Station Upgrades

[red dragin]

Understand it is a long standing human error. Am loathe to shoot anyone for that. But does show the perilous state transport is in re access compliance. Without true compliance, human procedures & systems prone to failure exist. True design innovation is only way forward.

Teams that know what they are doing are constantly ignored & under resourced by those above them. Disability again is just not being treated seriously within transport culture. Sometimes its PWD that suffer. Sometimes its taxpayers with cost overruns. Time that culture turned around. Reset button needs to be pushed in relationship with disability sector.

Geoff

Makes you wonder, did the disability community not report it as they simply had no faith in the system acting on it, or did their reports get ignored/lost within the system itself.

Agree on the reset button.

[mufreight]

The problems wit Milton platform 2 and platform 1 at Auchenflower were first reported to the QR disability access group over a year ago with no result to this time, apparently Auchenflower is on the list for an upgrade but when?

[techblitz]

well there are definitely pwd`s out there who have given up complaining to both council and translink/QR on dda issues.
Met such a person at Salisbury who said he had been advocating for years to get an elevator....it also takes him about 5 minutes to traverse the stairs.
Painful to watch but I'm sure more painful to experience.

Ive also seen this at Salisbury as well...
https://www.facebook.com/DakabinStationActionGroup/posts/1680233012000243

[InclusionMoves]

Not going to make too much of a comment about the current dramas guys but do want to thank everyone for their support. Fantastic to see everyone taking an interest and please keep it up,

Geoff

well there are definitely pwd`s out there who have given up complaining to both council and translink/QR on dda issues.
Met such a person at Salisbury who said he had been advocating for years to get an elevator....it also takes him about 5 minutes to traverse the stairs.
Painful to watch but I'm sure more painful to experience.

Ive also seen this at Salisbury as well...
https://www.facebook.com/DakabinStationActionGroup/posts/1680233012000243

[InclusionMoves]

Can imagine there is a bit of that going on at Banyo too.

Geoff

well there are definitely pwd`s out there who have given up complaining to both council and translink/QR on dda issues.
Met such a person at Salisbury who said he had been advocating for years to get an elevator....it also takes him about 5 minutes to traverse the stairs.
Painful to watch but I'm sure more painful to experience.

Ive also seen this at Salisbury as well...
https://www.facebook.com/DakabinStationActionGroup/posts/1680233012000243

[ozbob]

http://www.queenslandrail.com.au/forcustomers/access/station-access-guide

Banoon and Sunnybank have now been amended to not having high level platforms.   

[ozbob]

So updated:

https://www.queenslandrail.com.au/forcustomers/access/station-access-guide

Total stations 156

Independent access

88 stations which is 56.4%

Assisted access

44 stations which is 28.2%

Limited access

24 stations which 15.4%

Compliance deadline is Dec, 2022.

Of the 156 stations 35 have full height full length platforms = 22.4%

A further 5 are " coming soon " ( so is a proper timetable ..  )

A further 7 stations have some platforms full height but other platforms not:

Altandi
Bowen Hills
Central
Fruitgrove
Kuraby
Roma St
Runcorn

South Bank will have platform one full height soon.

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

10th February 2018

Queensland Rail Station Access Guide has errors of fact - update

Good Morning,

We note that the QR Station Access Guide has now been further updated
( http://www.queenslandrail.com.au/forcustomers/access/station-access-guide ).

Both Banoon and Sunnybank stations are now showing correctly that they do not have high level platforms.

We repeat our call for a full compliance audit of all the railway stations on the SEQ rail network so that we can be
confident that the Queensland Rail Station Access Guide is a true reflection of the status of all stations.
We are not confident that it is correct.

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

Updated snapshot:

https://www.queenslandrail.com.au/forcustomers/access/station-access-guide

Total stations 156

Independent access

88 stations which is 56.4%

Assisted access

44 stations which is 28.2%

Limited access

24 stations which 15.4%

Compliance deadline is Dec, 2022.

