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« on: May 06, 2014, 06:32:56 AM »
Interesting discussion on 612 ABC Brisbane this morning on timetable fat. Larry Matters, retired driver and senior safety investigator has written an article in the Railway Digest on it.  Hopefully interview up on 612 blog later this morning ..

Interesting snippet from the Sunshine Express March - April 2014

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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2014, 06:43:07 AM »
Great interviews.  Minister for Transport Mr Emerson was also interviewed.   
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2014, 08:13:37 AM »
http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2014/05/why-timetable-padding-leads-to-bored-train-drivers-and-traffic-congestion.html?site=brisbane&program=612_breakfast

Why timetable padding leads to bored train drivers and traffic congestion

06 May 2014 , 7:52 AM by Spencer Howson

Last week on 612 Breakfast, you heard how trains are slowing down in southeast Queensland. Yes they're on time more often - but they now have longer to complete the same journeys.

Well you're about to hear the impact this so-called "timetable fat" is having on, of all things, traffic congestion and the possible safety risks of slowing down the trains!

In a moment to Transport and Main Roads Minister Scott Emerson.

But first, Larry Matters is a former diesel and electric train driver, who later spent ten years as a senior transport safety investigator with the Australian Transport Safety Bureau. He was the lead investigator of the 2008 tilt train crash.

Larry has penned an article in Railway Digest magazine where he spells out his concerns about the slowing down of Brisbane's suburban trains:

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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2014, 08:39:52 AM »
http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2014/05/why-timetable-padding-leads-to-bored-train-drivers-and-traffic-congestion.html?site=brisbane&program=612_breakfast

Why timetable padding leads to bored train drivers and traffic congestion

06 May 2014 , 7:52 AM by Spencer Howson

Last week on 612 Breakfast, you heard how trains are slowing down in southeast Queensland. Yes they're on time more often - but they now have longer to complete the same journeys.

Well you're about to hear the impact this so-called "timetable fat" is having on, of all things, traffic congestion and the possible safety risks of slowing down the trains!

In a moment to Transport and Main Roads Minister Scott Emerson.

But first, Larry Matters is a former diesel and electric train driver, who later spent ten years as a senior transport safety investigator with the Australian Transport Safety Bureau. He was the lead investigator of the 2008 tilt train crash.

Larry has penned an article in Railway Digest magazine where he spells out his concerns about the slowing down of Brisbane's suburban trains:

Click --> here!

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 :clp: well done Larry!

Interesting interview.  I feel that Scott Emerson is really out of his depth when it comes down to the technical running of a railway, especially after that interview.  I'm yet to see the article, but I'd be interested in looking at the timetables across the board over the past 10 years to see what changes have been made.  Does anyone have access to old timetables?

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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2014, 09:25:33 AM »
Was not the Minister's best effort I agree STB.  Instead of blaming labor ....  move on.  Be gracious for the feedback and perhaps suggest will look at it.

There is fat, pure and simple.  Some fat is needed though to allow for mobility impaired pax assistance and a buffer.  The balance though is to far over on the fat side IMHO.
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2014, 11:02:52 AM »
Thank goodness there's finally been an article on timetable fat on the rails. It really is excessive. Emerson also seemed out of his depth in the ABC interview.

Timetable fat is also existent beyond the rail network too - its in the buses as well. It reminds me of the 412 timetable. That thing is not just fat, it is obese. For example, the 411 and 412 leave from identical city points (Adelaide St Stop 40 vs. Roma St Stop 138) and once an hour at night, leave at the same time (:15 past the hour for both stops). 411 takes 8 minutes, 412 takes 11 minutes. Google Maps says the trip by car takes 6 minutes.

It might take 11 minutes in the interpeak, but it won't take 11 minutes at 11pm on a Sunday night. I wouldn't be surprised if this same issue is present on the rail network as well, but to a lesser extent (thanks to less traffic variability).
Is it really that hard to run frequent, reliable public transport?

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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2014, 09:34:26 PM »
Small article in the mX today


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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2014, 03:28:26 AM »
^ LOL  defensive spin ...   news ltd media is very much a repository of government spin these days ...

the little snippet is widely inaccurate as to context as well.  No extra time has been added between services, it is the overall length of the timetabled journey that has been padded.  No wonder the media is losing credibility almost as fast as the spinners on George ..
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2014, 03:47:39 AM »
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Timetable fat - what it is

Greetings,

Yesterday, a very interesting interview on 612 ABC Radio breakfast with Spencer Howson.

