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Next Generation Electronic Ticketing
« on: March 12, 2014, 08:28:49 AM »
It is a long held view of mine that paper ticket should be abolished systemwide, but importantly, getting paper tickets and ALL cash transactions OFF the buses. Melbourne has already abolished paper ticketing on all buses, but sells Myki on the bus now.

Electronic ticketing to phones is one way of doing this. Many variants of this but one is through texting a phone number (i.e. Stockholm, Sweden does this - NO cash OR cards on the bus). Other systems have apps.

This kind of ticketing is useful for casual and infrequent users such as tourists, visitors and people who sometimes forget their card at home.



http://sl.se/en/Visitor/Tickets/Text-me-a-ticket/
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Text-me-a-ticket

Use Text-me-a-ticket if you don't have a travelcard or another prepaid ticket and need a ticket fast. Works for you who have registered for the service at sl.se/sms (only in Swedish for the time being).

If you want to buy a text message ticket, you send a text message to 076-720 10 10.
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Re: Next Generation Electronic Ticketing
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2014, 10:28:04 AM »
I understand open payment options are under consideration for SEQ.
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2014, 04:58:44 PM »
Many foreign tourists will not have active phones, and it also requires registration. I would also expect that locals who are too lazy to get a go card, would also be too lazy to register. Thus phone ticketing is far from a complete replacement for paper tickets. Throwaway, low cost smart cards such as the MIFARE Ultralight should be seriously looked at.

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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2014, 03:56:17 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2014, 06:57:55 AM »
Buying a plane ticket, driver's licence, bank account, getting a passport or even being born in a hospital requires registration at some point. The Swedes manage to get by with this system, other places do too, the registration is so that you register your payment details so that $$$ can be deducted. And if you want a card because you don't have an active phone (ha, who doesn't have a phone?) you go to the vending machine at the train station or the local newsagent.

Interstate visitors are likely to have active phones, many backpackers bring their phone (some have international roaming), all they need is a SIM card, and they're good to go. Sim cards are what, $2?

http://www.vodafone.com.au/personal/sim-cards/sim-cards/sim-cards-for-international-visitors

It is time to stop nannying people who want to continue to live in the stone age of technology, or are just "too lazy" and expect the entire system to take on enormous costs just because they are "too lazy". Mobile phones came in the 1980s and took off in the 1990s, that is almost 25 years ago! Not hard to walk to a machine and pay money for a card or use the phone as a backup.
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Re: Next Generation Electronic Ticketing
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2014, 05:33:16 AM »


Media release 20th May 2014

SEQ: Time for a new or upgraded ticketing system

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has said the bizarre fare system in place for south-east Queensland is partly the result of limited options on the present go card system.

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The lack of flexible cost effective programming options for the go card has meant that SEQ has ended up with a crazy fare system.  Easily rorted, high base fare cost, and complicated journey caps which confuse many. Fare affordability is tracking along at its lowest levels ever and is the standout failure of all the TransLink KPIs (1). Public transport patronage has stagnated."

"The latest data from TransLink shows that there was an average of 1.97% fixed fares of all go card trips during March 2014, that is every 50 times a go card is used a fixed fare is generated (2). Subsequently only 1 in 15 fixed fares is adjusted. This is further confirmation of a failing system."
 
"Daily caps, differential fare pricing based on touch off times encourages maximum fare box and maximum patronage (3, 4) without the present high cost rorting. These ticketing options are not able to be programmed on the present system apparently.  It is time to move into the next generation of ticketing to include various payment options.  The present fare system is a shambles (5)."

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1. http://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/resources/about-translink/reporting-and-publications/open-data/2014-mar-snapshot.pdf

2. There were 12.82 adjustments per 10000 trips during March 2014 = 0.13% of all go card trips

This means then that 1.97/0.13 = 15.2 trips,  so for every 15 fixed fares only one on average is being adjusted.

