Moreton Bay Region

[ozbob]

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review-2013/moreton-bay

Moreton Bay Region

Get to know your new bus network - visit an information session

Come and visit us at any of the following information sessions to learn more about how your bus network is changing.

Venue                 Date                  Time

Caboolture station    Tuesday 5 November    6am-9am
Bribie Island Shopping Centre    Tuesday 5 November    11am-2pm
Morayfield Shopping Centre    Wednesday 6 November    9am-5.30pm
Petrie station    Thursday 7 November    6am-9am
Narangba Valley Shopping Centre    Thursday 7 November    11am–2pm
North Lakes Shopping Centre    Friday 8 November, Saturday 9 November    9am-5.30pm/9am-5pm
Deception Bay Shopping Centre    Monday 11 November    11am–2pm
Peninsula Fair Shopping Centre    Wednesday 13 November    9am-6pm
Strathpine Shopping Centre    Friday 15 November, Saturday 16 November    9am-5.30pm/9am-5pm

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Individual route changes

View maps of your new bus service.

A new timetable will also be introduced on the Shorncliffe line from Monday 20 January 2014.

Check on your route number below for more detailed information about the upcoming changes:

Route    Description    Changes

315    Redcliffe to City    This service will change to a pre-paid service and passengers will need to have a valid paper ticket or go card to travel.
This will speed up boarding times and improve service reliability. This service will now stop at Barry Parade stop 230 in Fortitude Valley on its way to Brisbane City.
640    Bribie Island to Caboolture    Route 640 will offer additional morning and evening commuter peak services to/from Caboolture train station to improve seating capacity. This service will also be extended to service North Woorim residents.
641    Banksia Beach to Woorim    This route will no longer service Goodwin Drive and First Avenue to Woorim. Passengers for these areas will be able to use route 640. Jasmin Drive, Protea Drive and the Cotterill Avenue loop section will now be serviced by this route following changes to route 642. Hours of operation will be reduced on the weekend due to low demand. There will also be minor timetable changes to improve connections to route 640 at the Bribie Island park 'n' ride.
642    Bongaree to Bellara    This route no longer services parts of Jasmin Drive, Protea Drive and the Cotterill Avenue loop section. Passengers for these areas will be able to use route 641. Hours of operation will be reduced on the weekend due to low demand. There will also be minor timetable changes to improve connections to route 640 at the Bribie Island park 'n' ride.
643    Bribie Island to Caboolture    On this route, two morning trips (6.15am and 6.45am) will be combined into one service to depart at 6.30am to better match customer demand.
644    Sandstone Point to Bongaree    This route will no longer service the Bribie RSL; however, passengers for the Bribie RSL will be able to use route 642 depending on where they travel from. Passengers can also connect to alternative services at the Bribie Island park 'n' ride.
Hours of operation will be reduced on the weekend due to low demand.
649    Nambour to Caboolture    No change. This route supplements the Queensland Rail timetable with services between Caboolture and Nambour.
651    Caboolture North West to Caboolture station    Route 651 will offer improved frequency (half hourly) with additional trips. This route will also provide improved connections to local train services at Caboolture and Morayfield stations and will be extended to service Market Drive residents.
652    Caboolture to Beachmere    Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low demand. Resources will be redirected across the network to better match customer demand.
653    Caboolture to Morayfield via Bellmere    Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low demand. Resources will be redirected across the network to better match customer demand.
654    Morayfield to Caboolture via Bellmere    Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low demand. Resources will be redirected across the network to better match customer demand.
655    Caboolture to Caboolture Hospital/TAFE/University    Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low demand. Resources will be redirected across the network to better match customer demand.
656    Upper Caboolture to Morayfield station    Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low demand. Resources will be redirected across the network to better match customer demand.
657    Caboolture North Local    Route 657 is a new service for the network. This route will service developing residential areas in Caboolture North and will operate between 9am and 3pm weekdays.
This service will travel from Caboolture station along Beerburrum Road and Pumicestone Road into the new residential areas of Caboolture North before returning via Jenson Road.
660    Caboolture to Redcliffe    No change.
661    North Lakes to Deception Bay    Route 661 is being removed due to low demand. Customers can catch route 660 from Deception Bay with a transfer to route 680 on Anzac Avenue to get to Westfield North Lakes Shopping Centre.
663    Narangba local service    This service will offer consistent stopping patterns with a guaranteed full service ('on request' services will be removed). It will also offer more reliable connections to train services at Narangba station.
664    Burpengary local service    This service will offer consistent stopping patterns with a guaranteed full service ('on request' services will be removed).
665    Deception Bay local service    This service will offer consistent stopping patterns with a guaranteed full service ('on request' services will be removed).
667    Morayfield local service    This service will offer consistent stopping patterns with a guaranteed full service ('on request' services will be removed).
668    Deception Bay to Narangba    This service will offer consistent stopping patterns with a guaranteed full service ('on request' services will be removed). It will also offer more reliable connections to train services at Narangba station.
669    Lawnton to Westfield Strathpine    This trial service will become permanent. Additional weekday morning and evening trips will offer improved connections to train services at Lawnton station. This route will also be modified to service Bray Park. It will no longer service the Spence Street, Tulip Street or Slater Avenue area of Lawnton. Residents in this area will be able to use route 674 as an alternative.
