Saturdays to Gympie Nth

[mufreight]

It seems that for any travel to the north of Nambour on a Saturday leaving Brisbane before 5.03pm, it is a case of forget it so there is no provision for travel on a Saturday morning, it is either travel north on the Friday or lose most of Saturday.
Surely the 8.00am service that operated to Nambour could be extended through to Gympie North with a midday return which would also enable passengers to travel down from points to the North of Nanbour  to arrive in Brisbane at a reasonable hour.
There may only be light loadings for the Saturday morning northbound service but having that service provides an option to the use of a private car and the passengers returning would boost the numbers on the southbound services.
It would then be possible to do the trip to Gympie then ride the Mary Valley Rattler, have dinner in Gympie and return to Brisbane the same night.
Any thoughts?   

[somebody]

The 3 return services per weekend is a bit crap.  Just make it double daily like weekdays.

[mufreight]

The 3 return services per weekend is a bit cr%p.  Just make it double daily like weekdays.

At present there is only one service of a Saturday that is leaving Roma Street at 5.03pm,
Forgot to do any research once again did you and lead with the mouth yet again,
Yes must agtee, a double daily service like weekdays  would be a welcome improvement.

[somebody]

The 3 return services per weekend is a bit cr%p.  Just make it double daily like weekdays.

At present there is only one service of a Saturday that is leaving Roma Street at 5.03pm,
Forgot to do any research once again did you and lead with the mouth yet again,
Yes must agtee, a double daily service like weekdays  would be a welcome improvement.

I usually don't respond to this crap, but I will this time.

There is an 1 outbound service on Sat at 17:03 ex-Roma St, that is true.  There are two inbound services on Saturday, leaving GYN at 5:50am and 20:47

There are also two outbound services on a Sunday, ex-Roma St at 12:02pm and 17:03, and one inbound Sunday service, ex-GYN at 15:50

That's 3 return services per weekend.

Be nice if you could be bothered to read a timetable before going off half cocked as usual.

[mufreight]

The 3 return services per weekend is a bit cr%p.  Just make it double daily like weekdays.

At present there is only one service of a Saturday that is leaving Roma Street at 5.03pm,
Forgot to do any research once again did you and lead with the mouth yet again,
Yes must agtee, a double daily service like weekdays  would be a welcome improvement.

I usually don't respond to this cr%p, but I will this time.

There is an 1 outbound service on Sat at 17:03 ex-Roma St, that is true.  There are two inbound services on Saturday, leaving GYN at 5:50am and 20:47

There are also two outbound services on a Sunday, ex-Roma St at 12:02pm and 17:03, and one inbound Sunday service, ex-GYN at 15:50

That's 3 return services per weekend.

Be nice if you could be bothered to read a timetable before going off half cocked as usual.

So nice of you to respond, but unless the written word escapes me the subject was not about weekend services but specificaly about SATURDAY SERVICES TO GYMPIE NORTH, under the present timetable there is one round trip timetabled to and from Gympie on a Saturday and that service is timetabled to depart Roma Street at 5.03pm.
There is a need for a morning northbound service, on a recent Saturday I caught the 8.00am service to Nambour and on arrival at Nambour there were some 17 other people who were continuing their journey north of Nambour who were then waiting for people to come and pick them up, one group of eleven  were going through to Gympie and had arranged the charter of a Mini Bus to continue their journey from Nambour.
There is no bus service that operates between Nambour and Gympie that could be used to make the connection and if there is no service provided then passangers are either forced to travel th previous night and overnight in Gympie, arrande other transport either for the entire trip or from Nambour or simply not travel.
Public transport is about providing a service that is as convenient and affordable as possible to encourage usage not about making it as inconvenient as possible to deter any usage.

[James]

I disagree with commuter rail services north of Nambour in general. Patronage is low Traveston - Yandina and it would be better to just run a bus from Nambour to Gympie North every three hours. Running a train is not only a waste of resources, but it takes up a train path which could be better used otherwise.

If Gympie North or Cooroy residents want a train, they can use the Tilt Train. Long term, Gympie shouldn't be part of the TransLink network full stop. It isn't part of SEQ. We firstly need to focus on making public transport convenient to catch to the Sunshine Coast - right now it's not even at that stage.

[Old Northern Road]

I disagree with commuter rail services north of Nambour in general. Patronage is low Traveston - Yandina and it would be better to just run a bus from Nambour to Gympie North every three hours. Running a train is not only a waste of resources, but it takes up a train path which could be better used otherwise.

If Gympie North or Cooroy residents want a train, they can use the Tilt Train. Long term, Gympie shouldn't be part of the TransLink network full stop. It isn't part of SEQ. We firstly need to focus on making public transport convenient to catch to the Sunshine Coast - right now it's not even at that stage.

I think that is the plan actually (probably when the ICE trains are retired). The Connecting SEQ 2031 document only had trains running as far as Nambour. Once the new diesel tilt is running there should be 3 return services per day. The existing Cairns tilt even runs at a similar time as the Gympie North train. I guess stations like Traveston and Cooran would either be closed down or trains would stop there only on request.

[Gazza]

The 3 return services per weekend is a bit cr%p.  Just make it double daily like weekdays.

but unless the written word escapes me the subject was not about weekend services but specificaly about SATURDAY SERVICES TO GYMPIE NORTH

Simon did use the word "Weekend" though, not Saturday.

I agree with him anyway, make it 2 returns per day, not just Saturday only.
Why focus on Saturday exclusively anway? Sunday travellers are important too.