3. The SEQ fare fail http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10048.msg142219#msg142219

4. Free metro travel spreads the peak load http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/urban/single-view/view/free-metro-travel-spreads-the-peak-load.html

5. 6 May 2014: SEQ: Fare affordability crisis continues ... http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10701.0
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Re: Next Generation Electronic Ticketing
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2014, 05:36:43 AM »
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Bob, you mentioned a few times earlier in the thread the introduction of a "next generation" fare system. Do you have a source for this? Does it entail replacing the GoCard technology entirely, or perhaps just a firmware upgrade?

G'day Thomas.  No ' official ' source, just piecing together a number of private mentions over the last year or so.   I expect they will probably stick with the go card with upgrades, including open payment options as well.  It could be a new system but less likely.

Clues here --> https://secure.publicworks.qld.gov.au/etender/tender/display/tender-details.do?id=11826&action=display-tender-details

--> http://www.intermedium.com.au/content/account-based-ticketing-system-required-queensland-s-public-transport-users

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...  The Queensland Department of Transport and Main Roads’ (TMR), bus, ferry and rail service coordinator TransLink has given the first hint of the scope of an updated public transport smartcard with the issue of a Request for Quotation (RFQ) for technical advisory services for its Next Generation Ticketing Project (NGTP) ..

Re Tracker and Snapshot data, it is as useless as tits on a bull! Designed to obfuscate IMHO.  Hence our campaign for them to come to clean with the real data ..
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Re: Next Generation Electronic Ticketing
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2014, 06:50:31 AM »
https://secure.publicworks.qld.gov.au/etender/tender/display/tender-details.do?id=11826&action=display-tender-details

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TECHNICAL ADVISOR SERVICES FOR NEXT GENERATION TICKETING PROJECT

Issued by Department of Transport and Main Roads - Passenger Transport
Invitation to Offer
Status:    Closed
Number:    TTA14022
Released:    Wed, 26 Mar 2014 at 4:41PM Brisbane, Queensland
Closed:    Fri, 4 Apr 2014 at 5:00PM Brisbane, Queensland
UNSPSC:    Passenger transport - (100%)
Region/s:    South East Queensland
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2014, 06:52:13 AM »
I used my smart phone for SkyBus (Melbourne) on my last trip to Melbourne.  Worked fine.
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2014, 03:24:40 AM »
From the Brisbanetimes click here!

Your phone may replace your Go-Card

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Your phone may replace your Go-Card
Date May 21, 2014 - 12:01AM  Tony Moore

Queensland’s new-generation Go-Card could be a smart phone app which might also be used as a debit card to buy food, drink and magazines at train and bus stations.

That is one option to be explored as Queensland Transport begins to consider the next 10 years of what Queenslanders now know as the “Go-Card”.

This month Queensland Transport called for tenders for experts to design its “Next Generation Ticketing Project”.

Giant US-based public transport and defence contractor Cubic Corporation in July 2006 won a 10-year $225 million contract to develop the Go-Card public transport system in Queensland.

There are now 3 million Go-Cards in Southeast Queensland, accounting for almost 80 per cent of the 700,000 public transport journeys a day.

Queensland Transport now wants to lay the foundations for the next stage of public transport ticketing in an era in which smart-phones are used universally as a personal pocket computer.

Queensland Transport has this month asked for technical advice for the new system, which will replace the existing system in September 2016.

Rail: Back on Track spokesman Robert Dow welcomed the beginning of the new generation of public transport thinking.

“It looks like they are moving ahead with an improved electronic smart card for public transport in South East Queensland,” Mr Dow said. “We think this is a very encouraging sign.”

Mr Dow said it was time the Go-Card was modernised because commuters wanted more from the Cubic contract.

“We think that is related to the fact that they got a very base-level software package with it,” he said.

Mr Dow suggested three restrictions with the Go-Card frustrated Queensland Transport.

