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http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD:1704221090:pc=PC_2698

Brisbane:  Mass transit consultation

As Brisbane grows there is demand for improved transport services.

Council?s key objectives for investigating mass transit options for Brisbane?s public transport system are:

    * to increase carrying capacity
    * to increase accessibility
    * to identify transport opportunities for suburban areas not currently served by the rail network

Brisbane City Council is seeking public opinion about mass transit.  Your opinion will help direct further work on this study. Have your say on Brisbane?s mass transit options.

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Suggestions

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org)  is a web based community organisation that is concerned with the promotion of rail transport in Australia.  We have a particular focus for Queensland and for Brisbane and SEQ.

Many constructive suggestions have been made through RAIL Back On Track.

Some of these suggestions are summarised below:

1.  Heavy rail is the bulk people mover.  As you move further out of the inner city it is important to have local transport to railway stations.  Parking at railway and bus stations is a major issue.  An issue for those residents near stations and businesses.  The City Loop bus is a good model, as is the Personalised Public Transport  (PPT) project.

2. Light rail be seriously considered for some inner city routes.  For example West End - City - New Farm.  Another possible location would be from Indooroopilly to Kenmore or thereabouts.  Light rail can carry 25,000 passengers per hour in the space of a two lane road, this would require the equivalent of a 16 lane road for normal vehicles to reach this capacity!  Light rail is best kept separate from road traffic.  Aerial light rail is an option for certain areas of Brisbane.

3.  At peak times it will be difficult to cram more buses into the City precinct.  The INB will help.   Rather than running buses in competition with rail use the buses to feed high frequency services. Areas the don't have rail run into the city. The frequency on all rail lines in Brisbane should be 15 minutes from 6am to 8pm, with 5 minutes or less at both peaks.

4.  The railway line to the Airport is underutilised. The service to the Brisbane Airport uses Queensland Railways suburban trains.  The cost of the travel from the City to the Airport is at a cost that actively discourages people from using it.  It should be brought into the same fare structure as for the rest of metropolitan railway network.   The Airport effectively lies in Zone 3.  This equates to a normal return fare of $6 compared to the present $22 Airtrain return fare.  It is a cost differential that results in empty trains, and because of that a decrease in train frequency, which in turn leads to fewer passengers.  An irreversible slide.  Trains to the Airport should run as for the rest of Translink system.

If the State Government took back management from Airtrain City Link Ltd (? BCC), or at least subsidised the fares to normal fare structure, the trains would be well patronised and be available for not only domestic and international passengers, but people employed in the airport precinct.
Road congestion, delays and costs would be minimised.

5.  An underground railway, extension for the present QR network is needed.  A loop from Central  --- Eagle Street, Botanical Gardens, Roma St.  A branch from that could pass through (underneath) Wooloongabba and rejoin the Beenleigh Line.

6.  Consideration needs to given for supporting people who wish to change commuting behaviours. For someone who does not regularly catch buses or trains, it can be initially difficult.  Education, support and encouragement.

7. The standard gauge line could be utilised for commuter transport. Either dual gauge or lay another 3'6" line. This would allow rapid rail from say Bromelton.

More at RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org)

Well done BCC on having the forum!

Best wishes
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Check out http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD:1704221090:pc=PC_2698

There has been some great suggestions made there.

Good on the BCC for soliciting opinion!

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These are the posts I have added to the BCC forum:

A final word?
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 21, 2007 at 05:47:22)

Clem Jones has been noted as saying that one of his greatest regrets was getting rid of Brisbane trams.

Modern light rail as proposed for Brisbane will be generally separate from other road users and unrestricted. It can easily carry 25K pax per hour.
Integrated with the continuing expansion of heavy rail, busways, and local feeder transport to rail and bus stations progress is possible.

Underground loop extending present heavy rail Central - Eagles St- Botantical Gardens - under river Wooloongabba, then back on to the Beenleigh/Cleveland lines around Park Road. Loop from QUT back to Roma St.

Use the Exhibition loop 52 weeks of the year. Exhibition station and open another near QUT KG access point.

Ticketing: Flat charge maximum of two zones.

Frequency: Off peak 15 minutes, On Peak 5 minutes or less.

Cordon the CBD. It has to come.

