Dutton Park Station - Your opinion is required.

[paulg]

If Dutton Park station is to be removed then it is even more vital that a Park Road interchange is built on the UBAT.

There is plenty of room for a station on the UBAT adjacent to the existing rail junction:
e.g.

This interchange is vital to allow easy access from Gold Coast trains to UQ/PA/Cleveland Line/South Bank
and from Beenleigh trains to Wooloongabba/George St

[aldonius]

Having a new footbridge down the southern end will improve AM queueing UQ-bound as well.

[Gazza]

PaulG basically has it spot on....Make sure you send that in when the time for consultation comes.

[#Metro]

Ahahaah. In my opinions Ms Trad is a raving lunatic.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/south/proposed-dutton-park-train-station-closure-sparks-access-fears-for-princess-alexandra-hospital-patients/story-fni9r1nj-1226770712215

"But for spinal injury patients or people with diabetes who have mobility issues, it's not really an option."

http://www.juststartwalking.com.au/

"A Wellness initiative of the Chiropractors' Association of Australia"

Walking is actually GOOD for your spine. (from the website)

Why walk
Simple – no instructors or membership needed.
Inexpensive – no special equipment involved.
Achievable – can be done nearly anywhere, anytime.
Easy – just get up and walk!

Benefits of walking

Walking just 30 minutes a day can help you to maintain and improve your health.

A range of studies have shown that physical inactivity increases the incidence of common health complaints, including heart disease, hypertension, stroke, Type 2 diabetes, obesity, gallstone formation and even some types of cancer.

Chiropractic is the science of locating problems in the spine, the art of reducing their impact to the nervous system, and a philosophy of natural health care based on your inborn potential to be healthy.

Chiropractors are experts at analyzing posture and spinal problems. Chiropractic promotes general health by not just providing diagnosis and care of disorders relating to the spine and nervous system, but also in the provision of self-care pertaining to lifestyle factors and movement.

An active spine is a healthy spine, and a healthy spine leads to a healthier life. Chiropractors are also able to provide assessments to patients in a range of areas, including:

GO HOME MS TRAD!!

[minbrisbane]

Ahahaah. In my opinions Ms Trad is a raving lunatic.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/south/proposed-dutton-park-train-station-closure-sparks-access-fears-for-princess-alexandra-hospital-patients/story-fni9r1nj-1226770712215

"But for spinal injury patients or people with diabetes who have mobility issues, it's not really an option."

http://www.juststartwalking.com.au/

"A Wellness initiative of the Chiropractors' Association of Australia"

Walking is actually GOOD for your spine. (from the website)

Why walk
Simple – no instructors or membership needed.
Inexpensive – no special equipment involved.
Achievable – can be done nearly anywhere, anytime.
Easy – just get up and walk!

Benefits of walking

Walking just 30 minutes a day can help you to maintain and improve your health.

A range of studies have shown that physical inactivity increases the incidence of common health complaints, including heart disease, hypertension, stroke, Type 2 diabetes, obesity, gallstone formation and even some types of cancer.

Chiropractic is the science of locating problems in the spine, the art of reducing their impact to the nervous system, and a philosophy of natural health care based on your inborn potential to be healthy.

Chiropractors are experts at analyzing posture and spinal problems. Chiropractic promotes general health by not just providing diagnosis and care of disorders relating to the spine and nervous system, but also in the provision of self-care pertaining to lifestyle factors and movement.

An active spine is a healthy spine, and a healthy spine leads to a healthier life. Chiropractors are also able to provide assessments to patients in a range of areas, including:

GO HOME MS TRAD!!

...Or get off at Park Road, and interchange to a bus that goes to PAH Station...

[longboi]

Exactly the same fear-mongering that killed the bus review.

The only people (slightly) disadvantaged will be the ones who live on the Ferny Grove or Beenleigh lines and presently have a single-seat journey.
Everybody else already has to transfer (or walk). As long as a UBAT station is built at Park Road - which I feel will happen, even if it means re-aligning the bus portion to join at the Gabba - They will just need to transfer to a different mode.

Transferring is no more difficult than getting on or off public transport as these people evidently do already. They just don't know about the alternatives that already (or will eventually) exist.