670    Warner to Westfield Strathpine    Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low demand. Resources will be redirected across the network to better match customer demand.
671    Warner to Westfield Strathpine    Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low demand. Resources will be redirected across the network to better match customer demand.
672    Warner Lakes to Westfield Strathpine    Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low demand. Resources will be redirected across the network to better match customer demand.
673    Warner, Bray Park, Lawnton, Joyner    Route 673 will no longer service Samsonvale Road. This service has been modified along Francis Road to provide more direct services to key activity centres between Lawnton and Strathpine. Customers on Samsonvale Road can use route 670 and 672 to reach their destination. Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low demand. Resources will be redirected across the network to better match customer demand.
674    Lawnton to Westfield Strathpine    TThis route will no longer service Paisley Drive. It will provide a more direct connection to Lawnton station from Strathpine and Warner. Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low patronage. Resources will be redirected across the network to better match customer demand.
675    Petrie to Murrumba Downs loop    No change.
676    Petrie station to Murrumba Downs    Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low patronage. Resources will be redirected across the network to better match customer demand.
677    Griffin Heights to Petrie station    Morning and afternoon peak services will be removed due to low patronage.
678    Warner to Petrie    This route will be removed due to low patronage. Customers can use other services from Warner Village to connect to local train services.
679    Griffin Heights to North Lakes    This service will be extended to Murrumba Downs, providing a direct connection to North Lakes. It will also service health care facilities at Murrumba Downs and North Lakes.
680    Redcliffe to Chermside    This route will now start and finish at Redcliffe Jetty, reducing route duplication on the network. Residents in the north Scarborough area will also have access to the modified 698/699 service.
681    Mango Hill to North Lakes    Route 681 will no longer commence from North Lakes station. As an alternative, North Lakes residents travelling to Petrie station will be able to use route 680 and Mango Hill residents travelling to North Lakes will be able to use the 682.
This route will offer more reliable morning and afternoon weekday services to and from Petrie station for Mango Hill and Freshwater Estate residents.
682    Mango Hill to Petrie station via North Lakes    Route 682 no longer services Petrie station. Passengers can use modified route 681 depending on where they travel from.
Frequency of this service will also be reduced from half hourly to hourly due to low patronage. Changes to route 682 will better service Freshwater Estate and old Mango Hill areas to North Lakes.
683    Kallangur to Petrie    This route will no longer service Ann Street and Sheehan Street. Passengers can use modified routes 684 and 685 in these areas. The revised route 683 will provide a more reliable connection with Petrie station. Passengers who currently use route 683/684 will also be able to use modified route 683.
684    North Lakes to Kallangur    This route will now service the area east of Old Gympie Road. It will provide better connectivity with all day direct services to North Lakes.
685    Petrie to Kallangur    This route will now service the area west of Old Gympie Road. It will provide better connectivity with all day direct services to Petrie station.
686    Kallangur to Petrie station    Route 686 will offer new morning and afternoon weekday commuter services to Petrie station from the Frenchs Forest area. During the rest of the day, this route will have a greater urban coverage while still maintaining the connection to Petrie station. The early morning (5.30am) trip will be removed due to low patronage. Existing 686 passengers in the Kallangur area will be able to use modified routes 683, 684 and 685 as an alternative.
687    North Lakes to Petrie    This route will benefit from additional weekday services. This service will also offer improved capacity and options for PM peak travellers with the addition of one weekday PM peak service from Petrie station at 4.25pm. It will also provide improved connections with train services at Petrie station for North Lakes commuters.
688    North Lakes clockwise loop    This route will be extended from Bounty Boulevard to Aurora Boulevard and will service the North Lakes Medical Centre. It will also offer better clockwise connections to other bus services.
TransLink website during the initial stages of the SEQ Network Review. The original advice was that TransLink would remove services from North Lakes Tavern.
689    North Lakes anti-clockwise loop    This route will be extended from Bounty Boulevard to Aurora Boulevard and will service the North Lakes Medical Centre. It will also offer better anti-clock wise connections to other bus services.
Note: this is a different outcome to that described on the TransLink website during the initial stages of the SEQ Network Review. The original advice was that TransLink would remove services from North Lakes Tavern.
690    Redcliffe to Sandgate    This route will offer more reliable and consistent train connections for passengers at Sandgate train station. It will also offer better frequency of services on weekdays. Route 690 will no longer service Sunnyside Road, Jeays Street, Seaville Avenue, North Quay, Oyster Point Esplanade, Endeavour Esplanade, Newport Drive and Griffith Road. Route will be realigned to Scarborough Road. It will be realigned to Scarborough Road. Passengers in these areas will be able to access routes 698 and 699.
693    Redcliffe Jetty to Kippa Ring    No change.
694    Kippa Ring to Redcliffe Jetty    No change.
695    Rothwell to Sandgate    This route will have minor timetable changes to provide reliable and more consistent connections to train services at Sandgate station.
696    Redcliffe Peninsula clockwise loop    No change.
697    Redcliffe Peninsula anti-clock wise loop    No change.
698    Kippa-Ring to Redcliffe (via Scarborough)    Route 699 is a new service for residents of Newport travelling from Redcliffe providing access to the wider network.
Residents in north Scarborough will have access to the modified 698/699 providing connection between Redcliffe Jetty and Kippa-Ring.