Of the 156 stations 35 have full height full length platforms = 22.4%

A further 5 are " coming soon " ( so is a proper timetable ..  )

A further 7 stations have some platforms full height but other platforms not:

Altandi
Bowen Hills
Central
Fruitgrove
Kuraby
Roma St
Runcorn

South Bank will have platform one full height soon.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/962002707446812672

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/962004153294733312

[Stillwater]

These facilities have benefits for all.  Recently I watched young mum with a two-child pram (baby in one section, toddler in other) try to board train.  Platform was too low.  Fortunately, two male passengers getting on board train lifted and assisted.

[mufreight]

Understand that Central will have platforms 1/2 and 3/4 raised after the games as part of the Central Station upgrade.

[dancingmongoose]

I noticed today Loganlea has platform humps that look very new and very temporary

[Cazza]

[#Metro]

^^ Photos or it didn't happen 

[ozbob]

I noticed today Loganlea has platform humps that look very new and very temporary

For the Comm Games ...

[not_available]

I noticed today Loganlea has platform humps that look very new and very temporary

For the Comm Games ...

"Temporary" in the sense of "only for a short time", or in the sense of "SC platform extension" temporary?

[ozbob]

Short time.  Designed to create a favourable impression during the Games.  A tad hypocritical but hey ...

[InclusionMoves]

This fits within the group of access upgrades listed as 'good effort but do it for the right reasons next time' disability sector can't argue against upgrades we haven't seen so couldn't say anything bad when we were told but I am interested in thoughts now people have seen and used it as we do hold the right to change our mind if its style over substance,

Geoff

Short time.  Designed to create a favourable impression during the Games.  A tad hypocritical but hey ...

[dancingmongoose]

^^ Photos or it didn't happen 

[ozbob]

^ thanks!

Looks temporary to me.  Wooden?

[tazzer9]

that was done quick.   less than 3 weeks.  Why does every other hump take a year to build

[SurfRail]

What they should do is roll these out everywhere which hasn't got a full-level platform or a partial raising already, and then gradually replace them with permanent, full-length raises - straight platforms should be full-length no exception.  The more sharply curved platforms do present geometric issues but if they can get level boarding to at least part of the platform until the corridor geometry can be changed to permit proper rebuilds, that should still be a major improvement.

Oh to live in a state where the government will be rebuilding entire lines to DDA compliant modern standards (Dandenong, Bankstown etc).

[dancingmongoose]

^ thanks!

Looks temporary to me.  Wooden?

Certainly looks to be wooden to me

[tazzer9]

Exhibition platform 2 (towards roma st) has a temporary platform hump installed at the roma street end of the platform.   Would only be accessible from the leading door of the train.

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/JoshBavas/status/977058183054204930

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Albion train station to receive $750 upgrade

A $750 million development to transform the precinct surrounding Albion train station has been announced by the State Government.

Transport and Main Roads Minister Mark Bailey said an agreement had been signed with Brisbane property developers, Geon Property, to revitalise the Albion site through a Transit Oriented Development (TOD).

Mr Bailey said the 15-year, 3.5ha project would integrate Albion train station with nearby commercial and residential buildings and vacant land "to deliver an exciting community asset".

Geon Property Managing Director Ben Griffin said the TOD would include a "seamless" mix of apartment living, retail, food and beverage outlets and public open spaces.

Mr Bailey said the Albion Train Station Precinct Redevelopment would also include an upgrade to transport facilities and access to the Albion train station intended to revitalise the suburb of Albion and surrounding community.

He said the project would complement planning currently underway by Queensland Rail for an accessibility upgrade of Albion train station in 2019.

He said that upgrade would include new platform access with lifts, raised platform sections providing improved assisted boarding points, and other accessibility features such as hearing aid loops, signage and tactile flooring surfaces.

Geon Property will start a detailed design, development application and approval process over the next 12-18 months.

The government reassured the community that public engagement would be undertaken and that the community would have an opportunity to give feedback.