Best move would be to "close it for construction". People will be forced to change their travel habits and nobody will care when it's gone in eight years time. Besides, chances are another Government will finish the project so they can easily blame Newman for any deceitfulness.

[STB]

Exactly the same fear-mongering that killed the bus review.

The only people (slightly) disadvantaged will be the ones who live on the Ferny Grove or Beenleigh lines and presently have a single-seat journey.
Everybody else already has to transfer (or walk). As long as a UBAT station is built at Park Road - which I feel will happen, even if it means re-aligning the bus portion to join at the Gabba - They will just need to transfer to a different mode.

Transferring is no more difficult than getting on or off public transport as these people evidently do already. They just don't know about the alternatives that already (or will eventually) exist.

Best move would be to "close it for construction". People will be forced to change their travel habits and nobody will care when it's gone in eight years time. Besides, chances are another Government will finish the project so they can easily blame Newman for any deceitfulness.

Best we nip this fear mongering in the bud as quickly as possible and try and get the public to understand that Dutton Park station is not a major loss if it is to be demolished, before it becomes something  a bit too difficult to manage and people stop listening ala the bus review.

[ozbob]

I wouldn't be too concerned either way.  There is a lot to happen yet with the detailed planning and so forth.

Most people realise there is a PA Hospital bus station and the key is how the connections will be developed.

Wait till the poll is finished to see what the consensus is (although it is largely clear now I feel).

[Jonno]

Why would you build a brand new tunnel after a series of bends?  Better to sink line after Fairfield and tunnel  straight from there

[techblitz]

Exactly the same fear-mongering that killed the bus review.

The only people (slightly) disadvantaged will be the ones who live on the Ferny Grove or Beenleigh lines and presently have a single-seat journey.
Everybody else already has to transfer (or walk). As long as a UBAT station is built at Park Road - which I feel will happen, even if it means re-aligning the bus portion to join at the Gabba - They will just need to transfer to a different mode.

Transferring is no more difficult than getting on or off public transport as these people evidently do already. They just don't know about the alternatives that already (or will eventually) exist.

Best move would be to "close it for construction". People will be forced to change their travel habits and nobody will care when it's gone in eight years time. Besides, chances are another Government will finish the project so they can easily blame Newman for any deceitfulness.

Best we nip this fear mongering in the bud as quickly as possible and try and get the public to understand that Dutton Park station is not a major loss if it is to be demolished, before it becomes something  a bit too difficult to manage and people stop listening ala the bus review.

city south news 28.11.13

[STB]

Exactly the same fear-mongering that killed the bus review.

The only people (slightly) disadvantaged will be the ones who live on the Ferny Grove or Beenleigh lines and presently have a single-seat journey.
Everybody else already has to transfer (or walk). As long as a UBAT station is built at Park Road - which I feel will happen, even if it means re-aligning the bus portion to join at the Gabba - They will just need to transfer to a different mode.

Transferring is no more difficult than getting on or off public transport as these people evidently do already. They just don't know about the alternatives that already (or will eventually) exist.

Best move would be to "close it for construction". People will be forced to change their travel habits and nobody will care when it's gone in eight years time. Besides, chances are another Government will finish the project so they can easily blame Newman for any deceitfulness.

Best we nip this fear mongering in the bud as quickly as possible and try and get the public to understand that Dutton Park station is not a major loss if it is to be demolished, before it becomes something  a bit too difficult to manage and people stop listening ala the bus review.

city south news 28.11.13

Oh FFS! 

[James]

city south news 28.11.13

"It's the only way a lot of people can get to the hospital."

So what purpose does the PA Hospital busway station serve then? What about the PA Hospital Cityxpress stop? Can't we use those to get to the hospital?

[longboi]

city south news 28.11.13

"It's the only way a lot of people can get to the hospital."

So what purpose does the PA Hospital busway station serve then? What about the PA Hospital Cityxpress stop? Can't we use those to get to the hospital?

I think the "I'll have to figure out another way to get around" quote sums it up.

