Train stabling SEQ

[SurfRail]

QR as it is has a decreasing need or justificaton for 3 car sets with the main customers for 3 cars being Rosewood, NCL, Doomben shuttle etc. The current fleet of around 250-300 sets is all 3 car sets and vary in age from 1-2 years to 34 years. All future orders will be 6 car sets and there is ZERO justification to buy 3 car sets because you have enough to last you 30-40 years for those limited and hopefully decreasing areas you do need 3 car sets.

+1

I want them out, I want them gone.

Onwards!!

As do I.  We just need to be realistic about when this can happen.

[petey3801]

I'm not aware of 3CUs in Melbourne or Perth or Sydney or Adelaide.

You obviously haven't been to Perth in a while... Melbourne or Adelaide I can't comment on.. Sydney are mostly 8-car sets, with some 4-car trains still running around, even in peak.

The simple fact of the matter is we won't be getting any new trains for at least another 2 years, so we have to make do with what we have. If we want more services in peak, some will have to end up being 3-cars.

Once the NGR order is complete (75 sets at least), rollingstock availability will be much higher, leading to the ability to get rid of 3-car trains in peak for most lines. But that's not for another few years yet.
And before you say it, we won't have an additional 75 6-car trains to play with once the NGR order is finished. They will be used to retire the EMUs and, quite likely the SMU200s and possibly IMU100s. This does, however, still leave an additional 20 6-car trains for fleet expansion, plus there are options for more trains to be ordered in the NGR contract also.

Just as a bit of evidence for Perth running 3car trains in Peak, here is a shot from my holiday in the middle of PM peak on the Mandurah line:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pjreading/11110854656/

[ozbob]

South East Queensland Rail Stabling Program

Program status

Four sites are currently being progressed to design and construction including:

    Robina (additional capacity within the existing facility) (Gold Coast Line)
    Banyo (Shorncliffe Line)
    Elimbah (North Coast Line)
    Woombye (North Coast Line)

--> http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Projects/Name/S/South-East-Queensland-Rail-Stabling-Program.aspx

[ozbob]

From the Sunshine Coast Daily 28th March 2014 page 19

Woombye floored by rail shed

[#Metro]

Is it really that he's concerned about the trains being flooded or moreso the trains are near his house?
Mayne central yards is next to a creek that is also flood prone. Solution, move the train before the flood as was done in 2011?

[Derwan]

Here are some more detailed diagrams for the stabling project:

Banyo Diagram
Elimbah Diagram
Robina Diagram
Woombye Diagram

Edit: New links.

[ozbob]

^ thanks Derwan, nice diagrams ..

[nathandavid88]

I just noticed on the Brisbane Times coverage of Question Time, that Jackie Trad had announced that Leighton Holdings won the contract to house 75 new trains. No further information was given, but I assume that refers to these projects? Or is there a separate NGR stabling site planned for somewhere?

Question Time link: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/queensland-parliament-live-question-time-may-6-2015-20150506-ggv6eo.html

[ozbob]

^ yes understand the 4 will be built by Leighton Holdings, including Woombye.

[ozbob]

http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2015/5/6/116-million-train-stabling-project-brings-700-jobs-to-south-east-queensland

Media Statements
Deputy Premier, Minister for Transport, Minister for Infrastructure, Local Government and Planning and Minister for Trade
The Honourable Jackie Trad
Wednesday, May 06, 2015

$116 million train stabling project brings 700 jobs to South East Queensland

A $116 million project to construct new train stabling facilities in four locations across the South East is set to create 700 jobs for Queenslanders, Deputy Premier and Minister for Transport Jackie Trad said.

Ms Trad announced local Queensland company Leightons as the preferred contractor to design and construct new stabling facilities to house 75 new six-car trains at Woombye, Elimbah, Banyo and Robina from mid-2016.

She said Leightons won the construction contract as part of a competitive tender process.

"This is part of a $4.4 billion New Generation Rollingstock (NGR) project to deliver 75 whole new trains for Queensland commuters," she said.

"Labor is the party of public transport and this project will deliver increased capacity on our train network - and commuters will be the big winners."

"These projects were initiated under a Labor Government, and we are proud to be delivering for commuters."

"We'll see additional train services coming online from mid-2016, and just as importantly the project will create more jobs in the local construction industry."

Treasurer Curtis Pitt said the project was another sign of the Palaszczuk Government's strong economic development agenda and commitment to creating more jobs.

"These projects are creating over 2,500 jobs in the coming years for manufacturers, maintenance workers and train drivers from the Sunshine Coast down to the Gold Coast and out to Ipswich," he said.