If you wish to continue discussion on these matters please join us at RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

:-)

Dual gauge at Roma St Station
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 20, 2007 at 15:58:26)

The dual gauging of Platforms 2 and 3 for 3'6" (Queensland Railways gauge) and 4' 8.5" (standard gauge) at Roma St is a SMART state move! There is now the opportunity for running standard gauge commuter trains from Bromelton utilising the standard gauge line. The track configuration at Roma St now allows trains to terminate and locomotives to run around as necessary. A regular commuter service on this line would expand public transport options to suburbs that do not have ready access to convenient transport to Brisbane City.

Recent surveys have placed Brisbane as one of the worst State Capital cities in Australia for public transport access. Utilising the standard gauge rail corridor will help to increase access for more citizens.

See --> http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=103.0

Invitation
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 20, 2007 at 14:49:23)

Invitation to anyone interested in rail and public transport to join us at RAIL Back On Track --> http://backontrack.org

In these times of looming energy shortfalls and environmental concerns, it makes a lot of sense to re-invigorate our nation's rail networks. The Australian political process is cumbersome and prone to influence by vested commercial interests. All citizens have a role and responsibility to influence the future development of our nation. This development needs to be in the best interest of all Australians!

Please join us with your suggestions and comments on how rail may be used for the nation's benefit overall.

Contact your Ministers of Transport and Local Members, Councillors with your comments, suggestions and concerns. Only by doing that is the message going to be heard!

Access to stations without having to park!
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 20, 2007 at 10:19:36)

Parking at many railway stations is becoming a major problem for local residents and businesses.
Loop buses in the suburbs, regular and certain will reduce the demand for parking. If citizens can get a bus to and from the station no need to drive and the parking hassles. The free loop buses in Brisbane City are a good model.
RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) has suggested this previously and put this forward to the Chair of the Brisbane Council Transport committee at a meeting late 2006.

The FREE City loop buses have been fitted with Translink Smart Card touch off devices. Does this mean the days of the free city loop bus are numbered? If this is the case A VERY BACKWARD STEP!!

The Translink Smart Card is NOT what it seems to be. When you look past the spin it is cause for great concern!

Check out this --> http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=135.0

Well done Brisbane!!
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 19, 2007 at 05:13:40)

Well done BCC and residents of Brisbane!
The feedback to this forum has been very constructive and the number of posts reflects the importance that mass transit, and public transport matters generally are held in the mind of the community.

It is interesting that the consensus opinion reflects the recent Smart State Councils report, which in turn also supports the BCC's plans for Brisbane.

It is time NOW for major policy shifts and use our transport systems for the best outcomes for the community.

It is my hope that our leaders will read all the posts on this forum and use the views expressed here to inform future progress.

Well done Brisbane!!

For all interested in rail and public transport you are welcome at RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org

Be aware, very aware ...
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 17, 2007 at 20:10:25)

The Translink Smart card soon to foisted on a generally unsuspecting public is real cause for concern, we should be very worried. I have been trying to get answers to some basic issues as the poster Anon. earlier has pointed out.

Check out --> http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=135.0

Weekly tickets and other periodical tickets need to be programmable by this Smart card. But because it is years behind it is old technology, real old and a big dud they can't apparently! They will try to spin it and its flexibility and convenience, they forget to tell you the hidden costs, and they need to bring the software up to today's requirements. There are real cost implications for commuters, and at a time when we should be encouraging people to use PT.

Cut your losses with this failure Translink. Get a system that is flexible, one that does need antiquated touch on and touch off (and with the penalties to boot!).

The Translink ticketing zones are also silly and a complete farce!
See --> http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=90.0
for zone rationalisation.
Melbourne has 2 zones! Crikey we have 23!!!

:-)

Wake up?
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 16, 2007 at 21:20:59)

Our PT is a mess. Our PT staff bus drivers, ferry crew, rail staff are generally doing a great job with the limited resources they are provided with. It is not their fault, it is the failure to plan properly at many levels that has lead to this. We have all been a sleep at the wheel, 70s and 80s, we started to wake up in the 90s. Now it is clear for all see.

Face it, we have reached saturation on the trains at peak, saturation on the buses at peak, saturation on the cats/ferries at peak. The roads are a choking congestion pit of despair - constant accidents, delays and grid lock.
In short we have a mess on our hands!

What is the answer?