--> http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2014/05/why-timetable-padding-leads-to-bored-train-drivers-and-traffic-congestion.html

A retired train driver, Mr Larry Matters made the point that train timetables have been slowing down for some time.  This phenomenon of adding extra time or fat to the overall journey length is not confined to south-east Queensland by the way, many operators do it to make on time performance easy to maintain.  Some extra time is justified however for assistance for mobility impaired passengers and as a buffer and to allow for longer dwell times.  The point well made yesterday in the interview was that the amount of fat that has been added to the timetables is excessive, and has flow on implications to safety and traffic flows.

Example: in 1969 Ipswich to CBD all stations took 63 minutes (diesel hauled carriage train), 1986 50 minutes (electric train), 2014 58 minutes (electric train).

A piece published in the Brisbane mX yesterday ( Buffer claim rebuffed  Brisbane mX 6th May 2014) was inaccurate.  Extra time has been added to the timetables for the overall journey not between trains as timetables have been revised.

Spin never cuts it.

By the way the bus timetables also have fat.

George St, honesty is the best policy!

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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2014, 04:22:44 AM »
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No extra time has been added between services, it is the overall length of the timetabled journey that has been padded.  No wonder the media is losing credibility almost as fast as the spinners on George ..

"For safety"

Adding timetable BETWEEN services affects the frequency NOT the speed!!

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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2014, 04:24:38 AM »
And what about the buses? Is the slower buses "for safety" as well?  :fo:
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2014, 05:14:43 AM »
The ' safety ' impact Mr Matters was highlighting was that as the trains are slowed drivers may become bored and this is a safety distraction.  Mr Matters was also a Senior Transport Safety Investigator and has a well informed background to assert this.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2014, 02:22:54 PM »
The ABC sound file appears to cut out part way, I can't get it to play the full length.
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2014, 02:30:22 PM »
The ABC sound file appears to cut out part way, I can't get it to play the full length.

Working fine from here.  Try saving the file on your computer then listening ...
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2014, 02:50:06 PM »
Working fine for me too, although it does seem to end abruptly.

In case you want further prove the case, just look at those paper times they have up on the glass at Roma St. Obviously they are old (Doomben line is still called Pinkenba but without the extra stations), and looking at them I noticed that both between Roma St and Milton, and Oxley and Darra, are stated as taking two minutes. I have been adding in timetables for my app so I know full well that both those take three minutes on the latest timetables. Yes Darra's track layout has changed since they were printed but Milton-Roma St hasn't, and if anything you would think they would make it faster when they redid the track at Darra. Logically anyway.

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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2014, 03:56:20 PM »
An older discussion thread

--> Dwell times in new timetable  July 29, 2011
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2014, 03:57:59 PM »
IMHO the slowing down of rail timetables directly follows from an excessive focus on meainingless on-time running statistics and fines for non-performance. Seems to be a disease that started in the UK after the break up of BR, and has now infected the East Coast of Australia.

This excessive focus on the stats mean we get the illusion of time keeping improving, when in reality ALL TRAINS now run late compared to what they used to be able to do. The occasional late running has just been built into the timetable and deemed acceptable in the name.

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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2014, 04:00:09 PM »
Melbourne Age --> Metro trains wait at stations to arrive on time       August 10, 2011



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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2014, 04:51:52 PM »
Also, for the record


*Central has a 2 minute dwell time
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2014, 04:56:37 PM »
Has someone got a copy of that 1980s caboolture line timetable?

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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2014, 02:55:44 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2014, 03:37:48 AM »
Is there a basic table of times and destinations for major terminal points (i.e. Central to Caboolture, Beenleigh, etc)?

If I am reading the timetable above correctly, that trip takes 81 minutes? Is that right?
The current comparable trip takes about 51 minutes.
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2014, 04:02:38 AM »
Media release 8th May 2014



SEQ: Timetable Fat: 'Health' Check-up Required!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said it is time to audit bus and train speeds on the network.

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The slow degradation of speeds on the rail network over a number of years is a concern (1, 2). Slower trains suggest increased costs of train operation across the whole rail network because more staff time needs to be consumed for the same operation."

"Under a fixed budget, this contributes both to lower frequency and higher fares for all."