The first was “clumsy fare options” including free trips after 10 journeys, which he suggested were inefficient, led to fare leakage and should be replaced by free fares after a “capped daily fare”.

The second was technical problems in directly charging for a Brisbane City Council City Cycle account using the Go-Card, despite Transport Minister Scott Emerson’s efforts in 2013 to start the scheme.

And before that in 2010 Queensland Police conceded they used Go-Card’s electronic tracking abilities to locate people, sparking calls for Queensland Council for Civil Liberties for change.

Mr Dow pointed to examples in Singapore – where a similar smart card is also used as a debit card – and at Brisbane’s Airtrain – where customers simply use a smart phone app to book ahead.

Brisbane Airtrain introduced in February a smart phone app so customers can book an Airtrain to and from Brisbane Airport before they arrived.

Brisbane Airtrain chief executive Chris Basche said they introduced their e-ticket because customers demanded it.

“It is pretty exciting stuff and it is pretty popular with our customers,” he said.

“Our online bookings are now 3.5 per cent and growing,” he said.

“Our research show that a large number of people make decisions about arriving and departing airports in advance.

“And we are providing those customers with the ability to plan their journey in advance.”

Brisbane Airtrain’s e-ticket also comes with a 10 per cent fare discount if it is bought in advance, he said.

“That provides them with a barcode and that barcode is scanned at the airport and at the city,” he said.

The barcode can be on the person’s smartphone, or printed out, he said.

“Yes, you have the ability to have the barcode on your smartphone and then our scanners read that barcode and you are then ticketed.”

Mr Emerson declined to comment.

A spokeswoman said a contractor was being employed to provide early technical advice to Translink on the types of ticketing options that would be part of the contract to go out in 2016.

“Translink will have a team of people who will work on that contract – that tender process – and this is one of the people they need to help with that.”

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/your-phone-may-replace-your-gocard-20140520-zrj78.html
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2014, 03:38:12 AM »
^ Thanks Brisbanetimes.   :-c
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2014, 06:26:50 AM »
From the Queensland Times 22nd May 2014 pages 1 and 2 ...

GO CARD CHEATS DERAILED





Good work QT!  Front page no less with big pictures!   :-c :-t
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2014, 06:54:21 AM »
I do have some concerns re: mobile phone technology to pay for tickets, given that people with low incomes  or who are elderly generally don't buy the smartphones given the high costs of some of them, and I'd hate to be caught out if your battery failed or your phone breaks.  My phone has been out of action for a number of months simply because I can't afford to get it fixed at this stage.

Personally, I'd like to just keep the Go Cards for the time being, just with expanded options for it.

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2014, 06:59:20 AM »
That is exactly what will happen STB.  The go card (or new equivalent) will be retained but other options will be available for those so inclined.   Open payment would be particularly useful for visitors/tourists and the like as well.

The press bylines are a bit misleading.

BNE airtrain has a ' E-Ticket ' now, around 3.5% of all trips are using that.  Ticket on smart phone ...  they still have all the other ticket options, paper, go etc.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2014, 12:33:28 PM »
I'm not keen on mobile phone based ticketing, as I would expect that most of those who still use paper tickets, will also not have the appropriate app set up to use this alternative. It is also problematic for tourists and

I still think that better go card functionality is the way forward (e.g. peak/off-peak based on touch off times, zone based capping), as well as single use smart cards cards (go card fare + cost of card which is approx. $0.5).

Use of contactless credit cards (e.g. PayWave) would also be useful, as on London buses, but I'm not sure how this payment method can work with a zone based fare structure (London's buses have one zone).

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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2014, 12:41:49 PM »
I expect mobile phone ticketing will just be another option.  The base ticket will be the upgraded go card.  I cannot see a new card getting the nod, too expensive to replace all the readers etc.  It will be a software/system upgrade I expect to improve the somewhat limited functionality we have at present.

I have used mobile ticketing for the SkyBus in Melbourne.  Very convenient and straight forward.  It is just another ticketing option.