44 new 3 car suburban rail units are on the way. Fortunately we found out last week that they have also started to train extra crew (see here --> http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=149.0 ) Heavy rail is the bulk people mover, we actually need another 22 new 3 car suburban units to give 66 new sets. This with the appropriate crew will allow 15 minute frequency during the day on all lines. 5 Minute during peak. Providing local transport is supplied to feed key rail heads, relieves pressure on buses and roads.

Did you see Dr Who last Saturday night? Funny hey ...... gridlock!! Folks in traffic jams for years and years ... crikey I laughed (Brisbane?), not much else to do!!

Well there is, and folks are doing it. Speak out and contact your political representatives, let them know your ideas and suggestions. All points of view valid (yes even the moving sidewalks! :-) )

Time to wake up!!


CBD congestion
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 15, 2007 at 19:57:31)

I agree with Tristan Peach in that a congestion charge could be implemented immediately and funds channelled directly into public transport improvements and fare reductions.
Pedestrians reclaim the streets.

For the last week I have conducted my own quick surveys on car occupancy as comes off the free way and along Margaret street around 7 to 7.30am. Approx 80% of the cars have one occupant, the driver. Amazing hey? Maybe some of them have dropped someone off somewhere but that is still a staggering rate. Do they really need to drive all the way into the City?

We need to be make PT more accessible to all. The pedestrian bridges will help.

History repeats
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 15, 2007 at 19:38:26)

Light rail is a sensible proposition for Brisbane. Not many more buses will fit into Brisbane CBD. The light rail solutions for high density mass transit will be generally separate from any other road users. Many major cities have turned to light rail and will continue to do so. Forget the overhead wires won't be needed. Aerial light rail is flexible and will suit parts of Brisbane. The days of unrestricted car access to the City precincts are coming to a end. A fact highlighted in the Smart Start Council's plan.

The Ferny Grove railway line would be a great natural extension of Brisbane's Light rail network. Similar in some respects to the former heavy rail line to St Kilda in Melbourne, now light rail. Multiple units on light rail can carry 1000 passengers in comfort and safety.

Smart Cities
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 15, 2007 at 11:46:46)

The report is available from the link below.

The Smart Cities: rethinking the city centre report presents a vision for planning Brisbane as a centrepiece for the Smart State. It focuses on planning the city centre around existing creative, cultural, education and research precincts and aims to improve the connections across the city centre for the Brisbane community.

--> http://www.smartstate.qld.gov.au/partnerships/ss_councilreports.shtm

When this discussion forum closes (20th July) everyone who is interested in continuing discussions on rail and public transport improvements is welcome at RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org



Light rail for Brisbane!! YES!!
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 15, 2007 at 07:12:02)

The Courier Mail is reporting this morning a CBD plan details here --> http://www.news.com.au/sundaymail/story/0,23739,22074554-3102,00.html

Importantly there is a short piece in today's Sunday Mail on proposed light rail network to complement this. The separate story on the light rail network appears not to be online, but it details tram connecting New Farm West End South Brisbane with a loop through Bowen Hills. The Smart State Council's plan for this is to be applauded. At last some sanity!!

Bus interchange Indooroopilly
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 15, 2007 at 05:55:12)

Great suggestion Scot. There is limited parking in the Indooroopilly railway station precinct and what is available will be best used for disabled users. The station needs an upgrade. Using the Military base as a Bus interchange is sound. If that was not possible utilising the airspace above Indooroopilly station would also be a solution.

Running frequent bus links then to feed the railway would take a lot of pressure off and allow folks to commute comfortably. Another serious option I believe is a light rail with branches running from the Mogill Centenary Kenmore suburbs to Indooroopilly railway station.

Smart card?
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 14, 2007 at 05:22:00)

The Translink smart card does offer hope for convenience. There are however MANY unanswered issues with these cards. Particularly in view of the potential cost impact on regular commuters who use weekly and ten trip saver tickets.

RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) is very concerned that ongoing issues with the Smart card are reflected in the implementation delays. It is years, yes years behind schedule. Touted as a panacea for SEQ mass transit solutions it is now old technology, such are the delays in implementation. Translink smart card is likely to become the face of public transport in SEQ, if it is problematical (as it appears to be) it may well act as a disincentive for folks to use public transport!