[Old Northern Road]

Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low demand

How can they reduce the hours of operation for routes which already stop running at 6pm? For people finishing work in the CBD at 5pm it's already nearly impossible to make it to Petrie before the last bus leaves. If they cut the services back to 5pm or 4pm then they obviously will have no chance.

I didn't think it was possible but they've actually made the bus network in Moreton Bay even worse.

[James]

Hours of operation on this route will be reduced during the week and over weekends due to low demand

How can they reduce the hours of operation for routes which already stop running at 6pm? For people finishing work in the CBD at 5pm it's already nearly impossible to make it to Petrie before the last bus leaves. If they cut the services back to 5pm or 4pm then they obviously will have no chance.

I didn't think it was possible but they've actually made the bus network in Moreton Bay even worse.

I think this is very much a case of TransLink failing to provide adequate rail feeders to commuters, and failure justifying failure (i.e. people aren't using the feeders because they are inadequate, so we should cut them even more). Similar thing can be seen on the Gold Coast, and is once again why before taking the bus review to users, there needed to be a span of hours (along with frequencies) for every route.

The issue is so easily solved too. Remove some daytime services and replace them with AM/PM peak services. Not that difficult, and a 6:30pm service will generate far more pax than a 1:30pm service. I would rate the importance of peak feeder services as being far more important than daytime services, especially between 12:00pm and 3:00pm (grandma has done her shopping and schools are not out, so the only demands which exist are school kids on holidays and granny going to mahjong, the latter of which is only an issue for 12 weeks of the year).

[ozbob]

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review-2013/moreton-bay/maps

Moreton Bay Region maps

The route information provided is intended to be used as a guide only and is subject to change.

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^ Maps have not actually been activated yet, although there is broad detail on frequency and spans ...

[STB]

http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review-2013/moreton-bay/maps

Moreton Bay Region maps

The route information provided is intended to be used as a guide only and is subject to change.

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^ Maps have not actually been activated yet, although there is broad detail on frequency and spans ...

That's weird, I swear it was working last week.

