy. Government is on a knifes edge, so ignoring a region and ensuring they well and truly keep disliking your party is supposed to help the party stabilise it's position?

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« Reply #83 on: July 11, 2015, 03:58:29 PM »
Gold Coast seats are only unwinnable by the ALP in federal elections, not state.  10 years ago the makeup was rather different.
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« Reply #84 on: July 11, 2015, 04:02:30 PM »
^I've always found that an odd strategy. Government is on a knifes edge, so ignoring a region and ensuring they well and truly keep disliking your party is supposed to help the party stabilise it's position?
There's a lot more work to be done and effort to be put in to win over a seat in enemy territory than it is to win over a seat that's marginal.

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Re: Gold Coast light rail - Stage 2
« Reply #85 on: July 11, 2015, 04:04:01 PM »
If the ALP deliver stage 2 of the LR they will gain a lot of political credibility. 

Politics needs to mature.

I am hopeful that commonsense might just prevail.
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Re: Gold Coast light rail - Stage 2
« Reply #86 on: July 12, 2015, 06:25:43 AM »
From the Sunday Mail 12th July 2015 page 15

Traps with Peter Cameron

NO-BRAINER TONY

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« Reply #87 on: July 15, 2015, 06:53:20 AM »
Gold Coast Bulletin --> GoldLinQ considering State Government offer to fund the light rail extension

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THE second stage of the light rail system is looking good, with operator GoldLinQ last night confirming it is considering the State Government’s offer to approve private enterprise building the badly needed project.

Treasurer Curtis Pitt yesterday rolled out the red carpet to the rail link, even though his government failed to provide any funding in its Budget.

“If GoldLinQ can make an approach under the framework then we would, of course, certainly welcome it,” the Treasurer said.

GoldLinQ, which built and runs the first stage of the light rail system, told the Newman government it would fully fund and construct stage two if its operational contract was extended.

GoldLinQ CEO Phil Mumford confirmed the consortium was open to discussing the $600 million plan with the Treasurer.

“Stage 1 has been a great success and we are about to celebrate the first year anniversary,” he said.

“ ... If there is an appetite for Government to consider the extension of the light rail system, then we are open to a discussion.”



GoldLinQ, which built and runs the first stage of the light rail system, told the Newman government it would fully fund and construct stage two if its operational contract was extended. Source: News Corp Australia

GoldLinQ’s proposal was based on a line linking from the existing tram station at Parkwood, along Smith Street, west to Helensvale.

Mr Pitt said a new private enterprise investment scheme unveiled by the government this week would allow the rail link to be built despite the lack of state funding.

“I would say look at market-led proposals,” he said.

GoldLinQ is seeking more information about the new system since guidelines were yet to be released.

“Until this detail is known, GoldLinQ is unable to form any views of an appropriate PPP structure to propose for Stage 2 of the light rail,” Mr Mumford said.

Light Rail Business Advisory Group chairman Steve Harrison welcomed the news that the project was finally looking at being on track.

“This is terrific ...,” he said.

“A lot of people have been working for the past two years to get to this point.

“I congratulate the government on supporting it.”

The State Government was keen to move ahead and link the light rail to heavy rail but refused to find the money unless the Federal Government paid for a third of the project.

Surfers Paradise MP and Opposition treasury spokesman John-Paul Langbroek slammed the Budget and said the lack of funding for the tram system was a blow to the city.

“I think Gold Coasters have every reason to be disappointed by today’s Budget, with less expenditure in the region and no funding for the light rail extension that the Bulletin has spoken about so fervently and passionately for so long,” he said.
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Re: Gold Coast light rail - Stage 2
« Reply #88 on: July 15, 2015, 07:02:15 AM »
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Re: Gold Coast light rail - Stage 2
« Reply #89 on: July 15, 2015, 04:29:48 PM »
Brisbanetimes --> Gold Coast awaits $300m rail decision
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« Reply #90 on: July 15, 2015, 06:03:58 PM »
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Surfers Paradise MP and Opposition treasury spokesman John-Paul Langbroek slammed the Budget and said the lack of funding for the tram system was a blow to the city.