"The introduction of Automatic Train Protection (ATP) is likely to solve both the speed decay issue and the high cost staffing inefficiencies while also increasing public safety on a network that is expected to handle even more rail services."

"It seems to us that there is waste galore in the Transport Portfolio. High cost trains, high cost buses! No wonder fares have exploded."

In our opinion, very large savings can be made by solving fixing issues:

(a)  Sort 'Legacy Routing' on the bus network, particularly the BCC bus network
(b)  Increase bus speed (rationalised bus stop spacing and placement, network wide) put in place bus priority on key arterial roads
(c)  The phased and orderly conversion of train guards into train drivers after ATP installation

"Both buses and trains need to be subjected to a speed audit to determine how services have degraded over the past 30 years, where and why? Degradation of service speeds are a direct cost to the Queensland Government because more time consumed means increased staff labour consumption, and in the case of trains, reduced theoretical line capacity."

"We are paying some of the world's highest fares; if we are charged premium fares then we expect premium service from both bus and train operators."

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1. http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2014/05/why-timetable-padding-leads-to-bored-train-drivers-and-traffic-congestion.html

2. http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10702.0
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2014, 08:53:23 AM »
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Timetable fat #qldpol #nswpol #springst --> http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10708.msg141904#msg141904http://twitpic.com/e37jxx

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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2014, 09:19:38 AM »
Is there a basic table of times and destinations for major terminal points (i.e. Central to Caboolture, Beenleigh, etc)?

If I am reading the timetable above correctly, that trip takes 81 minutes? Is that right?
The current comparable trip takes about 51 minutes.

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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2014, 10:07:34 AM »
Is there a basic table of times and destinations for major terminal points (i.e. Central to Caboolture, Beenleigh, etc)?

If I am reading the timetable above correctly, that trip takes 81 minutes? Is that right?
The current comparable trip takes about 51 minutes.

Remember that is 1961, steam hauled   etc. etc.   the figures to use for comparisons are electric train times  ...
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2014, 12:59:32 PM »
Basically we ideally need timetables from around the 1980s through to now in order to get a better picture of what's happening.

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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2014, 05:19:54 PM »
Is there a basic table of times and destinations for major terminal points (i.e. Central to Caboolture, Beenleigh, etc)?

If I am reading the timetable above correctly, that trip takes 81 minutes? Is that right?
The current comparable trip takes about 51 minutes.

Remember that is 1961, steam hauled   etc. etc.   the figures to use for comparisons are electric train times  ...

Too true, these are just for curiosity's sake.

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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2014, 02:40:19 AM »
From the Brisbanetimes click here!

Brisbane train journeys slower than in 1980, says rail veteran

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Brisbane train journeys slower than in 1980, says rail veteran

It takes 11 minutes longer to catch a train from Ipswich to Brisbane Central now than it did in late 1980, an experienced train safety expert says.

Retired Brisbane train driver Larry Matters spent 20 years as a Brisbane train driver, before spending 10 years as the lead examiner for the Australian Transport Safety Bureau.

In that position he investigated a series of serious train accidents, including the fatal Tilt Train accident at Bungoo in North Queensland in November 2008.

He has written an article for the March 2014 Railway Digest, questioning why 11 minutes have been added to the journey over the past 34 years.

It took 49 minutes to travel from Brisbane Central to Ipswich in late 1980 when electric trains started.

"Now, in 2014 the electric trains take 60 minutes to complete this run," Mr Matters says.

"The permitted speeds are the same as in 1980, so why has 11 minutes been added to the running time in the Ipswich corridor in recent years?"

Mr Matters said there were no new stations on the Ipswich line - the new Richlands station is on a spur line - and train speeds were faster.

"I think the only reason that they have slowed the trains down is so that they can say that run on time," he said.

"And one of the KPIs that Queensland Rail has to meet - to get their government funding - is on-time running."

Senior Queensland Rail executive's pay is also linked to "on time running".

Mr Matters conceded "dwell times" - when trains stop to let passengers on and off trains - had increased since 1980, but he said it was not enough to explain the extra 11 minutes on the journey.

"It is common knowledge that these loadings have risen significantly since the 1980s...but is an additional 11 minutes really needed?"

He questioned why the 2014 timetable allowed an extra three to four minutes to run from Central to Roma Street and out to South Brisbane, South Bank and Park Road.

He said the late 1980 timetable allowed electric trains "eight to nine minutes" to cross the river, while the 2104 timetable allows 13 minutes.