"They come on the back of other Labor Government initiated rail projects such as the Gold Coast Light Rail, Springfield rail connection and the Moreton Bay Rail Link."

"By contrast, all the Newman Government gave us was asset sales and the Tower of Power at 1 William Street."

"This is a major investment in public transport which will put Queensland on course for long-term, sustainable growth."

"It's another sign of our willingness to engage with business and industry to develop the economy, build new infrastructure and create more jobs for Queenslanders."

Ms Trad said the construction of new train stabling facilities marked an exciting new stage in the $4.4 billion rollingstock project.

"Design works will commence from mid-May 2015, and construction is expected to take place between July 2015 and early-2017," she said.

"At the peak of the project, we expect around 700 construction and manufacturing jobs across a number of trades will be created.

"Approximately 85 per cent of all materials for the project will also be sourced from local suppliers."

Ms Trad said the new stabling facilities would ensure Queensland Rail's network could house the 75 new trains overnight or when not in use.

"The NGR project will increase the network's passenger train capacity by 30 per cent, but it needs to be matched with appropriate stabling capacity," Ms Trad said.

"By providing additional rail stabling in more strategic locations, Queensland Rail's network will also operate more efficiently, improving services and reducing costs."

Queensland Rail will host a series of information and drop-in sessions in the coming weeks to discuss the next stage of the stabling project with local residents in the four locations.

For more information about the project, visit queenslandrail.com.au, email stabling@qr.com.au or free call 1800 783 334.

ENDS

[Stillwater]

Note that Woombye facility to go ahead at that location.

[ozbob]

Queensland Rail --> Queensland Rail Stabling Program

Planned capacity for the new stabling facilities is:

Banyo    4 x 6-car trains
Elimbah    8 x 6-car trains
Robina    4 x 6-car trains (additional to current capacity)
Woombye    4 x 6-car trains
Kippa-Ring    Up to 10 x 6-car trains

[ozbob]

http://www.queenslandrail.com.au/AboutUs/Projects/Pages/QueenslandRailStablingProgram.aspx

Woombye information sessions

Queensland Rail invites the Woombye community to meet with members of the project delivery team to discuss the next stages of design and construction of the Woombye stabling facility.

Community information session

Date: Saturday 30 May 2015
Time: 1:00 pm – 2:00 pm
Location: CWA Park, Park Street, Woombye (opposite Woombye Rail Station)

And then for one week, to meet with Queensland Rail representatives at an informal drop-in centre:

Date: Monday 1 – Friday 5 June 2015
Morning sessions: Tuesday and Thursday 7:30 am – 12:30 pm
Afternoon sessions: Monday, Wednesday and Friday 1.00 pm – 6.00 pm
Location: Woombye Rail Station

[SurfRail]

Queensland Rail --> Queensland Rail Stabling Program

Planned capacity for the new stabling facilities is:

Banyo    4 x 6-car trains
Elimbah    8 x 6-car trains
Robina    4 x 6-car trains (additional to current capacity)
Woombye    4 x 6-car trains
Kippa-Ring    Up to 10 x 6-car trains

So total of 30 (35 if they expand Kippa-Ring as seems to be possible).  If the NGR sets are replacing all EMUs, ICEs and the SMU200s, the NGR order will represent an increase in capacity of 21.5 x 6 car set equivalents, so only 8-9 new vacant stabling spots left in addition to what is currently available.  They are going to have to come up with more if they want to grow the fleet any further.

[petey3801]

It's interesting that they didn't put Redbank in the list as well. There is still room for another 3 roads in Redbank yard, giving space for an extra 6x6car trains.

[ozbob]

It's interesting that they didn't put Redbank in the list as well. There is still room for another 3 roads in Redbank yard, giving space for an extra 6x6car trains.

Good point!

Stabling room at Wulkuraka as well?

[bretto82]

When redbank was first being done it was to be 6 roads the got reduced to only 3 but all the enabling for the next three is there so all that's needed is turnouts ballast rail and sleepers all done wulkuraka has no stabling facility's in the Ngr work zone a few other bits I know of but can not say on public forum sorry 😒

[ozbob]

Thanks. 

[ozbob]

Sunshine Coast Daily --> Train cleaning shed on the cards for Woombye

TRANSLINK says a major rail facility proposed for Woombye will have a minimal impact on local residents.

The Queensland Government plans to build a stabling yard on a vacant tract of land several hundred metres from the Woombye rail station.

