Started by ozbob, July 27, 2014, 15:38:52 PM
Quote from: #Metro on May 09, 2023, 15:42:49 PMI'm not against a new car bridge. Two lanes each way isn't excessive, and the current one lane each way has been like that since 1936.Majority of users are local and it's likely to stay that way.Additional PT/AT improvements are possible, and any new road would also have to accommodate cyclists (Mark Bailey introduced this requirement).Having better eScooter access at stations would help greatly as well. A logical place to feed buses locally is Indooroopilly station. This is in part because express train services stop there. The bottleneck the existing bridge presents is an obstacle to doing that, particularly for interchanging passengers where the bus connection must be reliable.Any unreliability in a connecting bus translates directly into a bus-train interchange penalty. The penalty exists because of the uncertainty in making the bus-train connection reliably.Weighing these considerations, I don't have an objection to it. It's a project that is similar in nature and intent to the Summers Road Interchange upgrade IMHO.
Quote from: #Metro on May 09, 2023, 16:28:17 PMWell, would members support closing the existing walter taylor bridge to all car traffic except emergency vehicles and buses, similar to the Eleanor Schonell Bridge?And build no replacement.If not, why not?
QuoteThe slippery slope concerns that this would result in a freeway being built here seem unlikely to eventuate. The local arterial has a lower speed limit than a freeway, it is not limited access like a freeway, it also has many side streets coming in and out and traffic light controlled intersections. None of these are conducive to a freeway ever being built.
QuoteA new rail and car bridge from Chelmer to Indooroopilly could cost up to $1.3 billion, but doing nothing is not an option, a Council intergovernmental working group report has concluded.The existing Walter Taylor Bridge, a car-only bridge adjacent to a cycle/pedestrian bridge and a rail crossing, has been choked with traffic in peak periods for years.However, Council has consistently called on the State Government to fund any new crossing, while Transport Minister Mark Bailey wants Council to build it.The working group identified six options for new river crossings upstream or downstream of the Walter Taylor, all of which it said would be technically challenging.But Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner said it was clear locals supported significant transport solutions and that he remained committed to chip in funding if other levels of government did the same. ...
" A bridge too far " (Indooroopilly)
10th May 2023
Brisbane City Council's Chelmer to Indooroopilly River Crossing...Posted by RAIL - Back On Track on Tuesday, 9 May 2023
" A bridge too far " (Indooroopilly)
10th May 2023
Brisbane City Council's Chelmer to Indooroopilly River Crossing...
Quote from: SurfRail on May 10, 2023, 13:12:55 PMMy preferred solution is to remove the existing Council.
QuoteThere is a renewed push to reopen Brisbane's forgotten Tennyson rail line in the western suburbs rather than spending a billion dollars on two new car bridges at Indooroopilly.Brisbane City Council this week released six options to reduce congestion over Indooroopilly's 87-year-old Walter Taylor Bridge, costing between $800 million and $1.3 billion.Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner on Tuesday offered to pay one-third of the cost and asked the Queensland and Australian governments to each contribute a third. ...
Quote... Schrinner said on Sunday it was time to reconsider the Tennyson line after Transport Minister Mark Bailey refused on Friday to co-fund Brisbane City Council's first option to reduce road congestion, a new bridge expected to cost between $800 million and $1.3 billion at Indooroopilly."I've already committed to funding a third of the cost of another Indooroopilly to Chelmer river crossing, which is a significant amount," Schrinner said."So it's disappointing to hear Mark Bailey can't even be bothered to stump up a single dollar for a river crossing he's campaigned for as the local MP. ...
QuoteMr Bailey said he campaigned on the need to accelerate work around the Indooroopilly bridge at the November 2017 state election after the council appeared to stall its planning."I got a 6.5 per cent swing to me in the booths in the Chelmer, Graceville, Sherwood area and that was one of the key things that I campaigned on, so people want to see action from them and not just putting their head in the sand and hoping it will go away, because it won't," Mr Bailey said.
Quote"The State Government's current investigations into the potential future relocation of the Indooroopilly bus station including closer to the existing train station, will also inform traffic and transport needs along this road corridor."