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Currently TfL and Cubic are working on implementing open loop EMV contactless payment across the entire system including the Underground, national rail stations around London and the trams.  It is a massive undertaking that is targeted to be completed by the end of 2013. This will include adding daily capping and weekly capping features to the open payment program.

http://cts.cubic.com/Publications/CubicBlog/tabid/531/ID/139/An-Update-on-Open-Payment.aspx

Little doubt that paper tickets will go, replaced with a limited use go card equivalent.

It seems problems that we think exist are being overcome.  The government is certainly looking at open payment and fare payment on other platforms as well as the base go card.
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« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2014, 01:20:48 PM »
Transport for London --> Cash free buses

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Instead of cash you can use:

    An Oyster card with pay as you go credit, Travelcard or Bus & Tram Pass
    A Visitor Oyster card
    A contactless payment card to pay as you go
    A Day Travelcard ...

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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2014, 08:01:55 PM »
AirRail News --> Smartphones turn passengers into Smartcustomers
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2014, 10:27:34 AM »
Twitter

Robyn Ironside @ironsider

Search starts tomorrow for technology to replace Southeast Qld's go card, Minister Emerson tells estimates hearing. #qldpol

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Robyn Ironside @ironsider

Smart phones could be used in place of go cards if technology exists. State Govt about to seek expressions of interest to undertake research

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Robyn Ironside @ironsider

Lots of note passing going on among public servants at Transport Committee estimates hearing as Minister grilled over rubbery figures.
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2014, 10:34:22 AM »
Couriermail Mail --> Smart card technology may replace go cards
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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2014, 03:45:19 AM »
Brisbanetimes --> Phones may soon be used as Go Cards

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South East Queensland public transport users could soon be using their smart phones as Go Cards.

Transport Minister Scott Emerson said the "next generation ticketing project" would be opened to government tender from Tuesday.

He told the Transport, Housing and Local Government Committee budget estimates hearings that 30 potential respondents had already been identified.

"Given the complicity of the system because SEQ, South East Queensland,  is one of the largest integrated ticketing networks in the world and the significant revenue it collects on behalf of the state, the mobilisation of the project through to delivery needs to be carefully procured and delivered to mitigate failure of any new ticketing options, particularly one of this magnitude," Mr Emerson said.

The current Cubic ticketing system expires in late 2016.  Mr Emerson said he wanted to look towards the future and examine "all of the exciting options out there".

Mr Emerson's estimates appearance also put a figure to the Queensland Rail retrenchment figures - one in every five employees has been let go in the past two years, resulting in about a 20 per cent reduction in staff.

Queensland Rail now has about 5800 full-time equivalent positions.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/phones-may-soon-be-used-as-go-cards-20140715-ztfad.html
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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2014, 04:05:36 PM »
We should get on the front foot and push for this to cover all public transport ticketing Statewide (at very least TransLink and all urban bus services outside or adjacent to SEQ).

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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2014, 05:36:24 PM »
I did an interview on regional ABC (throughout QLD) a few months back re ticketing and options.  Locals will take some convincing mainly because of the fare cost differential between Q connect  (reasonable fares) and SEQ (ripoff), the punters are not silly. It also appears that plans for TransLink to ' take over ' and rebrand Q-connect as TransLink and be integrated have also stalled.  Sound familiar?

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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2014, 08:10:19 AM »
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Contactless is expanding. Sign up for our pilot scheme and be one of the first to try it out. https://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/contactless/take-part-in-our-contactless-pilot

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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2014, 10:30:25 AM »
I wish the media would stop playing up the smart-phone component of next gen ticketing - virtually making it look like you'll NEED a smart phone to use it!

The technology will simply be upgraded.  As part of the upgrade, it is possible that smart phones with NFC will be able to be used as an alternative to using a card - which would be particularly useful for tourists.