For the full details see http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=135.0

Airtrain - a wasted opportunity at present
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 12, 2007 at 14:58:34)

The Airtrain is a wasted community resource. It needs to run at the same frequency and timetable, and fare structure as the rest of the Citytrain network. If that was done it would be used as the method choice for transport to and from the airport. The mess that is roads in peak times to the airport is tragic.

RAIL Back On Track has been trying for a while to get something done about it.

The service to the Brisbane Airport uses Queensland Railways suburban trains. The cost of the travel from the City to the Airport is at a cost that actively discourages people from using it. It should be brought into the same fare structure and timetable as for the rest of metropolitan railway network. The Airport effectively lies in Zone 3. This equates to a normal return fare of $6 compared to the present $22 Airtrain return fare. It is a cost differential that results in empty trains, and because of that a decrease in train frequency, which in turn leads to fewer passengers. An irreversible slide.

If the State Government took back management from Airtrain City Link Ltd, or at least subsidised the fares to normal fare structure, the trains would be well patronised and be available for not only domestic and international passengers, but people employed in the airport precinct.
Road congestion, delays and costs would be minimised.

See --> http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=31.0 for more.

Proposal for community consultation
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 12, 2007 at 13:21:15)

Brisbane: Public transport community consultation

RAIL ? Back On Track (http://backontrack.org) a web based community organisation for the promotion of rail throughout Australia has suggested that South East Queensland needs a Government sponsored Public Transport Community Consultation Group to further progress sustainable solutions for best transport outcomes for the community.

Public transport in South East Queensland is an organisational nightmare. A number of different authorities are coordinated by Translink. Translink has a reputation of not responding to feedback, be it constructive or otherwise. The public perception is one of public transport being foisted on the community with minimal real opportunity for involvement in helping to form the best future directions.

The Brisbane City Council is conducting a Mass Transit Consultation forum (1) on its web site. There has been much constructive feedback on the forum, and the feedback and comments are also highlighting the confusion that exists in terms of who has responsibility for the various transport modes. Bus, ferry and train timetables should be informed by public feedback and properly integrated.

Queensland Rail has said that there will be a new major timetable released March 2008. RAIL Back On Track encourages Queensland Rail to actively seek feedback and suggestions to improve the timetable within the constraints of operational capabilities. The formation of a Public Transport Community Consultation Group with representatives of Brisbane City Council and other Councils, Queensland Rail, State Government, Community Groups with a Public Transport Focus, and Community Commuter Representatives would help to achieve outcomes that are better integrated, suited to real needs of commuters, and lessen the burden on the congested roads of South East Queensland. This group could act as a conduit for improvement.

Reference:

1. http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD:1704221090:pc=PC_2698

Communicate!
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 11, 2007 at 12:14:46)

On Monday afternoon Chris there was a broken rail on one of the lines, this caused the routing of the other lines through platform 5 at Central. Unexpected problems can do arise, it is was unfortunate that it followed the disruptions that morning with South Brisbane being closed for a while. At least services were maintained Monday afternoon/evening, but I agree that communciation to the passengers is abysmal at times. We have commented on this before and have written to the relevant organisations as well. See http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=136.0

Operational problems do arise but timely communication to stranded passengers is necessary to keep them from being upset and concerned. This applies to bus and ferry as well.

Darra to Springfield Railway
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 11, 2007 at 04:34:47)

Bruce, the railway line from Darra to Springfield is about to be built.
It is also proposed to extend the line from Springfield to Ipswich.
But I agree that before they built these modern day communities that the public transport be built prior to mass occupation. And it is vital that the railway line from Petri to Kippa-Ring be built too!!

The location of Richlands railway station on the Darra to Springfield line has been finalised.
Northern option on this map http://www.qr.com.au/SEQIP/Images/map_webpage_tcm24-16198.pdf

Also see

Ipswich to Springfield public transport corridor study.

--> http://www.pb.com.au/isptcs/

Extending the Darra to Springfield (when built) line to Ipswich via Augustine Heights, Ripley, Yamanto, Ipswich.

Queensland Transport invites comments on the draft EIS.


Corinda to Yeerongpilly
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 10, 2007 at 19:28:08)

For Helen posted on July 10, 2007 at 14:45:28

Helen, there used to be a regular rail shuttle service between Corinda and Yeerongpilly. Presently there are trains that leave Corinda at 7.30am, 8.37am. and 3.42 pm, (Mon to Fri) with two services from Yeerongpilly in the afternoon. There is a bus that runs between Corinda and Yeerongpilly route 104 (only Mon to Fri) If you pick up a Beenleigh line timetable it has the train and the 104 bus timetables as well.
Hope this helps.