Mr Bailey said construction of the TOD was expected to start in 2019-20 and more information would be available as development applications and approvals proceeded.

"Construction on the accessibility upgrade is also expected to start in late 2019," Mr Bailey said.

The developers will:

■ Design and construct a mixed-use TOD integrated with Albion Train Station and the wider area

■ Work with the state to design improved Disability Discrimination Act 1992 (Cth) compliant access to Albion Train Station and construct

■ Work with the state to optimise the design and location of commuter car parking (to ensure no net loss of park'n'ride numbers) and undertake construction of the necessary works

■ Integrate with a section of North Brisbane Bikeway through the precinct

For more information about the Albion Train Station Precinct Redevelopment, go to tmr.qld.gov.au/Community-and-environment/Planning-and-development

[InclusionMoves]

https://twitter.com/InclusionMoves/status/977060588760154112

[verbatim9]

The trains in this pic relating to the station revamp have a new livery and are a bit different to the NGRs. I like it! Hopefully the new station will check all the accessibility boxes. Lifts, Raised platforms, North and South entry points etc... Plus activated  surroundings with 18 hour retail to prevent sterile hotspots.

[SurfRail]

Qld can't do TODs or station upgrades right for sh%t.

Milton - crap
South Bank - crap
Buranda - didn't even do anything, but arguably better for not having done so because it would have been expensive and functionally the same as it is now
Varsity Lakes - nothing after 10 years
Indooroopilly - not only poor functionality but looks horrible
Eagle Junction - $20m and all I got was this unnecessary station building
Ferny Grove - still surrounded by a sea of at-grade parking and a pub
Fortitude Valley - one escalator per platform and no fixes to platform geometry

Why do they even bother?

[verbatim9]

Qld can't do TODs or station upgrades right for sh%t.

Milton - crap
South Bank - crap
Buranda - didn't even do anything, but arguably better for not having done so because it would have been expensive and functionally the same as it is now
Varsity Lakes - nothing after 10 years
Indooroopilly - not only poor functionality but looks horrible
Eagle Junction - $20m and all I got was this unnecessary station building
Ferny Grove - still surrounded by a sea of at-grade parking and a pub
Fortitude Valley - one escalator per platform and no fixes to platform geometry

Why do they even bother?

I agree the Tods very poorly done. Poor choice of activated retail space. Too many sterile areas and awkward entry points. I was at Milton Ststion after the Ed Sheeran concert. The station couldn't cope! "It was chaos". When I said "I liked it".  I was referring to the trains in the pic. They look like Adelaide Bombardiers or Alstom trains.

[ozbob]

Remember the grand Taringa TOD?  Complete with upgraded integrated station.

Still got a non compliant station with a grand new medical facility next to it now.

Will this Albion development ever really happen?

Very interesting announcement timing.

Don't worry about the lack of train drivers look over here 

[ozbob]

Sent to all outlets:

24th March 2018

Albion Station Upgrade - Bus Interchange a must

Greetings,

RAIL Back on Track welcomes the announcement of a Transit Oriented
Development (TOD) at Albion Station, to be led by Geon Property. RAIL
Back on Track supports TOD because it allows people to bring their home
to the station rather than their car. We also believe that stations
surrounded by medium density will encourage more people to take the
train.

RAIL Back on Track calls on the Transport Minister, the Queensland
Government and Geon Property to ensure that bus access to Albion
Station is made available. We see two potential options to achieve
this:

(a) A bus access laneway parallel to the Albion Station platforms that
would allow a bus to use Albion Street and Hudson Road to drop
passengers adjacent to the station platform.

OR

(b) Construct bus stops and bus bays on the approach to the Albion
Overpass so that bus passengers may walk under the Albion overpass to
access the station.

Incremental bus access improvements at rail stations undergoing renewal
is critical for the future reorganisation of the Brisbane City Council
bus network to support rail. For example, in our New Bus Network
Proposal, our proposed cross-town 901 Toombul via Enoggera and Albion
Interchanges bus and 320 Chermside via Wavell Heights bus would both be
able to plug passengers into the rail network at this location. Our proposed
901 bus would be able to connect residents in the new Portside Wharf development
directly into frequent rail services at Albion, rather than Doomben which suffers
from extremely poor service frequency.