Mr Matters said "extra padding" in the timetable was responsible for various transport ministers - Labor and LNP - making claims about improved "on time running".

Transport Minister Scott Emerson has told the ABC an additional 1000 extra services were added to the Southeast Queensland Rail network from January 20.

"We have more trains on the [rail] system and we have to leave 2.5 to 3 minutes between trains for safety reasons," Mr Emerson said.

"We have to have time to get them onto the train and then out of the station."

Mr Emerson said better management of people on platforms and better maintenance of rail tracks had improved "on time running".

Queensland Rail said a number of issues had lengthened journeys - extra signals at level crossings, extra time allowed for people with disabilities to board, increased patronage and extra trains in peak hours.

Transport Minister Scott Emerson issued a statement last week outlining the LNP's record of having 95.8 per cent of peak hour trains running on time in March 2014.

Before the election, under Labor's transport minister Annastacia Palaszczuk, trains had a had a three month average of 86.27 per cent "on time running" by March 2012.

Mr Emerson said the reason why extra time was added to certain Beenleigh and Bowen Hills journeys in January 2014 - between two and five minutes - was to make room for the 1000 additional weekly services.

Mr Matters is a former Queensland state secretary, and state president of the Australian Federated Union of Locomotive Enginemen.

He also worked for the private rail company, Pacific National, for 10 years and was named Australian Employee of the Year in 1996.

"So I am not a ratbag, left wing union official," he said, adding he remained a friend of Queensland Rail's previous chief executive Vince O'Rourke.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-train-journeys-slower-than-in-1980-says-rail-veteran-20140508-zr6dl.html

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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2014, 02:41:08 AM »
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2014, 03:09:25 AM »
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9th May 2014

Greetings

Re: Train Journeys Slower Than In 1980s

Rail Back on Track welcomes the media article featuring leading rail expert Mr. Larry Matters.

The transport minister claims:

"We have more trains on the [rail] system and we have to leave 2.5 to 3 minutes between trains for safety reasons," Mr Emerson said.

A quick test of this claim is to look at off peak services, when the interval between trains is 15 or 30 minutes, an order of magnitude greater than the "two to three minutes" claimed for 'safety' fat.

For example, the 11.58 am train ex Central arrives at Ipswich at 12.56 pm, or 58 minutes during the weekday off peak. This is approximately 9 minutes longer running time than in 1980.

A more stringent test is to look at the Sunday timetables when far fewer trains operate, and patronage is just a fraction of what it is on a weekday: Our quick test shows that it also takes 58 minutes, far longer than it did in 1980, and thus off-peak and weekend services, where it is impossible to claim high passenger numbers or safety reasons, have also been slowed down significantly.

We find it hard to believe.  Spin doesn't cut it, honesty and true facts does.

Both buses and trains need to be subjected to a speed audit to determine how services have degraded over the past 30 years, where and why. Has bus stop spacing and location network wide been reviewed, or has this never ever been done? Degraded bus speeds cost more money to run and lose passengers.

We are paying some of the world's highest fares; if we are charged premium fares then we expect premium service from both bus and train operators.

We have a fare affordability crisis on the public transport network in SEQ.  Mediocre fare policy, a failure to support TransLink with sensible bus changes, constant spin and blame to others, one wonders if the present transport authorities are up to the task.

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References:

1. Brisbane train journeys slower than in 1980, says rail veteran http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-train-journeys-slower-than-in-1980-says-rail-veteran-20140508-zr6dl.html

2. Commonsense Approaches for Improving Transit Bus Speeds (TRB) in How to make buses more useful, http://www.humantransit.org/2014/04/how-to-make-buses-more-useful.html


Media release 8th May 2014



SEQ: Timetable Fat: 'Health' Check-up Required!

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said it is time to audit bus and train speeds on the network.

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The slow degradation of speeds on the rail network over a number of years is a concern (1, 2). Slower trains suggest increased costs of train operation across the whole rail network because more staff time needs to be consumed for the same operation."

"Under a fixed budget, this contributes both to lower frequency and higher fares for all."

"The introduction of Automatic Train Protection (ATP) is likely to solve both the speed decay issue and the high cost staffing inefficiencies while also increasing public safety on a network that is expected to handle even more rail services."

"It seems to us that there is waste galore in the Transport Portfolio. High cost trains, high cost buses! No wonder fares have exploded."