It is one of four similar facilities proposed for the south-east Queensland rail network to be used to house and clean trains.

Woombye, Banyo, Elimbah and Robina have been chosen as sites for the facilities because they are located on the end of their respective lines.

TransLink said the yards would allow the train network to operate more efficiently and reduce costs.

The yards will house trains overnight while they are cleaned and undergo minor maintenance, such as routine inspections.

No heavy maintenance will be carried out.

A TransLink spokesman said the station would emit minimal noise and light and have minimal impact on nearby residents.

"Modern LED lighting technology is now used in stabling yards, which projects light directly down, minimising the spread of light that is typically experienced in older facilities," he said.

"Trains parked at the Woombye yard will be cleaned internally and prepared for the next day's service.

"Any major maintenance work to trains will be carried out at existing specialised maintenance depots such as the Mayne yard in Brisbane and Wulkuraka near Ipswich.

"The Woombye stabling yard will be located in a cutting, a few metres below ground level, which should help to minimise noise and visual impacts."

TransLink has begun its public consultation process, holding two public meetings in Woombye last week.

The Government hopes to break ground on the project in 2015 and have the facility operational by late 2016.

Attempts to contact a Woombye Community and Business Association spokesperson yesterday were unsuccessful.

[ozbob]

Understand there is a protest meeting in Woombye this evening concerning the proposed stabling yard.

[ozbob]

Understand there is a protest meeting in Woombye this evening concerning the proposed stabling yard.

https://www.facebook.com/WoombyeCBA

COMMUNITY MEETING MONDAY 11 MAY WOOMBYE BOWLS CLUB ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ THIS IS WOOMBYE'S LAST CHANCE TO SAVE OUR SPORTING AND CULTURAL AMENITIES!! (Woombye Soccer/ Pony Club / Woombye Scouts / Lutheran Church Woombye will never be what it is today if the Rail Stabling Facility is built in the middle of the village next year. To save Woombye we need PEOPLE POWER for a community meeting on Monday, 11th May 6.30pm at Woombye Bowls Club. WARS (Woombye Against Rail Stabling) will explain the viable option to locate the stabling yard in Nambour where a yard already exists. -Peter Wellington MP is attending to answer your questions. -Deputy Premier Jackie Trad MP is also attending. -Woombye Soccer Club, Woombye Scouts and all other affected groups are attending in full uniform as there will be a strong media presence. So come along to this meeting. Forward this email to your contacts and tell everyone to help save Woombye. Also on the agenda is the Moorehouse Road Facility that is currently under construction. What is it, and why is it being built when the Woombye community was told it would not go ahead? See you at the Woombye Bowls Club on Monday Night. Please share widely! Thank you

[ozbob]

Don't blame the residents.  It is a perceived threat to their village abode.   In reality a 4 train stabling yard is not much of an event. Redbank and other locations on the network understand that stabling is essential to optimum services.

Yandina is an option. The authorities don't like that location because of the single line, but hey the line from Woombye <- > Nambour is single line and has more trains than Nambour < - > Yandina.  Yandina is future proof.  Woombye will never be expanded (if it is built). A stage 2 is planned but the locals will go ballistic if that was done is my guess.

Nambour - expanding stabling options are limited and restricts options for station improvements. 

I know that one day the line from Beerburrum to Nambour will be theoretically be duplicated, it might and so might the line through to Yandina as Nambour intensifies as well as Yandina.

Queensland!   

[ozbob]

Be interesting to see if Peter Wellington and Jack Trad hold the line or fold .. 

[pandmaster]

What exactly are their concerns? It is a small facility and it will be unobtrusive.

The rail line has been there for ages, so anyone who lives there accepts that the rail line can be developed.

[red dragin]

Its located away from the town considerably. I thought it was in the town next to the station the way they've been talking.

[SurfRail]

I thought there was plenty more room at Banyo than what they appear to be allowing for.  Maybe not if they want access to Shorncliffe without reversing.

[HappyTrainGuy]

AFAIK the existing Banyo facilities will still be operational hence the limit yard capacity.

[Stillwater]

Re Woombye, it is the duplicated (and realigned) line, that will wipe out the scout and guide hall, soccer grounds and other sporting facilities, not the train stabling facility.  QR should see the sense of looking at this sensibly, in stages.  Uncertainty over the timing of the track duplication means that none of the sports clubs is doing anything about improving those facilities.  The town infrastructure is running down because of this.