“I think Gold Coasters have every reason to be disappointed by today’s Budget, with less expenditure in the region and no funding for the light rail extension that the Bulletin has spoken about so fervently and passionately for so long,” he said.

So, let me get this straight.  The ****heads who opposed the GCLR project the entire time they were in opposition, said it would become a white elephant when in Government, refused to accept GoldLINQ's offer to build stage two at zero capital outlay to the State Government, are now complaining that there's no money for it in the budget?

Hey, Langbroek, go !@#$ yourself!

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« Reply #91 on: July 15, 2015, 06:18:31 PM »
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/commonwealth-games-rail-decision-needed-within-weeks-light-rail-company-20150715-gicquj.html

Have a look at the comments. Tony Abbott, Canberra etc.

The capital of Queensland is Brisbane. GCCC, GoldLinq and Queensland Government can fund this project if they wanted to. It's just that every last drop of political mileage needs to be milked before it does.

This is what happens when you insist on federal funding, for what is really a local and regional project. You get put into competition with other state capitals, and roads, you have massive delays no good reason.

Put a light rail levy on GCCC to cover the gap. Plenty of property owners on the GC will have their property values boosted by this service - their value boost is coming off the back of public funds and public infrastructure.

In addition to this, what is GCCC getting in exchange for payment? GCCC should look at exchanging share capital in the GoldLinQ for the funds it provides, rather than write a cheque and have only the social returns from it.
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« Reply #92 on: July 15, 2015, 06:20:16 PM »
ABC Gold Coast --> Breakfast - Gold Coast tram operator GoldLinQ won't fully fund Stage 2

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Current Gold Coast tram operator GoldLinQ says it needs government money to build Stage 2 of the light rail and the clock is ticking to extend the tram to the train in time for the 2018 Commonwealth Games.

"Time is of the essence here ... we're down to weeks not months (to sort out the funding and building of the light rail extension to the train)," says Phil Mumford, CEO of GoldLinQ.

Despite previous indications from Gold Coast Mayor Tom Tate that the tram operator could fully fund Stage 2 at no cost to the taxpayer, GoldLinQ says Stage 2 needs government money.

But it could contribute a fair bit of the capital.

"We're not a single P organisation, we're a PPP (Private Public Partnership). All things are possible but PPPs don't typically work like that (as there is usually)an equal contribution from government and the private sector," says Phil Mumford.

"Anything with public transport funding behind it needs to be a PPP. I can't say GoldLinQ could fully fund this without cost to the taxpayer. That's not the arrangement we run," says Mr Mumford.

Phil Mumford is speaking with Bern Young on Breakfast, 91.7 ABC Gold Coast.
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« Reply #93 on: July 15, 2015, 06:26:12 PM »
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Despite previous indications from Gold Coast Mayor Tom Tate that the tram operator could fully fund Stage 2 at no cost to the taxpayer, GoldLinQ says Stage 2 needs government money.

There is always a cost to the taxpayer, whether now or later. To think otherwise is to believe in magic pudding.
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Re: Gold Coast light rail - Stage 2
« Reply #94 on: July 15, 2015, 07:05:55 PM »
http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/gold-coast-glink-extension-last-chance.html
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« Reply #95 on: July 16, 2015, 03:42:13 AM »
Gold Coast Bulletin --> Palaszczuk under pressure to fund light rail in time for Commonwealth Games

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THE Palaszczuk Government would need to sign off on an extension to the Gold Coast light rail system within weeks for it to be running in time for the 2018 Commonwealth Games.

The clock is ticking on the second stage of the system after Labor failed to offer any funding in its first Budget handed down on Tuesday.