General comments

It would be better if they had the train back running the regular shuttles, eg a rail motor like before. Also why not have a service from Ipswich to Goldcoast via Corinda and Tennyson. It would be a neat way from folks out on the Ipswich line to get to the coast, maybe one or two services each morning and back in the early evening, 7 days a week.

PA Hospital Busway
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 10, 2007 at 14:13:53)

click here!

SE Busway to connect to PA hospital fast tracked.

Where are the buses going to fit in the CBD?

Also the Robina to Varsity Lakes rail extension is going ahead to.
http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=152.0


Are we heard?
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 9, 2007 at 04:51:10)

One would hope that the feedback on this forum would not be disregarded.

Some posters feel that it might be. One of the reasons that community based organisations such the CAST (Community Action for Sustainable Transport http://sustainable-transport.blogspot.com/) and RAIL - Back On Track http://backontrack.org have been formed and are active in lobbying on behalf of citizens for improved public transport is the perceived lack of response to feedback and constructive suggestions.

Translink are very poor in responding to feedback. I have contacted them many times via their e-mail form and direct, it is rare one receives acknowledgement or a response. Responses from BCC, at least to RAIL Back On Track have been quite good.

Everyone is welcome to post on RAIL Back On Track or give private feedback to admin over there. We consider such feedback extremely valid and important and use it in framing our responses to Government.

It is only by having an active voice will we have improvement for the community. Years of letter writing has failed.

Bus patterns
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 8, 2007 at 18:36:20)

The present patterns are just resulting in folks being left standing kerbside as full buses pass on by.

Here is suggestion to ease congestion on the buses for peak times.
Also may help to stop folks being left behind.

Consider this for peak time patterns.

Route with arbitrary stops A -----> B -----> C------> D -----> E

Bus 1 Express A to C, picks up/stops as required C ---> E
Bus 2 Picks up/stops as required A -----> C Express C---> E
Bus 3 Picks up/stops as required A---> E
Bus 4 Express A -----> stop C ----- > E

Stop C could be a major bus interchange point/hub. Buses from all routes meet.
This is a simplification but running to these patterns would allow quick passage and still allow for all passenger requirements for pick up and stops.

This basic plan can modified for rail as well.

Cancelled trains.

(Posted by Robert Dow on July 7, 2007 at 20:59:25)


You raise some very significant issues Yuka.
Brisbane City Council don't have control over the Citytrain services as such, but are no doubt interested when there are problems as you describe.
RAIL Back On Track has written to the Minister of Transport and Main Roads seeking some solution to the cancellation of services.
See http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=149.0

These snap cancellations are a major disincentive for commuters. Be they bus, train or ferry.

TUZ
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 7, 2007 at 15:42:34)

I think that it is a great term James .. TUZ! (train upgrade zone)
We (RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org) have been suggesting for some time that increased frequency of services is one of the most important factors in getting folks to use public transport, be it ferry, bus or train.

More train cancellations on Friday (second Friday in a row) too, bus cancellations occur at short or no notice too. With a high frequency of service these cancellations don't have the negative impact that they are having at the moment.

Aerial Light Rail
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 6, 2007 at 12:30:05)

Yes I think aerial light rail is a very practical solution for the CBD and near suburbs JJ.

I was in KL a few years ago and had a look at that.

Walking down from Roma St today I thought there simply has to be a better way than the one way loops and congestion that is now Brisbane proper.

Trams - Rear Vision
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 6, 2007 at 10:28:58)

Wholeheartedly agree Mick!

Last year the ABC Radio National as part of their show Rear Vision ran a two part series on Trams. A retrospective look:

Part two Trams Australia --> http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2006/1755249.htm

Part one Trams Los Angeles --> http://www.abc.net.au/rn/rearvision/stories/2006/1749886.htm

Transcripts are available from those links. Very interesting material.

Clem Jones has said that he regrets very much getting rid of Brisbane's trams.