QR should make an offer and join with the Sunshine Coast Regional Council to relocate the town sporting facilities, girl guides etc to a new purpose-built facility (facilities).  That should happen now, even if track duplication is several years off.  That way, the town can progress orderly around the new 'sporting core' site.

Such a move would take the anxiety out of the situation.  Then tackle issue of noise, lighting etc around train stabling facility.  People are jumbling everything into one atm.

[ozbob]

Sunshine Coast Daily --> 'The decision is final': Deputy premier railroads train fight


http://media.apnarm.net.au/img/media/images/2015/05/12/SCN_12-05-2015_EGN_04_SCN110515STABLINGg_fct1024x768_t620.jpg

DEPUTY Premier Jackie Trad listened to a roomful of Woombye residents' concerns before telling them rail stabling yards were definitely going ahead.

"The decision is final," Ms Trad told the room last night, resulting in near unanimous uproar.

The Woombye Bowls Club was packed with residents keen to voice their opposition to the decision announced last week that the yards would be built next year.

Issues including noise pollution, light pollution, land values and the loss of community and sporting facilities were raised by residents clearly worried about the effect the carriage storage yards would have.

Woombye Soccer Club president Mark Dixson was worried that rail stabling would lead to the resumption of sporting fields where his club was based.

"We need to know from the State Government and local government the future of our sporting facility in Woombye," Mr Dixson said.

"The sporting facility generates so much business through the town.

"We can't let it happen."

Member for Nicklin Peter Wellington assured the crowd he had made strong representations on behalf of Woombye residents.

Despite being met with loud opposition, Mr Wellington said the Coast needed more rail services and he was confident the stabling at Woombye would allow that to happen.

He also explained his understanding of why Woombye had been chosen.

"The Deputy Premier has given a commitment to release the feasibility studies which I understand will say Nambour is not an alternative site," Mr Wellington said.

Ms Trad she had attended the meeting to defend the decision she had made based on the technical advice she had received.

"I'm not hiding anything," Ms Trad said.

"This has all been based on sound transport planning and we have investigated over 70 options throughout the south-east corner."

An alternative plan was put forward by Woombye Against Rail Stabling spokesman James Kasmer.

He hoped it would be considered and the government would work with the community for a solution.

[#Metro]

"The decision is final," Ms Trad told the room last night, resulting in near unanimous uproar.

Ouch! Must have been quite a shock to have door-in-face!

[pandmaster]

Good on Trad for sticking to her guns. Emerson did not.

Surely the sporting fields can be relocated quite easily. It is not like there is a land shortage around Woombye.

[ozbob]

Sunshine Coast Daily --> Town leader, businessman backs Woombye rail yard

[Derwan]

AFAIK the existing Banyo facilities will still be operational hence the limit yard capacity.

Yeah - according to the design diagram they're simply replacing/upgrading the existing tracks beside the workshop - and adding new access points and crossovers at both ends.

[SurfRail]

There's still stackloads of room there, just not accessible from the Shorncliffe end.

[ozbob]

Sunshine Coast Daily --> Wellington Q and A dispels Queensland Rail project rumours

DISPLACEMENT of sports clubs, endangerment of local wildlife, and a lack of transparency are all false accusations, according to Nicklin MP Peter Wellington.

Queensland Rail have planned to build a stabling facility in a vacant space near Woombye's train station that will allow the creation of nine new train services for the Sunshine Coast.

There has been much confusion and public angst toward the project since the original planning back in 2012.

Mr Wellington has been specifically criticised by angry residents who claim he has failed to represent the Woombye community.

Queensland Rail and Mr Wellington invited locals to a Q & A in Woombye's CWA Park yesterday.

Mr Wellington said it was a good opportunity to address the "rumours" that had been spreading.

"There is no immediate proposal to affect the sporting fields, none whatsoever," he said. "The pony club, none whatsoever.

"That is long-term, down the road when the (rail) duplication happens."

There has been some confusion surrounding the site because there are also plans to duplicate the railway, and those plans are threatening to displace the soccer club, pony club, scout hall and Lutheran Church.

Woombye resident Stephen Walsh is outraged at the proposal and said the stabling facility would contaminate the area with harsh chemicals used to clean the trains.

"I've been given this information from several links," he said. "I believe this is correct.

"This was passed on from another member of parliament to someone else who said yes, this site would be classified as a contaminated site, and it refers to the specific areas of legislation."

Mr Wellington said those claims were "absolutely ridiculous".

"It's not an industrial site and it never will be. That's simply scare mongering," he said. "All that will be happening is they will be vacuuming the trains."