But it offered hope in the form of a new investment scheme that would allow existing operator GoldLinQ to build the link.

The Government said the project was a perfect fit for its new market-led scheme and could be assessed within the tight deadline.

But a sticking point has emerged, with GoldLinQ now looking for a State Government contribution before the light rail can be connected to the heavy rail at Helensvale.

Previously the consortium had indicated it was prepared to deliver the project at no cost to taxpayers and the pledge had been repeated by Gold Coast Mayor Tom Tate.

GoldLinQ CEO Phil Mumford yesterday said state money was not required immediately for stage two to go ahead but the government needed to at least make a future funding commitment.

“We would welcome the opportunity to be part of a market-led proposal,” Mr Mumford said.

“But we have weeks, not months to get going on this.”

Mr Mumford said a number of important steps needed to be taken before construction of the light rail from Parkwood to the Helensvale train station could start early in the new year.

The procurement process for additional trams and train lines needed to begin while GoldLinQ also needed to obtain firm prices on construction and finalise funding support.

A contract between GoldLinQ and the State Government would also have to be in place.

Gold Coast Mayor Tom Tate has previously pledged his council would pay a third of the estimated $600 million cost.

Speaking yesterday from Glasgow, Cr Tate welcomed the news things were moving ahead and said he was keen to play a role in fast-tracking negotiations.

The mayor confirmed planning for the second stage had been going on behind the scenes and the project could still be delivered in time.

“We got the ball rolling on this four months ago and a lot of work has already done,” he said.

“Treasury will be able to see the benefits of it and I am happy to help the state with my input on how to get there.”

The online portal for the new investment scheme went live yesterday.

The time frame is tight because bad weather needs to be allowed for in the construction schedule.

In a Gold Coast Bulletin online survey, 79 per cent of Gold Coasters believed the State Government should have budgeted for the project.

Mantra Group CEO Bob East, speaking at his company’s annual conference yesterday, hailed the light rail’s role in the rejuvenation of Surfers Paradise.
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Re: Gold Coast light rail - Stage 2
« Reply #96 on: July 16, 2015, 03:49:05 AM »
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#GoldCoast Light Rail > http://brizcommuter.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/gold-coast-glink-extension-last-chance.html … #qldpol #auspol > #springst #nswpol #sapol #wapol #taspol ding ding!



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Good work Brizcommuter !   :P
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« Reply #97 on: July 16, 2015, 05:55:05 AM »
Again there are millions for road upgraded but nothing for this!!! Prioritisation problem not a funding one

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« Reply #98 on: July 16, 2015, 06:59:59 AM »
State, GCCC and GoldLinQ can fund the LRT extension. GCCC rates revenue will go through the roof with all the stimulated development and change to land values around the corridor.

Light Rail Levy!
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« Reply #99 on: July 16, 2015, 07:32:09 AM »
Meanwhile we all ignore the long-term cost of spending billions on expanding road capacity!!

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« Reply #100 on: July 16, 2015, 07:43:08 AM »
Most do, some of ' we ' do understand the mindless dog chasing its tail road capacity game hey?  :P

And it is a game that is breaking the Australian economy. 

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« Reply #101 on: July 16, 2015, 07:57:38 AM »
Sorry it was a very royal We

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« Reply #102 on: July 16, 2015, 08:03:12 AM »
Understood ..   :hc
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Re: Gold Coast light rail - Stage 2
« Reply #103 on: July 16, 2015, 04:20:53 PM »
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BREAKING @jackietradmp says @AnnastaciaMP will take #GoldCoast light rail issue to Canberra next week #GC #transport #commgames2018

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Time for a song I guess ..   :o   :P

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« Reply #104 on: July 16, 2015, 04:54:44 PM »
And another ...   :tr :tr

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« Reply #105 on: July 16, 2015, 05:00:56 PM »
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BREAKING @jackietradmp says @AnnastaciaMP will take #GoldCoast light rail issue to Canberra next week #GC #transport #commgames2018


This is an exercise in public relations. Abbott et al are approaching an election, hence bad news maximisation is the goal. The purpose is to go to Canberra, get rejected (as they expect) which will then generate negative headlines they can use.