In our opinion, very large savings can be made by solving fixing issues:

(a)  Sort 'Legacy Routing' on the bus network, particularly the BCC bus network
(b)  Increase bus speed (rationalised bus stop spacing and placement, network wide) put in place bus priority on key arterial roads
(c)  The phased and orderly conversion of train guards into train drivers after ATP installation

"Both buses and trains need to be subjected to a speed audit to determine how services have degraded over the past 30 years, where and why? Degradation of service speeds are a direct cost to the Queensland Government because more time consumed means increased staff labour consumption, and in the case of trains, reduced theoretical line capacity."

"We are paying some of the world's highest fares; if we are charged premium fares then we expect premium service from both bus and train operators."

Contact:

Robert Dow
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1. http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2014/05/why-timetable-padding-leads-to-bored-train-drivers-and-traffic-congestion.html

2. http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10702.0
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2014, 06:28:19 AM »
It's pretty obvious that the off peak and weekend fat comes from the desire to run a consistent timetable no matter what.

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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2014, 06:42:26 AM »
Does anyone have 1980s rail timetables?
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2014, 06:48:42 AM »
After 7am this morning on 4BC chat on the slow down and station staff.
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2014, 07:17:56 AM »
Thanks for the interest 4BC, thanks Ian and Loretta!   :-c :-t
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2014, 08:33:30 PM »
Old paper timetables at Roma Street. Unsure of printing dates, but will try and find out. Doomben line is still called Pinkenba line, and there are gaps where Gloucester St and North Arm have been removed but they haven't adjusted the layout (so after 1995 I think)



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So it is quicker to Eagle Junction and Northgate, yet slower to Doomben and Airport? Ferny Grove is faster, most likely from the Mitchelton to FG duplication. Slower everwhere else except Petrie to Caboolture.

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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2015, 02:37:50 PM »
Was on a train from Boondall last night. Experienced dwells of approx 5 minutes at each of Northgate, Nundah and Toombul. Quite ridiculous.

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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2015, 04:32:16 PM »
Old thread.. but still relevant... tourists to Brisbane actually comment to me (unsolicited) re the apparent slowness of the trains ... which is more evident on the weekends... long dwells at stations... slow takeoff, limited speeds, slow arrivals into stations...I understand one of the primary drivers is to assist ontime running in peak hours during the week... Perhaps some economic and other modelling should be undertaken to see if the benefit of "better ontime running statistics" actually trumps "more effective and efficient operation of the rail network and the return of those minutes back to the commuters"

Melbourne on the other hand is much more efficient...

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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2015, 11:45:34 PM »
Old thread.. but still relevant... tourists to Brisbane actually comment to me (unsolicited) re the apparent slowness of the trains ... which is more evident on the weekends... long dwells at stations... slow takeoff, limited speeds, slow arrivals into stations...I understand one of the primary drivers is to assist ontime running in peak hours during the week... Perhaps some economic and other modelling should be undertaken to see if the benefit of "better ontime running statistics" actually trumps "more effective and efficient operation of the rail network and the return of those minutes back to the commuters"

Even just generally, it is absolutely appalling. Darra - Indro expresses have to be my favourite taking 10 minutes at an average speed of 51.6km/h, along a piece of track which for the majority of its length, is almost straight and rated to 100km/h in the majority of parts. The train is not stopping, it should easily be able to do the journey in 7 minutes, perhaps less.

Sadly I don't think there is much of a will within QR to actually do anything about it, much to the detriment of people's perception of the rail network.
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Re: SEQ - timetable fat (rail)
« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2015, 10:56:05 AM »
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along a piece of track which for the majority of its length, is almost straight and rated to 100km/h in the majority of parts.

LOL!!!! It is quite obvious you don't actually know what you're talking about here. There is only one short 100km/h section, from just west of Chelmer till about 300m before Sherwood.

From Indro on Mains:
50 over the bridge;
80 after bridge to Chelmer;
90 at Chelmer;
100 at the start of the straight after Chelmer;
80 top of the hill before Sherwood;
60 after Sherwood rd LX
80 at Corinda;
70 before the RH curve, end of the Corinda straight;
60 before Oxley;
80 at the top of the hill next to the old brickworks before Darra.

Yes, it can be done a couple minutes quicker than what it's currently timetabled, but it's far from straight and most certainly not 100km/h most of the time.
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