Perth - Light rail, sound familiar?
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 5, 2007 at 20:24:27)

A timely news report at ABC Perth.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/05/1970392.htm

"Trams could be re-introduced to Perth to reduce traffic congestion.
The State Government is giving serious consideration to bringing them back, 50 years after tram tracks around the city were ripped up."

and another short extract from the news article:

"Murdoch University's Professor of City Policy, Peter Newman, believes Perth will eventually be left with no choice but to build a light rail system.
"Absolutely essential, if we don't go down this track the road systems will congest very rapidly and we'll be constantly at risk of having to pay more and more for petrol, producing more and more greenhouse gases, having problems with air quality," he said.

It is not too late for Brisbane either.

Suggestions
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 5, 2007 at 19:47:35)

I think your suggestions for the buses are great Tracey-Lee. If more folks gave BCC and Translink feedback on these issues we might get results and more commuter friendly timetabling. It is the people who are actually using the services that can give very valuable informed feedback on timetable deficiencies.

I travel on the Ipswich line daily and often on weekends. I also travel on the other lines and bus routes from time to time. Here is another suggestion I have put forward.

Presently during the week days there is a fifteen minute frequency of service of trains from Corinda to the City. It would be within the present crew and train service capacities that instead of terminating the trains at Corinda these could be terminated at Darra. This is only two stations past Corinda. This would then give a fifteen minute frequency from both Oxley and Darra. Both these stations have high passenger loadings, and by feeding buses into these stations it would enable commuters' fast and safe access to the City and beyond. The unused platform at Darra needs to be reopened as well.


Motivation for change of commuting behaviour
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 5, 2007 at 19:30:38)

A number of posts have mentioned that it is important to get folks to change from their single occupant vehicles to public transport. Our bus drivers, ferry and catamaran crews, and rail crews and their various support staff generally do a great job, often with limited resources IMHO. Given that public transport resources are progressively improved it is worthwhile to educate residents on the benefits of using public transport at a personal and community level.

At RAIL Back On Track a post was made that really highlights well the personal benefits. These benefits are often not appreciated. Support for people who wish to use public transport, perhaps for the first time in a regular fashion is also needed, a point well made by the poster. Have a look here --> http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=141.0
For those interested in public transport the writer of that post makes some great points.


Integrating buses with trains.
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 5, 2007 at 13:16:45)

An important point raised often here and elsewhere is integrating buses with trains at key transfer points. Trains need to run on fixed schedules or timetables, and in general they are quite good at maintaining timetables in the Brisbane area. Buses tend to not run to timetable because of the extreme variation in road and traffic and load conditions.

The aim should be provide connections that work. This won't always be possible for the reasons alluded to above, BUT if the train fequency is such eg. 5 minutes or less at peak and 15 minutes off peak it is not the serious issue it can be for some today when buses and trains don't connect.
Busways help buses maintain timetables, but the problem with overloading and commuters being left behind must be overcome. The approach used so far has been to throw more buses at the problem, and try to build some busways, but there will be a point where no more buses will fit on the roads and busways and in the CBD. This is where for high density routes in the city areas particularly, light rail can excel. A 3 car light rail unit can carry 600 or 700 passengers. A 6 car suburban train can transport up to 1000 or more in some comfort for longer journies. Buses will always be one of the important mass transist modes in Brisbane, but increasingly light and heavy rail will be the bulk people transport mode.

Zone rationalisation
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 5, 2007 at 12:44:02)

The present TransLink ticketing in South East Queensland has 23 zones! This is unnecessarily complicated and makes for expensive travel from outer suburban areas where young families are often located. In the State of Victoria Melbourne and suburbs for example has 2 zones.

Consideration needs to be given to converting the 23 zones into 5 or 6. A sensible outcome would be 5 zones only. For example the new zone 1 would encompass the present zones 1 to 4. New zone 2 encompass the present zones 5 to 8. And so forth. By keeping the fares the same as for the present 5 zones, there will be a reduction in the cost of commuting for many. Again a great incentive for residents to get out of their motor cars!

This would be a great incentive for residents in outer suburban areas to take public transport all the way to work. Many drive part of the way as the outer zone fares are too expensive for many. This causes considerable parking problems at intermediate bus and train stations. The benefits in terms of less traffic congestion, less environmental damage will far outweigh any loss of revenue.