What is the purpose of the trip? They already know the rules for funding, and those have not changed.
The way I like to think about Federal funding is to ask 'How would someone in another state benefit from this project?', and the answer is, they wouldn't. Unlike a national road or a national freight rail system or national defence, this project doesn't pass the national character test.

GCCC, GoldLinQ and The Queensland Government could fund this project and they have the means to do so. GCCC could declare a light rail levy for the project. Alternatively, the Queensland Government could impose a land tax at something like 0.1% or somewhere in that ballpark on all properties within the Gold Coast region to pay for light rail.

Problem solved.

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Re: Gold Coast light rail - Stage 2
« Reply #106 on: July 16, 2015, 05:05:55 PM »
Special COAG next week ..

https://www.coag.gov.au/

The Council of Australian Governments will hold a Leaders’ retreat and special meeting of COAG on 22-23 July 2015


They can all sit in a circle and hold hands, and sing .. " If I didn't have a dime ... "  8) :P :hg
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« Reply #107 on: July 16, 2015, 05:23:55 PM »
All the State premiers say that before they head for some money for a piece of infrastructure

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« Reply #108 on: July 16, 2015, 05:24:11 PM »
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BREAKING @jackietradmp says @AnnastaciaMP will take #GoldCoast light rail issue to Canberra next week #GC #transport #commgames2018

What, again? 

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« Reply #109 on: July 16, 2015, 05:38:30 PM »
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« Reply #110 on: July 16, 2015, 06:59:12 PM »
ABC Gold Coast ‏@abcgoldcoast 15m

BREAKING @jackietradmp says @AnnastaciaMP will take #GoldCoast light rail issue to Canberra next week #GC #transport #commgames2018

Dialogue at COAG next week:

Anna 2.0: "Fund GCLRT please."
Tony: "No."
Anna 2.0: "RAAARRRGGHHH LNP CUTS BLACKMAILING GOVERNMENT COME TO THE TABLE CANNOT ACCEPT NEWMAN DEFEAT TONY HATES QLD" etc.
Rinse and repeat for the next 13 or 30 months (depending on who gets kicked out of parliament first).

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« Reply #111 on: July 16, 2015, 07:23:34 PM »
Given the budget situation, it is important to achieve two goals: (1) build nothing for the next 3 years, and (2) sheet the blame home to someone else.
Qld already has the tools to raise the revenue if it wants to.

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« Reply #112 on: July 16, 2015, 07:26:05 PM »
Tony will say the way to fund Light Rail is take ACT's example of Asset recycling like ACT TAB sale That's how you fund commuter rail LOL! But maybe Qld has something to sell asset wise which is not politically controversial ?

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« Reply #113 on: July 16, 2015, 08:00:36 PM »
https://www.prosper.org.au/land-value-capture/


http://www.prosper.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/value-capture-feedback.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=672554&page=36

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Guests at an Urban Development Institute of Australia Gold Coast lunch heard yesterday that light rail stations could be mixed-use development magnets because surrounding property could fetch price and rent premiums from 5 to 50 per cent.

That is council and state government funds going straight to developers.
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« Reply #114 on: July 16, 2015, 08:04:37 PM »
Very true but how would developers come up with the money before hand because they would have to borrow in most cases. Developers borrow, build sell off the plan then sell residual built apartments pay back loan, announce profit then move on.

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« Reply #115 on: July 16, 2015, 08:33:49 PM »
I believe the phrase LD used previously was 'borrow against the expected revenue stream'

So the government would estimate the additional revenue (from a levy/landtax) over X years, borrow that much and then pay it off using that revenue.