Quote from: Mark Bailey Facebook PageThis was Walter Taylor Bridge this morning at Chelmer. Worse than ever. The need for the LNP City Council to start either design work or a
QuoteRecently you would have received a flyer from the Lord Mayor about the Chelmer to Indooroopilly River Crossing Pre-feasibility Study. Despite what can only be described as a flimsy study with very limited public consultation, the Lord Mayor has announced another bridge is coming. As per usual, his face was all over the flyer. Perhaps he will name it after himself.The Lord Mayor's solution is to build another bridge with all traffic forced to use the existing congested and constrained Coonan Road corridor via an overpass over the Indooroopilly Rail Station and ask another level of government to fork out for the $1.3 billion price tag. It is a tricky plan from a Lord Mayor who only wants to play politics not find real solutions to the congestion problems our community faces every day. Almost immediately, the State Government has ruled out funding a new bridge saying it is a Council responsibility.Most concerningly, some of the key Study findings presented to you by Council are very misleading.For example, Council advises that the majority of trips (about 75%) are "generated locally." Council's "local" metric is either that a trip starts or finishes in suburbs close to the Bridge. For example, a trip from Ipswich to Indooroopilly or North Lakes to Corinda is considered a "local trip" by Council. That's not local by anyone's reasonable understanding.While Council presents the outcome of consultation as 85% of people in favour of "infrastructure improvements to the district and river crossing," this does not give a good picture of what people wrote in the "other box" relied on for this metric. See pie chart.Worse still, what the Lord Mayor and Council didn't tell you in their glossy flyer is that the Study forecasts traffic could increase by up to 48% with a new bridge and it would be overcapacity within 10 years. My greatest concern is that the adverse impacts of thousands of extra vehicles a day, including trucks, using Honour Ave or Oxley Rd will irrevocably change and damage the amenity and safety of our community.What is clear from the Study is that local residents want action on congestion via better public and active transport options as well as local intersection improvements around the Bridge.Here are just some of my ideas and I want to hear yours:. make public transport for students free during school and uni terms (Council subsidises seniors' fares, so why not students);. local bus loops to rail stations, especially Indooroopilly and Graceville;. bring City Cats up the river connecting Chelmer-Graceville-Tennyson-Indro with UQ;. build new pathways and bikeways south of the river where they are missing;. an intersection upgrade for Westminister/Coonan St and others; and. a detailed, green paper and proper investigation into the best location for a new traffic bridge (or tunnel) in the Western Suburbs. I think the Lord Mayor should take a step back from the flawed, presumptive decision to duplicate the Walter Taylor Bridge. We need action now, practical projects that won't make the problem worse. The Lord Mayor might be out of them but I know our community is not! Let's come up with some solutions ourselves. I've put together a short survey to seek residents' views about a bridge upgrade, traffic safety improvements, better public and active transport or any other out of the box ideas. Click here to take the survey and let me know your views.
QuoteWorse still, what the Lord Mayor and Council didn't tell you in their glossy flyer is that the Study forecasts traffic could increase by up to 48% with a new bridge and it would be overcapacity within 10 years. My greatest concern is that the adverse impacts of thousands of extra vehicles a day, including trucks, using Honour Ave or Oxley Rd will irrevocably change and damage the amenity and safety of our community.
Quote* 1. Nicole's ideas to reduce congestion (select your top 3):
QuoteMake public transport for students free during school and university terms (Council subsidises seniors, so why not students?)
QuoteLocal bus loops to rail stations, especially Indooroopilly and Graceville
QuoteBring City Cats up the river connecting Chelmer-Indooroopilly with UQ (and beyond)
QuoteBuild new pathways and bikeways south of the river where they are missing
QuoteAn intersection upgrade for Westminister St/Coonan St, IndooroopillyAn intersection upgrade for Bridge St/Wharf St, ChelmerBan the right hand turn Coonan St/Radnor St, IndooroopillyLimit rat-running through Longman Tce/Regatta St by restricting Bridge access between 7am and 9am
QuoteToll non-local traffic on the Walter Taylor Bridge (like the Go Between Bridge)
QuoteTrial cars on the Eleanor Schonell Bridge to divert traffic
QuoteTunnel under the River
QuoteWiden Coonan StDemolish the heritage-listed Walter Taylor Bridge and replace it with a new four lane bridge
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