Once again, we welcome the announcement and ask that proper and convenient
bus access is provided for transport passengers.

Best wishes,
Robert

Robert Dow
Administration
admin@backontrack.org
RAIL Back On Track https://backontrack.org

References

Albion Station Upgrade
https://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10688.msg206298#msg206298

RAIL Back on Track New Bus Network Proposal - see Albion Key Interchange Point
http://tiny.cc/newnetwork

[ozbob]

https://twitter.com/Robert_Dow/status/977212357012160512

[mufreight]

It would seem that once again it is the intention of TMR to save money by only partially raising the platforms at Albion instead of raising the entire platforms.  The sooner that Queensland Rail is separated from TMR and the Board and the Minister are given the shove the better.

[#Metro]

It would seem that once again it is the intention of TMR to save money by only partially raising the platforms at Albion instead of raising the entire platforms.  The sooner that Queensland Rail is separated from TMR and the Board and the Minister are given the shove the better.

Are you serious? Partial raisings should be banned. Station infrastructure is going to be around for 40-50 years. A long time for a band-aid to hold.

[kram0]

OZBOB, please lobby the government to not be short sighted and only raise 1/3 of the platform. All platforms should be full height for the entire length of the station. These so called leaders at government are so stupid and don't look at the big picture.

[ozbob]

OZBOB, please lobby the government to not be short sighted and only raise 1/3 of the platform. All platforms should be full height for the entire length of the station. These so called leaders at government are so stupid and don't look at the big picture.

Have already made representations to the authorities about the need for full length platform raising. Have discussed ways of improving the approaches to DDA compliance that are cheaper overall and will allow full platform raising.  Essentially, rather than taking up to 18 months to do DDA compliance upgrades (eg. Dinmore and Graceville) close the stations, do it in 4 to 6 weeks (as they did for South Brisbane).  This is considerably cheaper and will provide more bang for the buck.   Efficient, safer and no need for 24/7 security costs for a year and a half.

[kram0]

OZBOB, please lobby the government to not be short sighted and only raise 1/3 of the platform. All platforms should be full height for the entire length of the station. These so called leaders at government are so stupid and don't look at the big picture.

Have already made representations to the authorities about the need for full length platform raising. Have discussed ways of improving the approaches to DDA compliance that are cheaper overall and will allow full platform raising.  Essentially, rather than taking up to 18 months to do DDA compliance upgrades (eg. Dinmore and Graceville) close the stations, do it in 4 to 6 weeks (as they did for South Brisbane).  This is considerably cheaper and will provide more bang for the buck.   Efficient, safer and no need for 24/7 security costs for a year and a half.

A great idea and one I hope they listen too.thanks for the effort. We should all contact Mark Bailey to lobby him for the government to do the job properly on all future projects.

[not_available]

Meanwhile, over at Central Station, there is some new yellow tape/paint on the platforms, presumably designed to help with boarding/disembarking.

[Golliwog]

Qld can't do TODs or station upgrades right for sh%t.

Milton - crap
South Bank - crap
Buranda - didn't even do anything, but arguably better for not having done so because it would have been expensive and functionally the same as it is now
Varsity Lakes - nothing after 10 years
Indooroopilly - not only poor functionality but looks horrible
Eagle Junction - $20m and all I got was this unnecessary station building
Ferny Grove - still surrounded by a sea of at-grade parking and a pub
Fortitude Valley - one escalator per platform and no fixes to platform geometry

Why do they even bother?

When did the Ferny Grove TOD actually get signed off? Last time they talked about it, was proposed for shops and cinema but the contract details were still being negotiated. Just looked on the TMR TOD site (https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Community-and-environment/Planning-and-development/Transit-oriented-developments) and the Albion TOD is still "upcoming" despite the media release, while FG is a current one