Nambour was the only other realistic site for the proposed stabling facility but construction there would have significant disruptions to the train service for up to two years.

The Woombye site will have limited to no impact on the train service.

Queensland Rail also established a Woombye Community Reference Group yesterday so locals can provide feedback and have an input on the design of the new facility.

Queensland Rail general manager of corporate and customer relations Rebecca Masci said the response from the public had been positive.

"I think the concerns that have been flagged are just caused from misunderstanding and that's why we've been really proactive over the past few weeks," she said.

"We've handed out 800 flyers to letterboxes in Woombye and most people have left the Q & A feeling better about the project."

[pandmaster]

^What scaremongering! So much misinformation.

[ozbob]

Sunshine Coast Daily --> Nambour a better option: Woombye anti-rail stabling group

[ozbob]

Queensland Rail Stabling Program: Site Selections

>> https://www.queenslandrail.com.au/Community/Projects/Pages/Site-selections.aspx

[ozbob]

Couriermail Quest --> Banyo train station new stabling yard causes fear of 2012 train and truck collision repeat

QUEENSLAND Rail is moving to assure residents a major project will not compound woes at a dangerous and confusing intersection.

Banyo resident Troy Lockett said he had witnessed a number of near-misses between vehicles and trains at the Banyo crossing, north of Brisbane.

He feared a repeat of a horrific 2012 train-truck collision.

Construction of a train stabling facility near the St Vincent's Rd crossing to house four of Queensland Rail's new generation of trains is almost complete.

"I think having that rail yard there will possibly increase the number of trains that go through that intersection," Mr Lockett said.

A Queensland Rail spokesman said the yard would be fully operational midyear but moved to allay fears over added trains.

"Once the yard is operational, the majority of train movements will occur late at night after the last services, or very early in the morning, minimising the impact on the traffic and the level crossing," the spokesman said.

"The stabling yard in itself will not generate any additional traffic and is not expected to impact the peak traffic flows around the Banyo level crossing."

Mr Lockett said 'Give Way' signs in both directions and a high traffic flow led to congestion and called on Brisbane City Council and the State Government to improve the crossing.

"There has been a number of near misses, similar to the (2012) incident where a truck got stuck on the tracks. Vehicles are held up with cars in front of them, or they have stopped, or they have stalled (on the tracks)," Mr Lockett said.

The $116 million Rail Stabling Program is part of the broader New Generation Rollingstock project that will see 75 suburban six-car trains added to the southeast Queensland City­train network, a rise of 30 per cent.

Facilities are also being built at Elimbah, and Woombye on the Caboolture line and the existing facility at Robina expanded.

The Queensland Rail spokesman said many stabling sites were considered.

"The four sites selected, including Banyo, performed the best on a number of criteria, including site conditions, constructability, technical feasibility, cost and operational benefits," he said.

"In addition, the site is an efficient use of available land in the existing rail corridor."

[ozbob]

Queensland Times --> Town's proposed train storage facility 'rings alarm bells'

QUEENSLAND Rail has been asked to reveal its intentions on whether a train parking lot will be built at Rosewood.

The proposal for a train stable facility off Railway St at Rosewood has been on the agenda of the State Government since early 2013, but remains in the planning stage.

Division 10 Councillor David Pahkle has called on the State Government to reveal whether the facility, similar to that at Wulkuraka, will be built.

"It goes right back to 2013/14 when they were looking at this stabling complex hard up against the township of Rosewood and in a flooding area," Cr Pahlke said.

The land was proposed for future stabling use after the rollout of the New Generation Rollingstock trains.

Wanting questions answered, Cr Pahlke wondered if the project would go ahead.

"They seemed to have backed off this one," he said.

"They wouldn't agree to community consultation.

"C'mon Q-rail, don't make it a Q-fail. Get out there and talk to my community."

He said questions about the project to the State Government went unanswered.

"I get a wall of silence from them and I have done for five years," he said.

"I'm not saying I'm against it, but put a display in the main street and show your intentions, don't try to sneak it in."

After the QT put questions to the State Government, Transport and Main Roads Minister Mark Bailey wrote to Cr Pahlke and offered him a briefing on the subject.

In a letter to Cr Pahlke, Mr Bailey revealed the site would soon be gazetted as "future railway land".

"The Rosewood site is part of TMR's southeast Queensland outer network stabling project to support the ongoing efficient operation of the rail network," he wrote.

Cr Pahlke said the imminent gazettal "rings alarms bells with me".

He said a decision to earmark the land for railway use should be put on hold until the community could be consulted about the project.