Brunswick St Station Upgrade is happening
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 5, 2007 at 09:45:47)

Brunswick St Station is about to undergo a complete upgrade.
There will be some platform closures during the construction period, but the station will be kept operational. Details here --> http://www.citytrain.com.au/brunswickstreet/

Also see --> http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=145.0

As no no has suggested, a much needed upgraded. Well done all on proceeding with the upgrade. It is a complex project.


History lesson
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 4, 2007 at 20:40:25)

Last October (2006) the Riverside express way was closed at short notice due to bridge 'cracks'. The closure of one major road route caused traffic chaos in Brisbane if you recall. This highlighted the fragility of the present traffic and public transport bus systems. The bus, river and railway transport systems in Brisbane were operating at maximum capacity. There was no reserve. Many buses were caught up in the road traffic gridlock. Rail continued to provide safe, rapid mass transport during this crisis. There is a lesson for us all in these observations.

Hybrid buses
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 4, 2007 at 12:05:10)

Buses do have an important role to play in mass transist solutions. Particularly in moving folks to major bus and rail hubs/stations. The way Brisbane PT has evolved it has become very bus centric. To the point that Roma St Station platform 1 is soon to be a bus platform. I understand that the INB might be upgradable to Light Railway eventually, that would be good thing.

Buses will continue to be needed. One of the States down south is starting to trial hybrid buses, I think they would be very useful for Brisbane too. Low polution and much more fuel efficient. Gas/electric hybrid buses are a good idea. I own a hybrid car (honda) it is very efficient and low emission, and I use public transport most of the time. Hybrid vehicles are a little bit more expensive initially but fuel and environmental savings soon recoup that.


Fares - Part two

(Posted by Robert Dow on July 4, 2007 at 11:46:04)

Also, what happens when people fail to 'touch off', or the system fails, will they be debited with a high zone fare? Presently there is a $15 penalty for pilot program participants who fail to touch off. Can you imagine children and others who regularly forget to touch off? The costs will be very high. Consider this. A commuter, lets say a zones 1-3 commuter, tops up their smart card on Monday morning with say $30, enough to cover their anticipated travel for that week. They manage to negotiate the touch on and touch off queues Monday to Wednesday. Thursday night they work late, on arrival at their home station the touch off is not working, or perhaps they forget to touch off. Bang, their smart card is debited with a penalty when they touch back on Friday morning. But now their card is in debit, and they are unable to touch on. Our hapless commuter has no money, what next? Will they walk to work? I think weekly, 10 trip savers and other periodical tickets must be maintained indefinetly to attract and retain commuters on public transport. I think PT fares should be halved immediately.


Fares - Part one

(Posted by Robert Dow on July 4, 2007 at 11:45:46)

Agree Cliff. The fares and fare structure for Brisbane is silly. See earlier comment about zone rationalisation.
The Smart cards soon to be introduced for the Brisbane Translink system promise convenience, but are not without issues. Many commuters use weekly, ten trip savers and other periodical tickets as they help to make commuting at least a little more affordable, and give some flexibility for weekend travel. These tickets are a major incentive for people to use public transport. It would appear that when the smart cards are rolled out the present paper tickets will only be avilable for a period to be determined. The intention being to move all to smart cards. The TransLink smart card is not able to handle weekly ticketing apparently. Weekly ticketing is a lot more affordable for many commuters as a weekly tickets costs the equivalent of 4 daily tickets. For that, a commuter can take unrestricted travel for their zones for seven days. Do that on a smart card and it will cost an extra three days of daily tickets, a 75% increase in cost.
Recent advice suggests that some type of frequent traveller discount might be available when smart card rolled out. The smart card pilot program presently underway has participants given a 30% discount perhaps, in recognition of some of these cost impacts.


Light Rail
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 3, 2007 at 13:23:30)

Light rail is a serious option for Brisbane. Many folks here have commented on it too.

Have a look here --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail

Many many examples of how light rail is utilised around the world.
Coupled with heavy rail, it is the sustainable solution for mass transit.

Yes indeed Jon!
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 3, 2007 at 11:01:09)

Jon Bryant gave some excellent possible locations for heavy rail links.

I support those as well. My initial comments related more to the Brisbane CC area. But it is essential that the entire SEQ corner be properly integrated.

One line not mentioned is Petri to Kippa RIng - essential.