I also agree that it's a bit of an anomaly that Gympie North is part of the Translink network, but the town buses aren't.
Cooroy I'd have thought would've been a more logical endpoint (Level with Noosa)

[Arnz]

Simply extending the Saturday 8am Roma Street to Nambour to Gympie isn't that simple either.  It forms the 10:13am Nambour to Caboolture shuttle arriving Caboolture at 11:13am. 

That IMU is then parked at the Caboolture yard (and swapped out) for another IMU rostered to operate a Caboolture-Nambour shuttle leaving Caboolture at 1:22pm (which in turn forms the 2:43pm Nambour to Roma Street service).

[somebody]

If you just add a northbound service on Saturday and don't change Sunday you would need to run a southbound empty.

[mufreight]

If you just add a northbound service on Saturday and don't change Sunday you would need to run a southbound empty.

The morning northbound service would return in service from Gympie North to make the existing 2.43 departure from Nambour to Brisbane creating a balance working.
The Nambour to Caboolture shuttle service at 10.30am and its opposing service the 1.22pm ex  Caboolture to Nambour could be operated by a set ex the stabling at Nambour.

[somebody]

If you just add a northbound service on Saturday and don't change Sunday you would need to run a southbound empty.

The morning northbound service would return in service from Gympie North to make the existing 2.43 departure from Nambour to Brisbane creating a balance working.
The Nambour to Caboolture shuttle service at 10.30am and its opposing service the 1.22pm ex  Caboolture to Nambour could be operated by a set ex the stabling at Nambour.

And what happens on Sunday?

[mufreight]

 Simple, No change from the existing Sunday timetable,

[Arnz]

The ICE would also be required as they are the units dedicated to the Gympie North runs.   If I recall correctly, the Gympie North trains with their own dedicated rollingstock (the ICEs) operate on the Suburbans, on their own dedicated express pattern (express Bowen Hills to Caboolture non-stop) with the exception for the Mon-Sat morning inbound arrivals from Gympie using the mains. 

If anything a Saturday morning Gympie North would have to be a extra service, and not a replacement of the existing Saturday Nambour trains.

[mufreight]

The ICE would also be required as they are the units dedicated to the Gympie North runs.   If I recall correctly, the Gympie North trains with their own dedicated rollingstock (the ICEs) operate on the Suburbans, on their own dedicated express pattern (express Bowen Hills to Caboolture non-stop) with the exception for the Mon-Sat morning inbound arrivals from Gympie using the mains. 

If anything a Saturday morning Gympie North would have to be a extra service, and not a replacement of the existing Saturday Nambour trains.

The 8.00am Saturday Nambour service ex Roma Street has been run with an IMU each time that I have used it and despite the ICE sets being the preferred option for Gympie North services the IMU sets are frequently rostered for Gympie North Services.

[somebody]

Simple, No change from the existing Sunday timetable,

You're an idiot.

[mufreight]

Simple, No change from the existing Sunday timetable,

You're an idiot.

You asked the question and you got a simple straightforward answer which you disagree with, why change the existing Sunday timetable or timing of services, this thread was about quite simply the lack of a Saturday service for those travelling to the north of Nambour.
There is a demonstrated need for a service be it train or bus northwards on a Saturday morning.
There was no mention of any need or desire to alter services on a Sunday.
You obviously did not read the thread or the post then took off in a smother of foam and took exception when you got a response that did not fit with your in this case irrelevant opinion.
If you can not make a practical objective contribution to posts on this forum might I suggest politely that you not bother posting irrelevant foam as it does nothing either for your personal credibility or that of the forum.

[Arnz]

The ICEs are usually the preferred units due to the ATP requirements beyond Nambour, and that the ICEs are the only units in the City network passenger fleet equipped with ATP.   Whenever the older IMUs are used beyond Nambour, 2 crews at the front is required due to the absence of ATP equipment. (effectively turning it into a 3-man crewed train).

The IMU100/120s (and the occasional SMU200/220) IIRC are the only units equipped with the alternative measures whenever ATP isn't available for Gympie services, hence mainly the older IMUs are used as the frequent substitutes whenever the ICE isn't available.

Using the ICEs on the IMU's stopping pattern is not properly using what the ICE train was originally intended for (and decreases reliability of the ICE units).  So, the alternative would have to be a ICE/IMU on a extra service.

[Gazza]

Why shouldnt Sunday services be improved at the same time, mu?

[mufreight]

Why shouldnt Sunday services be improved at the same time, mu?

There are currently two services of a Sunday the same as weekdays.

[Arnz]

Why shouldnt Sunday services be improved at the same time, mu?

There are currently two services of a Sunday the same as weekdays.

1.5 services on Sundays actually.   Daytime return trip and the Sunday evening outbound (stows in the Gympie yard).

[mufreight]

Why shouldnt Sunday services be improved at the same time, mu?

There are currently two services of a Sunday the same as weekdays.

1.5 services on Sundays actually.   Daytime return trip and the Sunday evening outbound (stows in the Gympie yard).

Yes My mistake thought that the evening northbound did a round trip on a similar timetable to the Saturday service returning from Gympie about 8.00pm.

[somebody]

Yes My mistake thought that the evening northbound did a round trip on a similar timetable to the Saturday service returning from Gympie about 8.00pm.

I detailed the timetable in reply #3.

Besides, it is a high chance that if you add an outbound service without adding an inbound one that will require an empty positioning move, which would be a leading practice.

[mufreight]

Yes My mistake thought that the evening northbound did a round trip on a similar timetable to the Saturday service returning from Gympie about 8.00pm.

I detailed the timetable in reply #3.

Besides, it is a high chance that if you add an outbound service without adding an inbound one that will require an empty positioning move, which would be a leading practice.

But we did, the return leg makes the 2.43pm ex Nambour.
Also it is understood that the IMU sets are to be fitted with a form of ATP, timeframe