I bet most would be surprised to learn of the existence of the 196 which is quicker, more frequent and had a greater span of hours than the train. Many people just simply ignore entire modes of transport.

[petey3801]

Why would you build a brand new tunnel after a series of bends?  Better to sink line after Fairfield and tunnel  straight from there

Agreed, which is one reason why I much prefer the CRR route with the tunnel from Y'pilly. The UBAT is just locking in a crappy Beenleigh line alignment, with very little extra capacity gained on much of the BNH line for express trains etc.

[Golliwog]

Why would you build a brand new tunnel after a series of bends?  Better to sink line after Fairfield and tunnel  straight from there

Agreed, which is one reason why I much prefer the CRR route with the tunnel from Y'pilly. The UBAT is just locking in a crappy Beenleigh line alignment, with very little extra capacity gained on much of the BNH line for express trains etc.

It's the "We'll fix that later" solution.

[Derwan]

Residents living close to Dutton Park should probably be careful about voicing their opposition.  If the opposition gains momentum and Dutton Park remains open, the portal will have to be moved - meaning resumptions!

Voice your opposition and you might just lose your house! 

[Golliwog]

Agreed, which is one reason why I much prefer the CRR route with the tunnel from Y'pilly. The UBAT is just locking in a crappy Beenleigh line alignment, with very little extra capacity gained on much of the BNH line for express trains etc.

It's the "We'll fix that later" solution.

The issue with the tunnel to Yerongpilli is cost. You are probably paying $500-1000m for the extra tunnels and stations.

I'd actually like to see the cost benefit of the current UBAt versus UBAT with the bus's still coming in where they do now but the train starting from Y'pilly with the station at Park Rd. I think you may be about right with the cost, though more towards the lower end of your estimates, but if the tunnel starts at Dutton Park and has no provision for extending the tunnel south, you're effectively keeping the poor alignment south of DP, or making it so the only way to improve it is to resume properties. The curves aren't a problem for the suburban services, but rather getting the expresses out of the city ASAP. You provide a better service, you can get more customers on it.

Realistically, there are a lot of decisions that appear to have been made to get their stated cost where I'd like to see the cost benefit of including some things they seem to have cut out. What's the cost of continuing to run so many buses to the city, what's the cost of making UQ/Cleveland bound pax transfer at the Gabba or in the CBD? The cost of not providing the improved track capacity around Mayne?

All their talk has focused on how their UBAT which they advertise as CRR and the City 2 Suburbs link combined will apparently cost about the same as what CRR would have cost by itself. We're missing the discussion of what the parts they've cut out to lower the initial cost are going to cost in the long run.

[Jonno]

Agreed, which is one reason why I much prefer the CRR route with the tunnel from Y'pilly. The UBAT is just locking in a crappy Beenleigh line alignment, with very little extra capacity gained on much of the BNH line for express trains etc.

It's the "We'll fix that later" solution.

The issue with the tunnel to Yerongpilli is cost. You are probably paying $500-1000m for the extra tunnels and stations.

I'd actually like to see the cost benefit of the current UBAt versus UBAT with the bus's still coming in where they do now but the train starting from Y'pilly with the station at Park Rd. I think you may be about right with the cost, though more towards the lower end of your estimates, but if the tunnel starts at Dutton Park and has no provision for extending the tunnel south, you're effectively keeping the poor alignment south of DP, or making it so the only way to improve it is to resume properties. The curves aren't a problem for the suburban services, but rather getting the expresses out of the city ASAP. You provide a better service, you can get more customers on it.

Realistically, there are a lot of decisions that appear to have been made to get their stated cost where I'd like to see the cost benefit of including some things they seem to have cut out. What's the cost of continuing to run so many buses to the city, what's the cost of making UQ/Cleveland bound pax transfer at the Gabba or in the CBD? The cost of not providing the improved track capacity around Mayne?

All their talk has focused on how their UBAT which they advertise as CRR and the City 2 Suburbs link combined will apparently cost about the same as what CRR would have cost by itself. We're missing the discussion of what the parts they've cut out to lower the initial cost are going to cost in the long run.

+1

[#Metro]

This poll has now closed and the results can now be revealed. We want to see Dutton Park Closed.