It's a bit risky but could probably work. Just painful to spring it on people with this sort of timeframe.

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« Reply #116 on: July 16, 2015, 08:34:43 PM »
Ah! get it

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« Reply #117 on: July 16, 2015, 09:06:22 PM »
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Very true but how would developers come up with the money before hand because they would have to borrow in most cases. Developers borrow, build sell off the plan then sell residual built apartments pay back loan, announce profit then move on.

This can be a bit controversial because people suddenly realise that if they want to increase their consumption of public goods and services (an entirely legitimate choice), well they will have to pay for it. On the other hand, if someone builds LRT next to your house, your property value will be boosted so much - who paid for that? The taxpayer did, so that is a windfall for you at public expense.

In purely crude terms, building LRT is a bit like throwing bags of taxpayer cash over nearby residences' fences.

You have a citywide ballot to extend the LRT. You could put in phase 2 and phase 3 (broadbeach further south). Give it to voters, if they approve you phase it into the rates notice, or a State Government rates notice just for the GC area.

MTR Hong Kong makes good use of the value that spills over from its PT infrastructure. It develops properties around stations which generate a revenue stream. In the Australian context this might be harder to do simply because the land near the station is already held privately, NIMBY and at outer areas the density is too low to justify large developments like that. So some modification to the concept is necessary for the Australian context.

Land Tax in a way pushes back on NIMBY because if property values rise due to supply restrictions - then the amount they have to pay in taxes also increases.
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« Reply #118 on: July 17, 2015, 03:03:14 AM »
Brisbanetimes --> Palaszczuk to tackle PM on Gold Coast rail

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Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk will speak next week with Prime Minister Tony Abbott at COAG to find a funding solution to link the Gold Coast's light rail project to the main rail line before the Commonwealth Games.

There is now only weeks remaining to reach a funding agreement in order to have the second stage of the project connected to the main rail line in time for the 2018 Commonwealth Games ...

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/premier-palaszczuk-to-talk-with-pm-abbott-over-gold-coast-light-rail-20150716-gie3gl.html#ixzz3g4has2P1
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« Reply #119 on: July 17, 2015, 07:13:08 AM »
Gold Coast Bulletin --> Businesses concerned light rail stage 2 will be sidelined with investment scheme

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GOLD Coast businesses are urging the State Government not to use their new investment scheme as a way of ­sidelining the $600 million second stage of the light rail.

Under pressure to fund the project this week, Treasurer Curtis Pitt announced a new “market-led” way for private interests to build public projects without going to tender and indicated the light rail would be a perfect candidate.

But yesterday Mr Pitt was unable to give any guarantees about the project and how it would be received by the State Government.

“ ... should a final proposal be received the Government will consider it on its merits,” he said.

“Given the potential funding implications for the State related to the project, the Government will consider its priority, value for money and risk and cost allocation in the proposal — there will need to be key areas of assessment.”

Mr Pitt also appeared to have changed his tune after ­indicating the market-led investment scheme was the way forward for the project, yesterday saying contributions from the Federal Government and Gold Coast City Council would be needed if it was going to be delivered by the 2018 Games.

Light rail operator GoldLinQ has offered a public-private partnership as a way of building an extension without an initial outlay of public funds.

GoldLinQ representatives went to ground yesterday after CEO Phil Mumford earlier told the ­Bulletin the Government had “weeks, not months” to approve the project.

Gold Coast Light Rail Business Advisory Group chairman Steve Harrison said: “The business community is hoping that this is not an overly-­bureaucratic process — there should be no delay in making a decision.”

A Bulletin survey earlier this month found 82 per cent of residents saw the extension as the single biggest priority for the city, and 40 of the city’s biggest employers and most successful businesspeople have also publicly backed it.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has repeatedly ruled out funding the extension but Deputy Premier Jackie Trad yesterday said Premier Anastacia Palaszczuk would ask him again at the Council of Australian Governments meeting next week.

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