There are a number of issues surrounding the upgrade:
  • Will the equipment at stations need to be replaced?
  • Will the old cards still be compatible with the new system?  If not, how do you go about replacing everyone's Go Cards and transferring balances?
I personally think that what we'll see is an upgrade of the technology behind the card... more software-related than hardware.  The current hardware will read any NFC card/device - including smart phones.  It's the software that needs to know what to do with the information.
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« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2014, 10:40:28 AM »
Some of the media is alarming to say the least ...  :yikes:

Base product will be go card or equivalent.  Open payment, smart phones are just options for those so inclined.
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« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2014, 01:01:25 PM »
IT News --> Could fingerprint scans replace Queensland’s Go Card?
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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2014, 01:03:28 PM »
TTA13-087 Request for Information for Next Generation Ticketing Project

--> here!

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Description

Request for Information
Department of Transport and Main Roads (TransLink Division) Queensland, Australia.


The Queensland Government Department of Transport and Main Roads (TMR) is seeking information from the ticketing supplier industry about equipment and services relating to the provision of an automated fare collection (AFC) system. This information will assist TMR to further refine its requirements for the Next Generation Ticketing Project and understand the capability and capacity of the market to satisfy these requirements.

A Request for Information (RFI) document has been prepared to provide suppliers with:

    Information on the size and nature of the public transport system in Queensland, and
    An overview of the key functionality that the Department is looking to put in place at the completion of its current contract arrangements.

In addition to existing products and services, TMR is interested in receiving information from suppliers about implementation and transition approaches as well as options for future commercial arrangements.

All enquiries in relation to this RFI should be addressed to Nadeem Latif, Project Director (Next Generation Ticketing) by emailing NGTProject@translink.com.au.

The above information is provided by the TransLink Division of the Department of Transport and Main Roads (TMR).

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« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2014, 01:16:19 PM »
IT News --> Could fingerprint scans replace Queensland’s Go Card?

^ interesting article.

As I understand it Q-connect (TMR) sets fares for rural Queensland not operators.

Seems that a minimum AFC for SEQ will be replaced, possibly Queensland wide.

Looking at all options.

Is there any kind soul that would care to drop me a copy of the Specification Documents please?  email admin@backontrack.org

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« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2014, 05:50:36 PM »
An interesting sentence from the above article:

"In tender documents released today it explained that the current system is starting to show its age and is struggle with “above forecasted network growth”.



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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2014, 06:08:39 PM »
Yo, noticed that.  Just dismissed it as  largely more latent spin ....

System is struggling because of bad policy, right back in 2007.  No frills, no thrills ...

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« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2014, 07:25:51 AM »


Media release 18th July 2014

Queensland: Next Generation Public Transport ticketing

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community support group for rail and public transport and an advocate for public transport passengers has welcomed the commencement of the Request for Information process for the Next Generation ticketing Project (1).

Robert Dow, Spokesman for RAIL Back On Track said:

"The present go card system is aging and lacks options such as open payment with credit cards and smart phone payment (2)."

"The failed fare structure, high cost and bizarre and in fact anti-public transport (3), is partly the result of the limited system options set up in 2007."

"We welcome moves to upgrade/replace the Automatic Fare Collection system (AFC). In so doing however it is important that detailed community consultation occur with respect to actual fare products such as possible periodical options and so forth as the project develops."

"Particular importance needs to be given to the present qconnect urban bus network. Qconnect fares are around half of what fares cost in south-east Queensland (4).  A move to a Queensland wide AFC, although desirable needs to be considerate  of possible fare cost impacts on rural Queensland public transport users."