Check out RAIL Back On Track http://backontrack.org as well. Simon made an excellent point about the fares. 23 zones on Translink is madness. Melbourne Victoria recently went from 3 zones to two! Zone rationalisation would be a real Smart State/Smart City move! See --> http://backontrack.org/mbs/index.php?topic=90.0

Also bring back family tickets on weekends. This encourages and familiarises folks with public transport and keeps affordable family outings on the weekends.

Free travel for Senior Citizens on Translink services on Sundays!! This is done in Victoria as is very popular. All adds to the community spirit.

Suggestions Part 4
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 2, 2007 at 20:36:53)

7. The standard gauge line could be utilised for commuter transport. Either dual gauge or lay another 3'6" line. This would allow rapid rail from say Bromelton.

More at RAIL Back On Track (http://backontrack.org)

Well done BCC on having this forum!

Best wishes
Robert Dow

Suggestions Part 3
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 2, 2007 at 20:31:15)

5. An underground railway, extension for the present QR network is needed. A loop from Central --- Eagle Street, Botanical Gardens, Roma St. A branch from that could pass through (underneath) Wooloongabba and rejoin the Beenleigh Line.

6. Consideration needs to given for supporting people who wish to change commuting behaviours. For someone who does not regularly catch buses or trains, it can be initially difficult. Education, support and encouragement.

Suggestions Part 2
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 2, 2007 at 20:30:35)

4. The railway line to the Airport is underutilised. The service to the Brisbane Airport uses Queensland Railways suburban trains. The cost of the travel from the City to the Airport is at a cost that actively discourages people from using it. It should be brought into the same fare structure as for the rest of metropolitan railway network. The Airport effectively lies in Zone 3. This equates to a normal return fare of $6 compared to the present $22 Airtrain return fare. It is a cost differential that results in empty trains, and because of that a decrease in train frequency, which in turn leads to fewer passengers. An irreversible slide. Trains to the Airport should run as for the rest of Translink system.

If the State Government took back management from Airtrain City Link Ltd (? BCC), or at least subsidised the fares to normal fare structure, the trains would be well patronised and be available for not only domestic and international passengers, but people employed in the airport precinct.
Road congestion, delays and costs would be minimised.

Suggestions Part 1
(Posted by Robert Dow on July 2, 2007 at 20:29:39)

I will post in three parts.

1. Heavy rail is the bulk people mover. As you move further out of the inner city it is important to have local transport to railway stations. Parking at railway and bus stations is a major issue. An issue for those residents near stations and businesses. The City Loop bus is a good model, as is the Personalised Public Transport (PPT) project.

2. Light rail be seriously considered for some inner city routes. For example West End - City - New Farm. Another possible location would be from Indooroopilly to Kenmore or thereabouts. Light rail can carry 25,000 passengers per hour in the space of a two lane road, this would require the equivalent of a 16 lane road for normal vehicles to reach this capacity! Light rail is best kept separate from road traffic. Aerial light rail is an option for certain areas of Brisbane.

3. At peak times it will be difficult to cram more buses into the City precinct. The INB will help. Rather than running buses in competition with rail use the buses to feed high frequency services. Areas the don't have rail run into the city. The frequency on all rail lines in Brisbane should be 15 minutes from 6am to 8pm, with 5 minutes or less at both peaks.
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The Mass Transist Consultation forum is now closed, but still accessible  --> http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD::pc=PC_2698

An outstanding response from citizens, with many great comments and suggestions. Certainly a lot of material for the planners to digest and consider.

Well done Brisbane!

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From ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/28/1990800.htm

Brisbane comments on tram plans

More than 500 submissions on a proposed mass transit system for Brisbane have been submitted to the city council.

The council has appointed a task force to look into developing the network, which might involve light rail, including trams.

Public comment has now closed and Councillor David McLachlan says there has been a strong response.

"I was very pleased with the response that we received from the public to our request for submissions to be made," he said.

"There are a lot of good ideas of what a mass transit system might look like, not necessarily all related just to light rail options."

The Queensland Government has also flagged the idea of a mass transit system as part of a recent plan for inner-Brisbane.

The report is due to be handed down late next month.
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QuoteDraft Transport Plan - discussion forum feedback

Between 21 September 2007 and 21 March 2008, 69 residents took part in an online discussion about Brisbane's Draft Transport Plan.  Over 250 comments were received about current transport issues and ideas for the future.

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