Also, annoyed at the broad details on frequency and span of service, it doesn't tell you really anything if you think about it.  If you have the first and last service info available, you might as well just release the timetables.  QR and TL haven't had a problem releasing the train timetables well ahead of time (+3 months), but for some reason, TL want to hold off on releasing the bus timetables until about a month beforehand, if not just before the start date.

[STB]

Heads up, the information booklet for the Moreton Bay Region changes has now been uploaded, split into two parts, the introduction and the routes.

http://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/resources/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review-2013/moreton-bay-network-review-booklet-introduction.pdf

http://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/resources/travel-information/service-updates/seq-bus-network-review-2013/moreton-bay-network-review-booklet-your-network.pdf

[SurfRail]

You know most of these changes really aren't that bad.

Lack of weekend services is the real killer, but span of hours is reasonable for what it is.

No routes ending at 3pm anyway.  Interestingly that is where the Thompsons network was around 5 years ago.

[ozbob]

Twitter

Adrian Cutts ‏@LYBASkw

@Robert_Dow I have a major comparison: Compare the 679 recommendations: http://translink.com.au/travel-information/service-notices/seq-bus-network-review-2013/moreton-bay/maps ... with the new timetable http://translink.com.au/sites/default/files/assets/timetables/140120-675,676,677,679.pdf ...

[cartoonbirdhaus]

Lack of weekend services is the real killer, but span of hours is reasonable for what it is.

Not really: Comparable bus services in Adelaide run full-time.

Exhibit A—Route 400
https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/var/metro/storage/original/application/f1d8c201f4f2ae797254f3ef92938202.pdf

Exhibit B—Route 401
https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/var/metro/storage/original/application/1b12bdab27cd33066e3bf6e5f1bed2e5.pdf

[ozbob]

Twitter

Adrian Cutts ‏@LYBASkw 12h

@Robert_Dow Audiobook version of MBRC review: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLajsKNjF3WWnWrOkn1NoSLVlmiAP9naEs ...

[Old Northern Road]

Those hours of operation are very misleading. The time they are using is the time the last service reaches its terminus. For example they claim that the hours of operation for the 680 are 5.05am-10.28pm when in reality the last northbound service departs at 9.15pm and the last southbound service departs at 7.26pm.

The 690 (the only bus route in Moreton Bay which has longer operating hours than the 680) has had its night time services cut back. The hourly frequency will now end at 8.29pm (they currently end at 10.02pm).

[Old Northern Road]

You know most of these changes really aren't that bad.

Lack of weekend services is the real killer, but span of hours is reasonable for what it is.

No routes ending at 3pm anyway.  Interestingly that is where the Thompsons network was around 5 years ago.

The 669 stops running at 3.46pm although it currently stops running at 1.30pm so I guess that is a bit of an improvement.

[Gazza]

Ugh, some people just like to whinge.

So @TransLinkSEQ is so broke they have to keep increasing fares, but can afford to produce a 94-page advertising book pic.twitter.com/Q8TJ1Z5dGx

— Jacqui (@jaxt42) January 7, 2014

[minbrisbane]

Probably didn't even read it, they called it advertising. 

[longboi]

Probably didn't even read it, they called it advertising.

On 20 Jan, they will say "derr, no one told me my bus route isn't going to x anymore"

[Huggies]

Ugh, some people just like to whinge.

Just so you know my partner didn't appreciate you reposting her tweet on this forum without her permission. You also don't show her explanation on why she feels the way she feels. The reduction of quality of service and the above CPI increases then she has every reason to not be impressed with the waste of money.

On 20 Jan, they will say "derr, no one told me my bus route isn't going to x anymore"

Plenty of signage at the station and bus stop regarding changes to the network. No need to give a guide to every house in the suburb. The likely hood of those who don't use public transport to start using public transport is very low if non existent.

[longboi]

On 20 Jan, they will say "derr, no one told me my bus route isn't going to x anymore"

Plenty of signage at the station and bus stop regarding changes to the network. No need to give a guide to every house in the suburb. The likely hood of those who don't use public transport to start using public transport is very low if non existent.

Past experience and feedback through past campaigns has shown that signage alone is not entirely effective on its own. You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.

Fact is, the cost to print a few booklets is a drop in the ocean compared to infrastructure or contract spend.