References:

1. TTA13-087 Request for Information for Next Generation Ticketing Project

https://secure.publicworks.qld.gov.au/etender/tender/display/tender-details.do?id=12630&action=display-tender-details&returnUrl=%2Ftender%2Fsearch%2Ftender-search.do%3Faction%3Dadvanced-tender-search-open-tender%26amp%3BchangeLevel%3D%26amp%3Binputlist%3DhasETB%26amp%3BorderBy%3DcloseDate%26amp%3BwithdrawalReason%3D%26amp%3BexpiredReason%3D%26amp%3BtenderState%3D%26amp%3BtenderId%3D%26amp%3Bpage%3D3

2. Could fingerprint scans replace Queensland’s Go Card?
http://www.itnews.com.au/News/389986,could-fingerprint-scans-replace-queensland8217s-go-card.aspx

3. Fare unaffordability crisis in SEQ
http://railbotforum.org/mbs/index.php?topic=10048.msg144110#msg144110

4. qconnect urban bus services http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/travel-and-transport/qconnect/urban-bus-services.aspx

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Re: Next Generation Electronic Ticketing
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2014, 09:07:46 AM »
I did an interview on regional ABC (throughout QLD) a few months back re ticketing and options.  Locals will take some convincing mainly because of the fare cost differential between Q connect  (reasonable fares) and SEQ (ripoff), the punters are not silly. It also appears that plans for TransLink to ' take over ' and rebrand Q-connect as TransLink and be integrated have also stalled.  Sound familiar?

Anyone found the e-tender notice yet?

The platform just needs to be common so you don't need a separate card when going between 2 different systems.

The ticket pricing shouldn't be problematic, all of the regional towns in WA which accept Smartrider have different pricing as I understand it. 

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Re: Next Generation Electronic Ticketing
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2014, 09:43:44 AM »
I did an interview on regional ABC (throughout QLD) a few months back re ticketing and options.  Locals will take some convincing mainly because of the fare cost differential between Q connect  (reasonable fares) and SEQ (ripoff), the punters are not silly. It also appears that plans for TransLink to ' take over ' and rebrand Q-connect as TransLink and be integrated have also stalled.  Sound familiar?

Anyone found the e-tender notice yet?

The platform just needs to be common so you don't need a separate card when going between 2 different systems.

The ticket pricing shouldn't be problematic, all of the regional towns in WA which accept Smartrider have different pricing as I understand it.

Sure do SR  --> Regional Town Bus Services [WA]

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Re: Next Generation Electronic Ticketing
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2014, 08:28:10 PM »
IT News --> Could fingerprint scans replace Queensland’s Go Card?

^ interesting article.

As I understand it Q-connect (TMR) sets fares for rural Queensland not operators.

Really qConnect only continue to exist so as not to confuse customers until a statewide rollout of TransLink occurs.

Contracted operators that don't come under the qconnect contracts do set their own fares - dependent on government approval.


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« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2014, 03:07:20 AM »
IT News --> Could fingerprint scans replace Queensland’s Go Card?

^ interesting article.

As I understand it Q-connect (TMR) sets fares for rural Queensland not operators.

Really qConnect only continue to exist so as not to confuse customers until a statewide rollout of TransLink occurs.

Contracted operators that don't come under the qconnect contracts do set their own fares - dependent on government approval.

Thanks Nikko.  I would expect that most of the qconnect operators are on contracts?   If not on contract will this complicate the roll out to urban bus of the new AFC?  As would operators invest the necessary $$?
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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2014, 03:13:25 PM »
With the new iPhone containing NFC there's now no reason NOT to have phone apps as an option for ticketing.

Apple Watch will also have NFC.  How cool would it be to touch on/off by placing your wrist over the reader!
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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2014, 03:24:38 PM »
With the new iPhone containing NFC there's now no reason NOT to have phone apps as an option for ticketing.

Apple Watch will also have NFC.  How cool would it be to touch on/off by placing your wrist over the reader!

NFC has been on phones for a while, hence Singapore etc having it.
Apple have lagged in their implementation.

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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2014, 05:20:57 PM »
NFC has been on phones for a while, hence Singapore etc having it.
Apple have lagged in their implementation.

My point was that now that all major phone manufacturers have it, apps can be developed for all of them. Let's not get into a pointless Apple Vs Android discussion. ;)
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